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February 19, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
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Now that the 94.7% 8-hour block is out of the way (thanks Keled), let's have twenty <50% blocks in a row.  Who's with me?!
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February 19, 2013, 09:19:46 PM
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Now that the 94.7% 8-hour block is out of the way (thanks Keled), let's have twenty <50% blocks in a row.  Who's with me?!

Did you already know that the probability of the former is approximately equal to the probability of the latter? Or was is just a wild guess?

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February 19, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
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Now that the 94.7% 8-hour block is out of the way (thanks Keled), let's have twenty <50% blocks in a row.  Who's with me?!

Did you already know that the probability of the former is approximately equal to the probability of the latter? Or was is just a wild guess?
Heh, I see that (vaguely, without doing the math) now that you point it out, but at the time I was just being silly.
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February 19, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
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I get something along the lines of 10% rejected due to 'below difficulty' shares. If I go directly to the regular bitminter getwork server it functions fine (no rejects), I also do not get any rejects from Stratum if I go to BTCGuild's stratum server. It's only stratum on BitMinter that has the problem.

The way difficulty changes work under Stratum has changed. You'll see rejects that are below difficulty if you use old software. They typically submit all work, because of the weird way this used to work with Stratum in the olden days. Old cgminer will have rejects, new cgminer will not. Not sure what the status is on stratum proxies.


Hmm.. I had cgminer 2.10.2 and upgraded to 2.10.5 and still get a lot of rejects (about 9%), although not from 'below difficulty' as an error, just 'rejects'. Running for a day with just the regular getwork server via the nginx/PHP proxy I use and I get nearly zero rejects. I will try again with direct from miner to the stratum proxy and see if it's my nginx/PHP proxy getting in the way. Pity it if is since it's SO useful for pool failovers and configurations and monitoring all miners at once.

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February 19, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
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Hmm.. I had cgminer 2.10.2 and upgraded to 2.10.5 and still get a lot of rejects (about 9%), although not from 'below difficulty' as an error, just 'rejects'. Running for a day with just the regular getwork server via the nginx/PHP proxy I use and I get nearly zero rejects. I will try again with direct from miner to the stratum proxy and see if it's my nginx/PHP proxy getting in the way. Pity it if is since it's SO useful for pool failovers and configurations and monitoring all miners at once.

Yeah, 9% is ridiculous. Something is wrong there. I guess somewhere in your dual proxy setup things get slowed down a lot. Try connecting cgminer directly to the pool and see how that works.

Poolwide rejects for the current round is 0.16% as I write this. I'd expect some getwork users are above and most Stratum users are below that.

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February 20, 2013, 06:12:01 PM
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Hmm.. I had cgminer 2.10.2 and upgraded to 2.10.5 and still get a lot of rejects (about 9%), although not from 'below difficulty' as an error, just 'rejects'. Running for a day with just the regular getwork server via the nginx/PHP proxy I use and I get nearly zero rejects. I will try again with direct from miner to the stratum proxy and see if it's my nginx/PHP proxy getting in the way. Pity it if is since it's SO useful for pool failovers and configurations and monitoring all miners at once.

Yeah, 9% is ridiculous. Something is wrong there. I guess somewhere in your dual proxy setup things get slowed down a lot. Try connecting cgminer directly to the pool and see how that works.

Poolwide rejects for the current round is 0.16% as I write this. I'd expect some getwork users are above and most Stratum users are below that.


Yea, I had wondered if my setup was confusing things.. Seems like it is. Sad Telling cgminer 2.10.5 to go to stratum+tcp://mint.bitminter.com:3333/ yields zero rejects for the 10 minutes I've been running it. Before I would see the rejects pop up now and then a few times by now. Well, at least I'll have my crap together by the time BFL ships.. lol.


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February 20, 2013, 09:53:16 PM
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February 20, 2013, 09:59:23 PM
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Working fine over here..
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February 22, 2013, 11:50:57 AM
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Doc,

Recently i found a block but cgminer did not report it. I have found blocks before with getwork and i was able to see Found block count > 0 matching the actual found blocks reported buy bitminter
I am curious how do you check valid shares when diff >1? What i mean is this:

According to my understanding it works like the following:

1. Mining software knows that it shall shall submit work only if its matching difficulty (let say 4).
2. Mining software shall check if valid shares which are less that required difficulty solve the block
3. If yes they shall be submitted to the pool even though they are not matching pool difficulty
4. Pool shall check first (or at least before diff match ) if the share submitted solves the block and later on if it matches difficulty right?

What i am asking is are any potential issues from both miner and pool if a share solving the block can be rejected by the pool or not sent by software?
I am just curious:)
10X

PS: just for the record i wanna check why cgminer does not report solved block. If you do keep log of share solving the blocks and you can paste here the winning share for block
http://bitminter.com/block/btc/0000000000000201264143a1bca71fc300d02bf0a3e0d8cd85a407024abd7129

will be great

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February 22, 2013, 02:30:28 PM
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Recently i found a block but cgminer did not report it. I have found blocks before with getwork and i was able to see Found block count > 0 matching the actual found blocks reported buy bitminter

Maybe this is a bug in cgminer. Or if you have multiple workers, did you check them all?

1. Mining software knows that it shall shall submit work only if its matching difficulty (let say 4).
2. Mining software shall check if valid shares which are less that required difficulty solve the block

You mean above the required difficulty to solve the block. Above difficulty = below target.

3. If yes they shall be submitted to the pool even though they are not matching pool difficulty

The difficulty given by the pool (1-4096 currently) will always be lower than the difficulty for creating a block (currently 3.6 million).

Even if the mining difficulty was not capped (currently at 4096) you would still need a worker with a hashrate that would produce 20 bitcoin blocks per minute on average, for the server to give you a mining difficulty that is higher than the difficulty to create a block. If you receive enough ASICs for that then I recommend splitting them up over multiple worker accounts, at least until the network difficulty goes up.

What i am asking is are any potential issues from both miner and pool if a share solving the block can be rejected by the pool or not sent by software?

It could be a potential problem if you added a new worker that had 200 times the hashpower of the rest of the network. So if the current network hashrate is 30 TH/s and you add hardware doing 6000 TH/s on a single worker account, then we need to look into it. In that case, please let me know in advance. Wink

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February 22, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
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Recently i found a block but cgminer did not report it. I have found blocks before with getwork and i was able to see Found block count > 0 matching the actual found blocks reported buy bitminter

Maybe this is a bug in cgminer. Or if you have multiple workers, did you check them all?

1. Mining software knows that it shall shall submit work only if its matching difficulty (let say 4).
2. Mining software shall check if valid shares which are less that required difficulty solve the block

You mean above the required difficulty to solve the block. Above difficulty = below target.

3. If yes they shall be submitted to the pool even though they are not matching pool difficulty

The difficulty given by the pool (1-4096 currently) will always be lower than the difficulty for creating a block (currently 3.6 million).

Even if the mining difficulty was not capped (currently at 4096) you would still need a worker with a hashrate that would produce 20 bitcoin blocks per minute on average, for the server to give you a mining difficulty that is higher than the difficulty to create a block. If you receive enough ASICs for that then I recommend splitting them up over multiple worker accounts, at least until the network difficulty goes up.

What i am asking is are any potential issues from both miner and pool if a share solving the block can be rejected by the pool or not sent by software?

It could be a potential problem if you added a new worker that had 200 times the hashpower of the rest of the network. So if the current network hashrate is 30 TH/s and you add hardware doing 6000 TH/s on a single worker account, then we need to look into it. In that case, please let me know in advance. Wink

Thanks doc!

My explanation sucks.
What i am talking about is:

1.when i mine with getwork with diff 1 given by the pool i submit every share
2. When i mine with stratum and diff 8 given by the pool i submit one of eight at average - there is variation of course
3. Is it possible in theory that those 8 shares skipped to be able to solve the block? Because if i was using getwork with diff 1 given by the pool they shall be ok and submitted to the pool right?

Yes i do have two workers and checked them both - none of them was showing that block was fond and  no i do not have asic yet:)

If you have log of share which solved block http://bitminter.com/block/btc/0000000000000201264143a1bca71fc300d02bf0a3e0d8cd85a407024abd7129
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February 22, 2013, 03:20:30 PM
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1.when i mine with getwork with diff 1 given by the pool i submit every share
2. When i mine with stratum and diff 8 given by the pool i submit one of eight at average - there is variation of course
3. Is it possible in theory that those 8 shares skipped to be able to solve the block? Because if i was using getwork with diff 1 given by the pool they shall be ok and submitted to the pool right?

If your proof of work hash is above difficulty 1.6 million then it is also above difficulty 8, so there won't be any problems. Any proof of work that can create a valid block will be submitted by the client.

Edit: I emailed the data that was logged about your proof of work to the email address registered with your Bitminter account.

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February 22, 2013, 03:34:23 PM
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1.when i mine with getwork with diff 1 given by the pool i submit every share
2. When i mine with stratum and diff 8 given by the pool i submit one of eight at average - there is variation of course
3. Is it possible in theory that those 8 shares skipped to be able to solve the block? Because if i was using getwork with diff 1 given by the pool they shall be ok and submitted to the pool right?

If your proof of work hash is above difficulty 1.6 million then it is also above difficulty 8, so there won't be any problems. Any proof of work that can create a valid block will be submitted by the client.

Edit: I emailed the data that was logged about your proof of work to the email address registered with your Bitminter account.


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February 22, 2013, 03:40:44 PM
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Can i share this with Kon after i check it?

Of course. Anonymize out your IP address if you want. I didn't do that as I was sending it only to your email address and it could be helpful to you.

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February 22, 2013, 08:39:54 PM
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Doc,
I am waiting for my avalons to land. And i love your pool and i will mine here. However according to this thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145885.0

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4 please DO preconfigure the diff of ALL the pools (including the backup ones), var diff may slow down the machine at first until the diff is adjusted.
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Var diff can slow things down a bit. Do you have plans to implement preconfigurable diff per worker in near feature? For 64300-64500 MHash/s diff about 64 shall be just right in order to have about 20 submited shares per minute and not to "flood" the pool right?

Best

PS: As long some instability issues are reported from avalon users a nice feature available via perks will be inactivity mail notification - per worker. What about it?

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February 22, 2013, 09:29:04 PM
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Var diff can slow things down a bit. Do you have plans to implement preconfigurable diff per worker in near feature? For 64300-64500 MHash/s diff about 64 shall be just right in order to have about 20 submited shares per minute and not to "flood" the pool right?

Bitminter adjusts the diff quite quickly. Asicminer tested the pool with much more hashrate than one Avalon and the pool adjusted (it maxed out at 64 at the time, but I have set a higher max now). That said, there are plans to allow setting a minimum diff.

PS: As long some instability issues are reported from avalon users a nice feature available via perks will be inactivity mail notification - per worker. What about it?

Yep, that's also on the TODO list.

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February 23, 2013, 05:05:02 AM
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email notice will be nice. I am waiting on BFL to produce my 2x Jalapenos and 1x little single.

We have slowed our coins the 19 20 21 and 22  have been lite but the pool has gone up a bit.  maybe the 23rd will be better. 

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February 23, 2013, 09:32:29 PM
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Having an issue with the server. Looking into it now.

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February 23, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
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Back up again. Sorry for the downtime.

bitcoind went haywire with disk accesses, but a restart cleared it up.

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February 24, 2013, 12:38:07 AM
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Thank you Smiley  your work is appreciated...

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