[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[Majormax]

Some nice  FUD aka Slandering of DASH is going on again.

I don't see much FUD compared with the last couple months, which is a pity, because it airs issues and brings attention. The truth always comes out, which is good for all.

The posters and trolls seem to have given up. Come on guys, bring on the FUD !

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[san2ok]

Woohoo, iCEy's back!!!!!!!!!!!!  Bullish!!!!!!!!

hahaha, so funny, our indicator is  iCE's fud

[germsite]

Some nice  FUD aka Slandering of DASH is going on again.

I don't see much FUD compared with the last couple months, which is a pity, because it airs issues and brings attention. The truth always comes out, which is good for all.

The posters and trolls seem to have given up. Come on guys, bring on the FUD !

What is the current FUD actually about? As far as I have been following DASH, times of FUD have been pretty much over, haven't they?

[Majormax]

Woohoo, iCEy's back!!!!!!!!!!!!  Bullish!!!!!!!!

hahaha, so funny, our indicator is  iCE's fud

iCE is not FUDing with the same conviction now.  I find it difficult to follow the argument about the instamine, as if anyone can plan anything in the Crypto space.

[germsite]

Woohoo, iCEy's back!!!!!!!!!!!!  Bullish!!!!!!!!

hahaha, so funny, our indicator is  iCE's fud

iCE is not FUDing with the same conviction now.  I find it difficult to follow the argument about the instamine, as if anyone can plan anything in the Crypto space.

Ah ok, so it's still the instamine. Not really worth the effort to mention it over and over again, but back then - to be honest - it made a single actor pretty rich. That is a fact. Anyway, time goes on.

[Majormax]

Woohoo, iCEy's back!!!!!!!!!!!!  Bullish!!!!!!!!

hahaha, so funny, our indicator is  iCE's fud

iCE is not FUDing with the same conviction now.  I find it difficult to follow the argument about the instamine, as if anyone can plan anything in the Crypto space.

Ah ok, so it's still the instamine. Not really worth the effort to mention it over and over again, but back then - to be honest - it made a single actor pretty rich. That is a fact. Anyway, time goes on.

I don't know if that is all .... However, I don't believe instamines are a negative. Wealthy holders have more capital and incentive to promote, and even if they dump, that increases the distribution.

Wealth distribution in fiat money is very uneven, and the richest are not always there on merit. Competent wealth owners usually benefit the economy, and incompetent ones often redistribute their money.

[alevlaslo]

At the largest exchange, the glass of Dash has lost from 3000 bitcoins to 300, what happened?

[germsite]

Woohoo, iCEy's back!!!!!!!!!!!!  Bullish!!!!!!!!

hahaha, so funny, our indicator is  iCE's fud

iCE is not FUDing with the same conviction now.  I find it difficult to follow the argument about the instamine, as if anyone can plan anything in the Crypto space.

Ah ok, so it's still the instamine. Not really worth the effort to mention it over and over again, but back then - to be honest - it made a single actor pretty rich. That is a fact. Anyway, time goes on.

I don't know if that is all .... However, I don't believe instamines are a negative. Wealthy holders have more capital and incentive to promote, and even if they dump, that increases the distribution.

Wealth distribution in fiat money is very uneven, and the richest are not always there on merit. Competent wealth owners usually benefit the economy, and incompetent ones often redistribute their money.

You make a valid point of course, but instamines in crypto are to be seen negatively for good reasons I think. In most cases they get abused for dumping. If there was a huge instamine, being transparent about it would have helped a great deal maybe. But yes, as you said, we are all asking for equality, but then again it nowhere exists anyway.

[NibiruHybrid]

Dash Force Proposals Review

Dash Force has been a part of the Dash community since December 2016 back when the price of Dash was $8.74.  It started out as a small group of 3 active community members.

Our aim is active engagement, reddit discussions, forums, twitter engagement, article comments. We also aim to weed out Dash disinformation wherever we find it because there’s plenty of it and to present the Dash value proposition in a positive manner.
After operating for 9 months Dash Force has grown a lot but still follows that core mission.  Dash Force now also supports 2 websites and an active YouTube channel with over 20 full and part-time staff.  But everyday the “troll patrol” is out there working against the “forces of evil” and providing honest information about Dash.

Read more: https://www.dashforcenews.com/dash-force-proposals-review/

[MasterMined710]

How the Top Digital Currencies’ Fees Measure Up


When looking for an efficient payment system, one of the most important factors is how cheaply value can be transferred to another party, namely fees. Early Bitcoin boasted fees much lower than any traditional payment method, and many coins still maintain a commitment to this vision. Here are the top digital currencies and how they compare to each other in terms of low fees.

Note: we included the top digital currencies meant, or otherwise used, for use as money. Seven-day simple moving average included for context to show data wasn’t cherry-picked. All data from BitInfoCharts.com

https://www.dashforcenews.com/top-digital-currencies-fees-measure/

[TanteStefana2]

You make a valid point of course, but instamines in crypto are to be seen negatively for good reasons I think. In most cases they get abused for dumping. If there was a huge instamine, being transparent about it would have helped a great deal maybe. But yes, as you said, we are all asking for equality, but then again it nowhere exists anyway.

Dash WAS transparent about it.  And the Dash wouldn't be worth anything if Evan hadn't worked hard to take Dash where it is today.  He built the team that is taking us to Evolution and beyond.  Not only that, he is using his Dash to build the future, namely DAOs he will fund once we get to that point.  These won't be DAOs for making himself more money, they're DAOs that are to function, somewhat like governments, an experiment he is wanting to try.  To see if people can fund DAOs that serve the community, and be 100% answerable to the community, or they get fired and others hired.  Not like a bloated inefficient and ineffective government like we have today.

And believe me, those who were there and mined in the very beginning, those who had gotten that dam burst of coins were the first to sell them.  I doubt any of them still own much of those Dash.  Even Evan's friends and some of the great people there at the beginning have moved on, and even dumped their coins in rage quits.

It's really hilarious, honest it is, to see "investors" (actually fools) throw their good money after all kinds of silly ICOs, each new one still draws more investors than the last.  A fool and his money are easily parted.

Me?  I was a fool for a few hundred dollars by buying Dash.  I can only say God smiled on me that this project turned out to really be something.  I know I was exceedingly lucky, and perhaps there is something to my intuition - because I really liked Evan from the start.  I liked his passion and his flexibility and his energy.  It turned out to be a good call.  Even when I did buy my Dash, by that point I was convinced that it was going places.  The project had exploded with ideas almost daily, it was amazing.  I know a lot of projects have taken the easy way out with web wallets to make things easier to use, but they're centralized.  Putting account information directly on the blockchain... just bloats it (NEM I think?) and eventually, it'll be hard to retrieve.  Dash is doing it right.  Somehow, Evan et al have foreseen every issue, and come up with a solution to them.  The plan is there, the work has been going full on for over a year and a half, and when Dash Evolution comes out, people will be shaking their heads wondering where all this came from because they weren't paying attention   https://youtu.be/m2ou-WIxfLY?t=1m36s

[TanteStefana2]

Nice collection, must have taken a long time!  I'm gonna save it to quote in the future, LOL   Bumped for anyone who really is researching

Some nice  FUD aka Slandering of DASH is going on again.

For starters Look at this video:
Bitcoin vs Dash - Ridiculous comments on Dash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzqGf_ak_2I

How Dash's 'PrivateSend' Works Under the Hood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgCId3wJc5Y


If  that not enough do some serious research on DASH it's past please read and view all of this:

http://blog.anonymousbitcoinbook.com/2014/09/darkcoin-code-review-results/

Evan Duffield has no more than 256,000 Dash and will give away 80% of that to fund DAOs within DASH
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/62jc3b/evan_duffield_has_no_more_than_256000_dash_and/
A View of: Dash’s Instamine Is Not A Problem
http://fintekneeks.com/my-view-dashs-pre-mine-is-not-a-problem/

Dash Instamine Issue Clarification
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/OC/Dash+Instamine+Issue+Clarification

Instamine FAQ
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Legacy+FAQ#LegacyFAQ-WasDashInstamined?

Was The Instamine A Positive Thing For Dash?
https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118

Deep technical analysis of the early mining and distribution
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg15619552#msg15619552

Confessions of a Instaminer Hashman https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg18041424#msg18041424

Dash in fact has one of the best distrubitions out there (compare for yourself):
https://bitinfocharts.com/


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If you want also take a look at this;



Kristov Atlas Darksend/Privatesend review and response from Dash team.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/reply-to-kristovs-paper.2325/

How Dash's 'PrivateSend' Works Under the Hood
https://youtu.be/vgCId3wJc5Y

Dash Deanonomization Challenge From Febuary 2016
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg14031652#msg14031652

Monero Cripplemine Fastmine issues
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435385.0

Dash's privacy feature has never been broken - Turns out Monero's privacy feature has never really worked to begin with
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/65fz68/dashs_privacy_feature_has_never_been_broken_turns/

Monero Transactions History Can Be Revealed and Exposed: Research
https://cointelegraph.com/news/monero-transactions-history-can-be-revealed-and-exposed-research

Warning: Every CryptoNote/Monero transaction in history will be retroactively exposed
https://steemit.com/cryptonote/@macrochip/warning-every-cryptonote-monero-transaction-in-history-will-be-retroactively-exposed

The Design Objectives that Were Conveniently Left out of that Appraisal
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg12823282#msg12823282

Tech Stocks vs Monetary Stocks and Why Dash is Persuing the Latter
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg17491202#msg17491202

Why Balancing "Dark" and "Light" Markets Work and Why Instant Transactions are a Priority for Dash
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13239732#msg13239732
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13366974#msg13366974

Symmetric Risk Mitigation for Low Confirmation Payments - Why Dash is MORE Secure Than Bitcion, not Less
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13328511#msg13328511

Pricing in "Everything" vs Pricing in "the Launch"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg11054151#msg11054151

Why Dash's Privacy Model is Optimal for an Unbacked Store of Value Token
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg17687393#msg17687393

Who gets a voice with the Governance Model ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1433982.msg14584154#msg14584154

[iCEBREAKER]

clearly

I don't know about you, but when I went to grad school they told me I had to provide evidence and documentation to support statements like this, but maybe you missed that day?

P.S. Here's a question that none of you trolls have ever been able to answer: If Evan "clearly" planned the early emission problems and mined tons of Dash early on, then why is he still working on the project? The price of Dash exceeded $11 each in May 2014...if Evan deliberately planned some elaborate scam, then why didn't he sell everything in May 2014 and just disappear, like so many other coin developers have done?

If Dash's instamine was a deliberate scam executed by Evan, WHY is he still working full time developing the coin?

Why?

Yes, clearly:

The official story about the instamine: https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118
Evan Duffield:“The instamine happened, there is no one disputing that fact. The crypto-community at large has no problem with this except a few who think it’s trying to be hidden in some way. In fact, I posted multiple times about the instamine, first in “The Birth Of Darkcoin” which is an account of the first few weeks of the launch and the mistakes that were made. Recently I also posted spoke about the Instamine in the video “Virtual Corporation”, which considers the concept that it might have been key to Dash’s success, which I believe now. It’s also important to note, I was working a very challenging day job while working on Dash in the first couple weeks. So I was putting out fires every night, keeping tabs on Dash during the day (while getting yelled at by my boss when he caught me a couple times). Eventually I quit when I got Dash stable enough to work on full time and decided I really wanted to explore what I could do with it. “

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The evidence shows that it was a planned instamine. This wasn't mentioned before launch.
The features of this coin were also not public at launch.
=> Nobody was really interested in the coin at launch, making this instamine more a kind of "stealth launched premine".
In my books, that's a scam.

Please don't ignore the facts:

2013-12-29: 2 guys from Hawk Financial Group, Evan & Kyle, are asking on the Bitcoin Dev mailing list for "1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup". They are planning to build a unique coin that is "not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code" but in stead "a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a very useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem". They claim to have "detailed plans on how to implement it".

2014-01-18 There were some issues at launch, so Evan said he would postpone the launch and would "definitely not" launch it in the next hours. But he did launch it a few hours later.

2014-01-19 Xcoin was launched.
This was the emission in the first 72 hours of the coins existence:

This was the emission of the first 100 days:

At the moment, there are about 6 million DASH in circulation. There would be 84 million Xcoins eventually.
Note that in the first hour, 500k Xcoins were mined. Due to the "quick fix" of the bug, not many people expected to launch a few hours after Evan said he would "definitely not" launch in the next hours.

2014-01-19 Right after the launch, there were problems with the window binaries. Evan clearly was mining right from the start, as he offered 5000 Xcoin as a bounty for compiling the binaries.

2014-01-20 After the emission of almost 2 million coins, Evan said that "now that everything is stable, I'll be posting later about the vision of this project and milestones!". Up until this point, only the "X11 hashing algoritm" was a known feature. According to him, it was "time to move on to actually implementing what I set out to do".

2014-01-22 Evan releases his plans for XCoin. At this point, more than 2 million coins were mined.

Xcoin rebranded to Darkcoin and eventually to DASH later on.

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Later on, some contradictions surfaced:

* The emission schedule changed multiple times. The latest we heard is that the number of coins would be somewhere between 14 million and like 16 million DASH.
* Evan said that this project was just a hobby he started while working on a full time job and coded Xcoin in a weekend.
* Evan claims there were hundreds of miners if not thousands when Xcoin launched. Recent investigation showed that there were 124 IP addreses that were mining at the start. 115 of those addresses where Cloudhosting and Dedicated Servers, 9 of them seem to be private/users.106 of them were at Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure cloud instances.
 
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Conclusions:
*Evan isn't acting alone, he had/has a team behind him right from the start. It wasn't a hobby. he had a plan to make a profit.
*Evan had plans for his coin right from the start, but didn't release them until after the instamine
*1.5 million coins were mined in the first 8 hours. Most of these coin ended up in his (and his friends) hands. It's very likely the 500k in the first hour were only mined by him with cloudhosting services.
*He lowered the emission later on, to make his relative share of coins bigger.

Evan was looking for c++ devs for a "for profit startup" at the end of 2013 for the launch of an altcoin.
How can you make a profit by launching an altcoin (and be sure to be able to pay your devs)?
Answer: by premining and/or instamining.
How he did it is pretty easy:
*telling people the release would definitely not be in the next couple of hours and after that do launch it a few hours later
*buggy windows binaries
*a "code error" creating 500k coins in the first hour, >1.5 million in the first 8 hours.

QUESTION:
>How can this be all an accident and NOT be intentional?
ANSWER:
>by premining and/or instamining.

=> DASH was clearly a planned instamine (and thus a scam)

Okay, that is a pretty convincing argument.

^^That is why Dash is a laughingstock among top crypto devs like gmax, coblee, and ptodd.   

Here's the latest joke at Dash's expense:



https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/896048148774137857

Dash's massive 20% Instamine was not an accident, and Evan was not honest about it until the community humiliated him into removing his false "No Premine" claim from the OP.

[UdjinM6]

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^^That is why Dash is a laughingstock among top crypto devs like gmax, coblee, and ptodd.   

Here's the latest joke at Dash's expense:



https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/896048148774137857

Dash's massive 20% Instamine was not an accident, and Evan was not honest about it until the community humiliated him into removing his false "No Premine" claim from the OP.

Haha! And guess what? 



https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/896050247989772288

 

[NibiruHybrid]

Bitcoin Nears PayPal's Market Cap, Severely Lags in Transaction Volume

Bitcoin briefly topped PayPal’s market cap, while still lagging far behind in use.

PayPal, one of the global leading payments services outside of the banking industry, maintains a market capitalization of $71 billion. Earlier this week, Bitcoin, on an impressive growth spurt after the chain split at the beginning of the month, passed PayPal briefly, topping out at over $73 billion. Since then the price has experienced a correction, sitting near $68 billion at present.

Read more: https://www.dashforcenews.com/bitcoin-nears-paypals-market-cap-severely-lags-transaction-volume/

[solowhizkid]

$Dash in Ukraine restaurants now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PluUV690Oe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXxu2pgF_BA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXxu2pgF_BA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1_ixz4f70E

[solowhizkid]

Who from crypto? Dash, Digital cash number 1 (In Russian)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBHMht5uvFk

#dash_force

[fakecryptsynagger]

  wow I see total brainwash community


Part-1
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/op-ed-closer-look-dash-part-1/

Part 2
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/op-ed-closer-look-origins-dash-part-2/

[BlockMason]

Bitcoin Nears PayPal's Market Cap, Severely Lags in Transaction Volume

Bitcoin briefly topped PayPal’s market cap, while still lagging far behind in use.

PayPal, one of the global leading payments services outside of the banking industry, maintains a market capitalization of $71 billion. Earlier this week, Bitcoin, on an impressive growth spurt after the chain split at the beginning of the month, passed PayPal briefly, topping out at over $73 billion. Since then the price has experienced a correction, sitting near $68 billion at present.

Read more: https://www.dashforcenews.com/bitcoin-nears-paypals-market-cap-severely-lags-transaction-volume/

Won't be long before it dwarfs it.

[K~Ehleyr]

wow I see total brainwash community

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Part-1
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/op-ed-closer-look-dash-part-1/

Part 2
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/op-ed-closer-look-origins-dash-part-2/

Oh those articles again!  Written so objectively by people who could have no possible agenda whatsoever  

Thanks to user dnale0r for compiling much of this information in a very accessible manner and to Tone Vays and Riccardo Spagni for their discussions and helping to raise awareness about DASH’s origins.

Instead of regurgitating the same old trollero FUD, why don't you try doing your own research?  Oh, you're probably on payroll.... well I hope they're paying you enough to compensate for what you're missing out on by not buying Dash