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November 21, 2012, 12:47:53 AM
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the force is not with us at the moment....

come on... some more blocks... reward drop comes soon
Yeah, our luck has been pretty bad lately. Sad
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November 21, 2012, 03:37:34 PM
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luck has been terrible. 
17th = 9
18th = 7 
19th = 6
20th = 7   

 that is 29 for 4 days. 44-48 would be normal. oh also 2 stales and 2 orphans for those same 4 days.

I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
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November 21, 2012, 05:48:47 PM
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luck has been terrible.  
17th = 9
18th = 7  
19th = 6
20th = 7    

 that is 29 for 4 days. 44-48 would be normal. oh also 2 stales and 2 orphans for those same 4 days.
Thanks for the factual post.

I knew I felt like our luck was going badly, but seeing the actual numbers like that makes me feel sick.  Cry

I hope things average out over the next week before the block reward halves.
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November 21, 2012, 09:19:33 PM
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Hang in there, guys. Today 12 blocks and counting. Smiley

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November 21, 2012, 09:39:11 PM
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whitephantom you are hashing 50 plus to my 6 or so.

 the numbers add up a lot quicker for you then me,
The numbers do add up quickly at 50GH with an unlucky streak (or a lucky one).  The last 4 days has been at least $100 worth of bitcoins less per day than normal.  I won't sweat it at all when everything's paid off, but I'm not there yet.

Hang in there, guys. Today 12 blocks and counting. Smiley
Yup, I'm liking today.  Smiley  Feeling more normal again.
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November 22, 2012, 12:02:22 AM
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yeah today ended at 14 which is just a bit above normal of 11 or 12.  I am almost paid off just in time for the half block split and then the asics come out in dec or jan.

 that reminds me i am thinking of getting a BTCFPGA  a 54 GH/s model for $1069.99.  link is here;


https://www.bitcoinasic.net/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=51



  so my question to the dr  will this plug n play? 

 I would use it with one of my pc's

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November 22, 2012, 03:01:29 AM
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yeah today ended at 14 which is just a bit above normal of 11 or 12.  I am almost paid off just in time for the half block split and then the asics come out in dec or jan.

 that reminds me i am thinking of getting a BTCFPGA  a 54 GH/s model for $1069.99.  link is here;


https://www.bitcoinasic.net/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=51



  so my question to the dr  will this plug n play? 

 I would use it with one of my pc's
Since this is a pool thread Smiley
I'll answer that.
Yes it will plug and play ... with cgminer.

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November 22, 2012, 07:21:37 AM
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I believe cgminer and bfgminer will have bASIC support before the devices ship.

As for BitMinter client, I will try to get remote access to a bASIC as early as possible. If I don't get this from the bASIC guys then I will probably not have a working implementation on day 1. But I probably could within a day or two.

I started a thread to get info on the new protocol that will be used to control the bASICs: https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=99

If the protocol specs are released early then it means only some (hopefully short) time for debugging is needed with an actual device.

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November 22, 2012, 09:20:55 AM
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For bASIC it may or may not be this document by TheSeven:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PjtBgOGL-SS74aMoFw5-tHwwggeBmxGe3grGquFNQTE/edit?pli=1

He posted that link in the #btcfpga channel so I presume anyone is allowed to know about it.

I don't know - but if he does the MCU and has enough time I guess that will be it.
However, I know that hasn't started yet so I'd doubt there is time for it between now and whenever they are supposed to be released.
... unless the release date is quite a way in the future.
(and I no longer have ANY information at all about when any of the devices will be released other than what everyone else now knows)

I'd also be pretty much certain that each of the ASICs will work differently.
(bASIC, BFL SC, Avalon and ASICMINER)

As for delivery dates ... yeah I've given up on any of them meeting their targets Tongue

Cheesy ... and here I was hoping to get a WiiU on release day in Aus (30-Nov) Cheesy

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November 22, 2012, 11:12:39 AM
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Awesome Smiley Let me know if you see anything strange. After a block change (long poll) bfgminer sometimes says the server is issuing old work. It shouldn't, of course, but I may have a bug there.

Also, we are now making version 2 blocks. It will probably be a while before v2 blocks are required though, as 50BTC and DeepBit have not made the switch yet.

You can see the v1 to v2 transition as it happens at http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/top.php


Doc,

Apart of the bad luck there are to many orphan and stale blocks. Do you think that making version 2 blocks can have something in common? I am just wandering because before that orphan and stales were very low compared to now.

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November 22, 2012, 04:16:22 PM
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12 blocks and counting.  I think we're back!  Woot!

Edit: Oops, just noticed that two were orphans.  Sorry Doc.  Sad
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November 24, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
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I can't say for sure how long it has been, but from a day or two ago I have 0 accepted (and 0 rejected) shares? Wtf? cgminer reports the speed accurately (2.4.1 on openwrt) but that's that, basically.

Are you seeing accepted shares in cgminer, but not on website under "my account" -> "workers" ?

You are sure you are using the correct credentials in your cgminer config?

If you send me your BitMinter user name I can have a look at things on the server side. You can email me at operator@bitminter.com


No accepted shares on either cgminer or website, and yes, I'm sure the credentials are correct (unchanged). I'll email you the username.

Following up on this issue, the problem lays in endianess. I will submit a pull request for this to cgminer, it is working fine for both default work fetching and GBT, haven't tested on stratum yet.
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November 25, 2012, 04:34:24 AM
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Looking forward to testing stratum to Bitminter for a while to make sure things run well then that will be one less thing to worry about with ASICs arriving (whenever they do).

I do hope the luck gets better though. it's been kinda painful over the last week.

Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving ( that celebrate it ) Smiley

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November 25, 2012, 08:49:21 AM
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If you were having a problem with cgminer + GBT on this pool, I'd like to recommend upgrading to cgminer 2.9.5 which has fixes for rare large coinbases which were causing a cgminer crash.

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November 25, 2012, 10:20:09 AM
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Stratum is almost ready for testing.

And yes, we have had too many orphans lately.

I think it's time to start limiting the number of transactions we include in a block. It would make the blocks smaller, which would make them propagate faster through the bitcoin p2p network, and reduce their chance of being orphaned.

Our latest orphan at height 209437 had 722 transactions. I see EclipseMC also got an orphan today with 695 transactions.

Suggestions for pool transaction rules? Max X transactions per block and max Y minimum-fee transactions per block? Anyone know what other pools are doing?

It's a shame to have to limit transactions, but we can't keep throwing away money so that SatoshiDice can make money faster. Not that they are doing anything wrong by using Bitcoin, but this is how it is from our perspective.

Edit: if you want to comment on this and don't have access to post outside the newbie section, write in the BitMinter newbie thread instead: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=22432.0

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November 25, 2012, 10:55:26 AM
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Pondering some of Gavin's suggestions on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95837.0

Perhaps some combination of 'Create Smaller Blocks' and 'Punish High-Frequency Users' settings? Maybe:

blockmaxsize=100000
blockminsize=0
blockprioritysize=50000
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November 25, 2012, 11:03:04 AM
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I think it's time to start limiting the number of transactions we include in a block. It would make the blocks smaller, which would make them propagate faster through the bitcoin p2p network, and reduce their chance of being orphaned.

Are you sure this works?

Last time I did a shallow analysis of this, I found that while there was a connction between block size and the chance of getting orphanded, the larger orphaned block was almost always newer than the winning block.  Which means that the orphan block is larger because it has been accumulating more transactions while the older block was busy propagating through the network.

Smaller blocks means we have to wait longer for normal transactions to get confirmed by the network.  SatoshiDice transactions have a fee, and will win over standard no-fee transactions from normal clients, MtGox, etc.

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Suggestions for pool transaction rules? Max X transactions per block and max Y minimum-fee transactions per block? Anyone know what other pools are doing?

It's a shame to have to limit transactions, but we can't keep throwing away money so that SatoshiDice can make money faster. Not that they are doing anything wrong by using Bitcoin, but this is how it is from our perspective.
By reducing the number of no-fee transactions we actually give higher priority to SatoshiDice transactions.  Blocking transactions to or from 1dice addresses with fee < 1 BTC is a better solution, IMHO.

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November 25, 2012, 11:32:39 AM
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For comparison, what some p2pool users are using: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.msg1326067#msg1326067

blockmaxsize=100000
blockminsize=0
blockprioritysize=2000
mintxfee=0.0005

Are you sure this works?

Yes. The slower a block propagates through the bitcoin peer-to-peer network the higher the chance it is orphaned. That's because others will be making blocks that compete with yours because they haven't seen your block yet. And the bigger the block the longer bitcoin nodes take before accepting the block as valid and passing it on to other nodes.

So I would think that reducing the block's transactions by X kilobytes will reduce the chance of the block being orphaned by Y percent. But I can't say what X and Y are.

Smaller blocks means we have to wait longer for normal transactions to get confirmed by the network.  SatoshiDice transactions have a fee, and will win over standard no-fee transactions from normal clients, MtGox, etc.

I haven't looked at what the SatoshiDice transactions usually carry in fees. But yes, slower processing of transactions is the downside to limiting how many transactions we include in each block.

This is unfortunate for Bitcoin. And I think it is too early for a real market-effect when it comes to processing transactions. The new coins you mint are much more valuable than any transaction fee. The incentive for a miner is to just toss all the transactions and maximize the chance of keeping those new coins. If pools did that, though, it would be a disaster for bitcoin.

So why risk our 50 BTC for an extra 0.1 BTC in fees? Because otherwise we destroy bitcoin (and the value of those 50 BTC). But we must keep this risk manageable.

By reducing the number of no-fee transactions we actually give higher priority to SatoshiDice transactions.  Blocking transactions to or from 1dice addresses with fee < 1 BTC is a better solution, IMHO.

I like the idea of a "market" for transactions and their fees. Giving priority to the transactions that pay us also is the way for us to make the most profit.

But blocking SatoshiDice transactions is a valid suggestion, I think. Even if we lose some (insignificant amount of) coins doing so, it means newbies can try out bitcoin and see fast transactions. The fees are so insignificant anyway. What is best for bitcoin - slowing down newbies or SatoshiDice? It may be more important to give new users a good impression of bitcoin than to support the SatoshiDice spam.

Of course the real problem is that bitcoin in its current state does not scale beyond minor usage. That's something the bitcoin devs can hopefully fix in the long run. But in the short run I need to take care of the miners in this pool and keep the pool from going bankrupt paying orphans.

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November 25, 2012, 12:19:12 PM
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Ah another pool looking to increase their pay by making BTC worse rather than fixing their pool.
Puts you in exactly the same class as Eligius - that's what Eligius did,
Well I guess this is another pool that people should avoid.

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November 25, 2012, 12:38:24 PM
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Ah another pool looking to increase their pay by making BTC worse rather than fixing their pool.
Puts you in exactly the same class as Eligius - that's what Eligius did,
Well I guess this is another pool that people should avoid.

Miners are unhappy losing money. And the pool is in the red. I'm paying for the privilege of running this pool. When I run out of bitcoins, I'll have to shut the pool down.

So Deepbit, Eligius and many p2pool miners already use transaction limits below the bitcoin defaults. Probably more do as well. I think this is a good way to improve the situation until bitcoin scales better.

How do you propose to "fix the pool"? The pool is already well connected on the bitcoin peer-to-peer network. Directly connected to most pools. But if you have suggestions how we can get other pools accepting our blocks faster without reducing the amount of transactions, I'm all ears.

Well I guess this is another pool that people should avoid.

I guess most miners will instead avoid pools with many orphans. But this is why I want to hear opinions. If you mine on this pool and you think processing SatoshiDice transactions faster is worth losing some of your mining income, please speak up.

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