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July 07, 2014, 05:41:17 PM
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I just noticed your sig:

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My BTC mining address : 1NoRoihSKUCsXy1XKuy5KaFhqZsad1ETUn

You've accepted you've been screwed. Therefore, why all the fuss?

You do realise if you mine 5BTC with a Neptune and the price of BTC skyrockets to $2000/coin, all that means to you is you make back what you spent.

The guys with sense and good timing got back 22BTC for Neptune refunds. And if the price of BTC skyrockets to $2000/coin, they will have pocketed a cool $44,000. With no hassles, no electricity costs, no RMA's etc.

Argue away, but you do know you were screwed by KNC. I don't see why you are defending them. Unless it's Stockholm Syndrome Wink

My signature is humour, has everybody think they won't get ROI.
Predicting the future in Bitcoin mining is not a easy task, you have to take in count BTC price and difficulty (and delays in mining hardware), that are unpredictable.
Lot's of people don't believe it, you're the first one, but I think ROI is possible, in 6 to 12 mouths, for Batch 0, 1 and 2. Specially with the second free miner.

I payed around 13 BTC to get a Neptune (12176,48$ @ 940$/BTC).
Those were mined BTC and I don't care if I loose them.
You will able to follow how much I earned, as I'm going to use the address in my signature.

Anyways, here's a special BTC address for you :
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July 07, 2014, 05:46:22 PM
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I payed around 13 BTC to get a Neptune (12176,48$ @ 940$/BTC).
Those were mined BTC and I don't care if I loose them.
You will able to follow how much I earned, as I'm going to use the address in my signature.

Anyways, here's a special BTC address for you :
Public Key 1G6ge9rLD9B5YZJ9kJn5YVkyTHEueTroLL
Private Key: 5JN7i6afBrGi1bWS1oA7EXPSJBTKgG2S151NH8J79xgF3y5u2xq
Waa waa wee wah! I will keep this, all my life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ws2yuQ_gYQ

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July 07, 2014, 06:34:01 PM
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Anyways, here's a special BTC address for you :
Public Key 1G6ge9rLD9B5YZJ9kJn5YVkyTHEueTroLL
Private Key: 5JN7i6afBrGi1bWS1oA7EXPSJBTKgG2S151NH8J79xgF3y5u2xq
Waa waa wee wah! I will keep this, all my life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ws2yuQ_gYQ
At least you know how to appreciate presents.

My lucky BTC address : 1LoTTerY3WYbGxVRHvh8oDudDdTxFvvqWF
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July 07, 2014, 06:54:13 PM
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Anyways, here's a special BTC address for you :
Public Key 1G6ge9rLD9B5YZJ9kJn5YVkyTHEueTroLL
Private Key: 5JN7i6afBrGi1bWS1oA7EXPSJBTKgG2S151NH8J79xgF3y5u2xq
Waa waa wee wah! I will keep this, all my life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ws2yuQ_gYQ
At least you know how to appreciate presents.
So much so, I have moved my entire bitcoin fortune over to this address right now. It'sa very nice, I like!

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July 07, 2014, 09:02:49 PM
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What are the dimensions of the Neptune board excluding the heat sink, ali plate and so on? Also what are the tallest components on the board and how tall are they?

Thanks


FYI: I don't even have an "in progress" on my order yet; maybe they have decided to honour my refund?

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July 08, 2014, 01:33:00 AM
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What are the dimensions of the Neptune board excluding the heat sink, ali plate and so on? Also what are the tallest components on the board and how tall are they?

Thanks


FYI: I don't even have an "in progress" on my order yet; maybe they have decided to honour my refund?


PCB is 160mm x 135mm
Holes >= 3mm
145mm x 120mm (145 is guess by also subrtacting 15 from 160 as they look uniform in pics.
75mm square pattern for ASIC cooler
(3mm heatsink holes can be an issue with common mounting hardware I drilled my PCBs)
(same as Intel LGA 1155/1156 garden variety heatsinks)

height from ASIC side of PCB
Tallest is cap near power input <25mm
Next is top of ribbon connector at 15mm
Next is power connector ~12mm from PCB to top of locking tab add for operation of tab on PCIe cable.
Next is top of VRMs 7ish mm
ASIC is approx 3mm

YMMV
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July 08, 2014, 02:16:25 AM
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What I did

http://i.imgur.com/M4hAltp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UxAirwg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0P54Tic.jpg

What I would do next time.
(upper right)
http://i.imgur.com/8dEDdmW.jpg

It's a clay sammich on clay bread.

Recipe:
Harvest some clay from along the fan side for improved airflow.
Save it CLEAN in a ziplock.
DO NOT REMOVE AS MUCH AS I DID at first.
You will have 4 more to perfect technique and test.
Cut some slices and place where needed on remaining clay bread.
Bake @ 70C for 6 months on an Ericsson griddle.
Serve open face with local garnish Smiley

Tools needed:
PAPER TOWELS
razor blade
Torx T-10 (with big enough handle and tall enough to easily clear top of heatsink with hand)
Optional/likely, more goo when ya bump the heatsink removing screws.

To remove plate:
Remove cover.
Bend sides out to make room for hand.
Hold base of heatsink in place with one hand while removing screws with other.
SLOWLY lift up on plate at one of the ends of the fingers.
When it starts to lift loosen other finger.
Slow and gentle so as not to remove heatsink when it lets loose.
Once the plate has been tipped a bit the other end is easy to lift.
Lift er up and slide her out for clay harvesting goodness.

Extra harvesting tips:
The remaining clay needs to remain along the outside edge of the plate.
Never lifting it is best if possible, it can droop down during installation and not cover VRM.
(next to sammich in pic)
The plate screws need to tighten all the way down to hold the heatsink flat when re-installing.
Too thick a sammich not better if you crush the VRMs.
Thin sammich all around might help too, thickening on fingers only.

I added a single AC box fan $20.00 USD to help the cubes and ran @ 500 while air cooling with ambient > 83C
The lower right of wish pic shows result of bendage method.
I left the PCB low in the case and left lower clay in place but added some airflow to cool bottom of case.
(my setup was temporary, else lift the PCB up too if possible)

YMMV
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July 08, 2014, 06:44:58 AM
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What I did

http://i.imgur.com/M4hAltp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UxAirwg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0P54Tic.jpg

What I would do next time.
(upper right)
http://i.imgur.com/8dEDdmW.jpg

It's a clay sammich on clay bread.

Recipe:
Harvest some clay from along the fan side for improved airflow.
Save it CLEAN in a ziplock.
DO NOT REMOVE AS MUCH AS I DID at first.
You will have 4 more to perfect technique and test.
Cut some slices and place where needed on remaining clay bread.
Bake @ 70C for 6 months on an Ericsson griddle.
Serve open face with local garnish Smiley

Tools needed:
PAPER TOWELS
razor blade
Torx T-10 (with big enough handle and tall enough to easily clear top of heatsink with hand)
Optional/likely, more goo when ya bump the heatsink removing screws.

To remove plate:
Remove cover.
Bend sides out to make room for hand.
Hold base of heatsink in place with one hand while removing screws with other.
SLOWLY lift up on plate at one of the ends of the fingers.
When it starts to lift loosen other finger.
Slow and gentle so as not to remove heatsink when it lets loose.
Once the plate has been tipped a bit the other end is easy to lift.
Lift er up and slide her out for clay harvesting goodness.

Extra harvesting tips:
The remaining clay needs to remain along the outside edge of the plate.
Never lifting it is best if possible, it can droop down during installation and not cover VRM.
(next to sammich in pic)
The plate screws need to tighten all the way down to hold the heatsink flat when re-installing.
Too thick a sammich not better if you crush the VRMs.
Thin sammich all around might help too, thickening on fingers only.

I added a single AC box fan $20.00 USD to help the cubes and ran @ 500 while air cooling with ambient > 83C
The lower right of wish pic shows result of bendage method.
I left the PCB low in the case and left lower clay in place but added some airflow to cool bottom of case.
(my setup was temporary, else lift the PCB up too if possible)

YMMV
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What's your hashrate @ 500mhz?


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July 08, 2014, 06:58:09 AM
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KNC sont une fraude

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July 08, 2014, 07:40:44 AM
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What's your hashrate @ 500mhz?
Between 3.4 and 3.5, 3.43 or better average after a few hours.
Pool agreed.
2 day test.

Currently with 7 die @ 475 and 13 @ 500
also temporarily uncomfortable VRMs

Code:
root@Neptune:~# api-cgminer devs
Reply was 'STATUS=S,When=1404804335,Code=9,Msg=1 ASC(s),Description=cgminer 4.4.0|ASC=0,Name=KnC,ID=0,Enabled=Y,Status=Alive,Temperature=0.00,MHS av=3343596.88,MHS 5s=2950824.26,MHS 1m=3186486.18,MHS 5m=3378076.26,MHS 15m=3402713.62,Accepted=23880,Rejected=22,Hardware Errors=38523,Utility=22.73,Last Share Pool=0,Last Share Time=1404804327,Total MH=210803810704.0000,Diff1 Work=49082043,Difficulty Accepted=48544768.00000000,Difficulty Rejected=45056.00000000,Last Share Difficulty=2048.00000000,Last Valid Work=1404804335,Device Hardware%=0.0784,Device Rejected%=0.0918,Device Elapsed=63047|'
[STATUS] =>
(
   [STATUS] => S
   [When] => 1404804335
   [C###ode] => 9
   [Msg] => 1 ASC(s)
   [Description] => cgminer 4.4.0
)
[ASC0] =>
(
   [ASC] => 0
   [Name] => KnC
   [ID] => 0
   [Enabled] => Y
   [Status] => Alive
   [Temperature] => 0.00
   [MHS av] => 3343596.88
   [MHS 5s] => 2950824.26
   [MHS 1m] => 3186486.18
   [MHS 5m] => 3378076.26
   [MHS 15m] => 3402713.62
   [Accepted] => 23880
   [Rejected] => 22
   [Hardware Errors] => 38523
   [Utility] => 22.73
   [Last Share Pool] => 0
   [Last Share Time] => 1404804327
   [Total MH] => 210803810704.0000
   [Diff1 Work] => 49082043
   [Difficulty Accepted] => 48544768.00000000
   [Difficulty Rejected] => 45056.00000000
   [Last Share Difficulty] => 2048.00000000
   [Last Valid Work] => 1404804335
   [Device Hardware%] => 0.0784
   [Device Rejected%] => 0.0918
   [Device Elapsed] => 63047
)
root@Neptune:~#

After 17 hours the avg still climbs slowly.

YMMV
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July 08, 2014, 08:13:23 AM
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PCB is 160mm x 135mm
Holes >= 3mm
145mm x 120mm (145 is guess by also subrtacting 15 from 160 as they look uniform in pics.
75mm square pattern for ASIC cooler
(3mm heatsink holes can be an issue with common mounting hardware I drilled my PCBs)
(same as Intel LGA 1155/1156 garden variety heatsinks)

height from ASIC side of PCB
Tallest is cap near power input <25mm
Next is top of ribbon connector at 15mm
Next is power connector ~12mm from PCB to top of locking tab add for operation of tab on PCIe cable.
Next is top of VRMs 7ish mm
ASIC is approx 3mm

YMMV
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Perfect, thanks. Always nice to have dreams of 10x Neptune boards in Novec 7100 for a nice compact 4kW electric water heater.

I have a 225mm diameter thick walled glass jar that would be ideal for purpose. Sounds like five would fit with 30mm gap between no problem but then for ten it would require those capacitors to be removed and re-soldered laying on their sides (plus a crap load of cooling).

u27

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July 08, 2014, 09:26:29 AM
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Isn't it funny how most western hardware manufacturers have gone with large monolithic chip designs that run into all these heat/power density problems, bigger is always better right?
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July 08, 2014, 09:32:37 AM
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BREAKING TITANIC NEWS
by Mr. A. Venger


Actually, just an interesting article for "no refunds" Titanic customers. Cheerful reading 2-6 months b4 it ships  Cheesy

http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-price-decouples-bitcoin-slump-continues/
ROI in trouble?

The biggest problem is the sheer lack of money in litecoin and that other popular alternative cryptocurrency dogecoin.

The combined market cap of the two most popular scrypt altcoins is about $250m, yet KnCMiner was hoping to sell 2,500 Titan miners at $10,000 apiece – and that’s just the first batch of such miners, from a single company.

In other words, if it shipped today, a single batch of KnC’s scrypt miners would cost $25m – roughly 10% of the combined market cap of litecoin and dogecoin.

A glance at those figures reveals that this level of investment in scrypt mining hardware will be hard to justify and maintain in the long run.

Additionally, the added hashing power these miners will bring is likely to further impact prices of scrypt-based altcoins in the near future.

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BREAKING TITANIC NEWS
by Mr. A. Venger


Actually, just an interesting article for "no refunds" Titanic customers. Cheerful reading 2-6 months b4 it ships  Cheesy

http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-price-decouples-bitcoin-slump-continues/
ROI in trouble?

The biggest problem is the sheer lack of money in litecoin and that other popular alternative cryptocurrency dogecoin.

The combined market cap of the two most popular scrypt altcoins is about $250m, yet KnCMiner was hoping to sell 2,500 Titan miners at $10,000 apiece – and that’s just the first batch of such miners, from a single company.

In other words, if it shipped today, a single batch of KnC’s scrypt miners would cost $25m – roughly 10% of the combined market cap of litecoin and dogecoin.

A glance at those figures reveals that this level of investment in scrypt mining hardware will be hard to justify and maintain in the long run.

Additionally, the added hashing power these miners will bring is likely to further impact prices of scrypt-based altcoins in the near future.

"Breaking News"

Scriptminers are not stuck with Litecoin and Dogecoin.
All mining is speculation, not guaranteed income, and everyone knows that; evidently, except you.
There are also well over 300 scrypt-coin to choose from now, with plenty of room for speculation, especially if "coin-hopping",
and many folks are STILL turning a profit with GPU's.
"Market caps" only reflect the total fiat value of a coin at current prices, and have little bearing on what you can make in the long-run.

Why is this even posted here? This should be in the "Mining Speculation" thread.


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July 08, 2014, 01:54:54 PM
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NEWS FLASH

It's the 8th day into Q3 and my order still says "paid".

Payment cleared December 8th; I checked with my bank so that's seven full months.

Come on KnC, it's time to give me my money back!

u27

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July 08, 2014, 03:16:40 PM
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I just noticed your sig:

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My BTC mining address : 1NoRoihSKUCsXy1XKuy5KaFhqZsad1ETUn

You've accepted you've been screwed. Therefore, why all the fuss?

You do realise if you mine 5BTC with a Neptune and the price of BTC skyrockets to $2000/coin, all that means to you is you make back what you spent.

The guys with sense and good timing got back 22BTC for Neptune refunds. And if the price of BTC skyrockets to $2000/coin, they will have pocketed a cool $44,000. With no hassles, no electricity costs, no RMA's etc.

Argue away, but you do know you were screwed by KNC. I don't see why you are defending them. Unless it's Stockholm Syndrome Wink

i got 21 BTC in fiat back from my originally bought Neptune with ~11 BTC. Thank you KNC for giving me the option to refund at around $1150 BTC price. Zero reason for me to hold on to my Neptune order in February when i can just get twice the amount of BTC without the risk of ASIC preorder blues.
Bought 20 BTC when it was ~$40
preordered a Neptune with ~11 BTC
refunded and used the fiat to buy ~21 BTC
zero heartache now about KNC screwing me over.

Funny thing about refunds, they only help the company with confidence of its consumers if they actually stick to their promises and production schedule.

I can guarantee you im not the only one that was keen enough to understand that if you used BTC to order a neptune at the high of the price then you basically locked in selling BTC at that price if you refunded.

Im not surprised they eventually are flipping over their refund policy. They are probably bleeding BTC for fiat like crazy now that it costs twice as much BTC to get fiat refunds into peoples hands.

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July 08, 2014, 03:35:05 PM
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NEWS FLASH

It's the 8th day into Q3 and my order still says "paid".

Payment cleared December 8th; I checked with my bank so that's seven full months.

Come on KnC, it's time to give me my money back!

u27


Is the reason they are not shipping any more products due to the lack of usable chips? They alluded to this in a past newsletter. If their first run produces few usable chips how long would it reasonably take for them to run another batch?
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July 08, 2014, 03:39:49 PM
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NEWS FLASH

It's the 8th day into Q3 and my order still says "paid".

Payment cleared December 8th; I checked with my bank so that's seven full months.

Come on KnC, it's time to give me my money back!

u27


Is the reason they are not shipping any more products due to the lack of usable chips? They alluded to this in a past newsletter. If their first run produces few usable chips how long would it reasonably take for them to run another batch?

Global hashrate jumps 30PH in the same week KNC receives their new chips.  You guys wonder where your hardware is.

/boggle
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July 08, 2014, 06:46:53 PM
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Hi. I am using three 850W PSU (1x corsair RM850 and 2x CoolerMaster V850) to power the neppy. I noticed that the temperature varies on the PCI-E cables: on the CM v850, from PSU side to the Neppy, the temperature decreases along the PCI-E cable: i.e. at the connector to the PSU, it is really hot! in the middle it is warm; and at the neppy side connector it feels normal.



I read some previous posts that someone has the connector or PCI-E cable melted. I am afraid my cable may have the same problems. Why the PCI-E cable is so hot (especially at the PSU connector side)? What should I do to prevent it from melting?

While the two CoolerMaster PSU's pci-e cable is hot, the cable on Corsair RM850 is not warm at all. Why Corsair's cable is much colder than CM's?

Thank you for your attention!

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July 08, 2014, 07:04:17 PM
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NEWS FLASH

It's the 8th day into Q3 and my order still says "paid".

Payment cleared December 8th; I checked with my bank so that's seven full months.

Come on KnC, it's time to give me my money back!

u27


Is the reason they are not shipping any more products due to the lack of usable chips? They alluded to this in a past newsletter. If their first run produces few usable chips how long would it reasonably take for them to run another batch?

Global hashrate jumps 30PH in the same week KNC receives their new chips.  You guys wonder where your hardware is.

/boggle


...and dove straight back down when they shipped.


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