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1061  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hype Cycles: Natural Fractal Patterns of Human Behavior? on: March 06, 2013, 06:04:16 PM
   
First sell signal at this 14 to 49 bull market



stop spamming bad charts. this has zero explanatory power. it's literally just a line on a chart and the words SELL. this is bad TA.
1062  Economy / Speculation / Re: bubbling up because media talking of record high on: March 03, 2013, 10:14:15 AM
'Bubble' might not be accurate, since we don't have the massive upward spikes  ($4+ the same hour) that we had in early June 2011.

Very Short-term: We have had several dramatic, 'healthy' corrections.
Medium-term: We are way over-due for a (temporary) big dive, and the longer it's put off, then the more massive it will be.

Ah man, you were so close to actually being right and then you got to that last sentence...

so 9 consecutive weekly green candles (>2 months) is perfectly normal and sustainable?

absolutely :-) NP  (still very cheap bitcoins, in even short term 1-3 years)

So, a revolutionary application of cryptography that is extremely useful as "internet money" is perfectly normal? Happens every other year? Guess not. Prepare for another green candle everytime politicians or fed chairmen make a decision regarding monetary policy or taxes. Expect a green candle every time a hard-working African pays outrageous fees to wire home money to his loved ones. Expect a green candle everytime a banker decides to give out an interest-bearing loan and creates money out of thin air. Excpect a green candle every time a consumer at the gas station figures out not gas has become more expensive, but his money has become worth less. Hell, expect a whole christmas tree of green candles!

I think Odalv is correct.


good post. but price still needs to correct. that's all im sayin.
1063  Economy / Speculation / Re: YAWN on: March 01, 2013, 10:45:02 PM
this is of course assuming that past data predicts future results.

Which it doesn't. Therefore /thread
emphasis mine.

this statement may not be true. that is all i'm trying to say.

if you disagree with my assumptions, then don't bother with the conclusion. it needn't follow. but don't get butthurt just because you don't think TA is worth anything. many people here do and are interested in the various projections of that assumption.


I wouldn't bother if you guys didn't post 15 thousand threads every time upload a picture and proclaim that TEH CRASH IZ COMING! DA LINEZ SHOW IT!  That's why you don't see me in the long running TA threads.

you wouldn't bother me so much if you knew a cow's lick about technical analysis and the discussions we have about it were actually constructive.

bearish perspectives are important. i was wrong in my predictions. i can handle that. can you handle that?
1064  Economy / Speculation / Re: bubbling up because media talking of record high on: March 01, 2013, 10:43:18 PM
'Bubble' might not be accurate, since we don't have the massive upward spikes  ($4+ the same hour) that we had in early June 2011.

Very Short-term: We have had several dramatic, 'healthy' corrections.
Medium-term: We are way over-due for a (temporary) big dive, and the longer it's put off, then the more massive it will be.

Ah man, you were so close to actually being right and then you got to that last sentence...

so 9 consecutive weekly green candles (>2 months) is perfectly normal and sustainable?

Sure. 90, meeehhhh. But 9? Sure.

And I like how you even went with weekly candles.  You just zoomed out until you found a metric you didn't like and decided, "Yup! There's mah proofs!"  Way to cherry pick.

thanks for projecting motives. i really appreciate the fair and open discussion. when did you lose so much respect for me that you can't even take a single one of my points seriously?

but anyway,

say i did exactly what you said. say i'm cherry-picking. JUST SAY --

you still need to account for it. every scale is valid and price movement patterns appear on every scale. the fact that we haven't seen a weekly-sized correction in 9 consecutive weeks is a big deal. and if you don't think it is, you don't know enough about markets. screw that, you don't know enough about historical bitcoin price data. let me put this into perspective. the only time ever that there have been 9 or more consecutive green weekly candles was during the run-up to the pirate bubble. this is not 'normal', and it's not necessarily bearish, but you didn't even respond to the damn point.

also, i'm pretty damn close to ignoring you, which would make you the first person to ever have that honor. you side-step every single point i make in every single thread, all the while treating me like im the most worthless poster on this forum. that's not discussion, and you need to step off.

edit:

btw, this is the problem:

Quote from: mccorvic
Ah man, you were so close to actually being right and then you got to that last sentence...

"right" and "what i already believe" are not always equivalent. watch out for that.
1065  Economy / Speculation / Re: bubbling up because media talking of record high on: March 01, 2013, 08:30:13 PM
'Bubble' might not be accurate, since we don't have the massive upward spikes  ($4+ the same hour) that we had in early June 2011.

Very Short-term: We have had several dramatic, 'healthy' corrections.
Medium-term: We are way over-due for a (temporary) big dive, and the longer it's put off, then the more massive it will be.

Ah man, you were so close to actually being right and then you got to that last sentence...

so 9 consecutive weekly green candles (>2 months) is perfectly normal and sustainable?
1066  Economy / Speculation / Re: YAWN on: March 01, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
this is of course assuming that past data predicts future results.

Which it doesn't. Therefore /thread
emphasis mine.

this statement may not be true. that is all i'm trying to say.

if you disagree with my assumptions, then don't bother with the conclusion. it needn't follow. but don't get butthurt just because you don't think TA is worth anything. many people here do and are interested in the various projections of that assumption.
1067  Economy / Speculation / Re: YAWN on: March 01, 2013, 05:36:51 PM
this is of course assuming that past data predicts future results.

Which it doesn't. Therefore /thread

please. it doesn't necessarily. but saying the opposite just as surely is just as bad.

do you have a peer-reviewed paper proving the absence of time-dependent autocorrelations in price data?

Hmmm... you can't prove a negative, arepo. You also can't prove the non-existence of unicorns. The onus is on you to prove the correlations are causal, not the other way around.

the onus is on the claimant.

the onus is on nobody at all if i state it as an assumption.
1068  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ultimate bear chart on: March 01, 2013, 02:26:29 PM
Sad that I can't tell if you are sarcastic or not.

Bear arguments have literally become this retarded.

i'm hoping that you're being sarcastic, because if you can't tell that this is a caricature of analysis, then you're ill-equipped to judge actual technicals, as you have repeatedly.

Now don't defend yourself. Stick to what you say. How else should I ever trust your analysis.

i'm defending the integrity of the forum.
1069  Economy / Speculation / Re: YAWN on: March 01, 2013, 02:24:51 PM
this is of course assuming that past data predicts future results.

Which it doesn't. Therefore /thread

please. it doesn't necessarily. but saying the opposite just as surely is just as bad.

do you have a peer-reviewed paper proving the absence of time-dependent autocorrelations in price data?
1070  Economy / Speculation / Re: I'm so excited, I'm not trying to hide it on: March 01, 2013, 01:55:31 PM
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Adam                 V
<--Lucif

Hahaha!
I somehow missed this. Best gif ever.
LOL this forum is so jokes.

also all this excited excitement is kinda worrying....

its been going on for over a week now, at least. but we're not seeing unsustainable growth, just the slow, grinding, 2% daily for the past month.

that's worrying Tongue
1071  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ultimate bear chart on: March 01, 2013, 01:50:53 PM
Sad that I can't tell if you are sarcastic or not.

Bear arguments have literally become this retarded.

i'm hoping that you're being sarcastic, because if you can't tell that this is a caricature of analysis, then you're ill-equipped to judge actual technicals, as you have repeatedly.
1072  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ultimate bear chart on: March 01, 2013, 01:49:49 PM
Sad that I can't tell if you are sarcastic or not.

Bear arguments have literally become this retarded.

In other news, Pokerstars is rigged because my Aces lost to runner runner flush.

some idiot was arguing this in the freeroll chat just last night, actually.
1073  Economy / Speculation / Re: YAWN on: March 01, 2013, 01:48:18 PM

Going a bit more in-depth, we have the king effect clearly seen in Bitcoin prices:


The king effect means that when Bitcoin goes back up above $30, it will either continue to rise before a sizable collapse, or collapse immediately. For example, all of the following are plausible scenarios:

  • Price remains below ~$25, with stability
  • Price rises above ~$25, then quickly collapses below ~$25, with some stability
  • Price rises above ~$25, then continues rising to around $40 before returning to the $25 to $30 level, with little stability
  • Price rises above ~$25, then continues rising to far above $25 before collapsing but remaining above $25, with almost no stability

The king effect means that it is unlikely we will see both new highs and stability. One has to go.

science is when you can derive the same conclusion from different means Tongue

anyway, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Lol. It's a log-log scale, and what's on the horizontal axis? The number of data points? I think you've been played.

You'll get that "king effect" with any (positive) data set that has simple exponential growth* over time. Add some new "all-time highs" and what happens? The old 'king' point get shunted off to the right and exponentially closer to the straight line approximation. Then the new all-time high becomes the new king point and there's only a very small chance that it will hit the middle.

*Edit: (and some noise superimposed on the signal)

the conclusion still holds that when new 'exponential highs' are reached, they will bring with them instability.

did you even read the words underneath?

this is of course assuming that past data predicts future results.
1074  Economy / Speculation / Re: Reversal! on: February 28, 2013, 05:53:55 AM
For anyone curious, arepo posed some good questions in a thread I started back in April at $5 about OBV.

Thanks for the on-going healthy and articulate skepticism.

thanks for the backup, and you too, oak. Smiley

although i was pretty pretentious in that thread Tongue

Yup, as we all know, bitcoin is a Go game, there is no such thing as a "checkmate" even if the downtrend were confirmed.

and i see what you did there hah
1075  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: February 28, 2013, 05:39:23 AM
Please explain, lucif. What does that "5 looks to be ahead" mean?

Elliott Waves, it's the homoeopathy of technical analysis

+2

way too subjective. and then i take abuse about how TA is voodoo when i'm sticking to empirical methods Tongue
1076  Economy / Speculation / YAWN on: February 28, 2013, 05:37:06 AM
so we've broken the all-time-high.

what now?

how many expected a bubble top?

the momentum of this rally is shot.

if nothing happens (flat prices), what will you do?

if price drops 10%, will you sell? 205? 30%? 50%?

our news-based, rapid-adoption rally is deflating.

i expect if we fail to maintain the (approximately) 2% daily average growth for the month of February for the rest of this week, we will correct with high volatility. if we exceed it, we will bubble up.

-===-



-===-

the blue 'volatility' line superficially suggests that the bursting of the bubble is imminent, but the slight correction after the peak in the Febuary structure fails in comparison with the size of the retrace in the June structure. we could just be approaching the support for the eventual bubble top.

whether that support has been discovered by price already or if it is currently overbought, however, is not known.

this leads to the conclusion that either:

-the panic buying starts now.
or
-we will enter a downtrend with high volatility

interestingly enough, this coincides with a hypothesis that DREE12 had earlier posited based on his analysis of "bitcoin's top days" data:

Going a bit more in-depth, we have the king effect clearly seen in Bitcoin prices:


The king effect means that when Bitcoin goes back up above $30, it will either continue to rise before a sizable collapse, or collapse immediately. For example, all of the following are plausible scenarios:

  • Price remains below ~$25, with stability
  • Price rises above ~$25, then quickly collapses below ~$25, with some stability
  • Price rises above ~$25, then continues rising to around $40 before returning to the $25 to $30 level, with little stability
  • Price rises above ~$25, then continues rising to far above $25 before collapsing but remaining above $25, with almost no stability

The king effect means that it is unlikely we will see both new highs and stability. One has to go.

science is when you can derive the same conclusion from different means Tongue

anyway, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.
1077  Economy / Speculation / Re: Reversal! on: February 28, 2013, 03:32:24 AM
+1 for the good chart. very good analysis there. i think it may be time to let this thread die, finally.
1078  Economy / Speculation / Re: Warning to bears: Big players in China on: February 25, 2013, 04:27:50 AM
the present rally is reflecting an increasing demand all over, not just china. the chinese market is but a part and could just as easily drive a sell-off if the 'big player' starts to see prices drop on other exchanges.

in other words, increasing demand is obvious. why else should the price increase 600% in 12 months? this says nothing about whether or not we're at the market equilibrium or are overbought or oversold. this may even be a bubble symptom -- is this 'smart money' or panic buying? how does the saying go? when your mom starts trading with leverage, it's time to get out.

sorry for the bearish sentiment, just trying to provide another perspective.
1079  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is it a good idea to buy Bitcoin now at $29? on: February 25, 2013, 03:35:28 AM
your response is ignoring entirely the context of my post.

first, channels are not definitive. it 'tested' the support at $27, but recovered quickly, unlike his time around.

second, i'm not saying that there won't be an upside breakout of this particular triangle consolidation. no one can predict price movements with 100% accuracy.

now, let's look at the context:

lol.
Bears still have shitty arguments! Bears simply have nothing other than "yo this is a bubble because it was a bubble bubble bubblespeak bubble."
Maxing out technical indicators means jack shit in a deep bull trend, which Bitcoin is undergoing.

tell me more about this deep bull trend.

hint: indicators give you insight as to how 'deep' it really is. i saw the rally losing steam before the price tested the bottom support. it's finally broken through. good luck bulls.

the indicators are still saying reversal territory. you can follow along in my analysis thread here. i actually predicted the first testing of the support i outlined above in that very thread, and the 'deep bull trend' which has been going on since $14 is clearly losing steam. i was pointing out to humanitee that indicators are important, and helped predict the weakening of the trend, which leaves it vulnerable to the coming correction of this large price movement.

in other words, he claimed all is well in the rally, so my indicators are worthless. i countered with a chart demonstrating how the price momentum is falling off in the short-term. if in the mid-term (uninterrupted rally from $14 to $30) we are aching for a correction, then when price falters in the short-term it is a significant risk.
1080  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is it a good idea to buy Bitcoin now at $29? on: February 25, 2013, 02:20:54 AM
tell me more about this deep bull trend.

hint: indicators give you insight as to how 'deep' it really is. i saw the rally losing steam before the price tested the bottom support. it's finally broken through. good luck bulls.


That chart starts at $20, and its linear. This rally started at least as far back as $14! And use log scale, we're still in the channel..

so your channel is better than my channel? these lines are arbitrary [read: not scale-invariant]. my chart simply shows that short-term momentum is sagging and we are now consolidating.

edit: also, look closer, it's actually a log chart. you really know what you're doing. Tongue
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