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January 27, 2018, 04:57:10 PM
Merited by vapourminer (2), aleksej996 (1)
 #1561


Your posts aren't terrible and your name made me giggle. So have 2 merits. Those will stay on your account but you also now have 1 sMerit that you can say thank you to someone with..

Go be part of the community fella

This is cute and disgusting at the same time. Hop hop, lil' fella, off you go. Such generosity...
I like the way your handling things Cheesy +1

if we have sMerits we have a responsibility to reward people. I am from southern UK so my slang could be taken in a way it isn't meant..

you can have a couple of merits as well bud as you made me laugh as well

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January 27, 2018, 05:33:59 PM
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Hi, I am a recent member of the forum so don´t expect very intelligent questions. I just read about the merit system but, as I understand it, if I make a question in the forum and someone gives a good answer I can´t do anything to reward him or her. I would have to wait for another member that has merit to give away and notice that I have been helped.



I remember back in the good ole days on this forum - like less than a week ago - where a simple thank you would've suffice. Today it's "You haz no sM, bitch, thus not addressing your concern!"

Speakin' of gifting sM, does anybody know Tai's user name on this forum? Check out his talk ...

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January 27, 2018, 05:43:30 PM
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I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

And what about the Legendary gap?

Your boost to them means people who had almost 2,000 less activity than me are now equal in merits.  

I feel your pain man. I would give you merit for this, but I am merit poor myself. Need those merits to rank up to Sr. Member and stuff.
So I am just going to say
+1
You deserve more merits

You don't understand the system fella. Merits never reduce sMerits do and those are what you need to pay forward, that is how the system works. Hoarding sMerits does nothing

Ohh, I get it. Thanks man!

EDIT: Just saw I got 5 sMerits :/ Wow
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January 27, 2018, 05:48:00 PM
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I remember back in the good ole days on this forum - like less than a week ago - where a simple thank you would've suffice.

I don't know. But my simple 'thank you' got removed because it was considered as spam. I guess it just had to become complex, unfriendly and abusive.  Roll Eyes
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January 27, 2018, 05:49:11 PM
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EDIT: Just saw I got 5 sMerits :/ Wow

Holy cow!  Cheesy
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January 27, 2018, 06:00:59 PM
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How can I get metrix from others  Huh

You can't, if you don't even know what their function is, or even what their name is.  Roll Eyes
Read the OP properly before posting anything.
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January 27, 2018, 06:16:00 PM
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I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

And what about the Legendary gap?

Your boost to them means people who had almost 2,000 less activity than me are now equal in merits.  

I feel your pain man. I would give you merit for this, but I am merit poor myself. Need those merits to rank up to Sr. Member and stuff.
So I am just going to say
+1
You deserve more merits

You don't understand the system fella. Merits never reduce sMerits do and those are what you need to pay forward, that is how the system works. Hoarding sMerits does nothing

Ohh, I get it. Thanks man!

EDIT: Just saw I got 5 sMerits :/ Wow

Actually being a full member you instantly get 100merit and 5-10 sMerit which you can give to others.

I remember back in the good ole days on this forum - like less than a week ago - where a simple thank you would've suffice.

I don't know. But my simple 'thank you' got removed because it was considered as spam. I guess it just had to become complex, unfriendly and abusive.  Roll Eyes

Yup. mostly thank you is considered spam to increase one's activity, if youre thankful enough express it with one sentence tho to be safe.

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January 27, 2018, 06:32:26 PM
Merited by TMAN (10)
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if we have sMerits we have a responsibility to reward people.


exactly this. the sooner the people who got an initial large stack of sMerit (just from our ranking when this was implemented) start spreading it around, the more sMerit those who received it can start sending sMerit of their own. we need to spread this initial pool of sMerits out so more members than just high ranking members with sMerit to burn are doing it.

as of right now the bulk of people who can freely send sMerit without worrying about running dry right away (and thus not being able to +merit a worthy post at that point) are high ranking members so it seems top heavy. once these sMerits are spread around more i think posts that may otherwise be overlooked by high ranking members (because they may not have enough interest in some areas of the forums [beginners and help, say], or a thread just doesnt attract their interest because the topic is old news to the btc vetrans) will be merited by the regular "rank and file" members as the pool of people with spendable sMerits expands.


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January 27, 2018, 06:36:46 PM
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if we have sMerits we have a responsibility to reward people.


exactly this. the sooner the people who got an initial large stack of sMerit (just from our ranking when this was implemented) start spreading it around, the more sMerit those who received it can start sending sMerit of their own. we need to spread this initial pool of sMerits out so more members than just high ranking members with sMerit to burn are doing it.

as of right now the bulk of people who can freely send sMerit without worrying about running dry right away (and thus not being able to +merit a worthy post at that point) are high ranking members so it seems top heavy. once these sMerits are spread around more i think posts that may otherwise be overlooked by high ranking members (because they may not have enough interest in some areas of the forums [beginners and help, say], or a thread just doesnt attract their interest because the topic is old news to the btc vetrans) will be merited by the regular "rank and file" members as the pool of people with spendable sMerits expands.




You got it bud. I gave you merit as I appreciate the post and I know you will pay it forwards..


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January 27, 2018, 06:41:25 PM
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I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

So I missed 500 Merrit by not doing 15 more posts...

FeelsBadMan

I still think a progressional distribution would have been the way to go.
Would have been better for higher Legendary accounts as well.


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January 27, 2018, 06:47:28 PM
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if we have sMerits we have a responsibility to reward people.


exactly this. the sooner the people who got an initial large stack of sMerit (just from our ranking when this was implemented) start spreading it around, the more sMerit those who received it can start sending sMerit of their own. we need to spread this initial pool of sMerits out so more members than just high ranking members with sMerit to burn are doing it.

as of right now the bulk of people who can freely send sMerit without worrying about running dry right away (and thus not being able to +merit a worthy post at that point) are high ranking members so it seems top heavy. once these sMerits are spread around more i think posts that may otherwise be overlooked by high ranking members (because they may not have enough interest in some areas of the forums [beginners and help, say], or a thread just doesnt attract their interest because the topic is old news to the btc vetrans) will be merited by the regular "rank and file" members as the pool of people with spendable sMerits expands.

sMerit is really a thing that we can share to those who are deserving, and also we must not forget that Every 1Merit we received from others is equivalent to 0.5sMerit that can be share to others so basically if you got merit many times by others like 10 merits you'll have extra 5 sMerit which you can give to those who deserved it. With that i can say the this merit system will be continuous and wont end up drying sMerit.

I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

So I missed 500 Merrit by not doing 15 more posts...

FeelsBadMan

I still think a progressional distribution would have been the way to go.
Would have been better for higher Legendary accounts as well.

you're not the only one dude, by jan 30 ill rank up from full member to sr.member really feels bad right? But i didnt take it to big because i can see that this merit system will elimate those who abuse bounty by farming account and doing shit post
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January 27, 2018, 06:50:58 PM
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if we have sMerits we have a responsibility to reward people.


exactly this. the sooner the people who got an initial large stack of sMerit (just from our ranking when this was implemented) start spreading it around, the more sMerit those who received it can start sending sMerit of their own. we need to spread this initial pool of sMerits out so more members than just high ranking members with sMerit to burn are doing it.

as of right now the bulk of people who can freely send sMerit without worrying about running dry right away (and thus not being able to +merit a worthy post at that point) are high ranking members so it seems top heavy. once these sMerits are spread around more i think posts that may otherwise be overlooked by high ranking members (because they may not have enough interest in some areas of the forums [beginners and help, say], or a thread just doesnt attract their interest because the topic is old news to the btc vetrans) will be merited by the regular "rank and file" members as the pool of people with spendable sMerits expands.




If this would be the way people actually behave, then this system might work, might. Here is another example (and I saw many more):

I did an infographic yesterday night, for the German local forum. It took me about 1h+ to make it.
I posted it in the main Merit-thread and said to OP that he could add it to his own post. I got 6 Merit



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818999.msg29007624#msg29007624


A Legendary posted this and got 23 Merit:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg28856972#msg28856972

The post literally says nothing else than "use the middle mouse button".
Now tell me, why is this "advice" 4x more valuable than me working for an hour+ ? Why did this even get Merited in the first place? (no offence)

What should I learn from this?
Sure, there are many members with a higher rank that try to help and try to be fair but as long as those other things happen, people will feel bad. I certainly do.


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January 27, 2018, 06:54:19 PM
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if we have sMerits we have a responsibility to reward people.


exactly this. the sooner the people who got an initial large stack of sMerit (just from our ranking when this was implemented) start spreading it around, the more sMerit those who received it can start sending sMerit of their own. we need to spread this initial pool of sMerits out so more members than just high ranking members with sMerit to burn are doing it.

as of right now the bulk of people who can freely send sMerit without worrying about running dry right away (and thus not being able to +merit a worthy post at that point) are high ranking members so it seems top heavy. once these sMerits are spread around more i think posts that may otherwise be overlooked by high ranking members (because they may not have enough interest in some areas of the forums [beginners and help, say], or a thread just doesnt attract their interest because the topic is old news to the btc vetrans) will be merited by the regular "rank and file" members as the pool of people with spendable sMerits expands.

sMerit is really a thing that we can share to those who are deserving, and also we must not forget that Every 1Merit we received from others is equivalent to 0.5sMerit that can be share to others so basically if you got merit many times by others like 10 merits you'll have extra 5 sMerit which you can give to those who deserved it. With that i can say the this merit system will be continuous and wont end up drying sMerit.


Responsibility to reward the people for good posting will be key to success of merit based program.  Those who are on path to next level of membership can get help by sharing their quality post to Legendary members on thread like

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827596.0
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January 27, 2018, 06:56:14 PM
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to get a member you need 10 merits and to get a full member of 100 merits. x10 Carl! just like people's desire to grow bitcoin price! Was it originally intended to donate, sell or beg the merit?
Yes, a huge and almost impossible distance between them, and so small quantity of sMerits that member's have. I'm very disapointed. All of that was done only for hero/legendary, simply like in my country at the government. They do everything only for themselves, for to take as much money and influence as possible from people who have lower rank, and absolutely don't think about others. How much Merits they sent to juniors, members and others newbies?) Not much)) Will they soon sale Merits? We will see it soon too)
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January 27, 2018, 06:57:06 PM
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What should I learn from this?
Sure, there are many members with a higher rank that try to help and try to be fair but as long as those other things happen, people will feel bad. I certainly do.

There can be some exceptions. His post was made just few minutes after the change was announced and the people giving those merits might not have got used to the system. Also, you did a great job and for such a work, you will keep getting merits. Last time I checked, you have 7 in total for that instead of 6.
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January 27, 2018, 06:59:51 PM
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if we have sMerits we have a responsibility to reward people.


exactly this. the sooner the people who got an initial large stack of sMerit (just from our ranking when this was implemented) start spreading it around, the more sMerit those who received it can start sending sMerit of their own. we need to spread this initial pool of sMerits out so more members than just high ranking members with sMerit to burn are doing it.

as of right now the bulk of people who can freely send sMerit without worrying about running dry right away (and thus not being able to +merit a worthy post at that point) are high ranking members so it seems top heavy. once these sMerits are spread around more i think posts that may otherwise be overlooked by high ranking members (because they may not have enough interest in some areas of the forums [beginners and help, say], or a thread just doesnt attract their interest because the topic is old news to the btc vetrans) will be merited by the regular "rank and file" members as the pool of people with spendable sMerits expands.




If this would be the way people actually behave, then this system might work, might. Here is another example (and I saw many more):

I did an infographic yesterday night, for the German local forum. It took me about 1h+ to make it.
I posted it in the main Merit-thread and said to OP that he could add it to his own post. I got 6 Merit



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818999.msg29007624#msg29007624


A Legendary posted this and got 23 Merit:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg28856972#msg28856972

The post literally says nothing else than "use the middle mouse button".
Now tell me, why is this "advice" 4x more valuable than me working for an hour+ ? Why did this even get Merit in the first place? (no offence)

What should I learn from this?
Sure, there are many members with a higher rank that try to help and try to be fair but as long as those other things happen, people will feel bad. I certainly do.

Well I give you 1 Merit for your effort to share your knowledge in your local board, but dont be sad if other high ranked people get many merit by just posting about something because first all they don't force someone to merit their posts, it is the choice of the people to whom they will give their sMerit, just continue sharing knowledge buddy and many will appreciate you(like me) and eventually you'll received what you deserved.
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January 27, 2018, 07:11:45 PM
 #1577

Now tell me, why is this "advice" 4x more valuable than me working for an hour+ ? Why did this even get Merited in the first place? (no offence)
You have to realize that time spent doesn't necessarily correlate with quality. While I am not necessarily saying that your infographic was poor, people may have found it somewhat less helpful than the advice on how to easily open the merit page.

You also have to understand that your post was in the middle of a megathread that is increasing by several pages by the day, and the other post is on the front page of such thread and easy to find.
Nevermind, I misread. In this case though, your post is in the German local section where only a percentage of the forum will even look at. The other post is on the front page of one of the most popular threads in this section, which it's likely a great deal of the forum has visited.
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January 27, 2018, 07:15:13 PM
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Now tell me, why is this "advice" 4x more valuable than me working for an hour+ ? Why did this even get Merited in the first place? (no offence)
You have to realize that time spent doesn't necessarily correlate with quality. While I am not necessarily saying that your infographic was poor, people may have found it somewhat less helpful than the advice on how to easily open the merit page.

You also have to understand that your post was in the middle of a megathread that is increasing by several pages by the day, and the other post is on the front page of such thread and easy to find.

And you missed one important point as well.
The Merit system is not objective but subjective  Tongue


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January 27, 2018, 07:17:35 PM
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You also have to understand that your post was in the middle of a megathread that is increasing by several pages by the day, and the other post is on the front page of such thread and easy to find.

As I already pointed out in another thread, this is one of the downsides of the
merit system in my opinion.

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Personally, I think the merit system has another downside that could potentially
become visible in the next few weeks. The opening poster of every thread is much more likely
to receive merits than a high-quality reply that is buried on page 17 of a thread with 23 pages. This
could incentivize people, who mainly post in order to receive merits to create new
threads instead of participating in existing discussions.

Let´s hope that I´m wrong and this is an unfounded worry.

A possible way to combat this problem would be to award a higher amount of merits
when you come across a post that is buried in the middle of a megathread.
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January 27, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
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Now tell me, why is this "advice" 4x more valuable than me working for an hour+ ? Why did this even get Merited in the first place? (no offence)
You have to realize that time spent doesn't necessarily correlate with quality. While I am not necessarily saying that your infographic was poor, people may have found it somewhat less helpful than the advice on how to easily open the merit page.
You also have to understand that your post was in the middle of a megathread that is increasing by several pages by the day, and the other post is on the front page of such thread and easy to find.
You forget one major difference: It's a post in a local sub. People that dont speak German dont know what youre saying, they don't know what your infographic says.
The possible users to give you merit thus are limited. I'd expect local posts to get merit slower, but maybe not less than english threads, the difference is simply exposure.

FWIW I merited that post right after I saw it (yesterday), not because I need the infographic, but because I can appreciate the time being spent on creating one.


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