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July 01, 2018, 03:40:28 AM
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I think it would be great it people looked for high quality posts to give merit to and not just ask people to give it to.

I would look around if I had the merit to give... I am struggling to get it to be trustworthy on my ANN. I will see what happens in the future and hope to get some merit so I can give away sMerit only to the people who deserve it.

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July 01, 2018, 03:41:26 AM
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Getting that merit gathering seems very difficult. But I got a merit. This makes me happy and will continue to make valuable posts
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Merited by Foxpup (1)
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Getting that merit gathering seems very difficult. But I got a merit. This makes me happy and will continue to make valuable posts
You're a Facebook and Twitter spammer, none of those posts are valuable.

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July 01, 2018, 04:19:36 PM
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Merit system has a purpose of quality posts being posted in the BITCOIN FORUM. But as you go through a topic in the BITCOIN FORUM you will realize that there are only few fixed members who are posting the required way , whereas , others are still posting as if they are only required to have a post daily or so. These members are generally of higher ranks and already merited. However , on the other side it is completely reversed . Even if the BITCOIN FORUM members , who are ranked newbie or junior member, are posting quality posts as per the guidelines, then also they are not getting any merit which is affecting their rank a lot. This has become a headache for some and is not really appreciated because despite the the work required accordingly, they are not being rewarded.

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July 02, 2018, 02:50:59 AM
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Merit system has a purpose of quality posts being posted in the BITCOIN FORUM. But as you go through a topic in the BITCOIN FORUM you will realize that there are only few fixed members who are posting the required way ,
I don't think there is a strict required way(I mean there is no exact recipe) unless your posts are quality, creative and valuble to the forum members.

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whereas , others are still posting as if they are only required to have a post daily or so.
There is no requirement for posting daily unless you're a member of a bounty gangs who asked to bump their ANN threads as per requirement for getting few shitcoinin which created out of thin air.

Oh no you're also a serious bounty Hunter when looking at your post history. It's full of bounty reports only. How about this  if we change what you're saying " Bounty hunters are still posting as if they are only required to have a post daily in ANN threads"

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then also they are not getting any merit which is affecting their rank a lot. This has become a headache for some

Why so worried about merits. I think headaches are only for juniors and new members who willing to participate signature campaigns and earn money but couldn't due to Merit barrier.

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and is not really appreciated because despite the the work required accordingly, they are not being rewarded.

We can't expect every quality post are getting rewarded since it's not a AI process that measures the value of a post. If someone noticed that your post are good and add value to the forum they will surely merited you.
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July 02, 2018, 02:59:08 AM
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Wrong!
Merit system launched to aim at motivating forum users concentrate on their thread's quality, helpfulness as componental factors to contribute increasing the quality of forum threads, and reducing or eliminating (if possible) shitshows.
In other words, high-qualitied threads are main purposes of merit system.
Merit system has a purpose of quality posts being posted in the BITCOIN FORUM.

Honestly, it is really hard to completely understand what you wrote.
However, I got some of your ideas, and these ones have been repeatedly written, complained by hundreds of forum members.
It doesn't make sense.
So, please stop doing this again. Such a complaining thread like yours is very annoying, and headache.
You - and other members - will not earn any merit by doing this. Hence, why not stop doing this repeatedly!
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But as you go through a topic in the BITCOIN FORUM you will realize that there are only few fixed members who are posting the required way , whereas , others are still posting as if they are only required to have a post daily or so. These members are generally of higher ranks and already merited. However , on the other side it is completely reversed . Even if the BITCOIN FORUM members , who are ranked newbie or junior member, are posting quality posts as per the guidelines, then also they are not getting any merit which is affecting their rank a lot. This has become a headache for some and is not really appreciated because despite the the work required accordingly, they are not being rewarded.




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July 02, 2018, 01:57:34 PM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

(...)

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.


I have started a thread in the Dutch local section, two months ago. I've still got sMerit to give...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3494821.0

Some say there's a problem with people not willing to give sMerits. Seeing that after several weeks, I still haven't given out all of my sMerits in the Dutch section, I'd rather think there's a problem with people not willing to RECEIVE Merits... Roll Eyes Tongue Embarrassed

Kinda agree with you mate. people are asking too much when they do not deserve even a single merit from their posts, it is like they are just want everything to be easy for themself. Kinda hate this kind of guys and the worst is they do not even know that they are not worthy enough.

Exactly.

This is Merit Begging 2.0. People with sMerits who are begging to give them away.

This whole line of discussion seems a bit strange because there surely are a lot of merit worthy posts in the forum.. I personally think that it is just a matter of reading through posts. 

For example, if you are eager to give away a certain quantity of smerits (let's say 50 smerits), then you could have a target to give away 5 merits per day for 10 days or you could have a target to give away 2 merits per day for 25 days or you could spread those goals over a week or a month or whatever time period is comfortable for you. 

Giving away smerits does not seem to be a difficult problem to solve or a bad problem to have, but if you want to attempt some kind of reasonableness or fair distribution (without becoming anal in regards to making the perfect the enemy of the good), then it does take a bit of work to sort the better posts from the less quality posts (all under nearly whatever standard (in your own discretion) you create for yourself).


I think I wrote quite good material and I had so me merit posted to me from people that really liked my posts.
But some post I thought were more well written and documented got no merit and were dumped down on the threads where no one will never look for them.
Sometime is also pure luck. The right post at the right time.

My two cents,
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July 02, 2018, 02:06:47 PM
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You've been merited on 5 posts out of 32 (they also look like your best posts, but not all have the same degree of content). That is 15%, which is a pretty good percentage really even for some of the top posters on the forum. One cannot be expected to get merited for every post he creates really.

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July 02, 2018, 05:09:21 PM
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You've been merited on 5 posts out of 32 (they also look like your best posts, but not all have the same degree of content). That is 15%, which is a pretty good percentage really even for some of the top posters on the forum. One cannot be expected to get merited for every post he creates really.
I  am striving for the maximum!
And I am writing this even if it’s going to lower my merited posts/overall posts ratio!
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July 03, 2018, 09:22:58 PM
Merited by CrazyCraig (2)
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One merit sources has been added




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July 04, 2018, 01:19:07 PM
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I don't want to focus on getting a lot of merits or new rank. I know for sure that it will happen sooner or later. I'll just focus on sharing, posting and gathering information.

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July 04, 2018, 05:33:35 PM
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Getting that merit gathering seems very difficult. But I got a merit. This makes me happy and will continue to make valuable posts
You're a Facebook and Twitter spammer, none of those posts is valuable.

How you can call  him a spammer?He is just doing his job as Bounty Hunter.Your job is signature campagne BHunter and his twitter and facebook.Are you signature spammer?
I guess not,i didn´t prove it yet,but everyone get what they deserve,right?But how about this:

"Merit system has a purpose of quality posts being posted in the BITCOIN FORUM. But as you go through a topic in the BITCOIN FORUM you will realize that there are only few fixed members who are posting the required way , whereas , others are still posting as if they are only required to have a post daily or so. These members are generally of higher ranks and already merited. However , on the other side it is completely reversed . Even if the BITCOIN FORUM members , who are ranked newbie or junior member, are posting quality posts as per the guidelines, then also they are not getting any merit which is affecting their rank a lot. This has become a headache for some and is not really appreciated because despite the the work required accordingly, they are not being rewarded. "
Said a guy just after your reply.Thats my thoughts also,lot of you Legenderys got your rank with spaming forums with "high quality posts" (not saying you are the one of them,don´t know you) and job is done.Now you can offend others becouse you are a LEGEND ?

You can call me a spammer,i´m not writing all my post just becouse i have my own opinion and want it to share with all legends here to get merits.I just want to get enough post to be part of some twitter campagne.Just like you at the begining.And we all have a same goal!
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July 05, 2018, 04:02:46 AM
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Weekly report

One merit sources has been added




Based on your continous analysis on merit distributions in the forum, I have a feeling that the weekly distributed merits has been almost stable with the range from 4000 to 5000 points.
It has been actually sometimes higher, sometimes lower but not significant changes.
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July 05, 2018, 06:37:56 AM
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Getting that merit gathering seems very difficult. But I got a merit. This makes me happy and will continue to make valuable posts
You're a Facebook and Twitter spammer, none of those posts is valuable.

How you can call  him a spammer?He is just doing his job as Bounty Hunter.Your job is signature campagne BHunter and his twitter and facebook.Are you signature spammer?
I guess not,i didn´t prove it yet,but everyone get what they deserve,right?But how about this:

"Merit system has a purpose of quality posts being posted in the BITCOIN FORUM. But as you go through a topic in the BITCOIN FORUM you will realize that there are only few fixed members who are posting the required way , whereas , others are still posting as if they are only required to have a post daily or so. These members are generally of higher ranks and already merited. However , on the other side it is completely reversed . Even if the BITCOIN FORUM members , who are ranked newbie or junior member, are posting quality posts as per the guidelines, then also they are not getting any merit which is affecting their rank a lot. This has become a headache for some and is not really appreciated because despite the the work required accordingly, they are not being rewarded. "
Said a guy just after your reply.Thats my thoughts also,lot of you Legenderys got your rank with spaming forums with "high quality posts" (not saying you are the one of them,don´t know you) and job is done.Now you can offend others becouse you are a LEGEND ?

You can call me a spammer,i´m not writing all my post just becouse i have my own opinion and want it to share with all legends here to get merits.I just want to get enough post to be part of some twitter campagne.Just like you at the begining.And we all have a same goal!

I really hope that you have no idea what you are talking about. I will not discuss who is LoyceV,  and what he is done for cryptocurrency community, I'm gonna mention that he is a merit source, but calling him a signature spammer you have to be out of your mind. Check his post history and tell me if you can compare it to yours?

Here is not a place to "work", if you support a project you can put the signature while you discuss different subjects, express your opinion or helping the others. This is not turning you into a worker and for sure this is not a way to make a living out if it.
It should be just a hobby , but spammers like you are abusing the forum and turning it in a main income source.

This is the difference. We have jobs, we have good salaries and here we are trying to popularize the cryptocurrency to be worldwide accepted.
You are just after the easy money, the more, the better. This is what is wrong.

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July 05, 2018, 02:06:29 PM
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Getting that merit gathering seems very difficult. But I got a merit. This makes me happy and will continue to make valuable posts
You're a Facebook and Twitter spammer, none of those posts is valuable.

How you can call  him a spammer?He is just doing his job as Bounty Hunter.Your job is signature campagne BHunter and his twitter and facebook.Are you signature spammer?
I guess not,i didn´t prove it yet,but everyone get what they deserve,right?But how about this:

"Merit system has a purpose of quality posts being posted in the BITCOIN FORUM. But as you go through a topic in the BITCOIN FORUM you will realize that there are only few fixed members who are posting the required way , whereas , others are still posting as if they are only required to have a post daily or so. These members are generally of higher ranks and already merited. However , on the other side it is completely reversed . Even if the BITCOIN FORUM members , who are ranked newbie or junior member, are posting quality posts as per the guidelines, then also they are not getting any merit which is affecting their rank a lot. This has become a headache for some and is not really appreciated because despite the the work required accordingly, they are not being rewarded. "
Said a guy just after your reply.Thats my thoughts also,lot of you Legenderys got your rank with spaming forums with "high quality posts" (not saying you are the one of them,don´t know you) and job is done.Now you can offend others becouse you are a LEGEND ?

You can call me a spammer,i´m not writing all my post just becouse i have my own opinion and want it to share with all legends here to get merits.I just want to get enough post to be part of some twitter campagne.Just like you at the begining.And we all have a same goal!

I really hope that you have no idea what you are talking about. I will not discuss who is LoyceV,  and what he is done for cryptocurrency community, I'm gonna mention that he is a merit source, but calling him a signature spammer you have to be out of your mind. Check his post history and tell me if you can compare it to yours?

Here is not a place to "work", if you support a project you can put the signature while you discuss different subjects, express your opinion or helping the others. This is not turning you into a worker and for sure this is not a way to make a living out if it.
It should be just a hobby , but spammers like you are abusing the forum and turning it in a main income source.

This is the difference. We have jobs, we have good salaries and here we are trying to popularize the cryptocurrency to be worldwide accepted.
You are just after the easy money, the more, the better. This is what is wrong.

I think you have misunderstood my post and you have not read it properly
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July 05, 2018, 07:08:32 PM
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Getting that merit gathering seems very difficult. But I got a merit. This makes me happy and will continue to make valuable posts
You're a Facebook and Twitter spammer, none of those posts is valuable.

How you can call  him a spammer?He is just doing his job as Bounty Hunter.Your job is signature campagne BHunter and his twitter and facebook.Are you signature spammer?
I guess not,i didn´t prove it yet,but everyone get what they deserve,right?But how about this:

"Merit system has a purpose of quality posts being posted in the BITCOIN FORUM. But as you go through a topic in the BITCOIN FORUM you will realize that there are only few fixed members who are posting the required way , whereas , others are still posting as if they are only required to have a post daily or so. These members are generally of higher ranks and already merited. However , on the other side it is completely reversed . Even if the BITCOIN FORUM members , who are ranked newbie or junior member, are posting quality posts as per the guidelines, then also they are not getting any merit which is affecting their rank a lot. This has become a headache for some and is not really appreciated because despite the the work required accordingly, they are not being rewarded. "
Said a guy just after your reply.Thats my thoughts also,lot of you Legenderys got your rank with spaming forums with "high quality posts" (not saying you are the one of them,don´t know you) and job is done.Now you can offend others becouse you are a LEGEND ?

You can call me a spammer,i´m not writing all my post just becouse i have my own opinion and want it to share with all legends here to get merits.I just want to get enough post to be part of some twitter campagne.Just like you at the begining.And we all have a same goal!

I really hope that you have no idea what you are talking about. I will not discuss who is LoyceV,  and what he is done for cryptocurrency community, I'm gonna mention that he is a merit source, but calling him a signature spammer you have to be out of your mind. Check his post history and tell me if you can compare it to yours?

Here is not a place to "work", if you support a project you can put the signature while you discuss different subjects, express your opinion or helping the others. This is not turning you into a worker and for sure this is not a way to make a living out if it.
It should be just a hobby , but spammers like you are abusing the forum and turning it in a main income source.

This is the difference. We have jobs, we have good salaries and here we are trying to popularize the cryptocurrency to be worldwide accepted.
You are just after the easy money, the more, the better. This is what is wrong.

I think you have misunderstood my post and you have not read it properly

Nah.. you are not being misunderstood.

You are engaging in an attack on higher ranked members and attempting to cause them to be your equals (even though you have no rank here).  So in essence you are attempting to substantiate bullshit arguments by using a lot of words and just wasting time on such a focus, when you likely could be able to contribute to the forum by focusing your energies more effectively to attempt to help other members rather than engaging in state of "bitter."   Roll Eyes 

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July 06, 2018, 04:26:39 AM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.
How does the rank affect to the signature campaigns. i.e. higher ranks gets more stakes?
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July 06, 2018, 05:08:01 AM
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How does the rank affect to the signature campaigns. i.e. higher ranks gets more stakes?
Please refrain from doing massive quotes. Quotes should normally be limited to a certain phrase/paragraph you want to focus on. Exceptionally, the whole text may be quotes to archive the post’s content.

The answer is yes, stakes do vary with rank normally, although there are a few campaigns that require a minimum rank and treat all included ranks the same. Also, the signature size and content vary depending on the rank. Often campaign avatar is added from full member onwards. Check through any of the Bounties (Altcoin) section to see examples.

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July 06, 2018, 05:46:10 AM
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So there has been a message from theymos to merit sources stating :

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(This message is being sent to most merit sources.)

Previously, you may have noticed that there was a bug in the algorithm which calculated your source merit, causing your source merit to replenish less than intended. The algorithm has now been adjusted to hopefully fix this. As a side-effect, your non-source sMerit may also have changed.

The intended behavior is that if you send x source merit, then you'll get x source merit back 30 days after that send. (Not in a monthly lump.)

Let me know if you still see any anomalies.

Did someone notice any change in his Source merit status?
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July 06, 2018, 05:47:42 AM
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Did someone notice any change in his Source merit status?

I didn't - but I wasn't paying attention prior.

For the last couple months, I have been receiving sMerit on a daily basis, so I assumed it was working as intended...

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