Merit & new rank requirements

[Little Mouse]

Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

As a newbie, I believe that these people just make a valuable contribution to our forum and receive a well-deserved encouragement in the form of merit.
Probably, we beginners need to read what the experienced forum participants write and analyze why they receive merit.
In each message that receives merit, there is a “key” on how to get merit. If we learn to see this “key” and begin to use this “key”, then we will also start receiving merit.

Those people who will objectively engage here for having merits, may get 1 or 2. He/she can never be high ranked. But if he/she focuses on real discussion= quality, merit will be one of the easiest thing to gain.
There is no "key" to get merit without the one I mentioned.

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[LoyceV]

I highly doubt theymos would impose more restrictions on real users. Many new users go to this forum to ask for help with something related to Bitcoin (be it wallets, transactions or lost keys). Those users should not be forced to wait 30 days before they can create a new topic.

Why can't they wait for 30 days period, is that too high? I don't think so.
This is where we define the term "Hit & Run users".
So are you one of the supporters of "Hit & Run users".
I mean, are you really supporting such users, who will just use the forum for their very own Benefit / Needs or just when they need something (some help) from us and then leave the forum?

You make it sound as if that's a bad thing. It's not, those are real users who use the forum as it's intended, even though it's only once. Those users are not part of the spam problem, and shouldn't be restricted.
I've made accounts on several (specialized) forums in the past. Some I still use, some I registered only to solve a specific problem, and I even once registered somewhere just to thank someone for the large amount of information he posted.
If I would have to wait 30 days before I can ask a question, I wouldn't have used any of those forums. But like I said, those users aren't the problem, and some of them come back again after a while.

I believe that the user should be here forever like a Friend or a Family to interact here

Lol. This is Bitcointalk, and it stands for personal freedom. It's not a contract with the devil which captures your soul for eternity.
If I want to leave this forum today, nobody is going to stop me.

Even worse: what you suggest only hurts real users, while it doesn't matter for spammers at all! A spammer can easily create thousands of accounts, wait 30 days, and start spamming. In fact, many of the new spambots I've seen use older accounts already.

I can't find anything on that suggestion that could hurt any real users, real users shouldn't have a problem with it.

I imagine myself being the one with a certain problem. I search the internet, and find a community with many experts. I join, and want to ask my question so that I can solve the problem at hand and continue with my project.
If that's not possible within 30 days, this forum dies. This is what theymos posted about it:

Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.

The low signal-to-noise is a real issue which seriously annoys me and is often on my mind. But as you mention, fixing it non-destructively is difficult.

PS
Your first post was a new topic including links With your suggestions, that wouldn't have been possible.

My suggestion says, 30 Days wait period and 28 Activity. It never says the Newly Registered users cannot start a post ever in their lifetime. I would have indeed waited for 30 Days and made 2 post per day or so to gain the Activity, come-on.

That would mean the average user spams 28 posts before he gets to ask what he wanted to ask in the first place.

You can see that i travelled all the way from the Member Rank of Brand New to Jr. Member to Member with 34 Merits within a time-frame of 4 Months.

I saw that indeed. But I wouldn't consider this post to be worth 30 Merits. For reference, I've never received more than 11 Merits at once, in a total of 569 transactions.

Thank you everyone for reading this. Have a great day ahead.

A few comments to (IMO) improve your forum participation:
1. There's no need to send me a PM after receiving Merit. I merited your post, that's it.
2. You type very long stories, which makes it slow to read.
3. You're overdoing bold font.
Do with this advice what you want

[DeepuEzy]

LoyceV, what's wrong with you man..
Is everything alright?
Any issues going around with Friends, someone closer or anyone?
Don't mind me asking this, but i am really worried about you now..
You look so much frustrated over here..
Dragging a Suggestion to this Extent, i mean seriously?
I say it again, you should have read my NOTE in my first post, you wouldn't have said this all..

I highly doubt theymos would impose more restrictions on real users. Many new users go to this forum to ask for help with something related to Bitcoin (be it wallets, transactions or lost keys). Those users should not be forced to wait 30 days before they can create a new topic.

Why can't they wait for 30 days period, is that too high? I don't think so.
This is where we define the term "Hit & Run users".
So are you one of the supporters of "Hit & Run users".
I mean, are you really supporting such users, who will just use the forum for their very own Benefit / Needs or just when they need something (some help) from us and then leave the forum?

You make it sound as if that's a bad thing. It's not, those are real users who use the forum as it's intended, even though it's only once. Those users are not part of the spam problem, and shouldn't be restricted.
I've made accounts on several (specialized) forums in the past. Some I still use, some I registered only to solve a specific problem, and I even once registered somewhere just to thank someone for the large amount of information he posted.
If I would have to wait 30 days before I can ask a question, I wouldn't have used any of those forums. But like I said, those users aren't the problem, and some of them come back again after a while.

Hit & Run users is not a bad thing, but it's something that's not correct..

If you don't feel it that way it's simply because you seem to be one of those who have atleast 5-6 alternate accounts over there, well who knows the truth.. it may be possible?
1 Legendary Account and other Jr. Member or some rank accounts?
Anyways, that's nothing i should be concerned about, nor i want to make any allegations over here based upon assumptions, i can't..
That's personal to you.. so just cut it..


Now coming back to the point, you should better understand the meaning of the term forum, before you even comment on it..

One of the online defination of Forum says that, a Forum is a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged..
Focus on the word EXCHANGED, it's not otherwise like a 24/7 "Answer your Queries - Service Provider"

However according to you, it seems like a Forum is a place where we can get our account registered only when we have a problem, then vanish..
Come back again when we have another problem and then go away..
Wow!!

Next, How can you be so sure that those users are not part of the Spam Problem, are you one of them? lol
Don't judge or comment something based on the grounds of assumptions..

Just because you are a Legendary Members here, some Members may indeed support you, you may also get some Merits or so responses, however i don't really care about it, as long as i know what i'm saying is the truth and a fact you can't deny, although you do it publicly over here..

Whatever you say here, is just your Point of View, it doesn't mean that's always correct..

I believe that the user should be here forever like a Friend or a Family to interact here

Lol. This is Bitcointalk, and it stands for personal freedom. It's not a contract with the devil which captures your soul for eternity.
If I want to leave this forum today, nobody is going to stop me.

Off-course i didn't said BitcoinTalk is a Jail or something, you better read my complete post and then comment, instead of just taking out a Snippet from it and acting smart..
If you got some personal problem with me, then you better say that clearly, no need to post a comment for every Comma or Dot that i make, when you don't understand the meaning behind that post..
If you lost your senses, i think..

Even worse: what you suggest only hurts real users, while it doesn't matter for spammers at all! A spammer can easily create thousands of accounts, wait 30 days, and start spamming. In fact, many of the new spambots I've seen use older accounts already.

I can't find anything on that suggestion that could hurt any real users, real users shouldn't have a problem with it.

I imagine myself being the one with a certain problem. I search the internet, and find a community with many experts. I join, and want to ask my question so that I can solve the problem at hand and continue with my project.
If that's not possible within 30 days, this forum dies.

Are you a God or something?
You mean to say, you will search for a problem and reach this Forum?
What exactly would you search that diverts you to this forum directly via. Google ?

Let's assume somehow you managed to reached this forum with your query..
You also joined the community and found on Day-1 itself that there are experts out there ?
You would take sometime go understand the forum, go through the various sections and then conclude this statement..

Also, if that's a common Problem / Issue that you searched for, the answer for that would already exist over here..
You just need to know, how to use the "Search Box"
If it doesn't exist, then you should have patience of sometime..
Don't take any forum as a Tech Expert service provider to give you instant solutions on Day 1 itself, if that would have exist then there was no need of people paying anything to anyone..
Freelancers wouldn't exist.. Premium support wouldn't exist..


A forum never dies that way dude, how many people do register and start a Topic to ask something related to a Project Work? I mean really?

Do not compare a Forum with something else..


Dear user, this is not a Livechat or a Ticketing System to answer your queries when you post them..
You help others, others will help you..
It's indeed a give and take policy..
Although the people who help others are not expecting anything in return, they do it for free with 0 Expectations.. as they love what they do, but then they atleast expect that you also help someone else with the knowledge you have, when the appropiate times arrives..

Forum is not a platform to get yourself registered when you need some help and then runaway..
Just feed that little thing on your mind, it will clear your concept about the forum..


If you don't have patience and want yourself to get served immediately on the forum, then you should better hire a developer, freelancer or a get premium support from some other websites, a forum is not the place to serve you everything only when you need them as per your protocols..

PS
Your first post was a new topic including links With your suggestions, that wouldn't have been possible.

My suggestion says, 30 Days wait period and 28 Activity. It never says the Newly Registered users cannot start a post ever in their lifetime. I would have indeed waited for 30 Days and made 2 post per day or so to gain the Activity, come-on.

That would mean the average user spams 28 posts before he gets to ask what he wanted to ask in the first place.

That's the way a person who didn't read my Suggestion Post clearly would think.
The user would be restricted to post only 2 Post per day, so 2 post per day is too much Spam, really?

On the other hand, you won't even mind helping out the Staff to help them to fight against such Spam Post, right?
But i indeed do it always, since the time i joined here, so why can't you?
It doesn't take much time..
Whenever i report about a post, the Moderators took the action immediately, i have seen that myself..
I have reported more than 100 Post till date, they indeed handled it properly and have taken proper care of the same.
When we have active Staff on the Forum, where do you see the problem?
So if you (anyone user who saw the Spam Post first) found out that someone is spamming post, the user needs to use the Report to Moderator option and they will do the rest.
This way the Spammer User would never reach the target of 28 Activity, unless he makes Non-Spam post.

Every user in this forum is active at some of the Sections of this forum, if everyone does their part of contribution, then the forum would be spam free soon..
Off-course, this is not your cup of tea, as if you report about a post that won't give you the Showoff Performance or any kind of Publicity, which you usually expect from every post of yours in this forum..
So better not talk about it, when you can't be of any help to the forum to fight against Spammers.

You can see that i travelled all the way from the Member Rank of Brand New to Jr. Member to Member with 34 Merits within a time-frame of 4 Months.

I saw that indeed. But I wouldn't consider this post to be worth 30 Merits. For reference, I've never received more than 11 Merits at once, in a total of 569 transactions.

I can feel a smell of jealously over here. Just because you couldn't get more than 11 Merits for your post, you got pissed off with me. So this was the primary reason for you getting mad over me until now? Lol
Should have said this before itself.
What would you do with all these Merits? Convert it to Bitcoin or so?
Why do people like you run after Merits, just contribute on the forum and expect nothing in return, that's the simple rule.
The post where i received 30 Merit was found as worth for it at-least by 1 Member, so i don't care what you think about the Post. That post is something that i do for the Poor People over here to help them out, so this won't make any sense to a person like you, who got no feelings for others, nor any understandings in real life.
I am contributing a good amount of money to help the poor from my earnings every month, hence i don't need to prove anything to you on have a debate upon this, whether that post is worth 30 Merit or not.
But the Legendary Member that gave me 30 Merits, i respect him so much, at-least he is the one who read that post completely and gave a Merit.
Even-though i never expected a single Merit from anyone, as i thought that post would never be noticed by anyone Senior, but that was quite a surprise to me..

Keeping all that aside, i have seen users receiving 40 Merits as well, may-be even more than that, however i just saw 40 once in a post.
There are also people who received Merit for a post that doesn't even deserve one, a post that got nothing special in it, looks like a Merit was simply given to upgrade the User or so..
So did you ever bothered to comment over there?
Why would you, when you have a specific target, right?

When you didn't do your homework well, do not comment. Better to stay out of it..

Thank you everyone for reading this. Have a great day ahead.

A few comments to (IMO) improve your forum participation:
1. There's no need to send me a PM after receiving Merit. I merited your post, that's it.
2. You type very long stories, which makes it slow to read.
3. You're overdoing bold font.
Do with this advice what you want

1. There's no need to send me a PM after receiving Merit. I merited your post, that's it.
This clearly looks like a showoff performance.
I really hate such showoff people.
Thanking someone is not a criminal offence, nor does it violates the policy or protocols of any forum..
The way your saying it here seems like i abused your on PM or so ?
You gave me a Merit on my Post, i just gave a Thank You message in return, end of the story..
Grow up dude.. stop acting like a kid now, your a Legendary Member, don't behave like a Newbie for god's sake..
The least we can expect from you is to behave like a mature.
Damm, i just can't believe it, you said it here.
I mean a Private Message is indeed a Private Message, and your replying back to a PM in a post instead.
You didn't had he guts to respond back to PM and respond back if you had a problem with my Thanking Message ?

Do you the reason why you did this?
Just because you wanted to perform this little showoff stunt..
So did that bring some smile on your face?
Are you actually smiling now? Rofl..

Well, enough of the smiling then, just for your very kind information, i am a person who Thanks everyone who does anything for me, doesn't matter how small or how big that is..
So don't consider yourself as something special or a VIP to whom i have specifically selected & thanked..
Your not the only person i've Thanked in this forum or anywhere else..
I have thanked every person who has appreciated me or my work with a Merit, a Response or anything.. doesn't matter how small or how big it is..
I am really sorry, i can't act so rude like you do with others..

So stop acting like a kid and keep your negative attitude & ego towards yourself. This is not the right place to reveal it..

You know what the funny part is, that makes me feel that you indeed have some problem with your?
You gave me a Merit in my Post..
Then, i sent you a "Thank you message in PM"
That literally pissed you off and you realised that i need to do something special about this guy as he looks like an interesting member.. so this is the right time to make some post and get some Merits or so.. lol..
Finally, you start to post baseless messages..

2. You type very long stories, which makes it slow to read.
If that looks like a story to you, it's high time you realise that your not fit for any forum..
Because that's defined as a detailed explanation to people like you, who don't understand anything, regardless of whether we break our heads to the walls and start to bleed..

3. You're overdoing bold font.
Overdoing? What a crap?
That's what it's called to present a text in a neat and tidy manner, so that the person reading the post can know the highlighted parts of it.
Although, a person like you won't even understand stand.
Just look at yourself, for no reason your digging out small small things from the post, when there is nothing more for you to say..
Really funny..

Do with this advice what you want
Don't you dare even think to give me any Suggestions or Advice because an immature person can't ever give an advice to me or anyone..
Your just a person full of ego and negative attitude, you might be having a fight with someone everyday and you just visit this forum to take out your frustration over others via. Post.
Really sad..
You better improve your Nature and Behaviour with others, else it would be a tough time for you in the future. If you behave in this way on forum, i wonder how you would be in real life as well.

The issues with some high rank people like you are, you think that all low rank members are your servants or so and they work under you..
You just try to put them down, whenever or wherever you want, whether it's a post or a topic..
However there are many good members under that Legendary Rank, hence it won't matter to me much if there are few annoyed people like you in this forum, whose life is dedicated for nothing more than doing these kind of activities..

I know how to treat people like you, so instead of giving me some advice, you better grow-up once in your life and look-back and see, What you really are & what kind of nature you really possess.

Although i don't give a damm about post, i said this much just to conclude my talk with you, so that others know about your behaviour and your maturity level..


I don't have any advice or anything for you, but just 1 statement, try to stay away from my Topics/Post henceforth..
I know you can't because people like you got no other work than to hunt the post of Low Rank Members and start to post all stupid comments over there for publicity, still if possible try to keep a safer distance from my Topic/Post.


I am registered in so many forums, including forums having different Interests/Areas like IT, Education, Social Cause etc..
I even hold an Admin / Moderator Ranks in some of them where i'm active daily, moreover i even gained a lot of achievements till date..

I know this is not the right place to Disclose/Show my Biodata, i said this because this is the first time someone is even trying to Raise/Point their hands over me in a disrespectul way.. that too without even thinking about anything..


You can't even understand a Post, you don't even read a post in full, simply read some contents of the post from here & there and start to act too smart..

What your saying doesn't fit the conversation from where these posts have started..
Your just diverting this to something different and taking this too much personally now, seems like you got so many issues with me personally..
Either with the 30 Merit that i have received or may-be something else.. or it could be that you do this with everyone around..


You better come out of the little pond in which your swimming alone where you consider your as the 1st Rank Holder and then only speak..
You will realise the bitter truth about yourself..
In-fact, look at the mirror once and ask yourself, do you even have humanity left within you anymore? You will indeed get the answer..


To be very honest, if i had an option under my profile named Kids or Immature Users then i would have indeed Added / Tagged you as a top priority on the list..
Apart from that, if there was a way to Delete the Merit added by you on my post, i would have done that immediately, without even a second thought..


You know what, my BitcoinTalk friend texted me on Skype after reading all these trailing post & informed me that "This is why i stay away from such talks, there are certain hand-picked High Rank Member would indeed show-up from nowhere and start to post something irrevelant and then you keep going-on with the conversation and waste your time altogether. So better to stick with the forum on the Sections where your actually interested in. Don't do too much of Helping or Suggestion works on the forum, else you will loose your time as it won't be appreciated by some High Rank Member."

Actually, hats off to you my dear Skype Friend, i should have actually listened to you, my bad..


Enough of this, i have already wasted so much time with you, it's not possible to make you understand anything, when your mind is set with full of ego..
You can never admit the truth..

Hence, do not drag this conversation any further by adding more responses again & again, this will end nowhere, trust me..
I really got no time for all this anymore, nor can i type things in detailed manner again & again to make you understand the truth..


Seriously speaking, do not kill this Topic with such post anymore, that's all i have to say now..
I posted a Suggestion, you don't like it, ignore it, that's all..
Freedom of speech is indeed applicable, as that's what a forum is all about, but your just here to create a cat fight, which will end nowhere..
The road will end but the discussions won't..


So with this, i am wrapping up this conversation once and for all..


Lastly, wish you a good luck on the forum, may God help you get well soon.. I would actually pray..


NOTE:
I know that my Post is way too much lengthy for anyone to read it, i do apologise for that, however there wasn't anyway i could shorten it, as i wanted to give the user LoyceV a detailed response for his behaviour.
Thank you for the understanding, God bless you all..

[JayJuanGee]

NOTE:
Last but not the least, if my above post of Suggestions looks like a trash to everyone, then i would highly recommend a Staff to Delete it right-away. It's quite simple, why to unnecessarily drag the conversation over here if that post means useless to everyone.

You can suggest whatever you want, and there are a few levels in which it can be taken, including levels of support.

By the way, bouncing around ideas in this thread may or may not matter, and let's say 99.94% of members are in favor of a certain policy change, yet in the end, theymos owns the forum, so unless he agrees to make the change, the level of support remains one factor and is not necessarily a deal maker/breaker.

Further, just because some members might find what you say to be stupid or unimportant does not mean that it rises to the level of deletion or that you should be banned from the forum for saying it - or executed, for that matter.. hahahahhahaha

Get real, DeepuEzy....  Even if in your mind, you have wonderful ideas, they certainly don't appear to be slam dunks, even if you attempt to present them as such.  There are levels of graduation of whether people agree or disagree with the ideas of others, and generally you are free to make suggestions, even if they are perceived as stupendous by yourself or dumb (non-persuasive) by other members.

If I want to leave this forum today, nobody is going to stop me.

Have you been to your front door recently?  There are men with guns.... So there.  You are not leaving, LoyceV. 

[DeepuEzy]

NOTE:
Last but not the least, if my above post of Suggestions looks like a trash to everyone, then i would highly recommend a Staff to Delete it right-away. It's quite simple, why to unnecessarily drag the conversation over here if that post means useless to everyone.

You can suggest whatever you want, and there are a few levels in which it can be taken, including levels of support.

By the way, bouncing around ideas in this thread may or may not matter, and let's say 99.94% of members are in favor of a certain policy change, yet in the end, theymos owns the forum, so unless he agrees to make the change, the level of support remains one factor and is not necessarily a deal maker/breaker.

Further, just because some members might find what you say to be stupid or unimportant does not mean that it rises to the level of deletion or that you should be banned from the forum for saying it - or executed, for that matter.. hahahahhahaha

Get real, DeepuEzy....  Even if in your mind, you have wonderful ideas, they certainly don't appear to be slam dunks, even if you attempt to present them as such.  There are levels of graduation of whether people agree or disagree with the ideas of others, and generally you are free to make suggestions, even if they are perceived as stupendous by yourself or dumb (non-persuasive) by other members.

Unbelievable.. again ? 

Can we stop this now?
My head is really paining now.. 

I have never ever typed such lengthy Post in my life, but you made me do that today..
You can really make a person go mad & even upside down with your post..
You got that talent in you, trust me.. lol.. 

Jokes apart, on a serious note, i really can't dedicate my life responding to your Quotes again & again, so please stop this now.. it's really a request..

To be very honest, i would have never posted in this Topic, if i knew you were guarding this topic with your life..
I mean seriously..

By the way, should i transfer some Bitcoins to you at the Bitcoin Address enlisted in your profile, to stop all this? lol 

Just chill out dude, with all due respect, don't take everything so much deeper into your heart, just chill..

I have a feeling like, you would be running after me holding a knife, if i would have ever met you in person..
#JustKidding

Anyways, thank you so much for your participation with me till now..

Please read this Post as a final response to this and just ignore it..

End of the Chapter..

[k0er]

[JayJuanGee]

NOTE:
Last but not the least, if my above post of Suggestions looks like a trash to everyone, then i would highly recommend a Staff to Delete it right-away. It's quite simple, why to unnecessarily drag the conversation over here if that post means useless to everyone.

You can suggest whatever you want, and there are a few levels in which it can be taken, including levels of support.

By the way, bouncing around ideas in this thread may or may not matter, and let's say 99.94% of members are in favor of a certain policy change, yet in the end, theymos owns the forum, so unless he agrees to make the change, the level of support remains one factor and is not necessarily a deal maker/breaker.

Further, just because some members might find what you say to be stupid or unimportant does not mean that it rises to the level of deletion or that you should be banned from the forum for saying it - or executed, for that matter.. hahahahhahaha

Get real, DeepuEzy....  Even if in your mind, you have wonderful ideas, they certainly don't appear to be slam dunks, even if you attempt to present them as such.  There are levels of graduation of whether people agree or disagree with the ideas of others, and generally you are free to make suggestions, even if they are perceived as stupendous by yourself or dumb (non-persuasive) by other members.

Unbelievable.. again ?  

Largely, it does not fare well to get emotional about posts on the internet.

Can we stop this now?

When you engage in an interactive process on a publicly open thread, you run the risk of many responses, as well as the conversation going in a direction that is beyond your control.

My head is really paining now..  

I have never ever typed such lengthy Post in my life, but you made me do that today..
You can really make a person go mad & even upside down with your post..
You got that talent in you, trust me.. lol..  

Hopefully, you have control over your own reaction... so I am not sure what purpose is present to suggest that anyone else (including me) is causing you to respond, in length?

Jokes apart, on a serious note, i really can't dedicate my life responding to your Quotes again & again, so please stop this now.. it's really a request..

likely to get the opposite reaction, if you are ordering folks around on the interwebs.  

To be very honest, i would have never posted in this Topic, if i knew you were guarding this topic with your life..
I mean seriously..

That is your reading, and seems quasi-irrelevant.

By the way, should i transfer some Bitcoins to you at the Bitcoin Address enlisted in your profile, to stop all this? lol  

Do what you like.  I don't recall ever getting a donation, and I suppose that would be the first, after several years having various bitcoin addresses listed on my profile.  I would not imagine that any kind of bitcoin payment to my address would have much change on my posting behavior, even though it would be a curious happening from my perspective.  If you were to send me 100 bitcoins, for example, then that could cause quite a dilemma for me, regarding when and how to cash them out... hahahahahaha

Just chill out dude, with all due respect, don't take everything so much deeper into your heart, just chill..

You are repeating yourself with nonsensical barking orders that seem to be beyond your control, which could cause more attention to your genuineness, credibility or integrity rather than mine.

I have a feeling like, you would be running after me holding a knife, if i would have ever met you in person..
#JustKidding

That's crazy, and generally it is not necessary or intended for forum folks to meet in person.  

By the way, there seems to be common sense that there is some difference regarding how people interact in person and how they interact on line, and furthermore, there are some bots among us too, who would have some very difficult times interacting in-person, since they are not persons.

Anyways, thank you so much for your participation with me till now..

That response could be characterized as passive aggressive, no?  Do you know what passive aggressive means?  Are you a bot, DeepuEzy?

Please read this Post as a final response to this and just ignore it..

End of the Chapter..

I will believe it when I see it.  

[DeepuEzy]

NOTE:
Last but not the least, if my above post of Suggestions looks like a trash to everyone, then i would highly recommend a Staff to Delete it right-away. It's quite simple, why to unnecessarily drag the conversation over here if that post means useless to everyone.

You can suggest whatever you want, and there are a few levels in which it can be taken, including levels of support.

By the way, bouncing around ideas in this thread may or may not matter, and let's say 99.94% of members are in favor of a certain policy change, yet in the end, theymos owns the forum, so unless he agrees to make the change, the level of support remains one factor and is not necessarily a deal maker/breaker.

Further, just because some members might find what you say to be stupid or unimportant does not mean that it rises to the level of deletion or that you should be banned from the forum for saying it - or executed, for that matter.. hahahahhahaha

Get real, DeepuEzy....  Even if in your mind, you have wonderful ideas, they certainly don't appear to be slam dunks, even if you attempt to present them as such.  There are levels of graduation of whether people agree or disagree with the ideas of others, and generally you are free to make suggestions, even if they are perceived as stupendous by yourself or dumb (non-persuasive) by other members.

Unbelievable.. again ?  

Largely, it does not fare well to get emotional about posts on the internet.

Can we stop this now?

When you engage in an interactive process on a publicly open thread, you run the risk of many responses, as well as the conversation going in a direction that is beyond your control.

My head is really paining now..  

I have never ever typed such lengthy Post in my life, but you made me do that today..
You can really make a person go mad & even upside down with your post..
You got that talent in you, trust me.. lol..  

Hopefully, you have control over your own reaction... so I am not sure what purpose is present to suggest that anyone else (including me) is causing you to respond, in length?

Jokes apart, on a serious note, i really can't dedicate my life responding to your Quotes again & again, so please stop this now.. it's really a request..

likely to get the opposite reaction, if you are ordering folks around on the interwebs.  

To be very honest, i would have never posted in this Topic, if i knew you were guarding this topic with your life..
I mean seriously..

That is your reading, and seems quasi-irrelevant.

By the way, should i transfer some Bitcoins to you at the Bitcoin Address enlisted in your profile, to stop all this? lol  

Do what you like.  I don't recall ever getting a donation, and I suppose that would be the first, after several years having various bitcoin addresses listed on my profile.  I would not imagine that any kind of bitcoin payment to my address would have much change on my posting behavior, even though it would be a curious happening from my perspective.  If you were to send me 100 bitcoins, for example, then that could cause quite a dilemma for me, regarding when and how to cash them out... hahahahahaha

Just chill out dude, with all due respect, don't take everything so much deeper into your heart, just chill..

You are repeating yourself with nonsensical barking orders that seem to be beyond your control, which could cause more attention to your genuineness, credibility or integrity rather than mine.

I have a feeling like, you would be running after me holding a knife, if i would have ever met you in person..
#JustKidding

That's crazy, and generally it is not necessary or intended for forum folks to meet in person.  

By the way, there seems to be common sense that there is some difference regarding how people interact in person and how they interact on line, and furthermore, there are some bots among us too, who would have some very difficult times interacting in-person, since they are not persons.

Anyways, thank you so much for your participation with me till now..

That response could be characterized as passive aggressive, no?  Do you know what passive aggressive means?  Are you a bot, DeepuEzy?

Please read this Post as a final response to this and just ignore it..

End of the Chapter..

I will believe it when I see it.  

Oh my goodness, 2 more person..
Too much..

btw, i was actually expecting your response quite earlier itself..
Were you asleep or something until now?
How did it took so long for you to post a comment?

Seems like, as i have already mentioned in my previous Post, the few hand picked people with full of negative attitude have joined hands together & creating a team to do some negative post against me..

Your post is self-explanatory, as my last response was not meant for you, it was clearly for the other user for whom it was even posted as a response, still you got yourself attached to it, that too in a much detailed way, so it's simple that you were asked to post the negative funny comments..

That's really funny, though..

So, are you guys communicating with each other over Skype to do this or it's happening via. ICQ or some other medium ?
lol..

I'm sure you would be gathering more people now, to post something negative against me over here, after-all this is what we can least expect from people like you..

But i feel sad when Legendary Members are supporting each other this way.. instead of reading my First Post and understanding the Positive Side of it..

You guys are Legendary Member, at-least have some Shame and feel Guilty when you post without reading and thinking..
This behaviour doesn't suit you guys..
Don't misuse your High Rank account to post such thing, you will soon regret it someday..

Corruption would never end, whether Online or Offline..

At-least fear God, you can't hide from God after doing all these things..


If ever you start your own Forum in future, you will come to know the issues i was talking about, that time you will realise whatever i said was a indeed fact and not something useless..

I wish someone mature checks my Post in the future and realise this soon..

Until then, keep posting such negative comments and have fun with it, as this is what brings joy in your life Mr. Legendary..
Someday you will surely realise your mistakes and regret..

Anyways, I'm off to bed now..

God save people like you..

[JayJuanGee]

[edited out]

btw, i was actually expecting your response quite earlier itself..
Were you asleep or something until now?
How did it took so long for you to post a comment?

Yeah.. I don't have anything better to do than to respond to childishness.

Seems like, as i have already mentioned in my previous Post, the few hand picked people with full of negative attitude have joined hands together & creating a team to do some negative post against me..

The world is out to get you, of course.

Your post is self-explanatory, as my last response was not meant for you, it was clearly for the other user for whom it was even posted as a response, still you got yourself attached to it, that too in a much detailed way, so it's simple that you were asked to post the negative funny comments..

When you post on a public forum, you can get responses  from anyone, and such responsive posts might not even be about you, believe it or not.

But i feel sad when Legendary Members are supporting each other this way.. instead of reading my First Post and understanding the Positive Side of it..

You live in lala land if you believe that anyone has time to conspire against you, when you are hardly even known.

[JayJuanGee]

I just noticed on one of the merit searching websites that I use that it appears that merits are no longer counted for posts that get deleted.

Is this a change?  If so, was the change announced by theymos or anyone else?

Ultimately, if what I am observing is correct (merits do not get counted from deleted posts), it seems to be a good policy/practice that I had previously thought to be otherwise (I used to believe that merits were not reversible, even if the receiving merit post gets subsequently deleted).

[LoyceV]

I just noticed on one of the merit searching websites that I use that it appears that merits are no longer counted for posts that get deleted.

Can you show an example? As far as I know, Merit stays when posts are deleted.
I only know of one case in which theymos returned 150 sMerit that was sent from a hacked account.

Unless it's a merit source that went rogue, in that case theymos  already announced he's willing to undo all source Merit transactions. And that makes me even more curious to see an example.

[JayJuanGee]

I just noticed on one of the merit searching websites that I use that it appears that merits are no longer counted for posts that get deleted.

Can you show an example? As far as I know, Merit stays when posts are deleted.
I only know of one case in which theymos returned 150 sMerit that was sent from a hacked account.

Unless it's a merit source that went rogue, in that case theymos  already announced he's willing to undo all source Merit transactions. And that makes me even more curious to see an example.

I only have one example because today was the first time that I had seen such a situation in which it seems that a merit had been given, and then the post was subsequently deleted which caused the merit to no longer be counted in the number received.

You can see it listed in the total merits received here (as 16), but the profile only has 15 merits credit because it appears that the merit of the deleted post was not counted towards current total of merits received.

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=ThePunisher49X

[LoyceV]

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=ThePunisher49X

There's a bug in BPIP:

Hey @Vod, is there any glitch in the merit stats?

Yes, I am hunting down a bug that will sometimes give a merit to the wrong person...  :/

Could this be the cause? Or did you see the number of Merits go down in the profile on Bitcointalk?

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>
You can see it listed in the total merits received here (as 16), but the profile only has 15 merits credit because it appears that the merit of the deleted post was not counted towards current total of merits received.

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=ThePunisher49X
<...>

The second entrance on the Sent detail (7/24/2018 12:09:54 AM) seems to be wrong since, if you follow the link, it points to a post merited by you but to @infofront on a different date/time.
My account has been off 1 merit for some time now, so there may be a few minor bugs.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Here is another view of the merit history, using LoyceV's tool.
http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/1381048.html
and here is the profile link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1381048

Counting those shows that he has received 15, same as on his profile page in the forum.

The deleted message >
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3308553.msg35975922#msg35975922
Note the Topic ID >3308553

Edit> The deleted post was in a thread that got deleted. Here is the cached copy in google >


BTW, found an bug in the LoyceV's data. It shows that one other post was deleted too, which is not the case.

[nabinkhadka]

Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

What is your opinion?  You believe that smerit should be spent as a charity towards lower ranking members, merely for existing? or to help lower ranked members to bounty hunt or join signature campaigns?

Also, if you believe that there should be some kind of guidance for who and how smerits should be given out, then where does that leave individual member's discretion about when and how to spend their smerits?  

Is there any value to individual member discretion over their own spendable merits?

Actually, if you read a bit more into this thread, including even the first page of this thread, if you attempt to understand the merit system and even some of the motivations for it, then you might be able to formulate your questions a bit better.  

At this point in time, your formulation of your question(s) is NOT very good and comes off as self-interested, "little informed" and seems to attempt to get answers to points that have already been made over and over in this very thread.

Hello , thank you for your answer but i  didn't understand what you meant to say.  Me i joined bitcoin talk forum only after i knew about bounty camp and there were req just to post may be 20 25 words posts in a sig camp and i did only to fulfill the requirement for sig camp. and now when again it is mandatory to get merit i start to look after the topics about merit and it seems it is complicated thing and mostly when i see the posts i saw most cases the member who have very high rank are merited by other member. my opinion is why cannot we just stop signature camp in bitcoin talk ?  is this really necessary for the growth of bitcoin ? will sig camp help investors or startups ? is this step even thinkable or doable in order to control spams for bounty tokens ?

You make little to no sense.

You want to participate in signature and bounty campaigns, but you want the forum to discontinue such practice(s).

Aren't you talking out of both sides of your mouth?

Regarding the understandability of my earlier responsive post, perhaps you should attempt to read it a few more times (and attempt to understand what I am saying therein), rather than spouting out a repetition of your earlier talking point(s) while ignoring nearly every single point that I made in my post.

You seem out of touch and unwilling to either understand the perspectives of other members or to interact with other members, which seems to be evident from your responsive (if we could call it "responsive") post to me, and even from your shitty post history.

Do you have answers to all the questions that i mentioned in my post ? I cant understand how a question that is related to growth of btc doesnot make sense in btc forum itself ?

[finaleshot2016]

my opinion is why cannot we just stop signature camp in bitcoin talk ?  is this really necessary for the growth of bitcoin ? will sig camp help investors or startups ? is this step even thinkable or doable in order to control spams for bounty tokens ?

Before I answer your questions, I'm gonna ask you one thing. What's your true intention of getting here? Is it the mastery of other systems of modern tech or is it just about profit?

Campaign obviously helps the promotion of the project, e.g If you're having an intellectual project with a great team but no one knows about the idea. Do you think the project will reach their goal? even the softest cap is roughly impossible. You know it's a big time opportunity then why limit the factors of reaching the success?

As long as we're gaining ideas about bitcoin, it's a healthy situation. It's not about the growth of the BTC, it's about how will you express the idea/learning and the opportunity of being here in the crypto world.

Does the merits received by the high ranks really affect you? It should be an inspiration for you to improve.

[JayJuanGee]

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=ThePunisher49X

There's a bug in BPIP:

Hey @Vod, is there any glitch in the merit stats?

Yes, I am hunting down a bug that will sometimes give a merit to the wrong person...  :/

Could this be the cause? Or did you see the number of Merits go down in the profile on Bitcointalk?

The BPIP bug(s) that Vod is hunting down, outlined above, seems to be referring to a different phenomenon from the situation that I described, which is whether merits are subtracted if merited posts are deleted..

It seems that your understanding (LoyceV) and mine are the same.  The merits should not be deleted, so it seems to me that the jury is still out about whether there are circumstances in which merits might be deleted (along with deleted posts) beyond extreme intervention abuse situation that seem to be exceptions and had been previously mentioned, as extreme case exceptions, by theymos.

Here is another view of the merit history, using LoyceV's tool.
http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/1381048.html
and here is the profile link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1381048

Counting those shows that he has received 15, same as on his profile page in the forum.

The deleted message >
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3308553.msg35975922#msg35975922
Note the Topic ID >3308553

Edit> The deleted post was in a thread that got deleted. Here is the cached copy in google >


BTW, found an bug in the LoyceV's data. It shows that one other post was deleted too, which is not the case.

This iasenko investigation seems to explain the situation - while simultaneously pointing out unresolved bugs of a different nature from the original question.

[JayJuanGee]

<...>
You can see it listed in the total merits received here (as 16), but the profile only has 15 merits credit because it appears that the merit of the deleted post was not counted towards current total of merits received.

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=ThePunisher49X
<...>

The second entrance on the Sent detail (7/24/2018 12:09:54 AM) seems to be wrong since, if you follow the link, it points to a post merited by you but to @infofront on a different date/time.
My account has been off 1 merit for some time now, so there may be a few minor bugs.

I see that now that I click on the link.  By the BPIP summary, I had assumed that I had given a merit to ThePunisher49x, but that particular BPIP link does not provide the actual evidence of the actual post that I would have merited ThePunisher49x.  So perhaps I had never merited that particular user?

It could be helpful if the forum were to provide a merit history that goes back more than 120 days in order that we might be able to corroborate that kind of information, if we think it is a relevant factor that we are researching into.

[JayJuanGee]

Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

What is your opinion?  You believe that smerit should be spent as a charity towards lower ranking members, merely for existing? or to help lower ranked members to bounty hunt or join signature campaigns?

Also, if you believe that there should be some kind of guidance for who and how smerits should be given out, then where does that leave individual member's discretion about when and how to spend their smerits?  

Is there any value to individual member discretion over their own spendable merits?

Actually, if you read a bit more into this thread, including even the first page of this thread, if you attempt to understand the merit system and even some of the motivations for it, then you might be able to formulate your questions a bit better.  

At this point in time, your formulation of your question(s) is NOT very good and comes off as self-interested, "little informed" and seems to attempt to get answers to points that have already been made over and over in this very thread.

Hello , thank you for your answer but i  didn't understand what you meant to say.  Me i joined bitcoin talk forum only after i knew about bounty camp and there were req just to post may be 20 25 words posts in a sig camp and i did only to fulfill the requirement for sig camp. and now when again it is mandatory to get merit i start to look after the topics about merit and it seems it is complicated thing and mostly when i see the posts i saw most cases the member who have very high rank are merited by other member. my opinion is why cannot we just stop signature camp in bitcoin talk ?  is this really necessary for the growth of bitcoin ? will sig camp help investors or startups ? is this step even thinkable or doable in order to control spams for bounty tokens ?

You make little to no sense.

You want to participate in signature and bounty campaigns, but you want the forum to discontinue such practice(s).

Aren't you talking out of both sides of your mouth?

Regarding the understandability of my earlier responsive post, perhaps you should attempt to read it a few more times (and attempt to understand what I am saying therein), rather than spouting out a repetition of your earlier talking point(s) while ignoring nearly every single point that I made in my post.

You seem out of touch and unwilling to either understand the perspectives of other members or to interact with other members, which seems to be evident from your responsive (if we could call it "responsive") post to me, and even from your shitty post history.

Do you have answers to all the questions that i mentioned in my post ? I cant understand how a question that is related to growth of btc doesnot make sense in btc forum itself ?

Who gives a ratt's ass about your questions?  


By the way, finaleshot2016 has already provided you more than enough of a response to your stupidity and lack of attempt at thinking about the matter.

Largely, you already have proven yourself to be a disingenuous shit stirrer who fails and refuses to appreciate or recognize the past practice of the forum or its value  - and that remains discretionary and historical, and you don't just make or suggest major discretionary changes without first appreciating the dynamics of the practice that you are criticizing and whining to change.  

Perhaps attempting to work within the system first and then attempting to make meaningful suggestions from that striving for knowledge and perspective rather than coming in as a newbie proposing some kind of radical revolution and acting as if you are providing innovative insight, when you are not.