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July 09, 2014, 04:46:51 PM
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Many accurately predicted delivery date exactly including what appears to be a pause.
Please show your homework for this statement, as it certainly doesn't ring true for people who read this thread fully and regularly.

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July 09, 2014, 05:25:21 PM
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Many accurately predicted delivery date exactly including what appears to be a pause.
Please show your homework for this statement, as it certainly doesn't ring true for people who read this thread fully and regularly.
I was certainly under the illusion that KFC would ship in q1. When BC said they were still in development in Jan then it finally dawned on me that Avenger was right. I promptly asked for a refund sadly realizing that it would never ROI if it were not released in q1.
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July 09, 2014, 06:19:03 PM
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Many accurately predicted delivery date exactly including what appears to be a pause.
Please show your homework for this statement, as it certainly doesn't ring true for people who read this thread fully and regularly.
I was certainly under the illusion that KFC would ship in q1. When BC said they were still in development in Jan then it finally dawned on me that Avenger was right. I promptly asked for a refund sadly realizing that it would never ROI if it were not released in q1.
Same here... Does anyone remember when they announced re-submission of the code First week of Jan? If they had finished the shuttle service, and didn't have to re-submit the code, then the timeframe would have been much shorter. "  I know you remember Faetos.... hehe  (post at bottom)

"we have completely re-written and optimised the RTL code"

*Obviously, anyone who ordered most likely thought we would get Neppies shipping way before the last day of Q2.  We had every reason to believe that late Q1 was a possibility. I don't think it was intentional, I think there was problems with the chip, which is also why we are hashing with 5 boxes per Neppie, instead of a single tidy box like Jupiter. The code re-submission wreaked havoc on the timeline and case design
Everyone saying they planned to screw us ahead of time is like saying they knew about Gox in 1976 imho.  

KNC did what they could there...  We wouldn't even be discussing this though if KNC had been more transparent and forthcoming on what was happening. It's too bad we live in a time when "secrecy" is held in such high regard by those doing the developing/manufacturing, but when there's tens of millions at stake I can understand development secrecy.
My biggest "Peeve" is the cloud-hashing farm. That hurts customers in every way.


"The post"....
1421 pages. I wonder what percentage of that content is OT.

on topic - KnC - I want an update on the status of the Neptunes, please.

Neptunes are still very much in the preliminary design phase. As much as the timeline will be reduced significantly in comparison to a standard engineering project at 20nm, if such exists, because this is absolute bleeding edge we want to be absolutely sure what we commit to silicon will ensure a successful product at the end. This initial phase will not be rushed.

That said we have completely re-written and optimised the RTL code. The Jupiter project was very much focused upon safe speed to market and the window of opportunity hashing power presented in this present finite period prior to significant competition. The Neptune project whilst adhering to aspects of the aforementioned must focus upon power consumption as it's primary trait if customers (you guys) will be able to compete successfully over a longer period. We know that we are reaching limits on standard household circuits, we want you to remain competitive w.r.t. the unfolding mining landscape and we are all to well aware that electricity costs will come into focus in the not too distant future.

So where we are now is that we have a working FPGA code and are in the process of testing that and tweaking any further refinements before it's submission.

With respect to the speculation above we sold out of Neptune's last night.

*Shortly after this post, we lost BitcoinOrama as a Rep. (last post Jan 20th) Any Guesses why?
My guess=   N.D.A. Violation (Non Disclosure Agreement) resulting in termination without pay. Which would explain why we heard tales of KNC still owing 'Orama a few thousand dollars. Just a guess.


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July 09, 2014, 06:19:52 PM
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Many accurately predicted delivery date exactly including what appears to be a pause.
Please show your homework for this statement, as it certainly doesn't ring true for people who read this thread fully and regularly.

The speculation was all over the place including late and never/impossible and late/never fraud.

Not gonna dig, declare self winner.
My impression of consensus could have easily been personal bias.

That opinion was definately voiced among them and repeated.
Based on my recollection.

And my signature is a disclaimer.

The homework is self graded no need to share BTW.
It's your money, research as little or as much as you choose.

YMMV
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July 09, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
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Many accurately predicted delivery date exactly including what appears to be a pause.
Please show your homework for this statement, as it certainly doesn't ring true for people who read this thread fully and regularly.

The speculation was all over the place including late and never/impossible and late/never fraud.

Not gonna dig, declare self winner.
My impression of consensus could have easily been personal bias.

That opinion was definately voiced among them and repeated.
Based on my recollection.

And my signature is a disclaimer.

The homework is self graded no need to share BTW.
It's your money, research as little or as much as you choose.

YMMV
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Makes claims.
Won't back them up.
Claims victory.

Sounds like you have all the groundwork to start your own asic manufacturing company there  Cheesy

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July 09, 2014, 09:01:44 PM
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Everyone saying they planned to screw us ahead of time is like saying they knew about Gox in 1976 imho.
BS. imho
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July 09, 2014, 09:52:09 PM
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Everyone saying they planned to screw us ahead of time is like saying they knew about Gox in 1976 imho.  
Rubbish.
It was totally predictable (and predicted) that:
a) They would deliver absolutely as late as they could while being able to claim they didn't technically violate their promises
b) They would weasel out of their refund promises of 'at any point up to shipping'

Here is my prediction, from February:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg4950745#msg4950745
You need to read between the lines, the wording is carefully chosen.
Look at the underlined part, as they only said Q1/Q2 delivery they won't be late until July 1st.

I have to contradict here in terms of Batch 1 (CA Batch) & Batch 2 -

Batch 1 ToS state: Q1/Q2 but delivery 3-4 weeks before batch 2 which equals delay = 1st July -3/4 weeks
Batch 2 ToS state: Delivery one month before batch 3 which equals delay= 1st July - roughly 2 month (for batch 1)
Batch 3 ToS state: Delivery Q 2

Not much space for interpretation here. Batch 1 hashing has to start latest around early May to satisfy the ToS of all batches 1-3.

My interpretation:
Batch 1 delivered 1st July.
Batch 2 delivered 3-4 weeks later, but with compensatory cloud hashing from 1st July.
Batch 3 delivered 1 month later, but with compensatory cloud hashing from 1st July.

Batch 1 customers are delivered on time.
They just say to batch 2 and 3 customers "Yes, we were late, but it didn't affect you, because we gave you free hashing to match"

From middle to end of June, your machines will be 'in production', and unable to be refunded.
I'm not posting this to claim I'm some sort of genius, it was really obvious at the time.
Why was it obvious? Because it what they did last time.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

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July 09, 2014, 10:16:36 PM
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Points taken...
Fact remains... if they hadn't had to re-submit the code, Neppies would have been ready sooner.



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July 09, 2014, 10:35:26 PM
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Points taken...
Fact remains... if they hadn't had to re-submit the code, Neppies would have been ready sooner.

That's an assumption, not a fact.
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Points taken...
Fact remains... if they hadn't had to re-submit the code, Neppies would have been ready sooner.

That's an assumption, not a fact.
Okay, fair enough...

For those of you running a shitload of miners, and going long term, this will help....
http://www.galco.com/circuit/harmon.htm


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July 09, 2014, 10:54:06 PM
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KNC thread... omg it so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pe0rNieL-Q

in here.

P.S. I'm the granny in blue  Grin Tongue

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July 09, 2014, 11:14:32 PM
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Everyone saying they planned to screw us ahead of time is like saying they knew about Gox in 1976 imho.
BS. imho

i call bs too...you can say any asic company plans to screw us the miners just from sheer greed...and if you don't believe that well keep buying those high priced non-roi miners Smiley I'll buy'em off you when you come to your senses for a price that will roi Tongue

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July 09, 2014, 11:27:51 PM
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Everyone saying they planned to screw us ahead of time is like saying they knew about Gox in 1976 imho.
BS. imho

i call bs too...you can say any asic company plans to screw us the miners just from sheer greed...and if you don't believe that well keep buying those high priced non-roi miners Smiley I'll buy'em off you when you come to your senses for a price that will roi Tongue
KNC totally front-run their Neptune customers profits building the datorhall. That is why so many people bailed in February. And they were TOTALLY right to. Thumbs up to faetos and others who got out then - I bet none of them regret it, seeing how things turned out.

KNC built a massive datorhall which they said was SOLELY built to make sure customers didn't lose a day of hashing if KNC delivered late (cue jelin homage)  Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Wink Cheesy Cheesy  Shocked Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Wink Wink  Shocked

Now they be late, they pulled the rug from those customers who believed their bullshit promise of "completely free" hashing if they were late.

It's a maximum 45 days hashing if you accept the HWYW. How is that comparible to 3TH rig that might last months or a year?

And it could be as little as a couple of days or a week if KNC can ships you some faulty crap, such are their fraudulent HWYW terms. They can cut it off as soon as they send you a box, even if it's garbage.

Anyway, you all know better than me.

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July 09, 2014, 11:55:39 PM
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This thread has turned into dog shit the same as the company.
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July 10, 2014, 12:38:52 AM
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Go back and re-sharpen that pencil....    I find this hard to believe...   You refunded on the opening day of Neptune preorder and made coin?
The price never went that high at any time during the Neptune pre-order "refund era",
Neptunes went up for preorder on December 2nd, and the price was indeed "peaking" around the 1150 price you quote...
It then went down from that day(was actually that price for only a brief moment that day), and it NEVER returned....   so  how could you have possibly refunded at 1150 and still make coin?  Impossible.  You would have had to have refunded at a LOWER price to make coin on that deal.
It's obvious you came here to join the trolling bandwagon with a fistfull of Bullshit.
If you're gonna make shit up, at least get the numbers right.

I pre-ordered my Neptune on November 26th.

Take your own advice and re-sharpen your pencil.  Start with checking facts before subjecting us to yet another brain-fart here on the forum.

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July 10, 2014, 01:40:16 AM
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Go back and re-sharpen that pencil....    I find this hard to believe...   You refunded on the opening day of Neptune preorder and made coin?
The price never went that high at any time during the Neptune pre-order "refund era",
Neptunes went up for preorder on December 2nd, and the price was indeed "peaking" around the 1150 price you quote...
It then went down from that day(was actually that price for only a brief moment that day), and it NEVER returned....   so  how could you have possibly refunded at 1150 and still make coin?  Impossible.  You would have had to have refunded at a LOWER price to make coin on that deal.
It's obvious you came here to join the trolling bandwagon with a fistfull of Bullshit.
If you're gonna make shit up, at least get the numbers right.

I pre-ordered my Neptune on November 26th.

Take your own advice and re-sharpen your pencil.  Start with checking facts before subjecting us to yet another brain-fart here on the forum.


seriously!

the guy is as dumb as rocks!

Phonie - inaccurate, false statement #17,042 stated as 'fact'

random BTCtalk member - BS, stop lying, stop making things up

phonie - teehee, u found me out. i'll stop now

phonie -  inaccurate, false statement #17,043 stated as 'fact'

random - yet more lies from a simpleton, just stfu!

phonie - poor ewik always getting picked on, heres another false fact that i made up and misunderstood...

random - FFS! this is getting annoying

phonie - teehee,

phonie -  inaccurate, false statement #17,044 stated as 'fact'

random - no, heres why your wrong.."factual stuff'

phonie - me & my brother are fuckin innocent you pathetic bunch of assholes, fuck you all, i hate you and this place and im leaving in a huff now and i'll never fucking come back again - i swear!!, we are the victims here, we have never scammed anyone ever in our life, i mean lives. fuck you all!! not to mention that im super smart and have a background in non-stupidity and i went to university but got picked on by the bigger boys for  inaccurate, false statements #10,319 - #13,727 stated as 'fact' and after i ran all the way home squealing like a stuck piglet i gave away thousands (of orchids) to orphans and tsunami victims and what did you pathetic fucking assholes ever do for society as a whole apart from help me get my 'own' stolen money back from my  brother you heartless, clueless fucking losers!! and 'aussiepete' is a family man and searing had nothing to do with it...

edgar - shut up you liar, put us all 'back' on ignore

phonie - inaccurate, false statement #17,099 stated as 'fact'

random - FFS!!

phonie - tee hee....
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July 10, 2014, 02:04:55 AM
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Go back and re-sharpen that pencil....    I find this hard to believe...   You refunded on the opening day of Neptune preorder and made coin?
The price never went that high at any time during the Neptune pre-order "refund era",
Neptunes went up for preorder on December 2nd, and the price was indeed "peaking" around the 1150 price you quote...
It then went down from that day(was actually that price for only a brief moment that day), and it NEVER returned....   so  how could you have possibly refunded at 1150 and still make coin?  Impossible.  You would have had to have refunded at a LOWER price to make coin on that deal.
It's obvious you came here to join the trolling bandwagon with a fistfull of Bullshit.
If you're gonna make shit up, at least get the numbers right.

I pre-ordered my Neptune on November 26th.

Take your own advice and re-sharpen your pencil.  Start with checking facts before subjecting us to yet another brain-fart here on the forum.

Damned pencil. Still the same outcome tho


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July 10, 2014, 02:25:15 AM
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This thread has turned into dog shit the same as the company.
Yeah, Avenger remains an absolutely self-involved BS artist who near as I can tell must not have an actual job for the time he spends trolling here. Can't say I've been unhappy to see other poeple calling him out on being a useless hole.

I received my Batch 0 in late June. for those keeping track I had a very high (highest I've seen posted) CA batch order number but I paid earlier than a lot of other order numbers I've seen so it definitely seems to be order of payment for shipping.  I'm running it on 3 EVGA 850 G2's.  I was able to dial all the clocks to 500Mhz from 475Mhz with no voltage changes, though I'm sure I'd have more stable cores if I tweaked voltages.  It's just too tedious to bother with for what is most likely statistical noise in terms of performance.  The 850 G2's are stable and haven't had any difficulties.  The cables get a bit warm but nothing to get excited about. I suspect that using the first plug on the dual-plug VGA cables helps with this, and they seem to have done a good job crimping the connectors.  If anything, Neptune has revealed which power supply vendors consistently crime their connectors properly. My 12 hour average on Eligius is slightly over 3.5Th/s, so I feel fine about getting more than I paid for in terms of performance.

It'll never ROI in BTC or USD but whatever, it's kind fun to run and in the next couple weeks I'll have it hosted where I don't pay for power... assuming I don't eBay the thing.  I can't blame KNC for my gamble or for the lack of clairvoyance in how much chicom stuff would ship.

I've tried the RC6 and RC9 firmware without seeing dramatic differences. I did notice that after the firmware update it is important to reset the machine to factory defaults through the web interface in order for it to correctly unass its voltage and clock settings.  It would be nice if the advanced page showed the number of active cores associated with each VRM and clock setting so you could see the impact of tweaks. One of the banner photos on the KNC website shows RC-11, but that isn't in their public github yet.

I'd prefer to have BFGminer on it and think it should've shipped with longer serial cables.

I'm somewhat tempted to try to swap my free second Neptune for a Titan just because it would be something slightly different.
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July 10, 2014, 02:49:14 AM
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This thread has turned into dog shit the same as the company.
Yeah, Avenger remains an absolutely self-involved BS artist who near as I can tell must not have an actual job for the time he spends trolling here. Can't say I've been unhappy to see other poeple calling him out on being a useless hole.

I received my Batch 0 in late June. for those keeping track I had a very high (highest I've seen posted) CA batch order number but I paid earlier than a lot of other order numbers I've seen so it definitely seems to be order of payment for shipping.  I'm running it on 3 EVGA 850 G2's.  I was able to dial all the clocks to 500Mhz from 475Mhz with no voltage changes, though I'm sure I'd have more stable cores if I tweaked voltages.  It's just too tedious to bother with for what is most likely statistical noise in terms of performance.  The 850 G2's are stable and haven't had any difficulties.  The cables get a bit warm but nothing to get excited about. I suspect that using the first plug on the dual-plug VGA cables helps with this, and they seem to have done a good job crimping the connectors.  If anything, Neptune has revealed which power supply vendors consistently crime their connectors properly. My 12 hour average on Eligius is slightly over 3.5Th/s, so I feel fine about getting more than I paid for in terms of performance.

It'll never ROI in BTC or USD but whatever, it's kind fun to run and in the next couple weeks I'll have it hosted where I don't pay for power... assuming I don't eBay the thing.  I can't blame KNC for my gamble or for the lack of clairvoyance in how much chicom stuff would ship.

I've tried the RC6 and RC9 firmware without seeing dramatic differences. I did notice that after the firmware update it is important to reset the machine to factory defaults through the web interface in order for it to correctly unass its voltage and clock settings.  It would be nice if the advanced page showed the number of active cores associated with each VRM and clock setting so you could see the impact of tweaks. One of the banner photos on the KNC website shows RC-11, but that isn't in their public github yet.

I'd prefer to have BFGminer on it and think it should've shipped with longer serial cables.

I'm somewhat tempted to try to swap my free second Neptune for a Titan just because it would be something slightly different.

Thx Alex.

See you remain a fence-sitting, ball-licking sort of half man.

Cant blame you though.

Make the best you can with what you have is sound advice.

Seeing as how 'no-one knows', how about a few behind closed doors anecdotes from 'HQ'..?

or are you still 'bound & gagged' despite being 'owed grands'

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July 10, 2014, 03:05:17 AM
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Go back and re-sharpen that pencil....    I find this hard to believe...   You refunded on the opening day of Neptune preorder and made coin?
The price never went that high at any time during the Neptune pre-order "refund era",
Neptunes went up for preorder on December 2nd, and the price was indeed "peaking" around the 1150 price you quote...
It then went down from that day(was actually that price for only a brief moment that day), and it NEVER returned....   so  how could you have possibly refunded at 1150 and still make coin?  Impossible.  You would have had to have refunded at a LOWER price to make coin on that deal.
It's obvious you came here to join the trolling bandwagon with a fistfull of Bullshit.
If you're gonna make shit up, at least get the numbers right.

I pre-ordered my Neptune on November 26th.

Take your own advice and re-sharpen your pencil.  Start with checking facts before subjecting us to yet another brain-fart here on the forum.


seriously!

the guy is as dumb as rocks!

Phonie - inaccurate, false statement #17,042 stated as 'fact'

random BTCtalk member - BS, stop lying, stop making things up

phonie - teehee, u found me out. i'll stop now

phonie -  inaccurate, false statement #17,043 stated as 'fact'

random - yet more lies from a simpleton, just stfu!

phonie - poor ewik always getting picked on, heres another false fact that i made up and misunderstood...

random - FFS! this is getting annoying

phonie - teehee,

phonie -  inaccurate, false statement #17,044 stated as 'fact'

random - no, heres why your wrong.."factual stuff'

phonie - me & my brother are fuckin innocent you pathetic bunch of assholes, fuck you all, i hate you and this place and im leaving in a huff now and i'll never fucking come back again - i swear!!, we are the victims here, we have never scammed anyone ever in our life, i mean lives. fuck you all!! not to mention that im super smart and have a background in non-stupidity and i went to university but got picked on by the bigger boys for  inaccurate, false statements #10,319 - #13,727 stated as 'fact' and after i ran all the way home squealing like a stuck piglet i gave away thousands (of orchids) to orphans and tsunami victims and what did you pathetic fucking assholes ever do for society as a whole apart from help me get my 'own' stolen money back from my  brother you heartless, clueless fucking losers!! and 'aussiepete' is a family man and searing had nothing to do with it...

edgar - shut up you liar, put us all 'back' on ignore

phonie - inaccurate, false statement #17,099 stated as 'fact'

random - FFS!!

phonie - tee hee....

Best post I've read in weeks

Thanks for that good long chuckle!

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