Martin Armstrong Discussion

[Alex-11]

Hey MA, aka Alex aka blah blah, go spend your 100s of millions instead of trolling us. Unless you don't have the money, then please continue..... Go light one up with your buddy Elon, it'll all work out lol

  good one. At least I have a little bit of fun.

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[s29]

I bet Marty generates his mails with his computer:

Oh my God, and he really does:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/future-forecasts/misrepresenting-our-forecast-for-the-start-of-big-bang-2015-75/

Misrepresenting Our Forecast for the Start of Big Bang 2015.75
Blog/Forecasts
Posted Nov 3, 2019 by Martin Armstrong

COMMENT: I find it really shocking how people are slandering you claiming you forecast that 2015.75 would be the collapse of everything instead of the peak in governments and the beginning of the decline and fall. You have made that very clear that this was the turning point to begin the change. It was the precise day Russia sent troops into Syria. It was the start of the massive migration of refugees to Europe. It was the start of the shift in politics that led to Trump’s victory the following year. It seems that there are people desperate to try to prevent others from listing to you. I think they are conspiring against the people.

HS

REPLY: I know. It is an outright misrepresentation of our forecasts and it is deliberate. Our post back in 2014 laid it out clearly:

“As we approach the start of BIG BANG (2015.75), which is 26 years from the first crack in Marxism 1989 first observed in China followed by the fall of the Berlin Wall within months, ever since the world has been drastically altered economically. The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 was part of this process. That was not a CIA plot, but the unraveling of the Marxist Era. We should witness dramatic political and economic changes going into 2020.05. The bottom of the ECM 2020.05 will also be 31.4 years from the start of the fall of Communism that should culminate in the final stages of the collapse of Socialism. This is part of the cause of BIG BANG that will become focused most intensely between 2015.75 and 2020.05.”

December 28, 2014

I think the collapse in the confidence of governments has been indeed the pronounced characteristic of this 4.3 year part of the wave. The European and Japanese Bond markets have been destroyed. Both governments are on life support. I think we have some very serious sovereign debt problems and we are looking at that on the state and municipal levels. Why would someone claim we have been wrong and misrepresent that there is no sovereign debt crisis? It certainly seems that they are spreading propaganda to help keep the banks and governments in play.

Socialism is making a major play to win the 2020 elections here in the States. We have an obvious coup unfolding against Trump carried out by the CIA, FBI, and NSA. This target is 31.4 years from the START of the fall of Communism. It is the START of this trend in Western Society NOT THE END!!!!!!! The 2020 election in the USA will be the most contentious since the 1960s and we should expect a rise in civil unrest. It will turn into a major political battle at the peak of the next wave – 2024.

They simply try to assume this is my personal opinion and they are incapable of looking at the global economy and how it is all connected. Focusing on a single component blinds them from seeing the whole.

I fully appreciate we can bring legal action against them and have sent that question to our lawyers.

Instead of apologizing for his bad calls on govenment bonds, he's just doubling down on his bullshit.

The fact of the matter is that government bond yields of practically every western country (including Greece, Italy etc.) went down and made new lows from ECM 2015 turning point into the ECM 2020 turning point. Exactly the opposite of what Armstrong said about interest rates going higher! Even when the ECB and Fed stopped with QE, the free markets gave bigger trusts in governments.

Also, after Russia entered Syria, Russia (a government), the Syrian regime (a government) and the US (a government) destroyed the ISIS khaliphate, proving that goverments can actually be very capable of accomplishing their goals. Exactly the opposite of what Armstrong has been arguing!

Now Armstrong says that local governments like Chicago are a financial failure. But that has been the case for decades. It doesn't seem to undermine the overal national economies or stock markets, or government bond markets, and not at all causing the sovereign debt crisis what Armstrong predicted. Not sure why he is so obsessed with small local governments. On permabear-site Zerohedge they also whine endlessly about this.

Another thing would be the endless bickering of Armstrong about "ECB destroyed the European bond market". Well, when the ECB didn't do QE we saw in 2012 what happened: yields on Italian, Greek etc bonds went through the roof. That was a destruction of the European bond market. But when the ECB does QE and controls the rates better Armstrong also says the European bond market is destroyed. He wins the argument anyways, because he got both sides covered. How convenient.

[s29]

DO NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET and NO NEW HIGHS FOR 2019!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAs reversals are like driving a car by looking in the rear vision mirror you can see what’s past but not what’s in front of you so you crash and burn
You WILL lose less money not following his rambling bull shit

Exactly Investors are still waiting for his retest of 2400 S&P which he said in January, or actually new lows in 2019 when the Dow elected a yearly bearish reversal at the end of 2018.

[DanB1]

DO NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET and NO NEW HIGHS FOR 2019!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAs reversals are like driving a car by looking in the rear vision mirror you can see what’s past but not what’s in front of you so you crash and burn
You WILL lose less money not following his rambling bull shit

Exactly Investors are still waiting for his retest of 2400 S&P which he said in January, or actually new lows in 2019 when the Dow elected a yearly bearish reversal at the end of 2018.

You are right. I was one of the stupid that bought the 2018 year end report. Wow, he was so bearish then, fear sells I think. And look at markets now.
When he says this is the most hated bull market in history he must be refering to himself.

[Indyz]

Oh come on!
When a guy is worth a billion dollars, what does he care if he is wrong or right? Cut him some slack, he's been smoking it up with his buddy and co-fraudster Elon Musk.

Its all good

P. S. Please buy a sub, poor guy is losing his shirt in the market

[Gumbi]

DO NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET and NO NEW HIGHS FOR 2019!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAs reversals are like driving a car by looking in the rear vision mirror you can see what’s past but not what’s in front of you so you crash and burn
You WILL lose less money not following his rambling bull shit

Exactly Investors are still waiting for his retest of 2400 S&P which he said in January, or actually new lows in 2019 when the Dow elected a yearly bearish reversal at the end of 2018.

You are right. I was one of the stupid that bought the 2018 year end report. Wow, he was so bearish then, fear sells I think. And look at markets now.
When he says this is the most hated bull market in history he must be refering to himself.

This is not a true breakout and will most likely peak this quarter according to the array. Armstrong is still calling for a retest of support in 2020/2021. So essentially this high is not going to be sustainable which was Armstrong's original forecast.

Not sure how you can complain when we elected a monthly bullish reversal at the end of January 2019, were you simply not paying attention?

[Lindegas]

Cut the crap Gumbi
DO NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET!!!
What didn’t I understand. There was nothing ever said to annul that statement.
When you make that kind of statement and something changes you come out and correct it with another
Not this bullshit that all of his subscribers got it wrong. Except for you cause you have the same manipulative abilities as MA in fact your that close to MA your his clone
When I’m paying for a service and the advice is DO NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET then  which signal do I trade with
His statement overrides his arrays reversal etc and if the arrays reversal etc take precedent then why make that statement to his subscribers who rely on his service for guidance

The statement not to go long can only be understood as this is a fake rally and it will go lower in

No other interpretation exists
So stop squealing about a false break out because that’s exactly what’s unfolded.no new highs for 2019 another incorrect statement
 At best we get a 5% pull back but I’ll bet you we’ll be way higher come March April next year it’s written in the TA already

[Gumbi]

Cut the crap Gumbi
DO NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET!!!
What didn’t I understand. There was nothing ever said to annul that statement.
When you make that kind of statement and something changes you come out and correct it with another
Not this bullshit that all of his subscribers got it wrong. Except for you cause you have the same manipulative abilities as MA in fact your that close to MA your his clone
When I’m paying for a service and the advice is DO NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET then  which signal do I trade with
His statement overrides his arrays reversal etc and if the arrays reversal etc take precedent then why make that statement to his subscribers who rely on his service for guidance

The statement not to go long can only be understood as this is a fake rally and it will go lower in

No other interpretation exists
So stop squealing about a false break out because that’s exactly what’s unfolded.no new highs for 2019 another incorrect statement
 At best we get a 5% pull back but I’ll bet you we’ll be way higher come March April next year it’s written in the TA already

Technically you should "NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET" since we are still due a retest of support...  so you can relax you will still get your buying opportunity. We have a turning point on Q1 2020 which should produce a high and the next on Q4 2020 which should produce a low if weekly reversals are elected from the high on Q1 2020.

You need to start thinking for yourself Armstrong is not the type to hold your hand.

[Kiwibird]

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Technically you should "NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET" since we are still due a retest of support...  so you can relax you will still get your buying opportunity. We have a turning point on Q1 2020 which should produce a high and the next on Q4 2020 which should produce a low if weekly reversals are elected from the high on Q1 2020.

You need to start thinking for yourself Armstrong is not the type to hold your hand.

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https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong-economics-upcoming-events/world-economic-conference/wec-2019-orlando-knockin-on-havens-door-or-the-big-fake-out/

'...Two critical patterns are possible — a 2020 low and rally thereafter, or a 2020 high with respect to the share markets
...everything from Energy to Agriculture is in the staging ground for the next ECM along with precious metals...
...For these reasons, we have some markets preparing for false breakouts and a critical mass approaching in 2020 on such a global scale.
...So are we Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door or the Big Fake Out?

[s29]

Technically you should "NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET" since we are still due a retest of support...  so you can relax you will still get your buying opportunity. We have a turning point on Q1 2020 which should produce a high and the next on Q4 2020 which should produce a low if weekly reversals are elected from the high on Q1 2020.

You need to start thinking for yourself Armstrong is not the type to hold your hand.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong-economics-upcoming-events/world-economic-conference/wec-2019-orlando-knockin-on-havens-door-or-the-big-fake-out/

'...Two critical patterns are possible — a 2020 low and rally thereafter, or a 2020 high with respect to the share markets
...everything from Energy to Agriculture is in the staging ground for the next ECM along with precious metals...
...For these reasons, we have some markets preparing for false breakouts and a critical mass approaching in 2020 on such a global scale.
...So are we Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door or the Big Fake Out?

What a bunch of total Armstrong-baloney.

"Q1 2020 should produce a high" - It's November 2019 now; and we already making new all time highs. How damn high is Q1 2020 going to be? Sounds like a missed trading opportunity, especially from a trader like Armstrong. And how does a Q1 2020 high for God sake rhymes with a ECM-low in 2020? Armstrong told us "the market is in a bearish mode going into 2020 ECM turning point", just recently in August.

And a real low would be lower than the 2018-low. Well, the chances of going below S&P 2350 might be 5% of less, and could only happen if a hard Brexit, Fed starts QT again, full-blown trade war and North Korea nuking a few cities off the worldmap would occur at the same time. Conclusion: Armstrong, Socrates missed the real S&P low in December 2018. Same with gold by the way, it bottomed years ago and the chances of taking out those lows are practically nonexistant. Again, Armstrong and Socrates missed another important low.

Everyone with eyes can see that the stock market and gold were building a base over the past few years, and now finally it's breaking out to new all time highs, completely missed by Armstrong and his Socrates. I also don't understand why Armstrong uses so many words of grandeur to describe this phenomenon (things like "Staging ground", "Critical mass" and "Global scale" - oh wait; is he trying to juice things up to sell something?). Of course, short term we're overbought and we could have to trade at least sideways for a little while, or correct several percent.

He also covers both sides again ("It can be a low, but also a high"). How convenient.

[s29]

You need to start thinking for yourself Armstrong is not the type to hold your hand.

Yes, because investors are losing their skirts because of Armstrong's wide range of bad advices and in the meanwhile Armstrong's both hands are in their pockets taking subscription money.

This is not a true breakout and will most likely peak this quarter according to the array. Armstrong is still calling for a retest of support in 2020/2021. So essentially this high is not going to be sustainable which was Armstrong's original forecast.

Not sure how you can complain when we elected a monthly bullish reversal at the end of January 2019, were you simply not paying attention?

Yes, electing bullish reversals after a humongous move, when the easy move was largely over and the hard part started. Besides, a yearly signal should be way more important than a monthly.

We all know those arrays can be interpreted in 1000 ways, and they are more wrong than right.

[Alex-11]

You need to start thinking for yourself Armstrong is not the type to hold your hand.

exactly. it was mentioned several times in this forum (on on Martin's blog) to not solely rely on the SOC private blog commentary

[dow_wizard]

Thank you for exposing MA.

I read MA's blog for almost 10 years and was one of early subscribers to Socrates. I canceled my subscription earlier this year because of terrible trading results.

Martin Armstrong is a fraud and you will lose money following his advice.

[Lindegas]

Ok I put my hand up I was wrong and MA was right
I misunderstood the no new HIGH comment
what he meant was there won’t be A new HIGH in 2019 there will be multiple new HIGHS
There fixed it.

[Alex-11]

Martin Armstrong is a fraud and you will lose money following his advice.

1. It's not fraud to loose money on a financial advice of somebody else. This happens many times and only in certain circumstances it may be fraud
2. It sounds like you made the same mistake as Lindegas and others here. Relying primarily on statements on the private blog.
3. eventually you didn't noticed the issues with Socrates that were discussed here in this forum and another forum.

[DanB1]

DO NOT GO LONG THIS MARKET and NO NEW HIGHS FOR 2019!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAs reversals are like driving a car by looking in the rear vision mirror you can see what’s past but not what’s in front of you so you crash and burn
You WILL lose less money not following his rambling bull shit

Exactly Investors are still waiting for his retest of 2400 S&P which he said in January, or actually new lows in 2019 when the Dow elected a yearly bearish reversal at the end of 2018.

You are right. I was one of the stupid that bought the 2018 year end report. Wow, he was so bearish then, fear sells I think. And look at markets now.
When he says this is the most hated bull market in history he must be refering to himself.

This is not a true breakout and will most likely peak this quarter according to the array. Armstrong is still calling for a retest of support in 2020/2021. So essentially this high is not going to be sustainable which was Armstrong's original forecast.

Not sure how you can complain when we elected a monthly bullish reversal at the end of January 2019, were you simply not paying attention?

So, more waiting. Now we have to wait untill Q1 2020 and then see if it will be a high or a low (as it is a turning point). So how should one invest on such information? Daily and Weekly reversals are noise according to MA so let's wait some more untill the monthly and quarterly reversals....
And then we miss the rally and indeed for his subscribers this rally becomes the most hated bull market in history as they have been on the sidelines.

[dow_wizard]

Martin Armstrong is a fraud and you will lose money following his advice.

1. It's not fraud to loose money on a financial advice of somebody else. This happens many times and only in certain circumstances it may be fraud
2. It sounds like you made the same mistake as Lindegas and others here. Relying primarily on statements on the private blog.
3. eventually you didn't noticed the issues with Socrates that were discussed here in this forum and another forum.

Alex-11, just to clarify. You do not have to feel obligated to come up with invalid 1, 2 and 3 excuses as you do not know my situation.

For everyone who is looking to find out the truth about Martin Armstrong, I will repeat again.

After listening to Martin Armstrong for many years and trading based on Socrates, I came to the conclusion that Martin Armstrong is a fraud and you will lose money following his advice.

And I would like to thank the participants of this forum for exposing Martin Armstrong as a con artist and Socrates as a fraud.

[Alex-11]

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It's very easy to accuse somebody without providing any details whatsoever. You simply say that you follow MA for 10 years (just like AnonymusCoder) and that is the reason we shall simply believe you?  Other people in the thread always ask everybody to prove statements, but I guess in your case they make an exception.

[AnonymousCoder]

This is a forum where Martin Armstrong and Socrates have been discredited thoroughly. With facts. The chapter is closed.

In the process,
Alex-11,
Gumbi,
over45,
Strike Eagle 26,
Jason100,
these diehard fact-free Martin Armstrong supporters have been discredited as well, ridiculed, and as a consequence, almost none of them are posting here any more.



Martin Armstrong is a charlatan, and he spent 11 years in jail for that reason but he has not changed.

Read this blog starting here to find out more about computerized fraud.


See armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com for a more compact view of major findings posted in this blog.

[dibley8899]

Hello all and everyone seems to be doing a good job here. We also forgot he is looking for sub 1000 gold late last year and did a blog about it as well, heho just another 25% miss.

It would be great to see some of the year end report that was mentioned that completely missed the low.

Now he tells us that the latest group therapy meeting was a sell out and oversubscribed yet he chooses to put an old picture on the blog post🤠🤠🤠.

He’s written a book for Xmas, I think it’s a fairytale.....

You tube videos  are getting fewer and fewer as he’s running out of assets that he called correctly.

Cheers