Merit & new rank requirements

[rik1]

So will the useable smerit get destroy every month if we don't use them.

[JayJuanGee]

So will the useable smerit get destroy every month if we don't use them.

smerits do not get destroyed (or decay) for regular members unless the member is a merit source member. 

Currently, there are only 120 merit source members.  See this link:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Merit source members have to spend their source smerits every 30 days in order to regenerate more source smerits.  If they do not spend their source smerits within 30days, then the source merits will not regenerate until 30 days after they spend their smerits.   

[LoyceV]

It could be helpful if the forum were to provide a merit history that goes back more than 120 days in order that we might be able to corroborate that kind of information, if we think it is a relevant factor that we are researching into.

It would be helpful indeed, but theymos decided against it. I guess it's meant to prevent very large data dumps in the future.
Several users (including me) keep track of the full Merit history.

[TasosRiv]

It could be helpful if the forum were to provide a merit history that goes back more than 120 days in order that we might be able to corroborate that kind of information, if we think it is a relevant factor that we are researching into.

It would be helpful indeed, but theymos decided against it. I guess it's meant to prevent very large data dumps in the future.
Several users (including me) keep track of the full Merit history.

There is at least one system that does that, I'm quoting the original post.
I remember I had found another site, with a more use-friendly UI but I couldn't find it in my bookmarks, sorry!

I was in doubt: should this be in Meta or Reputation?

The forum only shows a Merit summary for the past 120 days. I've created the full history (up to theymos' last data dump, which updates on Friday) for all users. Merit abuse hunters may like this.

Update (22-6-2018):
Visit http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/459836.html for my full history. Change the userID to any other user that has either received or sent merit. Each user mentioned on the link has a link to his own history, so you can quickly "walk around".

Code:

http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/userID.html

I'll do weekly updates for the users that received merit that week.

Instead of manually entering the link, you can also find them here:
theymos' data (human readable format, including usernames and post titles) (currently 35 MB)
Usernames to go with theymos' data (currently 6 MB)

Update (29-6-2018):
I've added graphs to each user's Merit history. These are mine:
Merit sent by LoyceV:

Merit received by LoyceV:


Each column width is 5 days (10 pixels). "Days" start the second the first Merit was transfered, and count exactly 5*3600*24 seconds after that. It has nothing to do with calendar days in any time zone
The maximum is 100 Merit per column (2 pixels per Merit). If more than 100 Merit was transfered in a 5 day period, the top of the column gets darker.
It still needs something on the axes.

(the rest of this post is outdated)
Just use this format to post, and I'll post that user's full merit transaction history ASAP:

Code:

BitcointalkUserID:NUMBER

Replace "number" by the userID. I used to have my own userID as an example, but Piggy's quote was picked up by my scraper.
Note: output data gets quite large, so only one userID per request please.
Anyone not following the correct format will be ignored!
My scraper will process each post only once. Editing will be ignored.

(I'm hoping to automate posting soon)

[S_Therapist]

There is at least one system that does that, I'm quoting the original post.
I remember I had found another site, with a more use-friendly UI but I couldn't find it in my bookmarks, sorry!

Are you talking about Vod's BPIP project? Yes, it's quite interesting and useful. All logs are there of merited post.

[TasosRiv]

There is at least one system that does that, I'm quoting the original post.
I remember I had found another site, with a more use-friendly UI but I couldn't find it in my bookmarks, sorry!

Are you talking about Vod's BPIP project? Yes, it's quite interesting and useful. All logs are there of merited post.

Yep! That's the one! Thanks a lot!

[Kelvinovie2]

I believe this is one of the best post have ever made on this forum but no one has really given any merit so far and it's really not encouraging to other users, I believe I should be getting like 50merit on this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044423.msg46540318#msg46540318

[Steamtyme]

I believe this is one of the best post have ever made on this forum but no one has really given any merit so far and it's really not encouraging to other users, I believe I should be getting like 50merit on this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044423.msg46540318#msg46540318

What a load of horseshit. Oh my this generic, dribble hasn't received any merit in 9 hours oh my... Wish I had 50 to throw away before giving that even 1.

I probably wouldn't have tore it down so much if you weren't being a sniveling merit whiner. That has been discussed numerous times on the forum; hope you didn't really believe that was original in any sense. Try searching a little more.

[Speculatoross]

I believe this is one of the best post have ever made on this forum but no one has really given any merit so far and it's really not encouraging to other users, I believe I should be getting like 50merit on this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044423.msg46540318#msg46540318

So lucky you got (bought? from your alts?) at least 1 merit in this bounty spam bs
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025436.msg45742789#msg45742789

At least you can now wear signature and do more bounty!

https://youtu.be/LH-i8IvYIcg


(Try have a look at my sig.... i believe those are 3d worth some merits, cause are useful for the community providing informations on this crypto world. Matter of fact, i never complained if they got “fewer merit than expected”, cause i did those for spreading knowledge, not to earn any money)

[k0er]

So lucky you got (bought? from your alts?) at least 1 merit in this bounty spam bs
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025436.msg45742789#msg45742789
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Your example is "classic report"  . If you dont break the mouse wheel flipping through the report, it isnt worthy of merit. Something like this, but even more.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4456375.msg46563212#msg46563212
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3835338.msg46563868#msg46563868

[DdmrDdmr]

I believe this is one of the best post have ever made on this forum but no one has really given any merit so far and it's really not encouraging to other users, I believe I should be getting like 50merit on this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044423.msg46540318#msg46540318

Then you still don't grasp what merit is all about, nor does the referenced post author understand how to use the search function. There is already a 49 page long thread on the topic: What happens to your Bitcoin when you Die? .

[o_e_l_e_o]

Then you still don't grasp what merit is all about, nor does the referenced post author understand how to use the search function.

The referenced post author is himself. He is begging for merit. I just can't decide if he has delusions of grandeur and genuinely believes that post is the "best post ever made on the forum", or if he is so used to only being in threads with bounty reports and one line shitposts that a post with 4 whole lines to it is genuinely outstanding to him.

[coinlocket$]

Huge drop! Seems abuers already has ranks up their alts

[DdmrDdmr]

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That, alongside the possibility that the recently added merit sources are likely modest in terms of allowance, and may have emptied their pockets during the first week or two after been added. Well see if this allowance increases overtime, as I’ve read has happened to some Merit Sources in the past.

[shushanika]

So will the useable smerit get destroy every month if we don't use them.

smerits do not get destroyed (or decay) for regular members unless the member is a merit source member. 

Currently, there are only 120 merit source members.  See this link:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Merit source members have to spend their source smerits every 30 days in order to regenerate more source smerits.  If they do not spend their source smerits within 30days, then the source merits will not regenerate until 30 days after they spend their smerits.   

Good to know it does not get decayed but it seems it also does not get refilled, it would be great if from time to time it gets refilled so people who are not posting in areas where merit sources are active have a chance or earning it.

[S_Therapist]

Good to know it does not get decayed but it seems it also does not get refilled, it would be great if from time to time it gets refilled so people who are not posting in areas where merit sources are active have a chance or earning it.

And the same story as previous continues....
If sMerits get refilled from time to time, what is the reason behind introducing it? Also, which areas are you talking about? Altcoin section? Merit Sources don't have enough time to find out 1 quality post among 100 posts. Sorry, but that's the reality.
Other than altcoin section, current number of Merit sources are quite enough.

[JayJuanGee]

So will the useable smerit get destroy every month if we don't use them.

smerits do not get destroyed (or decay) for regular members unless the member is a merit source member. 

Currently, there are only 120 merit source members.  See this link:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Merit source members have to spend their source smerits every 30 days in order to regenerate more source smerits.  If they do not spend their source smerits within 30days, then the source merits will not regenerate until 30 days after they spend their smerits.   

Good to know it does not get decayed but it seems it also does not get refilled, it would be great if from time to time it gets refilled so people who are not posting in areas where merit sources are active have a chance or earning it.

As S_Therapist already responded to you, your point(s) are lost upon me (and apparently on S_Therapist, too?).

Think about what you are saying.  The merit system was introduced in order to attempt to take a significant dent out of the farming of BCT accounts in order to commercialize payment and to attempt for shit posters to earn a quasi-passive income from shit posting.  The introduction of the merit system, and how the merit system was designed, was meant to address that problematic shitposting and farming of account development that seemed to have gotten exponentially worse in the past year or so (or possibly one year prior to the implementation of the new system).

Merit member sources was an attempt to put several humans (or at least seeming human to the extent merit sources are to be considered human) in the process of reviewing posts and recognizing good (or at least better posts) as compared to some posts that are more obviously shit posts.  Actually sometimes it is obvious what is shit posts and what is not, but other times, there can be some difficulties and errors in determining the good, bad and the ugly, and still seemingly humans are better at that (as contrasted with an algorithm or some other possible methodology).

Your suggestion of giving each member a renewing bank of smerits might not be a bad idea, but it likely would have a tendency towards taking us back nearly to the same place that we started.

Surely this current merit system is far from perfect, but I currently believe that we have seen some members who have been able to earn a decent amount of merits and to "shine" in this new merit system.  Accordingly, I remain of the tentative conclusion (as several more senior members have also asserted) that if you make genuine posts on subjects that interest you, and you attempt to interact with members in threads that are genuinely interesting to you, you have a very decent chance of earning a sufficient amount of merits to rank up over time - even though it could take a bit longer than it would have taken for you under the prior (pre-merit) system.

Surely, as the current merit system remains in play (or some variation as we have seen it already tweaked), there are likely to be identified some issues.. For example, if theymos recognizes a bit of a ranking up problem, then he might be able to make some further tweaks to what we already have in order to make that ranking up better, if the new system seems to be preventing some seemingly deserving members from ranking up in a reasonable timeline given their contribution(s) to the forum.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

That, alongside the possibility that the recently added merit sources are likely modest in terms of allowance, and may have emptied their pockets during the first week or two after been added.

Yeah, I thought my sMerit supply was going to get topped up faster than it has--I forget how many merits I got when Theymos made me one of the new sources, but I used them all up pretty soon after he did it and I've yet to get any more.  I figured on the beginning of the month, but I was wrong apparently.  

Merit source members have to spend their source smerits every 30 days in order to regenerate more source smerits.  If they do not spend their source smerits within 30days, then the source merits will not regenerate until 30 days after they spend their smerits.  

So does that mean I should get replenished 30 days from the time I was added as a source or from when I spent my last merit-source sMerit or something like that?  

I'm curious but not concerned, and I'll figure it out eventually.  Anyway, I took a look around the Economics section today and didn't see any real newbies worth meriting.  The last few posts I've merited were from relatively senior members, but they were certainly deserving of it.

Edit:

Can't remember where I saw that.

Lol, I can't remember where I read what I read either.  I think it was Jet Cash who posted it in a thread or something.

[MOBbrothers]

Really like the new idea about merit , that would really lower the Multi account farming . Would be really nice to see who gave you merit aswell , what do you think guys ?

it is a nice idea to have that but honestly the Admin should be considerate. Reason is that Newbies are afraid of loosing a hard earn account TO BANNED. am not supporting the Multi account farming, am saying the rate at which account is been Banned should be considered please to avoid scarring members from creating post and thread.

[Steamtyme]

I remember it being 30 days from when you handed out the Smerit.

They don't come in a lump sum, so if you handed out 5 one day and 10 the next . 30 days from the first day you would be topped up with 5, and the following day you would receive another 10.

Can't remember where I saw that.

Edit: Stupid me deleted my post, reposting now

Can't remember where I saw that.

Lol, I can't remember where I read what I read either.  I think it was Jet Cash who posted it in a thread or something.

I think it was them or VOD, but it was early on probably first month or so.