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January 17, 2015, 05:07:32 PM
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It looks like gold bugs are buying Bitcoin.

Keep Your Cash out of The Bank?: http://youtu.be/8j_J0lbXkcA


well, certainly, this is the perfect time to step in.
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January 17, 2015, 05:31:50 PM
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No need for SC's! Wink

http://impulse.is/
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January 17, 2015, 05:42:28 PM
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Do you have any thoughts on Factom, Cypher?

https://www.reddit.com/comments/2snxdx/slug/cnrppms

http://factom.org/
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January 17, 2015, 07:22:08 PM
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Ritholtz interviews Bill Gross. Great historical review and present perspective:

http://www.bloomberg.com/podcasts/masters-in-business/
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January 17, 2015, 09:54:10 PM
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Over the summer, I called for this latest dollar rally as the price of oil was  dropping. I've strongly made the case for deflation a long time as well as hinted by rising UST's.  After the SNB did its thing the other day I mentioned to watch the dollar. This guy agrees. This is based on the fact that theUS  was lucky to geta  rally in both during the last crisis. I doubt it happens the same way this time around :

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-16/about-strong-dollar
Its ez to call a dollar rally after its already confirmed ive been saying it since 2011 2012.. and the currency wars dont help.. all snb did was reassure us that central banks need to change to consensus

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January 17, 2015, 09:59:30 PM
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The Bombe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukOPgaAokoA
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January 17, 2015, 10:06:05 PM
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Bombe is like bitcoin now. ( without 2wp Sidechains ) :-)
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January 17, 2015, 10:50:01 PM
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Over the summer, I called for this latest dollar rally as the price of oil was  dropping. I've strongly made the case for deflation a long time as well as hinted by rising UST's.  After the SNB did its thing the other day I mentioned to watch the dollar. This guy agrees. This is based on the fact that theUS  was lucky to geta  rally in both during the last crisis. I doubt it happens the same way this time around :

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-16/about-strong-dollar
Its ez to call a dollar rally after its already confirmed ive been saying it since 2011 2012.. and the currency wars dont help.. all snb did was reassure us that central banks need to change to consensus

No I'm a reg reader.   He really did call it.  Kudos!
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January 17, 2015, 11:40:09 PM
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Saw the film "Imitation Game" a couple of days ago. Definitely worth seeing. Impressive that each triplet of letter drums mimics an enigma machine.

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January 18, 2015, 12:04:58 AM
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Saw the film "Imitation Game" a couple of days ago. Definitely worth seeing. Impressive that each triplet of letter drums mimics an enigma machine.

Doubly impressive when you realize there were no real electronics at the time. Just wires, lights and mechanical rotors. Crazy to think how far we've come in what really is a  short period of time.
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January 18, 2015, 03:25:01 PM
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Lol.

"God is with us," one Hungarian market source said, referring to the timing of the conversion."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL6N0UU39I20150115?irpc=932

Which brings me to the USD rise of the last 6  mo. I've been saying that USD denominated loans have been suffering from the same dynamic which is a probable factor relating to plunging commodity prices and foreign stock markets that we've seen. The safe haven status of the US has saved our Stock and bond markets but for how long? Probably for not much longer given the interconnectivity of markets worldwide.

My other observation is that I think everything has been lead down by gold and silver starting in 2011. Which then pulled down other commodities and subsequently foreign stocks and now probably the US Stock market. We'll see. Rather than this recent rise in gold being an indicator of a major turn around for everything and stocks off to 32000 as sidhuajag thinks, I think it is a dead cat bounce soon to reverse.
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January 18, 2015, 04:05:41 PM
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Over the summer, I called for this latest dollar rally as the price of oil was  dropping. I've strongly made the case for deflation a long time as well as hinted by rising UST's.  After the SNB did its thing the other day I mentioned to watch the dollar. This guy agrees. This is based on the fact that theUS  was lucky to geta  rally in both during the last crisis. I doubt it happens the same way this time around :

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-16/about-strong-dollar
Its ez to call a dollar rally after its already confirmed ive been saying it since 2011 2012.. and the currency wars dont help.. all snb did was reassure us that central banks need to change to consensus

last summer was clearly the optimal time to go long the dollar:

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January 18, 2015, 04:13:14 PM
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sounds very interesting but i've just skimmed their material.

my questions about this concept tho are:

1.  how do you endure the integrity of the data at the time of it's injection into the blockchain?  i would think it would be a disaster if a bunch of corrupt county recorders got wind of the idea that residential recordings were about to be injected into a Factom blockchain and decided to tweek the records at an opportune time.  once a corrupt record gets in, how does it ever get reversed?

2.  from what i skimmed, there still needs to be a significant amount of data stored by Factom themselves (as in ordering of mortgage docs) which centralizes the process.  that doesn't seem good either.

3.  finally, legal authorities have to agree to enforce the embedded hash in the blockchain as a legal, agreed upon reference point for integrity. not sure how or if that can work.

but all in all, i favor MC extension of capabilities over SC's for sure.
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January 18, 2015, 04:44:33 PM
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Everything you need to know about Factom:

https://twitter.com/koinify/status/556495234478407682
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January 18, 2015, 04:48:09 PM
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my debate with Blockstream, over to SC or not, comes down to not who is right or wrong but rather to how you perceive Bitcoin fits into the real world financial system.  in other words, it is more philosophical than technical in that i'm sure SC's can be made to exist technically in some hodge podge way.  the ultimate question remaining, imo, of will it allow Bitcoin to ever have an impact on where the real problem lies that being in the fiat currency printing space of central banks?  i think not.

to my mind, if you allow SC's to latch onto the MC, you will create a small, isolated trading platform off in some corner of the real financial world whereby you can choose to invest your fiat into either the currency unit or into a multitude of speculative assets offered on the platform in the form of SC's.  to my view, this would be no different than WoW.  popular, but simply a play thing.

but if you allow Bitcoin and its blockchain to develop as a true fixed supply currency and public good, it has a chance of becoming a bonafide global reserve currency listed on the Forex.  that would be huge as it would probably be the end of central banking as we know it.  once established, other speculative assets can then be bought and sold in terms of BTC, ie, denominated in BTC terms.  this path forces real world change in a more fundamental manner that will have a broader, more momentous, impact on the financial world.  anyone wanting to participate would have no other choice than to buy the BTC unit and take the price higher.

i understand that SC's are ultimately a matter of choice, being open source, and that ppl can simply refuse to use them.  but i think the issues are more than that.  allowing a for profit company to make a source code change sends the wrong message to the global community at large that a vested interested group of men can manipulate the code to their own advantage and thus alter Bitcoins greater purpose.  it would imply a community approval of such a move and could be interpreted as Blockstream attempting to take over a system that has the potential to change the financial world.  no one wants that including myself.

Adrian has already outlined the mining risks and changes in incentive that will occur so i won't bother to go into that.
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January 18, 2015, 05:42:16 PM
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so what the hell is this all about and how does this correlate with what somewhat else said the other day about Adam backing out of the SC debate with Peter Todd?

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January 18, 2015, 06:11:09 PM
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Everything you need to know about Factom:

https://twitter.com/koinify/status/556495234478407682

i dont get it

Bro, do you even blockchain?
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January 18, 2015, 06:32:53 PM
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http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/appcoins-are-snake-oil/
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January 18, 2015, 06:35:13 PM
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my debate with Blockstream, over to SC or not, comes down to not who is right or wrong but rather to how you perceive Bitcoin fits into the real world financial system.  in other words, it is more philosophical than technical in that i'm sure SC's can be made to exist technically in some hodge podge way.  the ultimate question remaining, imo, of will it allow Bitcoin to ever have an impact on where the real problem lies that being in the fiat currency printing space of central banks?  i think not.

to my mind, if you allow SC's to latch onto the MC, you will create a small, isolated trading platform off in some corner of the real financial world whereby you can choose to invest your fiat into either the currency unit or into a multitude of speculative assets offered on the platform in the form of SC's.  to my view, this would be no different than WoW.  popular, but simply a play thing.

but if you allow Bitcoin and its blockchain to develop as a true fixed supply currency and public good, it has a chance of becoming a bonafide global reserve currency listed on the Forex.  that would be huge as it would probably be the end of central banking as we know it.  once established, other speculative assets can then be bought and sold in terms of BTC, ie, denominated in BTC terms.  this path forces real world change in a more fundamental manner that will have a broader, more momentous, impact on the financial world.  anyone wanting to participate would have no other choice than to buy the BTC unit and take the price higher.

i understand that SC's are ultimately a matter of choice, being open source, and that ppl can simply refuse to use them.  but i think the issues are more than that.  allowing a for profit company to make a source code change sends the wrong message to the global community at large that a vested interested group of men can manipulate the code to their own advantage and thus alter Bitcoins greater purpose.  it would imply a community approval of such a move and could be interpreted as Blockstream attempting to take over a system that has the potential to change the financial world.  no one wants that including myself.

Adrian has already outlined the mining risks and changes in incentive that will occur so i won't bother to go into that.

Just for the record long ago I asked my self what made Bitcoin valuable and the simple tl;dw answer I came up with was the set of voluntary rules that were enforced through incentives.

I relate to almost all the economic concerns put forward by cypher, and I am convinced they will unfold over time and the value I see in Bitcoin could be crippled. I don't hold the view that the blockchain could only be used as money but rather it should be designed to only be used as money, and the world of creative entrepreneurs should find new and innovative uses for that money with out limit. Changing the incentives in protocol puts the long term function of better money at risk.

I don't think my view is the minority, almost every BlockStream announcement and controversial tweet has been met with a big sell off.

My thoughts regarding this recent sell off are one of a voluntary market power shift taking place, those SC proponents with the ability to change Bitcoin have been thrown a juice bone with lots of meat on it, by those who have sold off giving the new risks they intend to introduce.

I'm convinced when BlockStream release a solid business plan that doesn't involve a protocol update we'll see a big uptick in price as that fiat sitting on the side comes back in.

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January 18, 2015, 06:42:22 PM
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Over the summer, I called for this latest dollar rally as the price of oil was  dropping. I've strongly made the case for deflation a long time as well as hinted by rising UST's.  After the SNB did its thing the other day I mentioned to watch the dollar. This guy agrees. This is based on the fact that theUS  was lucky to geta  rally in both during the last crisis. I doubt it happens the same way this time around :

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-16/about-strong-dollar
Its ez to call a dollar rally after its already confirmed ive been saying it since 2011 2012.. and the currency wars dont help.. all snb did was reassure us that central banks need to change to consensus

last summer was clearly the optimal time to go long the dollar:



The writing on the wall was clear years ago.. just looks good in hindsight like it would have for me if it happened last year. There was nothing special about last summer that changed fundamentals other than nudge the dollar up at a faster pace.. best time to accumulate is when noone is looking

I seem to recall you kept calling usd tops while I said its just getting started yet now you claimed that youve been calling for this since last summer?

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