Dargo
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October 19, 2011, 06:40:06 PM |
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BTCguild down now too, suggesting the attack has another source.
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cosurgi
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October 19, 2011, 06:50:42 PM |
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BTCguild down now too, suggesting the attack has another source.
firefox responds differently. all other pools' websites (deepbit,slush,arsbitcoin) are trying to load for minute or longer, then fail. btcguild instantly reports a failure. If it was under ddos it would take about one minute to report failure. From this instant response it looks rather that it was simply taken down. |
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eleuthria
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October 19, 2011, 06:53:23 PM |
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Not my thread but try again on the website, it was instantly reporting a failure because I had to shut down and power back on the server.
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RIP BTC Guild, April 2011 - June 2015
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cosurgi
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October 19, 2011, 06:56:50 PM |
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Not my thread but try again on the website, it was instantly reporting a failure because I had to shut down and power back on the server.
I see 1332.81 GH/s now. All other pools still down. |
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sd
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October 19, 2011, 07:08:24 PM |
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Agree btcguild is not behind this.
So under your logic that means when deepbit and btcguild was getting ddosed it must of been slush that was doing it?
or when guild c and D go down its A's fault.
Nice
Slush said btcguild was somehow related to the attack, not that Eleuthria himself sanctioned it. I don't believe Eleuthria would personally be involved nor do I believe that slush just made this up. My theory is a clan of botnet herding btcguild users thought they would get more coins by taking out the opposition. It's a theory based on no evidence at this point. BTW people solo mine during this outage. If everyone hops onto btcguild they will have a dangerous amount of network power. |
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Nachtwind
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October 19, 2011, 07:12:27 PM |
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We could start bets on what is the "proof" that btcguild might be related. My guess from previous attacks on my pages (unrelated to bitcoin) is that they often came from Hetzner IPs, the same datacenter where BTCGuild is.
So my very simple guess is that a shitload of those computers (Hetzner hosts Provider hosting free PHP pages) may have something like the IOnCannon running.. would look like it is related to BTCGuild..
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eleuthria
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October 19, 2011, 07:14:39 PM |
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Agree btcguild is not behind this.
So under your logic that means when deepbit and btcguild was getting ddosed it must of been slush that was doing it?
or when guild c and D go down its A's fault.
Nice
Slush said btcguild was somehow related to the attack, not that Eleuthria himself sanctioned it. I don't believe Eleuthria would personally be involved nor do I believe that slush just made this up. My theory is a clan of botnet herding btcguild users thought they would get more coins by taking out the opposition. It's a theory based on no evidence at this point. BTW people solo mine during this outage. If everyone hops onto btcguild they will have a dangerous amount of network power. Better yet, everybody should hop to a small pool. Everybody jumping to BTC Guild ends up screwing over our regular users. I've been removing servers from our clusters the last month due to shrinking speeds/profits. We cannot handle 2+ TH/sec like we used to, because it isn't worth keeping up the hardware at this time. That's why I'm looking at cancelling signups (private pool) or a major payout structure change: Get the botnets off and keep our regular users with a stable pool. So please: If you mine on Slush, Deepbit, or BTC Guild, set your backup to a SMALL pool. Not only is it more reliable (the major pool outages are often related), but it avoids putting unexpected heavier load on an already large pool. And of course it's safer for the network to have the hash split between a larger number of nodes. |
RIP BTC Guild, April 2011 - June 2015
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sadpandatech
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October 19, 2011, 07:19:23 PM |
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Agree btcguild is not behind this.
So under your logic that means when deepbit and btcguild was getting ddosed it must of been slush that was doing it?
or when guild c and D go down its A's fault.
Nice
Slush said btcguild was somehow related to the attack, not that Eleuthria himself sanctioned it. I don't believe Eleuthria would personally be involved nor do I believe that slush just made this up. My theory is a clan of botnet herding btcguild users thought they would get more coins by taking out the opposition. It's a theory based on no evidence at this point. BTW people solo mine during this outage. If everyone hops onto btcguild they will have a dangerous amount of network power. Better yet, everybody should hop to a small pool. Everybody jumping to BTC Guild ends up screwing over our regular users. I've been removing servers from our clusters the last month due to shrinking speeds/profits. We cannot handle 2+ TH/sec like we used to, because it isn't worth keeping up the hardware at this time. That's why I'm looking at cancelling signups (private pool) or a major payout structure change: Get the botnets off and keep our regular users with a stable pool. So please: If you mine on Slush, Deepbit, or BTC Guild, set your backup to a SMALL pool. Not only is it more reliable (the major pool outages are often related), but it avoids putting unexpected heavier load on an already large pool. And of course it's safer for the network to have the hash split between a larger number of nodes. All smart moves imho, m8. SMPPS with a lil bit of the buffer added back in as a bonus to faithfuls when/if it grows over a certain size. After the pool takes its cut of course. ;p And, yea an 'invite' type setup might not hurt in the short term. Everyone else can kiss off or find a new home. hard ballin' but may end up being not optional if things continue as they are now.. |
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[Tycho]
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October 19, 2011, 07:21:49 PM |
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What I have seen is Eleuthria is very fast at banning botnets from using his pool and making it so they can't DDOS his pool. I want to mention that "banning" some subnets or IPs via software or normal router/loadbalancer can't do anything for protection against serious DDoS. Some of those attacks were over 2 mpps, with that flow almost ANY hosting provider will just nullroute or disable IPs under attack. (I think that currently BTCguild uses same hosting service as deepbit, so I can say that for sure). And from what I've seen his pool is always the last large pool standing when the other 2-3 large ones go down. |
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eleuthria
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October 19, 2011, 07:24:46 PM |
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What I have seen is Eleuthria is very fast at banning botnets from using his pool and making it so they can't DDOS his pool. I want to mention that "banning" some subnets or IPs via software or normal router/loadbalancer can't do anything for protection against serious DDoS. Some of those attacks were over 2 mpps, with that flow almost ANY hosting provider will just nullroute or disable IPs under attack. (I think that currently BTCguild uses same hosting service as deepbit, so I can say that for sure). And from what I've seen his pool is always the last large pool standing when the other 2-3 large ones go down. Like Tycho said, we use the same ISP. I know he dealt with them heavily back in June when the first round of attacks (that I know of, but I only started in April) hit. They've nullrouted 3 of our frontend servers already, its just a matter of putting up new IPs in front and contacting the ISP telling them whats happening so they hopefully dont' nullroute every IP on your account. The only reason we were hit the least in the last round is because we were able to get a large chunk of IPs blocked prior to the attack. That's helping this time, but as anybody can see, it isn't doing much for BTC Guild's pool servers at the moment (website is back up mostly though). |
RIP BTC Guild, April 2011 - June 2015
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martychubbs
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October 19, 2011, 08:55:02 PM |
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BTCGuild has maintained, and even gained, hash rate during the recent DDoSs of their biggest competitors...smoking gun?  |
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Nachtwind
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October 19, 2011, 08:57:13 PM |
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BTCGuild has maintained, and even gained, hash rate during the recent DDoSs of their biggest competitors...smoking gun? Honestly.. if you argue like that i could point at several incidents where slush or deepbit would have been the only logical aggressors.... |
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dlasher
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October 19, 2011, 09:04:01 PM |
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BTCGuild has maintained, and even gained, hash rate during the recent DDoSs of their biggest competitors...smoking gun? Deepbit has maintained, and even gained hash rate during the recent DDoS of their biggest competitors...Slush has maintained, and even gained hash rate during the recent DDoS of their biggest competitors...{ad nausem} With both clients (cgminer/phoenix) and proxies supporting multiple pools/backup/etc, that conclusion is completely...... wrong.. |
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DiabloD3
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October 19, 2011, 09:34:53 PM |
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Dear thread:
Accuse pools of ddossing other pools again, I will start giving theymos names to ban.
Signed,
Mods who have better things to do than manage children
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DeathAndTaxes
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October 19, 2011, 10:16:55 PM |
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btcguild down
at 1757.85 GH/s ? Remember hashing rate stats are always backwards looking. Computing by looking at either # of shares per last x minutes or number of blocks per last x hours/days. For example btc-watch shows Slush's as 1.28GH/s and slowly declining which obviously is also incorrect. |
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allinvain
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October 19, 2011, 10:23:26 PM |
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*Sigh* These stupid DDoS attacks are getting on my nerves. I wish there was some way to distribute (ie P2P) a mining network.
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allinvain
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October 19, 2011, 10:30:32 PM |
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Awesome! Thanks  I'm going to give it a whirl and if it works reliably it's bye bye mining pools for me. |
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sd
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October 19, 2011, 11:21:17 PM |
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Awesome! Thanks I'm going to give it a whirl and if it works reliably it's bye bye mining pools for me. Distributed mining is a wonderful idea, but I'd like to know if it works as well as any of the big 3 pools in practice. If it does why isn't everyone doing it? |
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slush (OP)
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October 19, 2011, 11:58:46 PM |
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Diablo: I don't believe that you're going to ban somebody who's here everyday almost a year and having pretty good reputation, just because one sentence "btcguild is *somehow* *related* to those attacks" (I didn't tell "btcguild is doing those attacks") and also without listening any evidence for my claims. Trust me that I'm not that guy who's loudly smearing my competitors without any proof.
I just got back to normal Internet (I was writing from my android phone before) and it's 2am here, so give me some time to explain things.
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