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October 19, 2011, 05:47:17 PM
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I have very strong evidence that btcguild.com is somehow related to those DDoS attacks to my pool and deepbit. I'll write later.

"Very Strong Evidence" != "Somehow related" 

Every decently sized pool, large or small, has been attacked this year. Some of them have been outright attacks, others have been pools unable to cope with the sheer volume.

Proof?
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October 19, 2011, 05:49:06 PM
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I have very strong evidence that btcguild.com is somehow related to those DDoS attacks to my pool and deepbit. I'll write later.

"Very Strong Evidence" != "Somehow related" 

Every decently sized pool, large or small, has been attacked this year. Some of them have been outright attacks, others have been pools unable to cope with the sheer volume.

Proof?


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October 19, 2011, 06:03:13 PM
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Hiya. Long time lurker first time poster.

I sit in the BTCGuild IRC channel every day for at least 12 hours a day and no-one has said they dis-like large pools or Deepbit.
In fact some of us Deepbit as our pool. Myself included. The only poeple I have seen that "hate" large pools is RS and his crew.

What I have seen is Eleuthria is very fast at banning botnets from using his pool and making it so they can't DDOS his pool.  And from what I've seen his pool is always the last large pool standing when the other 2-3 large ones go down.
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October 19, 2011, 06:05:08 PM
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Lyeman, well done on copy/paste..



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October 19, 2011, 06:07:56 PM
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I have very strong evidence that btcguild.com is somehow related to those DDoS attacks to my pool and deepbit. I'll write later.

I've talked to the btcguild guy on IRC a few times. I'm pretty ( but not totally ) sure he personally would not get involved in DDOS'ing other pools.

It seems far more likely to me that botnets that use his pool have a great interest in keeping the other pools down.

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October 19, 2011, 06:20:39 PM
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I have very strong evidence that btcguild.com is somehow related to those DDoS attacks to my pool and deepbit. I'll write later.

I've talked to the btcguild guy on IRC a few times. I'm pretty ( but not totally ) sure he personally would not get involved in DDOS'ing other pools.

It seems far more likely to me that botnets that use his pool have a great interest in keeping the other pools down.


  My gut says this is the more than likely scenario as well. Lets hope so.  I just couldn't picture Eleuth putting himself in real life danger by doing soemthing like that. It just doesn't add up........

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October 19, 2011, 06:25:04 PM
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I would put my hands in fire for Eleu..

Been talking a lot to him in the past months and that is one of the very last things he would consider doing...
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October 19, 2011, 06:37:01 PM
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lol, btcguild is now at   1851.73 GH/s

while deepbit, arsbitcoin, slush are all down.

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October 19, 2011, 06:38:42 PM
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Agree btcguild is not behind this.

So under your logic that means when deepbit and btcguild was getting ddosed it must of been slush that was doing it?

or when guild c and D go down its A's fault.

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October 19, 2011, 06:39:11 PM
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If Eleuthria is behind the current DDoS attack on Slush's pool, then Slush is for sure behind the current DDoS attack on Eleuthria's pool.
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October 19, 2011, 06:40:06 PM
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BTCguild down now too, suggesting the attack has another source.
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October 19, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
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BTCguild down now too, suggesting the attack has another source.
firefox responds differently. all other pools' websites (deepbit,slush,arsbitcoin) are trying to load for minute or longer, then fail. btcguild instantly reports a failure. If it was under ddos it would take about one minute to report failure. From this instant response it looks rather that it was simply taken down.

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October 19, 2011, 06:53:23 PM
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Not my thread but try again on the website, it was instantly reporting a failure because I had to shut down and power back on the server.

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October 19, 2011, 06:56:50 PM
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Not my thread but try again on the website, it was instantly reporting a failure because I had to shut down and power back on the server.
I see 1332.81 GH/s now. All other pools still down.

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October 19, 2011, 07:08:24 PM
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Agree btcguild is not behind this.

So under your logic that means when deepbit and btcguild was getting ddosed it must of been slush that was doing it?

or when guild c and D go down its A's fault.

Nice

Slush said btcguild was somehow related to the attack, not that Eleuthria himself sanctioned it. I don't believe Eleuthria would personally be involved nor do I believe that slush just made this up. My theory is a clan of botnet herding btcguild users thought they would get more coins by taking out the opposition.  It's a theory based on no evidence at this point.

BTW people solo mine during this outage. If everyone hops onto btcguild they will have a dangerous amount of network power.
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October 19, 2011, 07:12:27 PM
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We could start bets on what is the "proof" that btcguild might be related. My guess from previous attacks on my pages (unrelated to bitcoin) is that they often came from Hetzner IPs, the same datacenter where BTCGuild is.
So my very simple guess is that a shitload of those computers (Hetzner hosts Provider hosting free PHP pages) may have something like the IOnCannon running.. would look like it is related to BTCGuild..
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October 19, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
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Agree btcguild is not behind this.

So under your logic that means when deepbit and btcguild was getting ddosed it must of been slush that was doing it?

or when guild c and D go down its A's fault.

Nice

Slush said btcguild was somehow related to the attack, not that Eleuthria himself sanctioned it. I don't believe Eleuthria would personally be involved nor do I believe that slush just made this up. My theory is a clan of botnet herding btcguild users thought they would get more coins by taking out the opposition.  It's a theory based on no evidence at this point.

BTW people solo mine during this outage. If everyone hops onto btcguild they will have a dangerous amount of network power.


Better yet, everybody should hop to a small pool.  Everybody jumping to BTC Guild ends up screwing over our regular users.  I've been removing servers from our clusters the last month due to shrinking speeds/profits.  We cannot handle 2+ TH/sec like we used to, because it isn't worth keeping up the hardware at this time.  That's why I'm looking at cancelling signups (private pool) or a major payout structure change:  Get the botnets off and keep our regular users with a stable pool.

So please:  If you mine on Slush, Deepbit, or BTC Guild, set your backup to a SMALL pool.  Not only is it more reliable (the major pool outages are often related), but it avoids putting unexpected heavier load on an already large pool.  And of course it's safer for the network to have the hash split between a larger number of nodes.

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October 19, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
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Agree btcguild is not behind this.

So under your logic that means when deepbit and btcguild was getting ddosed it must of been slush that was doing it?

or when guild c and D go down its A's fault.

Nice

Slush said btcguild was somehow related to the attack, not that Eleuthria himself sanctioned it. I don't believe Eleuthria would personally be involved nor do I believe that slush just made this up. My theory is a clan of botnet herding btcguild users thought they would get more coins by taking out the opposition.  It's a theory based on no evidence at this point.

BTW people solo mine during this outage. If everyone hops onto btcguild they will have a dangerous amount of network power.


Better yet, everybody should hop to a small pool.  Everybody jumping to BTC Guild ends up screwing over our regular users.  I've been removing servers from our clusters the last month due to shrinking speeds/profits.  We cannot handle 2+ TH/sec like we used to, because it isn't worth keeping up the hardware at this time.  That's why I'm looking at cancelling signups (private pool) or a major payout structure change:  Get the botnets off and keep our regular users with a stable pool.

So please:  If you mine on Slush, Deepbit, or BTC Guild, set your backup to a SMALL pool.  Not only is it more reliable (the major pool outages are often related), but it avoids putting unexpected heavier load on an already large pool.  And of course it's safer for the network to have the hash split between a larger number of nodes.


  All smart moves imho, m8.  SMPPS with a lil bit of the buffer added back in as a bonus to faithfuls when/if it grows over a certain size. After the pool takes its cut of course. ;p  And, yea an 'invite' type setup might not hurt in the short term. Everyone else can kiss off or find a new home. hard ballin' but may end up being not optional if things continue as they are now..

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October 19, 2011, 07:21:49 PM
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What I have seen is Eleuthria is very fast at banning botnets from using his pool and making it so they can't DDOS his pool.
I want to mention that "banning" some subnets or IPs via software or normal router/loadbalancer can't do anything for protection against serious DDoS.
Some of those attacks were over 2 mpps, with that flow almost ANY hosting provider will just nullroute or disable IPs under attack. (I think that currently BTCguild uses same hosting service as deepbit, so I can say that for sure).

And from what I've seen his pool is always the last large pool standing when the other 2-3 large ones go down.

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October 19, 2011, 07:24:46 PM
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What I have seen is Eleuthria is very fast at banning botnets from using his pool and making it so they can't DDOS his pool.
I want to mention that "banning" some subnets or IPs via software or normal router/loadbalancer can't do anything for protection against serious DDoS.
Some of those attacks were over 2 mpps, with that flow almost ANY hosting provider will just nullroute or disable IPs under attack. (I think that currently BTCguild uses same hosting service as deepbit, so I can say that for sure).

And from what I've seen his pool is always the last large pool standing when the other 2-3 large ones go down.

Like Tycho said, we use the same ISP.  I know he dealt with them heavily back in June when the first round of attacks (that I know of, but I only started in April) hit.

They've nullrouted 3 of our frontend servers already, its just a matter of putting up new IPs in front and contacting the ISP telling them whats happening so they hopefully dont' nullroute every IP on your account.

The only reason we were hit the least in the last round is because we were able to get a large chunk of IPs blocked prior to the attack.  That's helping this time, but as anybody can see, it isn't doing much for BTC Guild's pool servers at the moment (website is back up mostly though).

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