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October 06, 2014, 09:09:37 PM
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Those have firmware too
Floppy firmware Huh

The problem is paucity of computers that still have the floppy drive interfaces. Physical drives and disks are quite easy to get on the secondary market.

Obviously, using an USB-attached floppy drive will put you back in square one.


Oh internal floppy, do you even have a floppy header?

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October 06, 2014, 09:27:59 PM
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Oh internal floppy, do you even have a floppy header?
Internal or external. It doesn't matter, lots of laptops had it as an option for "universal drive bay" or "expansion docking bay". On desktop motherboards it is nowadays available through the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Pin_Count bus instead of the historical "IBM PC-compatible" cable.


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October 06, 2014, 09:40:50 PM
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Those have firmware too
Floppy firmware Huh

The problem is paucity of computers that still have the floppy drive interfaces. Physical drives and disks are quite easy to get on the secondary market.

Obviously, using an USB-attached floppy drive will put you back in square one.


Oh internal floppy, do you even have a floppy header?
Would be using old IDE/ATA interface, not USB. Sure floppy has firmware, but I doubt the BadUSB problem attacks IDE/ATA firmware or if the old firmware was even writeable.

My cold storage XP computer already has a floppy and I have a PCI to IDE controller card that will allow me to interface an old floppy (I have several sitting around) to my on-line computer. Floppies would be used to transfer signature files. Just wondering if the old technology might be less susceptible to hacks like BadUSB.

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October 06, 2014, 09:45:57 PM
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Man that shit is old. Maybe sata to sd is a better option.

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October 06, 2014, 09:55:43 PM
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It is old. But it's spare parts I have laying around. Saw a 60 Minutes where they're still using 8" floppies in ICBM launch bunkers. Why - because they're controllers cannot be be hacked. That's what made me wonder about this option.

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October 06, 2014, 10:35:31 PM
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Would be using old IDE/ATA interface, not USB. Sure floppy has firmware, but I doubt the BadUSB problem attacks IDE/ATA firmware or if the old firmware was even writeable.

My cold storage XP computer already has a floppy and I have a PCI to IDE controller card that will allow me to interface an old floppy (I have several sitting around) to my on-line computer. Floppies would be used to transfer signature files. Just wondering if the old technology might be less susceptible to hacks like BadUSB.
You seem to be confused. Floppies have no firmware neither in the drive nor in the controller. It is all hard-wired logic sequencers. Moreover normal floppies never used IDE/ATA interface or anything similar, those were for hard drives. Fortunately the connectors won't fit, so there's no possibility of damage. Lots of even fairly modern motherboards will support floppy connected via the LPC as a last-resort recovery from a locked-out administrator access to the IPMI, AMT or similar pre-boot low-level interfaces. It is frequently not even described in the regular documentation.

There are some extremely rare IDE-attached floppy-like drives like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floptical
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperDisk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_HiFD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_UHD144
but those aren't real floppies and do have firmware. Although they are so rare, that one can probably assume that nobody would bother to hack them.

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October 06, 2014, 10:58:28 PM
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Every time I updated Armory (windows 64 bit version) my antivirus software quarantines “guardian.exe”  I wasn’t able to find a satisfactory explanation as to its function.

can anyone shed some light on the following questions:

What does it do? Why does Armory need it?
My Armory seems to functions just fine without it, is there anything I should know or be concerned about? 
Is it safe to ask my antivirus to ignore this file?

Thanks,

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October 06, 2014, 11:28:30 PM
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Would be using old IDE/ATA interface, not USB. Sure floppy has firmware, but I doubt the BadUSB problem attacks IDE/ATA firmware or if the old firmware was even writeable.

My cold storage XP computer already has a floppy and I have a PCI to IDE controller card that will allow me to interface an old floppy (I have several sitting around) to my on-line computer. Floppies would be used to transfer signature files. Just wondering if the old technology might be less susceptible to hacks like BadUSB.
You seem to be confused. Floppies have no firmware neither in the drive nor in the controller. It is all hard-wired logic sequencers. Moreover normal floppies never used IDE/ATA interface or anything similar, those were for hard drives. Fortunately the connectors won't fit, so there's no possibility of damage. Lots of even fairly modern motherboards will support floppy connected via the LPC as a last-resort recovery from a locked-out administrator access to the IPMI, AMT or similar pre-boot low-level interfaces. It is frequently not even described in the regular documentation.

There are some extremely rare IDE-attached floppy-like drives like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floptical
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperDisk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_HiFD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_UHD144
but those aren't real floppies and do have firmware. Although they are so rare, that one can probably assume that nobody would bother to hack them.

You're right. I was looking at my old "Super I/O" card that states it "contains a Floppy Disk Controller" and thought this was an IDE/ATA interface but guess that's different.
It states:
» Supports two 360K / 720K / 1.2M / 1.44M / 2.88M floppy disk drives
» Enhanced digital data separator
» 3-Mode drives supported
But, it's definitely not USB since it has the old parallel ribbon cable connectors that connect to the old 3.5" floppy drives.

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October 06, 2014, 11:47:10 PM
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Every time I updated Armory (windows 64 bit version) my antivirus software quarantines “guardian.exe”  I wasn’t able to find a satisfactory explanation as to its function.

can anyone shed some light on the following questions:

What does it do? Why does Armory need it?
My Armory seems to functions just fine without it, is there anything I should know or be concerned about? 
Is it safe to ask my antivirus to ignore this file?

Thanks,


If you use auto managed bitcoind, it will be ran monitor the bitcoind instance spawned by Armory. If Armory was to crash, it will kill that bitcoind instance and exit.

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October 07, 2014, 12:50:09 AM
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Every time I updated Armory (windows 64 bit version) my antivirus software quarantines “guardian.exe”  I wasn’t able to find a satisfactory explanation as to its function.

can anyone shed some light on the following questions:

What does it do? Why does Armory need it?
My Armory seems to functions just fine without it, is there anything I should know or be concerned about? 
Is it safe to ask my antivirus to ignore this file?

Thanks,


If you use auto managed bitcoind, it will be ran monitor the bitcoind instance spawned by Armory. If Armory was to crash, it will kill that bitcoind instance and exit.

More specifically, if Armory runs Bitcoin Core for you in the background, sometimes it will leave Bitcoin Core running in the background if Armory crashes.  guardian.exe is a very short program with the sole purpose of killing Bitcoin Core if Armory fails to close it.  It was especially important on Windows where Armory would mysteriously fail to close Core even on a clean shutdown. 

If you quarantine guardian.exe and don't allow it to run, you'll be fine.  But you might occasionally start Armory and it will tell you Core is already running, even though you never started it.  You'll have to go into the task manager and kill it manually.

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October 07, 2014, 12:55:32 AM
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thanks etotheipi and goatpig,

Occasionally I feel armory didn’t close properly as Armory has to re index the internal database on reboot. Not sure as this hasn’t happened with 0.92.3 yet but would that be related?

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October 07, 2014, 01:12:42 AM
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You're right. I was looking at my old "Super I/O" card that states it "contains a Floppy Disk Controller" and thought this was an IDE/ATA interface but guess that's different.
It states:
» Supports two 360K / 720K / 1.2M / 1.44M / 2.88M floppy disk drives
» Enhanced digital data separator
» 3-Mode drives supported
But, it's definitely not USB since it has the old parallel ribbon cable connectors that connect to the old 3.5" floppy drives.
Yep, you are good to go and as safe as the US ICBM operators. Although if I remember correctly the ICBM operators are required to sit on their chairs (with rails instead of rollers) and wear seat-belts (chairbelts?) when swapping floppies.

Important edit for the beginners:

1) Do not allow any of the computers to boot off of the floppy or CD-ROM. Always remember to immediately remove the floppy or CD-RW used to exchange the data between the computers, lest you forget and reboot the machine accidentally.

2) Do not install any additional drivers that might have came with the PCI board or the laptop expansion bay. The added device should be recognized by the OS itself. If the device isn't auto-recognized then it also isn't really safe. There were well-know vendors who inadvertently distributed viruses/trojans/bad OS patches on their pressed driver CD-ROMs.

I apologize for not putting this disclaimer when writing the original message.



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October 07, 2014, 02:50:17 AM
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Sorry for the delay guys.  First, my release script was broken, and I wasn't able to sign the 0.92.3 tag before making the full release.  I had planned to do it the next day.  The next day my primary hard-drive died before I could complete the process.  D'oh!

Anyways, I got everything sorted out now and I just pushed the tag v0.92.3.  That should complete the release.  Future releases should have the signed tag pushed at the same time the signed installers are uploaded to S3.

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October 07, 2014, 04:00:29 AM
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Okay, tried to update armory through the .deb file 13.10.
I'm running Linux Mint 16 petra.

it gave me an error and told me I had to run sudo apt-get install -f from the terminal.
It wouldn't let me open a terminal window, so I restarted the system.

Instead of booting to the Linux Mint logon screen, it now gives me the Ubuntu 13.10 startup screen but never gets to logon.

I went into linux mint recovery and did the sudo apt0get install -f from there, but rebooting  the system still gives me a stuck screen that shows ubuntu 13.10.

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October 07, 2014, 05:29:34 AM
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why do we get this on version check:

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cypher@ubuntu:~$ bitcoind getinfo
bitcoin is very out of date and has been removed.
Please see upstream sources at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/
or the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin
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October 07, 2014, 05:31:11 AM
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why do we get this on version check:

Code:
cypher@ubuntu:~$ bitcoind getinfo
bitcoin is very out of date and has been removed.
Please see upstream sources at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/
or the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin
cypher@ubuntu:~$

bitcoin moved to the ppa you have to install then you can use apt-get

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October 07, 2014, 05:47:35 AM
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why do we get this on version check:

Code:
cypher@ubuntu:~$ bitcoind getinfo
bitcoin is very out of date and has been removed.
Please see upstream sources at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/
or the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin
cypher@ubuntu:~$

bitcoin moved to the ppa you have to install then you can use apt-get

PPA and 0.9.3 already installed and running. Why don't "bitcoind getinfo" return version info like normal?  
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October 07, 2014, 05:50:45 AM
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why do we get this on version check:

Code:
cypher@ubuntu:~$ bitcoind getinfo
bitcoin is very out of date and has been removed.
Please see upstream sources at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/
or the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin
cypher@ubuntu:~$

bitcoin moved to the ppa you have to install then you can use apt-get

PPA and 0.9.3 already installed and running. Why don't "bitcoind getinfo" return version info like normal? 

thats odd have you tried
bitcoin-cli getinfo

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October 07, 2014, 11:38:53 AM
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Just curious if anyone has a workaround for this:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=810707.0

Pretty stuck at the moment.
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October 07, 2014, 04:04:50 PM
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why do we get this on version check:

Code:
cypher@ubuntu:~$ bitcoind getinfo
bitcoin is very out of date and has been removed.
Please see upstream sources at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/
or the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin
cypher@ubuntu:~$

bitcoin moved to the ppa you have to install then you can use apt-get

PPA and 0.9.3 already installed and running. Why don't "bitcoind getinfo" return version info like normal?  

Do you have both bitcoin-qt from the PPA and bitcoind from the Ubuntu repo installed? Do a "dpkg -l bitcoin*", if you have both "bitcoin-qt 0.9.3" and "bitcoind 0.3.24" installed, then do a "sudo apt-get upgrade bitcoind" to upgrade it to the PPA version.
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