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March 01, 2014, 05:43:49 PM
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wie kann man(n) nur 200 BTC auf einer exchange/online wallet platform liegen lassen ?
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schon 2011 war mit mybitcoin dieses thema aktuell und schon damals ein dessaster!
aber bekanntlich wiederholt sich die geschichte...
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March 01, 2014, 05:44:36 PM
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wie kann man(n) nur 200 BTC auf einer exchange/online wallet platform liegen lassen ?
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schon 2011 war mit mybitcoin dieses thema aktuell und schon damals ein dessaster!
aber bekanntlich wiederholt sich die geschichte...
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Weil man damit handelt!

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March 01, 2014, 05:48:06 PM
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wie kann man(n) nur 200 BTC auf einer exchange/online wallet platform liegen lassen ?
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schon 2011 war mit mybitcoin dieses thema aktuell und schon damals ein dessaster!
aber bekanntlich wiederholt sich die geschichte...
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Weil man damit handelt!

tja, nun wird man(n) (be)handelt, als idiot, als pechvogel, als geldgieriger mitläufer.
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na ja, schade um meine 0.05 btc hätte noch ein-zwei gyros-pita beim ariston dafür essen können
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March 01, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
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wie kann man(n) nur 200 BTC auf einer exchange/online wallet platform liegen lassen ?

schon 2011 war mit mybitcoin dieses thema aktuell und schon damals ein dessaster!
aber bekanntlich wiederholt sich die geschichte...
Ganz ehrlich, 2011 habe ich mich gefragt, wieso manche Leute 25.000 BTC auf mybitcoin verloren und das mit einem Schulterzucken weggesteckt haben.
Heute bin ich in (wertmäßig) ähnlicher Höhe bei MtGox betroffen und zucke ebenso mit den Schultern.
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March 01, 2014, 07:47:37 PM
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wie kann man(n) nur 200 BTC auf einer exchange/online wallet platform liegen lassen ?

schon 2011 war mit mybitcoin dieses thema aktuell und schon damals ein dessaster!
aber bekanntlich wiederholt sich die geschichte...
Ganz ehrlich, 2011 habe ich mich gefragt, wieso manche Leute 25.000 BTC auf mybitcoin verloren und das mit einem Schulterzucken weggesteckt haben.
Heute bin ich in (wertmäßig) ähnlicher Höhe bei MtGox betroffen und zucke ebenso mit den Schultern.
Menschen sind einfach so Roll Eyes

Fraglich ist doch auch seit wann die Coins auf Gox lagen. Zur Schlussphase war es doch kein Problem aus einem relativ kleinem 2-Stelligem Betrag einen 3-Stelligen zu machen...
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March 02, 2014, 03:25:51 PM
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Update auf mtgox.com

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[Translation from the Japanese]

March 2, 2014

To anyone concerned

Mark Karpeles
Representative Director
MtGox Co., Ltd.
Shibuya 2-11-5

Shibuya-ku, Tokyo

ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING AN APPLICATION FOR COMMENCEMENT OF A PROCEDURE OF CIVIL REHABILITATION

An overview of the situation should be published here shortly (probably on March 3, 2014 (Japan time)).

Contact information

A call center has been established to respond to all inquiries. The call center is planned to start on March 3, 2014. All inquiries to MtGox Co., Ltd. should be made to the following telephone number:

Telephone number   +81 3-4588-3921
Working hours    Monday to Friday 10am to 5pm (Japan time)

Please refrain from contacting the office of the supervisor/investigator.


Das Callcenter wird wahrscheinlich innerhalb kürzester Zeit völlig überlastet sein  Cheesy

Der GoxCoin Kurs ist darauf hin von 0.04 auf 0.08 gestiegen.

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March 02, 2014, 03:31:11 PM
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ah, hatte mich schon gewundert und nichts finden können
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Was ist der Sinn und Zweck des Callcenters? Um seine History heraus zu bekommen?

Ich kann mir was bessere vorstellen, als jetzt bei Gox im Callcenter zu arbeiten. Da dürfte der eine oder andere Anrufer etwas gereizt sein Wink

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March 02, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
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Aus der Umfrage

Question:    Was denkst du, entspricht der Warheit?
MK hat mit dem DumpingBot versucht den BTC Kurs zu drücken, um sich zu bereichern.
Wollte die fehlenden Coins billig auf anderen Börsen nachkaufen.
Die anderen Börsen sind aber nicht wie vorgesehen abgestürzt. ###

Was ist der Sinn und Zweck des Callcenters?

Was der Dumping Bot nicht geschafft hatt , schaffen eventuel Hotline mitarbeiter mit Zielgerechten antworten auf die fragen, Oder es bleibt noch mehr Raum für Spekulation(gerüchte) und somit niedrigere kurse.

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Quelle surprise.


Das Gox-Callcenter ist wie erwartet total überlastet, aber englische Sprache oder Neuigkeiten gabs wohl sowieso nicht wirklich.

Quote from: reddit
i have just spoken with a lovely japanese lady who had nothing useful to say apart from that they will upload further information to the website at some point today. I'll upload a recording of the call when I wake up tomorrow. it was pretty funny. eventually she got confused by my questions and hung up.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zdxnh/mt_gox_call_center_post_your_experiences_here/?sort=new

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zdnop/peter_rs_theory_on_the_collapse_of_mt_gox/
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Habe gerade angerufen und die Dame im Callcenter gefragt ob ich die, in den letzten 2 Wochen überwiesenen Euros wieder zurück bekommen könnte. Sinngemäß hat die sehr freundliche Dame folgendes geantwortet: "I am sorry to say that I cannot confirm that but there will be new information in two untill three hours on the mtgox website.".

darf es Hoffnung geben?   Huh Sad
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March 03, 2014, 05:47:18 AM
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Das Callcenter ist relativ sinnfrei, die Mitarbeiter dort wissen wahrscheinlich gar nicht was überhaupt los ist, Telefonsupport ist lediglich eine Auflage des Insolvenzverfahrens die hiermit erfüllt wird.
Laut Anrufern auf reddit gibt es kein Geld zurück, aber gute Nachrichten bei dem Update heute, was auch immer das heißt.

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March 03, 2014, 05:49:34 AM
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möglicherweise 2 jahre gesperrte bitcoins und ein geständnis, dass diese mit einer neuen, allumfassend überwachten plattform (gox.com) verdient werden müssen. wär wohl nicht die schlechteste idee, aber realistisch?
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March 03, 2014, 06:26:20 AM
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Und da wären wir beim vermeintlichen Ausverkauf der Identitäten.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zeuoy/rumors_of_20gb_of_data_stolen_from_mtgox/

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Sehr crasse story... Bitcoin ist schon nur für den Entertainmentfaktor jeden Cent wert  Cheesy

Ungefähr so wie in dem Film "Beautiful Mind" wo Russel Crowe checkt das er in einer Traumwelt gelebt hat.
Ich meine, demzufolge waren die Gox getriebenen Ralleys auf USD 266 und USD 1200, nicht im geringsten dem Markt und der realen Nachfrage geschuldet, sondern nur Mark Karpeles auf der Jagt nach 1 Millionen Bitcoins.
Schon ironisch, ohne den Diebstahl und Karpeles Einsatz ihn zu ersetzen wäre Bitcoin vielleicht nie aus dem Nerd-Underground rausgekommen, zumindest wurde die Entwicklung von Bitcoin Warpantrieb-mäßig beschleunigt, was sonst unter Umständen Jahre länger gedauert hätte.
Mittlerweile kann uns das egal sein, weltweit berichten alle Mainstream Medien über Bitcoin, Software-, Hardwareentwickler, Händler, Kunden und Investoren haben eine Multimillionen-Dollarindustrie daraus gemacht, hinter der reale Werte stehen.
Aber was wir jetzt mit Gox erleben ist die Rechnung dafür, willkommen im Fractional Reserve Banking mit exponentiellem Wachstum, the bank is empty.

Aber wie gesagt, bis jetzt alles Spekulation.



Btw, nach dem Bitcoin-Theft 2011 hat Mt. Gox eine Live-Videokonferenz für alle User veranstaltet um sich zu erklären und Vertrauen zurück zu gewinnen. Hat jemand ein Link zu dem Video?

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March 03, 2014, 06:47:18 AM
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Und da wären wir beim vermeintlichen Ausverkauf der Identitäten.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zeuoy/rumors_of_20gb_of_data_stolen_from_mtgox/

Kopien Passport.. Kontoverbindugen alles vorhanden.



Jetzt weißt du woher die ganzen Händler auf Silkroad ihre Ausweisvorlagen hatten, mit kompletter Identität und amtlichem Datenbankeintrag.

Aber soweit ich weiß wurden damals nur die Mt. Gox Log-In Daten geleaked.

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Neues announcement auf mtgox.com. Im Prinzip das, was wir schon wissen, aber jetzt das erste mal offiziell.




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February 28, 2014

To anyone concerned
Mark Karpeles
Representative Director
MtGox Co., Ltd.
Shibuya 2-11-5
Shibuya-ku, Tokyo

ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING AN APPLICATION FOR COMMENCEMENT OF A PROCEDURE OF CIVIL REHABILITATION

MtGox Co., Ltd. made today an application for commencement of a procedure of civil rehabilitation (minji saisei) at the Tokyo District Court. This application was accepted on the same day. Further, MtGox Co., Ltd is under several orders issued by the Court : a preservative order prohibiting it from paying its debts, transferring its assets or establishing security over its assets, an order establishing a comprehensive prohibition of forced attachment of its assets by its creditors and a supervisory order ordering supervision by a supervisory committee. In consequence, MtGox hereby informs you as follows.
We first express our most sincere regrets and apologies for this situation and for causing so much inconvenience to all our users and other interested parties. We will fully respect the above orders and maintain our assets with all the necessary care.

Financial situation, reasons and timeline leading to this application
(1) As of now, the liabilities of MtGox Co., Ltd exceed its assets and its financial situation is as follows:

Total amount of assets    3,841,866,163
Total amount of current liabilities    6,501,119,371
(2)   The increase of current liabilities may be linked to a loss of bitcoins and customer funds. These are now investigated by an expert and all efforts are made to discover the truth. This application was prompted by the following troubles:

At the start of February 2014, illegal access through the abuse of a bug in the bitcoin system resulted in an increase in incomplete bitcoin transfer transactions and we discovered that there was a possibility that bitcoins had been illicitly moved through the abuse of this bug.
As a result of our internal investigation, we found that a large amount of bitcoins had disappeared. Although the complete extent is not yet known, we found that approximately 750,000 bitcoins deposited by users and approximately 100,000 bitcoins belonging to us had disappeared.
We believe that there is a high probability that these bitcoins were stolen as a result of an abuse of this bug and we have asked an expert to look at the possibility of a criminal complaint and undertake proper procedures.
On the same day (24th), we found out large discrepancies between the amount of cash held in financial institutions and the amount deposited from our users. The amounts are still under investigation and may vary but they approximate JPY 2.8 billion.
We are investigating the causes of these problems. Since there are probably a variety of causes including hacking by third parties, we need to investigate a huge amount of transaction reports in order to establish the truth. As of this date, we cannot confirm the exact amount of missing deposit funds and the total amount of bitcoins which disappeared.
Once we discovered that bitcoins had disappeared and the discrepancies between cash funds and deposit balances, we judged that it would be difficult to continue our activities normally and we therefore closed our site at noon on the 25th (Japan time).

(3)   Regarding the filing of a complaint or damages report, an expert has been mandated and investigations have started. We will make all efforts to ensure that crimes are punished and damages recovered.
Further we will fully cooperate with inquiries from authorities and investigations related to this matter, in Japan or overseas.

In order to increase repayments to our creditors, it is necessary to explore the possibility of having MtGox Co., Ltd. continue its business. This is why the civil rehabilitation procedure has been chosen, Rebuilding MtGox Co., Ltd under the supervision of the court in a legally organized procedure while giving proper explanations will not be for the sole benefit of the company but for that of the whole bitcoin community.
All efforts will now be made to restore the business and recover damages to repay debts to creditors. We hope for the understanding and cooperation of all.

Outline of the application
(1)   Application date   February 28, 2014
(2)   Jurisdiction   Tokyo District Court
(3)   Counsel of applicant
Baker & McKenzie (Gaikokuho Joint Enterprise)
Attorney-at-law   Junko Suetomi
Attorney-at-law   Yamamoto Hideyuki
Yodoyabashi & Yamagami Legal Professional Corporation
Attorney-at-law   Akio Shinomiya
Attorney-at-law   Kazumasa Kawai

(4)   Supervisor   Nagashima Ohno & Tsunematsu
Attorney-at-law   Nobuaki Kobayashi
(5)   Investigator   idem
(6)   Case no.    2014 (sai) 12Civil rehabilitation commencement application

Contact information
A call center has been established to respond to all inquiries. The call center is planned to start on March 3, 2014. All inquiries to MtGox Co., Ltd. should be made to the following telephone number:
Telephone number   +81 3-4588-3921
Working hours   Monday to Friday 10am to 5pm (Japan time)

Please refrain from contacting the office of the supervisor/investigator.
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March 03, 2014, 07:14:50 AM
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Wenn ich das richtig verstanden hab ist es noch schlimmer als gedacht.
Gox weiß nicht genau wieviel und wie es abhanden gekommen ist. (BTC und Fiat)

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March 03, 2014, 07:25:37 AM
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Jetzt mal ohne flachs, glaubt jemand die Story? Ich geh jetzt dazu über die letzten Transaktionen die ueber Okpay gelaufen sind zurueck zu fordern. Glaub zwar nicht, dass da was geht versuchen werd ichs als Begründung mit dem neuen Informationsstand trotzdem.

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Not sure if my server will stay up. Here is the text:
Right now in ##mtgox-chat someone named nanashi____ claims to be speaking for a group of hackers who have gotten into Mt Gox in an attempt to figure out what happened. Nanashi says they have a DB dump and are looking at what to do with it. Nanashi gave these links:
A conversation in Japanese with Karpeles and a Banker (http://picosong.com/Y7di/) Some Mt Gox Code (http://pastebin.com/W8B3CGiN)
Nanashi says the group plans on releasing more info. Nanashi also said they group plans on not releasing the huge store of passport scans they found… Hopefully this group has the public’s best interests at heart
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