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January 10, 2013, 04:52:24 PM
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CPU mining available? Sigh ...
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This pool is great.  He can't do everything at once.  There are many things I'd rather see Doc work on than remove CPU mining from the client.
Besides, there are still some legitimate uses for it. Someone experimenting with Bitcoin who doesn't already have a compatible GPU to mine with, for example.
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January 10, 2013, 05:13:28 PM
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weird....after 3+ months working 24/7 one of my workers just stopped out of the blue  Roll Eyes

Hmm, that is weird indeed. And stopping and starting using the start button doesn't help?

This is what happens if you run on a buggy Java 7 release (without the workaround added in the new beta). Maybe that's the reason? Although if I do that it stops after 3 hours, not 3 months.

A shame about those stats, looking real nice there.


yeah, got already 3 million shares on it, wanted to see what happens when I hit 99->100 million Sad other comp on that rack is 2x slower (shittier GPU-s) and have only 1,5 million shares.


pressing button doesnt do anything. Have to exit client and start it again (only way to get it working). Have had same thing couple of times under win 8 beta comp. This one was win 7. What version it has dont know right now, prolly the one that was out 3 months ago Cheesy Can check if needed.

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January 10, 2013, 05:29:16 PM
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pressing button doesnt do anything. Have to exit client and start it again (only way to get it working). Have had same thing couple of times under win 8 beta comp. This one was win 7. What version it has dont know right now, prolly the one that was out 3 months ago Cheesy Can check if needed.

That sounds like the Java bug I added a workaround for in the new beta. You may want to upgrade your java to the latest release to make sure it won't happen again.

Also, I need more feedback from BFL miners before I can release 1.3.1. Hint, hint owners of BFL FPGAs Smiley

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January 10, 2013, 08:20:14 PM
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CPU mining available? Sigh ...

as U can see from pic, I dont mine with CPU Wink
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I was just referring to the fact that the miner he releases shows it as an option.
You should appreciate te fact that the miner enables anyone with a computer that can understand english to try bitcoin mining out, even if only to realize that it is not worth their time. Doc and he's miner have brought plenty of newcomers in to the world of bitcoin.

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January 11, 2013, 12:47:39 AM
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CPU mining available? Sigh ...

as U can see from pic, I dont mine with CPU Wink
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I was just referring to the fact that the miner he releases shows it as an option.
You should appreciate te fact that the miner enables anyone with a computer that can understand english to try bitmoin mining out, even if only to realize that it is not worth their time. Doc and he's miner have brought plenty of newcomers in to the world of bitcoin.
Then hopefully it pops up a message telling everyone that they are losing money by pressing that CPU button ...
Since there are "plenty of newcomers" that use the miner.

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January 11, 2013, 08:42:03 AM
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Then hopefully it pops up a message telling everyone that they are losing money by pressing that CPU button ...
Since there are "plenty of newcomers" that use the miner.

Why don't you try it and find out? Or are you just here for the trolling?

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January 11, 2013, 08:49:32 AM
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Then hopefully it pops up a message telling everyone that they are losing money by pressing that CPU button ...
Since there are "plenty of newcomers" that use the miner.

Why don't you try it and find out? Or are you just here for the trolling?

Did you really wish to contend that *any* computer will in today's environment make more in BTC than the electricity cost when CPU mining?
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January 11, 2013, 09:38:01 AM
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Did you really wish to contend that *any* computer will in today's environment make more in BTC than the electricity cost when CPU mining?

Of course not. It's just there so it is possible to see what bitcoin mining is like even if you don't (yet) have the hardware to do it profitably.

For cgminer they chose to force beginners to compile the miner themselves if they want to test mining on a CPU. And most beginners don't know what "compile" even means.

I chose a solution that made the most sense to me.

I didn't want to contend that CPU mining is profitable with what I posted above, I wanted to contend that kano is not a user giving feedback from his experience with the miner, but rather just a troll.

A troll is someone who acts annoying as a way to get attention from others. And the more attention they get, the worse they get. The best you can do is to ignore them. I was hoping we could just ignore his comment, but he successfully trolled it into a big discussion. Go team cgminer!

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January 11, 2013, 10:36:24 AM
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I chose a solution that made the most sense to me.
And I would never denigrate that. Always the solo developer's choice.

I wanted to contend that kano is not a user giving feedback from his experience with the miner, but rather just a troll.

A troll is someone who acts annoying as a way to get attention from others.
I'm not so sure he is that.

My impression is that he merely tends to be annoying in making, attempting to make, his points. Smiley
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January 11, 2013, 11:18:07 AM
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Did you really wish to contend that *any* computer will in today's environment make more in BTC than the electricity cost when CPU mining?

Of course not. It's just there so it is possible to see what bitcoin mining is like even if you don't (yet) have the hardware to do it profitably.

For cgminer they chose to force beginners to compile the miner themselves if they want to test mining on a CPU. And most beginners don't know what "compile" even means.
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So ... where is this rubbish you've stated as truth, that is in fact false, taken from?

Anyone who asks for information about CPU mining on cgminer is told that it is not supported and to not discuss the subject.
Even the cgminer README says it is not supported (and has for 1 year)
We don't want anyone to do CPU mining no matter how new to bitcoind (or stupid) they are.
None of the binaries we release allow CPU mining.

I use it on rare occasions in development to test run multiple cgminers - but it only takes a couple of minutes running on my desktop to shutdown my CPU due to overheating - so my test runs including CPU mining are usually quite short.

ckolivas did once completely remove it in a branch, but didn't end up putting it into the master (I can't remember why) but was probably due to being useful for code testing during development.

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Really?
Offering CPU mining to people who are most likely ignorant of the stupidity of doing it ... makes the most sense?
Go figure.

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January 11, 2013, 11:43:56 AM
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Really?
Offering CPU mining to people who are most likely ignorant of the stupidity of doing it ... makes the most sense?
Go figure.

Like I said, see how the feature works before you complain. Why is it such a big deal for you anyway, if you don't even use the miner yourself?

Maybe you should focus on improving cgminer instead of complaining about other miners?

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January 11, 2013, 12:12:23 PM
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Then hopefully it pops up a message telling everyone that they are losing money by pressing that CPU button ...
Since there are "plenty of newcomers" that use the miner.

Why don't you try it and find out? Or are you just here for the trolling?

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January 11, 2013, 02:32:21 PM
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Get a girlfriend Kano ! Your cheap shots start to bore me.

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January 11, 2013, 02:51:58 PM
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down ?

work is coming in but page is down , can't confirm that work is not lost.


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January 11, 2013, 02:56:30 PM
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down ?

work is coming in but page is down , can't confirm that work is not lost.

Some users reporting problems accessing the website right now. Seems to be an issue with cloudflare. Try loading the website in a fresh browser, either restarting your regular browser or fire up a new one.

I added cloudflare as an anti-ddos measure. May have to rethink that though, if it is frequently unstable.

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January 11, 2013, 09:31:39 PM
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Did you really wish to contend that *any* computer will in today's environment make more in BTC than the electricity cost when CPU mining?

Of course not. It's just there so it is possible to see what bitcoin mining is like even if you don't (yet) have the hardware to do it profitably.

For cgminer they chose to force beginners to compile the miner themselves if they want to test mining on a CPU. And most beginners don't know what "compile" even means.
...
So ... where is this rubbish you've stated as truth, that is in fact false, taken from?

Anyone who asks for information about CPU mining on cgminer is told that it is not supported and to not discuss the subject.
Even the cgminer README says it is not supported (and has for 1 year)
We don't want anyone to do CPU mining no matter how new to bitcoind (or stupid) they are.
None of the binaries we release allow CPU mining.

I use it on rare occasions in development to test run multiple cgminers - but it only takes a couple of minutes running on my desktop to shutdown my CPU due to overheating - so my test runs including CPU mining are usually quite short.

ckolivas did once completely remove it in a branch, but didn't end up putting it into the master (I can't remember why) but was probably due to being useful for code testing during development.

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I chose a solution that made the most sense to me.
Really?
Offering CPU mining to people who are most likely ignorant of the stupidity of doing it ... makes the most sense?
Go figure.
Maybe you don't see it kano, but you're really starting to sound like the overbearing governments most of us are trying to avoid.  Protecting stupid people from making their own stupid decisions is exactly why we have so many dang laws and regulations around everything in the first place.  Let people have the freedom to make their own choices.  Let people mine with their CPU if they want.  Let DrHaribo give people the freedom to mine with their CPU if they want.  It is their choice, not yours.
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January 11, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
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Did you really wish to contend that *any* computer will in today's environment make more in BTC than the electricity cost when CPU mining?

Of course not. It's just there so it is possible to see what bitcoin mining is like even if you don't (yet) have the hardware to do it profitably.

For cgminer they chose to force beginners to compile the miner themselves if they want to test mining on a CPU. And most beginners don't know what "compile" even means.
...
So ... where is this rubbish you've stated as truth, that is in fact false, taken from?

Anyone who asks for information about CPU mining on cgminer is told that it is not supported and to not discuss the subject.
Even the cgminer README says it is not supported (and has for 1 year)
We don't want anyone to do CPU mining no matter how new to bitcoind (or stupid) they are.
None of the binaries we release allow CPU mining.

I use it on rare occasions in development to test run multiple cgminers - but it only takes a couple of minutes running on my desktop to shutdown my CPU due to overheating - so my test runs including CPU mining are usually quite short.

ckolivas did once completely remove it in a branch, but didn't end up putting it into the master (I can't remember why) but was probably due to being useful for code testing during development.

Quote
I chose a solution that made the most sense to me.
Really?
Offering CPU mining to people who are most likely ignorant of the stupidity of doing it ... makes the most sense?
Go figure.
Maybe you don't see it kano, but you're really starting to sound like the overbearing governments most of us are trying to avoid.  Protecting stupid people from making their own stupid decisions is exactly why we have so many dang laws and regulations around everything in the first place.  Let people have the freedom to make their own choices.  Let people mine with their CPU if they want.  Let DrHaribo give people the freedom to mine with their CPU if they want.  It is their choice, not yours.

Umm... I don't see Kano suggesting we make it illegal, with fines paid in BTC, for making a miner available that uses CPU.  He's just pointing out that it doesn't make sense mine with a CPU cost wise.  Some people here might not know that.

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January 11, 2013, 10:07:21 PM
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Did you really wish to contend that *any* computer will in today's environment make more in BTC than the electricity cost when CPU mining?

Of course not. It's just there so it is possible to see what bitcoin mining is like even if you don't (yet) have the hardware to do it profitably.

For cgminer they chose to force beginners to compile the miner themselves if they want to test mining on a CPU. And most beginners don't know what "compile" even means.
...
So ... where is this rubbish you've stated as truth, that is in fact false, taken from?

Anyone who asks for information about CPU mining on cgminer is told that it is not supported and to not discuss the subject.
Even the cgminer README says it is not supported (and has for 1 year)
We don't want anyone to do CPU mining no matter how new to bitcoind (or stupid) they are.
None of the binaries we release allow CPU mining.

I use it on rare occasions in development to test run multiple cgminers - but it only takes a couple of minutes running on my desktop to shutdown my CPU due to overheating - so my test runs including CPU mining are usually quite short.

ckolivas did once completely remove it in a branch, but didn't end up putting it into the master (I can't remember why) but was probably due to being useful for code testing during development.

Quote
I chose a solution that made the most sense to me.
Really?
Offering CPU mining to people who are most likely ignorant of the stupidity of doing it ... makes the most sense?
Go figure.
Maybe you don't see it kano, but you're really starting to sound like the overbearing governments most of us are trying to avoid.  Protecting stupid people from making their own stupid decisions is exactly why we have so many dang laws and regulations around everything in the first place.  Let people have the freedom to make their own choices.  Let people mine with their CPU if they want.  Let DrHaribo give people the freedom to mine with their CPU if they want.  It is their choice, not yours.

Umm... I don't see Kano suggesting we make it illegal, with fines paid in BTC, for making a miner available that uses CPU.  He's just pointing out that it doesn't make sense mine with a CPU cost wise.  Some people here might not know that.

M
Kano is asking DrHaribo to remove the feature, which would limit the freedom of people to CPU mine if they wish to CPU mine.  Kind of like the government makes laws to try and protect stupid people from themselves which also limit the freedom of people.

If your purpose is to mine with a CPU for profit, then no, it doesn't make sense.  However, even kano himself just admitted that he does short testing runs with CPU mining.  Why remove the option and not let other people do CPU mining if they want?  Kano is essentially saying that what is good for him (CPU mining) isn't good for anyone else, and shouldn't be available to anyone else.  In my opinion, that is an absurd viewpoint.  There are a variety of reasons for a person to mine Bitcoins, and only one of those is for profit.  Others might include testing, experimenting, or educating.
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January 11, 2013, 10:53:04 PM
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Kano is asking DrHaribo to remove the feature, which would limit the freedom of people to CPU mine if they wish to CPU mine.  Kind of like the government makes laws to try and protect stupid people from themselves which also limit the freedom of people.

If your purpose is to mine with a CPU for profit, then no, it doesn't make sense.  However, even kano himself just admitted that he does short testing runs with CPU mining.  Why remove the option and not let other people do CPU mining if they want?  Kano is essentially saying that what is good for him (CPU mining) isn't good for anyone else, and shouldn't be available to anyone else.  In my opinion, that is an absurd viewpoint.  There are a variety of reasons for a person to mine Bitcoins, and only one of those is for profit.  Others might include testing, experimenting, or educating.
Actually if you bothered to read what I said ... yeah that may be a little difficult when your opinion is so ridiculous and biased ... I said
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Then hopefully it pops up a message telling everyone that they are losing money by pressing that CPU button ...
Since there are "plenty of newcomers" that use the miner.
Myself, I will not run a closed source, obfuscated, java code miner when I have access to a free open source miner with nothing hidden.
Too risky IMO.

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January 11, 2013, 10:57:51 PM
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Did you really wish to contend that *any* computer will in today's environment make more in BTC than the electricity cost when CPU mining?

Of course not. It's just there so it is possible to see what bitcoin mining is like even if you don't (yet) have the hardware to do it profitably.

For cgminer they chose to force beginners to compile the miner themselves if they want to test mining on a CPU. And most beginners don't know what "compile" even means.
...
So ... where is this rubbish you've stated as truth, that is in fact false, taken from?

Anyone who asks for information about CPU mining on cgminer is told that it is not supported and to not discuss the subject.
Even the cgminer README says it is not supported (and has for 1 year)
We don't want anyone to do CPU mining no matter how new to bitcoind (or stupid) they are.
None of the binaries we release allow CPU mining.

I use it on rare occasions in development to test run multiple cgminers - but it only takes a couple of minutes running on my desktop to shutdown my CPU due to overheating - so my test runs including CPU mining are usually quite short.

ckolivas did once completely remove it in a branch, but didn't end up putting it into the master (I can't remember why) but was probably due to being useful for code testing during development.

Quote
I chose a solution that made the most sense to me.
Really?
Offering CPU mining to people who are most likely ignorant of the stupidity of doing it ... makes the most sense?
Go figure.
Maybe you don't see it kano, but you're really starting to sound like the overbearing governments most of us are trying to avoid.  Protecting stupid people from making their own stupid decisions is exactly why we have so many dang laws and regulations around everything in the first place.  Let people have the freedom to make their own choices.  Let people mine with their CPU if they want.  Let DrHaribo give people the freedom to mine with their CPU if they want.  It is their choice, not yours.

Umm... I don't see Kano suggesting we make it illegal, with fines paid in BTC, for making a miner available that uses CPU.  He's just pointing out that it doesn't make sense mine with a CPU cost wise.  Some people here might not know that.

M
Kano is asking DrHaribo to remove the feature, which would limit the freedom of people to CPU mine if they wish to CPU mine.  Kind of like the government makes laws to try and protect stupid people from themselves which also limit the freedom of people.

If your purpose is to mine with a CPU for profit, then no, it doesn't make sense.  However, even kano himself just admitted that he does short testing runs with CPU mining.  Why remove the option and not let other people do CPU mining if they want?  Kano is essentially saying that what is good for him (CPU mining) isn't good for anyone else, and shouldn't be available to anyone else.  In my opinion, that is an absurd viewpoint.  There are a variety of reasons for a person to mine Bitcoins, and only one of those is for profit.  Others might include testing, experimenting, or educating.

He's suggesting.  Nothing else.  Not demanding.  Not filing a class action lawsuit.  Suggesting.  Doc is free to ignore or take his suggestion as he wishes.

I'm against government strongarming as much as anyone.  But this is not that.

M

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