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Author Topic: [1050 TH] BitMinter.com [1% PPLNS,Pays TxFees +MergedMining,Stratum,GBT,vardiff]  (Read 775814 times)
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November 28, 2012, 04:38:26 PM
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Doc, are we accidentally still being paid based on a 50 BTC block reward?
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November 28, 2012, 04:59:50 PM
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Just a question: does Bitminter includes TX fees in the miners payments?
Now after the halvening this is more important.

Yep. If you click on the height numbers at bitminter.com/blocks you will see how much income there is from each block, and how much is paid out to miners (same number twice).

And you are right, this is now more important. Have a look at my answer to this question: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/5515/how-much-is-a-mining-pool-share-worth-on-average
I ran some numbers there, and transaction fees and namecoins are now starting to matter. Put together they give about 3.4% extra income. So if you mine at a pool with 3% fees which doesn't pay transaction fees and namecoins, that's more like a 6.4% fee, which seems a bit steep.

Doc, are we accidentally still being paid based on a 50 BTC block reward?

No, BitMinter looks at the exact income from a block and shares that out to the miners, so it will never be wrong.

But...

post reward reduction:

The "Expected per block" is wrong.

The amount actually awarded is correct.

Yeah, sorry, I forgot this expected income per block shown on the account details page on the website, that number is based on each block giving 50 BTC. Will fix in a moment.

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November 28, 2012, 09:12:05 PM
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"Expected per block" on website corrected to take the reward halving into account.

I also added MPoolMonitor under "tools" -> "third party apps" on the website.

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November 28, 2012, 09:16:14 PM
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"Expected per block" on website corrected to take the reward halving into account.

I also added MPoolMonitor under "tools" -> "third party apps" on the website.


Hi Doc,

When can we expect vardiff and stratum support on the main pool?

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November 28, 2012, 09:43:05 PM
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When can we expect vardiff and stratum support on the main pool?

I have some little things still to do on Stratum support. I hope to enable Stratum on the testport within a couple days.

If everything runs perfectly I could perhaps enable Stratum and GBT with var diff on the main pool before the weekend is over. But perhaps delay var diff on getwork a bit longer until hashpower.com supports it.

Also I think ztexminer doesn't support var diff. And perhaps never will?

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November 28, 2012, 09:48:35 PM
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If everything runs perfectly I could perhaps enable Stratum and GBT with var diff on the main pool before the weekend is over. But perhaps delay var diff on getwork a bit longer until hashpower.com supports it.

My only other concern with vardiff is that when you enabled it on the main pool, it was done per worker.

Does vardiff now work by used the x-mining-hashrate header if available?
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November 28, 2012, 09:57:26 PM
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If everything runs perfectly I could perhaps enable Stratum and GBT with var diff on the main pool before the weekend is over. But perhaps delay var diff on getwork a bit longer until hashpower.com supports it.

My only other concern with vardiff is that when you enabled it on the main pool, it was done per worker.

Does vardiff now work by used the x-mining-hashrate header if available?
GBT replaced X-Mining-Hashrate with the "target" request option (BIP 23 Basic Pool Extensions). Stratum has no equivalent (and no HTTP for headers) yet.

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November 28, 2012, 10:06:11 PM
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My only other concern with vardiff is that when you enabled it on the main pool, it was done per worker.

Does vardiff now work by used the x-mining-hashrate header if available?

It uses x-mining-hashrate only for the initial difficulty. After it has measured the worker's hashrate it uses that as a basis for difficulty. Using only x-mining-hashrate basically means letting the user select the difficulty - I'm not sure that's a good idea.

I have a pool-wide setting for max difficulty though. I can set this to what is appropriate for 1 minirig now, and later adjust up to what is appropriate for 1 SC minirig. So 10 minirigs running on the same worker account will get the same difficulty as 1 minirig.

Is that then still an issue?

GBT replaced X-Mining-Hashrate with the "target" request option (BIP 23 Basic Pool Extensions). Stratum has no equivalent (and no HTTP for headers) yet.

I didn't implement the target request option yet. I don't know if I would use it for anything but the first minute either. Letting a user with 10+ TH/s set the difficulty makes me a bit uneasy. Tongue

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November 28, 2012, 10:25:38 PM
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Is that then still an issue?

A max diff of around 20 would be nice. Smiley
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November 28, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
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GBT replaced X-Mining-Hashrate with the "target" request option (BIP 23 Basic Pool Extensions). Stratum has no equivalent (and no HTTP for headers) yet.
I didn't implement the target request option yet. I don't know if I would use it for anything but the first minute either. Letting a user with 10+ TH/s set the difficulty makes me a bit uneasy. Tongue
Well, you could always set it up to honour it within some reasonable limits (or maybe leave it unbound upward, so miners can always opt to increase their variance at will). Admittedly, I also haven't seen a need to implement "target" requests yet either.

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November 28, 2012, 11:55:46 PM
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If everything runs perfectly I could perhaps enable Stratum and GBT with var diff on the main pool before the weekend is over. But perhaps delay var diff on getwork a bit longer until hashpower.com supports it.

My only other concern with vardiff is that when you enabled it on the main pool, it was done per worker.

Does vardiff now work by used the x-mining-hashrate header if available?
GBT replaced X-Mining-Hashrate with the "target" request option (BIP 23 Basic Pool Extensions). Stratum has no equivalent (and no HTTP for headers) yet.
lol no HTTP - GBT uses HTTP coz (as you said) it was too hard for you to do such an enhancement Tongue

Adding an 'options' to Stratum is a minor thing - pity you can't even take the step past HTTP to see that's all it is.

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November 29, 2012, 02:13:05 AM
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All three of my miners on cgminer are complaining that bitminter isn't providing work fast enough.  Stratum is coming soon, right? Smiley

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November 29, 2012, 02:46:16 AM
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All three of my miners on cgminer are complaining that bitminter isn't providing work fast enough.  Stratum is coming soon, right? Smiley
"Isn't providing work fast enough" (even with BFGMiner) is most likely a problem with your miner, not the protocol. Con intentionally designed GBT support in cgminer to work inefficiently, but as a side-effect of this particular inefficiency, there is no excuse it should ever be starving for more work.

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All three of my miners on cgminer are complaining that bitminter isn't providing work fast enough.  Stratum is coming soon, right? Smiley
"Isn't providing work fast enough" (even with BFGMiner) is most likely a problem with your miner, not the protocol. Con intentionally designed GBT support in cgminer to work inefficiently, but as a side-effect of this particular inefficiency, there is no excuse it should ever be starving for more work.

This isn't GBT, this is a LP.  And I don't recall seeing the message anywhere else.  It is starving and is sending work to backup pools.

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November 29, 2012, 03:48:50 AM
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All three of my miners on cgminer are complaining that bitminter isn't providing work fast enough.  Stratum is coming soon, right? Smiley
"Isn't providing work fast enough" (even with BFGMiner) is most likely a problem with your miner, not the protocol. Con intentionally designed GBT support in cgminer to work inefficiently, but as a side-effect of this particular inefficiency, there is no excuse it should ever be starving for more work.
As usual - you don't even know what you are talking about.

So ... do we assume you are just stupid enough to make that comment?

... or lying to try and attack cgminer in a way that is completely false?

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November 29, 2012, 04:28:03 AM
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All three of my miners on cgminer are complaining that bitminter isn't providing work fast enough.  Stratum is coming soon, right? Smiley
"Isn't providing work fast enough" (even with BFGMiner) is most likely a problem with your miner, not the protocol. Con intentionally designed GBT support in cgminer to work inefficiently, but as a side-effect of this particular inefficiency, there is no excuse it should ever be starving for more work.

This isn't GBT, this is a LP.  And I don't recall seeing the message anywhere else.  It is starving and is sending work to backup pools.
Well, why aren't you using GBT? Then you'd definitely have work ready to go as soon as the LP comes in (GBT uses LP too).

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November 29, 2012, 07:19:21 AM
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All three of my miners on cgminer are complaining that bitminter isn't providing work fast enough.  Stratum is coming soon, right? Smiley

The "not providing work fast enough" message comes pretty quickly after long poll - may not be a big deal.

Yes, we have GBT testing on port 9000 now and Stratum testing will begin soon.

If I put GBT on main port now then users with cgminer with GBT support but earlier version than 2.9.4 will get 100% rejects. I need to add a workaround for this bug before enabling GBT on the main port, otherwise it could be pretty painful for some users.

I hope to move GBT and Stratum to main port within a week's time, if not before. Maybe before the weekend is over, if testing goes well.

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November 29, 2012, 08:57:04 AM
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All three of my miners on cgminer are complaining that bitminter isn't providing work fast enough.  Stratum is coming soon, right? Smiley

The "not providing work fast enough" message comes pretty quickly after long poll - may not be a big deal.

Yes, we have GBT testing on port 9000 now and Stratum testing will begin soon.

If I put GBT on main port now then users with cgminer with GBT support but earlier version than 2.9.4 will get 100% rejects. I need to add a workaround for this bug before enabling GBT on the main port, otherwise it could be pretty painful for some users.

I hope to move GBT and Stratum to main port within a week's time, if not before. Maybe before the weekend is over, if testing goes well.


Why not keep them on separate ports :3333 for stratum seems to be the default port chosen by pools using it.
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November 29, 2012, 10:19:52 AM
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Why not keep them on separate ports :3333 for stratum seems to be the default port chosen by pools using it.

Yeah, it will be GBT and getwork on the regular port and Stratum on a different one. But the GBT/getwork responses will have an HTTP header informing the miner where to find the Stratum port.

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November 29, 2012, 11:12:43 AM
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All three of my miners on cgminer are complaining that bitminter isn't providing work fast enough.  Stratum is coming soon, right? Smiley

The "not providing work fast enough" message comes pretty quickly after long poll - may not be a big deal.

Yes, we have GBT testing on port 9000 now and Stratum testing will begin soon.

If I put GBT on main port now then users with cgminer with GBT support but earlier version than 2.9.4 will get 100% rejects. I need to add a workaround for this bug before enabling GBT on the main port, otherwise it could be pretty painful for some users.

I hope to move GBT and Stratum to main port within a week's time, if not before. Maybe before the weekend is over, if testing goes well.

Now that I know GBT is on 9000, I'll point my miners there.  I don't recall seeing that on the website, and I certainly didn't wade through the 100 pages of data here.

EDIT: it seems stats don't report work if you use the GBT port. Sad

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