Martin Armstrong Discussion

[nattybear]

Or your phatom reversals that were debunked by the reversals being in the dashboard as pointed out by alex.

Debunked? Hardly... There is so much inconsistency across the multiple portals on the Socrates website. Indeed reversals would appear/disappear in the Reversals section, the textual commentary, and the main dashboard.

I had emailed Socrates support about this NUMEROUS times and they had no explanation nor could they suggest which one was correct. Which is exactly the reason why historical study of reversals is not adequate. Indicative perhaps. But for useful analysis it has to be future tested... Which takes us back to the same point that's been highlighted consistently... Someone just needs to show the evidence!

[olegrey]

Or your phatom reversals that were debunked by the reversals being in the dashboard as pointed out by alex.

Debunked? Hardly... There is so much inconsistency across the multiple portals on the Socrates website. Indeed reversals would appear/disappear in the Reversals section, the textual commentary, and the main dashboard.

I had emailed Socrates support about this NUMEROUS times and they had no explanation nor could they suggest which one was correct. Which is exactly the reason why historical study of reversals is not adequate. Indicative perhaps. But for useful summary it has to be future tested... Which takes us back to the same point that's been asked consistency... Someone just needs to show the evidence!

Do you mind providing some examples of the inconsistently posted reversals?

If you look at last page you will see that I have started a new study doing live trades.  We'll see how it goes.

[AnonymousCoder]

Do you mind providing some examples of the inconsistently posted reversals?

No problem. Daily to match. Trading period one day.

Daily report: 2019-07-10

Daily planned bullish elected: Apple
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 20314 close: 20323, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 20175, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: Abbott Laboratories
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 8533 close: 8538, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 8577, winning: true
Daily planned bullish elected: Amazon
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 201617 close: 201741, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 200107, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: London IPE Brent Crude Cash
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 6580 close: 6701, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 6652, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: Coeur Min
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 435 close: 464, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 442, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected:NASDAQ Composite Index Cash
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 815046 close: 820253, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 819604, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: Dow Jones Industrials
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 2678757 close: 2686020, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 2708808, winning: true
Daily planned bullish elected: Market Vectors Junior Gold Miner
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 3510 close: 3590, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 3528, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: Argentina Stock Index
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 4183549 close: 4280708, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 4285629, winning: true
Daily planned bearish elected: Mechel
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bearish: 207 close: 203, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 205, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: Norilsk
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 2252 close: 2262, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 2254, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: Natural Resource Partners
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 3550 close: 3647, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 3471, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: NYSE FANG Index
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 261417 close: 262125, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 262322, winning: true
Daily planned bullish elected: Pretium Rcs
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 1050 close: 1069, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 1051, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: Russian Traded Stock Index
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 140550 close: 140764, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 139888, winning: false
Daily planned bearish elected: Bombay Stock Exchange Index Cash
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bearish: 3865160 close: 3855704, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 3882311, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: Italy Banca Commercial
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 21912 close: 22045, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 22169, winning: true
Daily planned bearish elected: TATA Motors
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bearish: 1116 close: 1114, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 1134, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: Uranium Energy
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 142 close: 143, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 144, winning: true
Daily planned bearish elected: US Dollar v Swiss Franc Spot
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bearish: 99100 close: 98950, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 99040, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: VALE Vale
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 1358 close: 1381, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 1384, winning: true
Daily planned bullish elected: Utilities Select Sector SPDR Fun
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 6093 close: 6099, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 6101, winning: true
Daily planned bullish elected: Oil & Gas Stock Index
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 127843 close: 127873, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 128448, winning: true
Daily planned bullish elected: NY Crude Oil Futures
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 5958 close: 6043, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 6020, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: NY Heating Oil Futures
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 19752 close: 19978, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 19855, winning: false
Daily planned bullish elected: NY Natural Gas Futures
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bullish: 2427 close: 2444, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 2416, winning: false
Daily planned bearish elected: CBT US 30 Yr T Bonds
Period 1 Current: 2019-07-10, bearish: 154260 close: 154210, Next: 2019-07-11, close: 153170, winning: true
####### plannedBullishElectedCount: 22
####### plannedBullishWinningCount: 9
####### plannedBullishLosingCount: 13
####### plannedBearishElectedCount: 5
####### plannedBearishWinningCount: 1
####### plannedBearishLosingCount: 4


Random at best
Martin Armstrong is a charlatan, and he spent 11 years in jail for that reason but he has not changed.

Read this blog starting here to find out more about computerized fraud.


See armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com for a more compact view of major findings posted in this blog.

Every single defrauded person should report their case, see Where and how to complain

[olegrey]

I would like to see forecasts made where the criteria is set in advance, OR live trades with entry and intended exit posted. If an Armstrong proponent does not wish to do so, that is fine. But no other method of proof will be acceptable, so if they wish to prove something, please use that method.

My method depends on buying after the election of a reversal on the close and selling after a certain time frame  rules.  Some trades will give 1% gains and others will give .004% gains.  I'm not really sure how I would give intended entry and exits with the system I use.  Any suggestions would be welcomed.

[nattybear]

In addition - below is extracts of one of my email exchanges with support.

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On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 19:29:45 +0700 <XXX>  wrote ---- 
#original_sender {XXX}
From: XXX
Email: XXX

Topic: Bug or Error

Message: Hello, I'm writing to ask about the use of data and commentary. I'm finding that there is either missing or contradictory information between the commentary and reversals. This is more prominent in the daily commentary and reversals however also present in the weekly commentary/reversals occasionally. For example, the current market commentary (Fri 5th April) for the DJIA currently lists daily and weekly reversals which are NOT showing in the reversals segment. There have also been recent occasions where a reversal was listed on the Reversals segment (was elected) then subsequently disappeared from the segment. 

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Their reply was generic and was more or less "data is accurate, trade when time and price meet, data is getting synced"

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On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 6:24:13 +0700 ""<XXX>  wrote ----
#original_sender {XXX}
From: XXX
Email: XXX

This (you didn't) doesn't answer my question... WHEN should we expect the data to be accurate across all segments?

In the interim I don't have any idea which set of data to trade with confidently. You don't seem to appreciate that unless the data points are consistent across all segments then there is a foundational issue with your system.

[AnonymousCoder]

Socrates is Rubbish whichever way you look at it

I get confirmation of it every half hour.

Or your phatom reversals that were debunked by the reversals being in the dashboard as pointed out by alex.

Debunked? Hardly... There is so much inconsistency across the multiple portals on the Socrates website. Indeed reversals would appear/disappear in the Reversals section, the textual commentary, and the main dashboard.

I had emailed Socrates support about this NUMEROUS times and they had no explanation nor could they suggest which one was correct. Which is exactly the reason why historical study of reversals is not adequate. Indicative perhaps. But for useful analysis it has to be future tested... Which takes us back to the same point that's been highlighted consistently... Someone just needs to show the evidence!

As you can see nobody can even tell you which source of data is correct. If the results of all my numerical analysis turn out to be wrong because the data is wrong, that does not mean that the system is good, not does it mean that my methods are wrong. You have to look at my overall expert conclusion which is NOT based on the numbers alone, and that is still spot on. It could have only been invalidated by someone demonstrating consistently winning trades posted in advance as requested here so many times. It hasn't happened so the case is closed for now.

Martin Armstrong is a charlatan, and he spent 11 years in jail for that reason but he has not changed.

Read this blog starting here to find out more about computerized fraud.


See armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com for a more compact view of major findings posted in this blog.

Every single defrauded person should report their case, see Where and how to complain

[olegrey]

In addition - below is extracts of one of my email exchanges with support.

----

On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 19:29:45 +0700 <XXX>  wrote ---- 
#original_sender {XXX}
From: XXX
Email: XXX

Topic: Bug or Error

Message: Hello, I'm writing to ask about the use of data and commentary. I'm finding that there is either missing or contradictory information between the commentary and reversals. This is more prominent in the daily commentary and reversals however also present in the weekly commentary/reversals occasionally. For example, the current market commentary (Fri 5th April) for the DJIA currently lists daily and weekly reversals which are NOT showing in the reversals segment. There have also been recent occasions where a reversal was listed on the Reversals segment (was elected) then subsequently disappeared from the segment. 

----

Their reply was generic and was more or less "data is accurate, trade when time and price meet, data is getting synced"

----

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 6:24:13 +0700 ""<XXX>  wrote ----
#original_sender {XXX}
From: XXX
Email: XXX

This (you didn't) doesn't answer my question... WHEN should we expect the data to be accurate across all segments?

In the interim I don't have any idea which set of data to trade with confidently. You don't seem to appreciate that unless the data points are consistent across all segments then there is a foundational issue with your system.

I'm going to go with the reversals posted it the dashboard and see how it goes

[unwashed]

I should of mentioned this yesterday but with trades on the floor I didn't want to jinx it lol. Yesterday was a pure SELL THE NEWS on the Feds rate cut and the NFP on Friday which is always a market mover. Today is typical 2 Day reversal in TA and moves to reclaim the 27K breakout.

This is the problem with MA system it doesn't take sentiment into consideration and you get whipsawed to death. You can't just play it by the numbers for day or short term trading.

[Alex-11]

I'm going to go with the reversals posted it the dashboard and see how it goes

Please note that it's not the table near the Stochastics, Indicating Range or Energy indicator widgets. This has the same data then the one in the Reversals tab.
Look further down in the Analysis text.

there is says:
Daily/weekly  REVERSAL TABLE
MINOR | MAJOR
BULLISH | BEARISH | BULLISH | BEARISH

This is the one I meant.

[AnonymousCoder]

I should of mentioned this yesterday but with trades on the floor I didn't want to jinx it lol. Yesterday was a pure SELL THE NEWS on the Feds rate cut and the NFP on Friday which is always a market mover. Today is typical 2 Day reversal in TA and moves to reclaim the 27K breakout.

This is the problem with MA system it doesn't take sentiment into consideration and you get whipsawed to death. You can't just play it by the numbers for day or short term trading.

The DOW is already back in the channel. I traded it as it was supposed to be traded with a 10% gain because I was short before the news and I was out this morning. As you say, Socrates trades the fake breakout and produces whipsaw. Buy the high sell the low as I wrote before. And it cannot figure out whether the market is going sideways or trending. It is as simple as that. The olegray trade is a loss already.

Martin Armstrong is a charlatan, and he spent 11 years in jail for that reason but he has not changed.

Read this blog starting here to find out more about computerized fraud.


See armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com for a more compact view of major findings posted in this blog.

Every single defrauded person should report their case, see Where and how to complain

[nattybear]

I'm going to go with the reversals posted it the dashboard and see how it goes

Please note that it's not the table near the Stochastics, Indicating Range or Energy indicator widgets. This has the same data then the one in the Reversals tab.
Look further down in the Analysis text.

there is says:
Daily/weekly  REVERSAL TABLE
MINOR | MAJOR
BULLISH | BEARISH | BULLISH | BEARISH

This is the one I meant.

Except this also changes... My correspondence highlighted that and support was not able to confirm that this is the correct source to reference.

In April there was a bullish reversal elected that appeared in the textual analysis and the reversals segment which then disappeared a day later. From ALL areas.

[unwashed]

I would like to see forecasts made where the criteria is set in advance, OR live trades with entry and intended exit posted. If an Armstrong proponent does not wish to do so, that is fine. But no other method of proof will be acceptable, so if they wish to prove something, please use that method.

My method depends on buying after the election of a reversal on the close and selling after a certain time frame  rules.  Some trades will give 1% gains and others will give .004% gains.  I'm not really sure how I would give intended entry and exits with the system I use.  Any suggestions would be welcomed.

Sell, Right now or loose more money, this market is heading higher and if the NFP is a big number it could be huge. Rate cut+ Big NFP= New highs.

[AnonymousCoder]

...
@AnonymousCoder... You've added a lot of value and done well at exposing the serious and multiple flaws in MA/Socrates.

In order for this to gain more traction and broader recognition then people need to be able to evaluate and come to the same conclusion. As was the case with so many people already on this blog who have studied, attempted, and seen the holes in the system and MA's commentary.

Assisting them in that process is the best way of achieving wider acknowledgement as opposed to a combative angle.

The problem is now: It is very obvious that "evaluating" costs serious subscription money which people like me have already spent, and that money is down the drain for most people anyway because what they get is STILL not enough. And who has years of time to come to a conclusion which will inevitably be similar to mine?


I have given assistance on different levels. Answering all questions except sharing my entire data cache which is what olegrey insisted on. That is not possible for some reasons.

I have seen where olegrey challenged the data I have provided by simply changing the trading period - effectively curve fitting it. People are free to do that, but they inevitably pay a price. If people still think they can get some profit out of a "system" sold by an outfit that is run by a charlatan with a criminal record, they deserve my sarcasm.

Martin Armstrong is a charlatan, and he spent 11 years in jail for that reason but he has not changed.

Read this blog starting here to find out more about computerized fraud.


See armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com for a more compact view of major findings posted in this blog.

Every single defrauded person should report their case, see Where and how to complain

[Alex-11]

This is the problem with MA system it doesn't take sentiment into consideration and you get whipsawed to death. You can't just play it by the numbers for day or short term trading.

MA does mention this in his disclaimer. Use other source of information as well, not only Socrates exclusively. This is especially true on the daily level.
Either don't trade on such days only after Socrates numbers (which you did) or you have to know exactly what you are doing (comes from trading knowledge and experience) and apply a specific trading strategy for such volatile days.

Except this also changes... My correspondence highlighted that and support was not able to confirm that this is the correct source to reference.

So far I can't remember that I had one single issue with that reversals table.
In April there were in general  a few more bugs. Some of the bugs have been fixed. I might have to a sync issue that got fixed later.

[unwashed]

I should of mentioned this yesterday but with trades on the floor I didn't want to jinx it lol. Yesterday was a pure SELL THE NEWS on the Feds rate cut and the NFP on Friday which is always a market mover. Today is typical 2 Day reversal in TA and moves to reclaim the 27K breakout.

This is the problem with MA system it doesn't take sentiment into consideration and you get whipsawed to death. You can't just play it by the numbers for day or short term trading.

The DOW is already back in the channel. I traded it as it was supposed to be traded with a 10% gain because I was short before the news and I was out this morning. As you say, Socrates trades the fake breakout and produces whipsaw. Buy the high sell the low as I wrote before. And it cannot figure out whether the market is going sideways or trending. It is as simple as that. The olegray trade is a loss already.

Read this blog starting at page 273 to find out more about computerized fraud

See https://armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com for a more compact view of major findings posted in this blog

Nice trade, I didn't participate but it was so obvious.

[MA_talk]

The DOW elected the bearish daily reversal at 27068.78 with the Dow closing at 26864.3, a 0.76% difference.  I have bought DOG which is an inverse ETF for the dow.  

Are holding your short for three days now because you concluded that this should be the trading period?

Read this blog starting at page 273 to find out more about computerized fraud

See https://armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com for a more compact view of major findings posted in this blog

I am holding according to these rules:

Trading Rules:
Stop loss is set at the nearest opposite reversal, but only a closing basis for the selected timeunit

If elected reversal is less than 1%:
•   Sell on second timeunit closing if true
•   Sell on third timeunit closing if second is false and third is true
•   Sell on third timeunit closing if all three timeunits are false
•   Sell on first timeunit closing if true and the corresponding opening to closing is opposite the elected reversal (bearish for an elected bullish and
        bullish for an elected bearish reversal)

If elected reversal is less more than 1%:
•   If first timeunit is true, sell on second timeunit
•   If first timeunit is false and second is true, check if the first closing is above the reversal for bullish or below for bearish.  If so this is a "successful
        retest" of the reversal.  Sell on third timeunit (second after the "retest")
•   If all three timeunits are false, wait unit the closing is above the election of a reversal, a "successful closing", for the corresponding timeunit, (ex.
        Monthly closing for elected monthly reversals, weekly closing for weekly reversals, daily closing for elected daily closing) Sell two timeunits after
        the "successful closing"

For all elected reversals:
•   If the first timeunit is a doji candle but true, sell
•   If another reversal is elected on or before the "sell timeunit", then the time is reset for the previous elected reversal, add to position and follow the
        rules for the latest elected reversal for all positions.  This signal overpowers all other signals
•   If multiple successive reversals are elected and the closing of the first timeunit of the latest reversal is a doji candle that closes very close to the
        election closing, sell all positions (works for bullish to bullish, bearish to bearish, bullish to bearish, and bearish to bullish)

@olegrey, since you did NOT state what's your time unit, and you took your trade not at the CLOSING of the week, and you are using DAILY reversals, I'm assuming that your time unit is DAY for your trade.

You also need to post the reversals, for people to evaluate your entry/exit criteria.

CLEAR trading rules respect to buy/sell CAN be evaluated and tested.  Armstrong NEVER posted any complete set of trading rules can be evaluated, since he simply intends to claim excellence through muddy water.

I'm assuming that the ABOVE trading rules apply to EXIT.  And your ENTRY was based on the ELECTED bearish reversal ON July 31st for Dow's closing at 26864.27.

Based on your first/second/third counts above, and the elected reversal was less than 1%, I assume that you will be EXITING the trade within 3 days according to your rule.

Once you close your trade within 3 days, please explain which of the above rule was selected.

Then we can repeat your experiment for more times to see how well it works.

[olegrey]

The DOW elected the bearish daily reversal at 27068.78 with the Dow closing at 26864.3, a 0.76% difference.  I have bought DOG which is an inverse ETF for the dow.  

Are holding your short for three days now because you concluded that this should be the trading period?

Read this blog starting at page 273 to find out more about computerized fraud

See https://armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com for a more compact view of major findings posted in this blog

I am holding according to these rules:

Trading Rules:
Stop loss is set at the nearest opposite reversal, but only a closing basis for the selected timeunit

If elected reversal is less than 1%:
•   Sell on second timeunit closing if true
•   Sell on third timeunit closing if second is false and third is true
•   Sell on third timeunit closing if all three timeunits are false
•   Sell on first timeunit closing if true and the corresponding opening to closing is opposite the elected reversal (bearish for an elected bullish and
        bullish for an elected bearish reversal)

If elected reversal is less more than 1%:
•   If first timeunit is true, sell on second timeunit
•   If first timeunit is false and second is true, check if the first closing is above the reversal for bullish or below for bearish.  If so this is a "successful
        retest" of the reversal.  Sell on third timeunit (second after the "retest")
•   If all three timeunits are false, wait unit the closing is above the election of a reversal, a "successful closing", for the corresponding timeunit, (ex.
        Monthly closing for elected monthly reversals, weekly closing for weekly reversals, daily closing for elected daily closing) Sell two timeunits after
        the "successful closing"

For all elected reversals:
•   If the first timeunit is a doji candle but true, sell
•   If another reversal is elected on or before the "sell timeunit", then the time is reset for the previous elected reversal, add to position and follow the
        rules for the latest elected reversal for all positions.  This signal overpowers all other signals
•   If multiple successive reversals are elected and the closing of the first timeunit of the latest reversal is a doji candle that closes very close to the
        election closing, sell all positions (works for bullish to bullish, bearish to bearish, bullish to bearish, and bearish to bullish)

@olegrey, since you did NOT state what's your time unit, and you took your trade not at the CLOSING of the week, and you are using DAILY reversals, I'm assuming that your time unit is DAY for your trade.

You also need to post the reversals, for people to evaluate your entry/exit criteria.

CLEAR trading rules respect to buy/sell CAN be evaluated and tested.  Armstrong NEVER posted any complete set of trading rules can be evaluated, since he simply intends to claim excellence through muddy water.

I'm assuming that the ABOVE trading rules apply to EXIT.  And your ENTRY was based on the ELECTED bearish reversal ON July 31st for Dow's closing at 26864.27.

Based on your first/second/third counts above, and the elected reversal was less than 1%, I assume that you will be EXITING the trade within 3 days according to your rule.

Once you close your trade within 3 days, please explain which of the above rule was selected.

Then we can repeat your experiment for more times to see how well it works.

I posted my live trade on on page 308

[olegrey]

...
@AnonymousCoder... You've added a lot of value and done well at exposing the serious and multiple flaws in MA/Socrates.

In order for this to gain more traction and broader recognition then people need to be able to evaluate and come to the same conclusion. As was the case with so many people already on this blog who have studied, attempted, and seen the holes in the system and MA's commentary.

Assisting them in that process is the best way of achieving wider acknowledgement as opposed to a combative angle.

The problem is now: It is very obvious that "evaluating" costs serious subscription money which people like me have already spent, and that money is down the drain for most people anyway because what they get is STILL not enough. And who has years of time to come to a conclusion which will inevitably be similar to mine?


I have given assistance on different levels. Answering all questions  except sharing my entire data cache which is what olegrey insisted on. That is not possible for some reasons.

I have seen where olegrey challenged the data I have provided by simply changing the trading period - effectively curve fitting it. People are free to do that, but they inevitably pay a price. If people still think they can get some profit out of a "system" sold by an outfit that is run by a charlatan with a criminal record, they deserve my sarcasm.

Read this blog starting at page 273 to find out more about computerized fraud

See https://armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com for a more compact view of major findings posted in this blog

You don't need to share your entire data cache, I'll take whatever you're willing to give

[olegrey]

The DOW elected the daily bearish reversal of 26665.56 with a closing of 26583.4.  I have bought another order of DOG.  The previous order is now reset to this elected reversal's timing

[AnonymousCoder]

You don't need to share your entire data cache, I'll take whatever you're willing to give

Sorry, I am finished with he whole subject. Everything has to come to an end somehow. I have wasted years of my life with this, and I have my own conclusions which are now more valuable to me than ever before. One is that the deeper you dig into the Armstrong data, the more confusing it gets.

The simple reason is that ALL data, be it reversals, forecast arrays, energy, pivots, whatever you call it, comes from the same time series. This is very primitive, and far from what Martin Armstrong claims about his computer which is that it correlates everything with everything. No way. That is a lie. Armstrong is really a simpleton and he does not have an understanding of scientific methods. He just uses certain words like a good salesman.

If I provided more data then I would just encourage people to do the same thing that Armstrong does, trying to derive more information from this single dimension, his data that was derived again only from a single time series, taking this ridiculous process even further to the next level. It would be crazy. There is only so much information in a single piece of data and re-processing it over and over through different filters once again will not make you any wiser.

In other words, there is no way that the history of a single time series of a stock market index can possibly predict that the FED does not cut interest rates enough so the market declines, then recovers, and then later Trump tweets that he will impose another 300 Billion of China tariffs, therefore driving the index lower once again. Someone who claims that this can be done is a liar, and we know who that is.

So, I hope that you appreciate that I am not sharing any more data. In order to put an end to this nonsense at least from my end because people will waste time trying to get something useful out of it for their advantage which I know is not possible.

And I am fairly confident that you are not going to get the data from anywhere else because Armstrong will do whatever it takes to avoid it because it would reveal what a scam Socrates is. Well as far as he can because as a programmer he is incompetent. Otherwise, being a complete outsider, I would not be allowed to develop the means to get all the data I want from that "system". I am gone.

Martin Armstrong is a charlatan, and he spent 11 years in jail for that reason but he has not changed.

Read this blog starting here to find out more about computerized fraud.


See armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com for a more compact view of major findings posted in this blog.

Every single defrauded person should report their case, see Where and how to complain