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January 28, 2015, 11:26:13 PM
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Wish BTC would stop plummeting.  It's being dominated by day traders.

The DOW drops on bad news, the Asian market reacts, and guess what dumps on Chinese exchanges almost simultaneously?  Yep, bitcoin.

It's still being treated as a stock/commodity.

That's fine, don't mind if it's treated as a stock/commodity, as long as you can trade it on Wall Street, then we will see some real $ in BTC.

yep, keep the big picture and long term in mind.

Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold).  But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.

maybe, no guarantees.

but too early to come to any conclusions.  maybe not enough turmoil yet.
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January 28, 2015, 11:27:24 PM
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Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold).  But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.

Personally, I think this is the most likely scenario as well. ATM bitcoin is like a very risky commodity.  Things would have to get really really ugly (like breaking some major rules thereby breaking trust in traditional systems) for bitcoin to become a 'safe haven' in case of a financial crash.  
Five or ten years from now, that might be a different story.
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January 29, 2015, 12:36:12 AM
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Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold).  But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.

Personally, I think this is the most likely scenario as well. ATM bitcoin is like a very risky commodity.  Things would have to get really really ugly (like breaking some major rules thereby breaking trust in traditional systems) for bitcoin to become a 'safe haven' in case of a financial crash.  
Five or ten years from now, that might be a different story.

It's difficult to treat Bitcoin like anything specifically because it's a stock, commodity, asset, currency, fuel, all in one.  It can thrive in any environment.  If Wall Streets starts buying, expect BTC to be in the $10k's
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January 29, 2015, 03:14:41 AM
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Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold).  But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.

Personally, I think this is the most likely scenario as well. ATM bitcoin is like a very risky commodity.  Things would have to get really really ugly (like breaking some major rules thereby breaking trust in traditional systems) for bitcoin to become a 'safe haven' in case of a financial crash. 
Five or ten years from now, that might be a different story.

It's difficult to treat Bitcoin like anything specifically because it's a stock, commodity, asset, currency, fuel, all in one.  It can thrive in any environment.  If Wall Streets starts buying, expect BTC to be in the $10k's

they are already pumping the shit out of it in the media.. non stop interviews, articles etc day after day the last week or two.. and all of it very positive stuff.

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January 29, 2015, 03:31:56 AM
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Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold).  But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.

Personally, I think this is the most likely scenario as well. ATM bitcoin is like a very risky commodity.  Things would have to get really really ugly (like breaking some major rules thereby breaking trust in traditional systems) for bitcoin to become a 'safe haven' in case of a financial crash.  
Five or ten years from now, that might be a different story.

It's difficult to treat Bitcoin like anything specifically because it's a stock, commodity, asset, currency, fuel, all in one.  It can thrive in any environment.  If Wall Streets starts buying, expect BTC to be in the $10k's

Average Joes don't pump BTC to $10K.  First the whale pumpers do, THEN Average Joe starts buying at the higher price.
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January 29, 2015, 04:03:00 AM
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Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold).  But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.

Personally, I think this is the most likely scenario as well. ATM bitcoin is like a very risky commodity.  Things would have to get really really ugly (like breaking some major rules thereby breaking trust in traditional systems) for bitcoin to become a 'safe haven' in case of a financial crash.  
Five or ten years from now, that might be a different story.

It's difficult to treat Bitcoin like anything specifically because it's a stock, commodity, asset, currency, fuel, all in one.  It can thrive in any environment.  If Wall Streets starts buying, expect BTC to be in the $10k's

It's a shared ledger, so it really is none of those things.  You might use it as those things, but then again I can do the same with seashells or rocks.
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January 29, 2015, 04:15:53 AM
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Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold).  But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.

Personally, I think this is the most likely scenario as well. ATM bitcoin is like a very risky commodity.  Things would have to get really really ugly (like breaking some major rules thereby breaking trust in traditional systems) for bitcoin to become a 'safe haven' in case of a financial crash.  
Five or ten years from now, that might be a different story.

It's difficult to treat Bitcoin like anything specifically because it's a stock, commodity, asset, currency, fuel, all in one.  It can thrive in any environment.  If Wall Streets starts buying, expect BTC to be in the $10k's

It's a shared ledger, so it really is none of those things.  You might use it as those things, but then again I can do the same with seashells or rocks.

"shared ledger" is only half the picture (the tally), the privately-held keys being the other (ownership) half.

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January 29, 2015, 04:17:27 AM
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Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold).  But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.

Personally, I think this is the most likely scenario as well. ATM bitcoin is like a very risky commodity.  Things would have to get really really ugly (like breaking some major rules thereby breaking trust in traditional systems) for bitcoin to become a 'safe haven' in case of a financial crash.  
Five or ten years from now, that might be a different story.

Yes, I think the likely scenario is that, as the global slow-down continues, money will flow to the dollar first since it is perceived by many as the safest asset.
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January 29, 2015, 04:24:12 AM
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Yes, I think the likely scenario is that, as the global slow-down continues, money will flow to the dollar first since it is perceived by many as the safest asset.

Then precious metals and housing secondly, as they will always maintain 'some' intrinsic value.  

Trust me, in a true SHTF scenario, NOBODY is going to want or care for bitcoin.  They're going to want food, shelter, clothing, and nationally recognized currency that will be accepted anywhere with historical usage that extends back thousands of years: silver and gold.
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January 29, 2015, 04:52:20 AM
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"shared ledger" is only half the picture (the tally), the privately-held keys being the other (ownership) half.

It's a shared ledger that requires a private key to sign valid transactions.  But it's a shared ledger nonetheless.  To see the private keys as another "half" of Bitcoin muddles the issue.  You'd be right if you said the other half is the protocol that governs access to the ledger.
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January 29, 2015, 04:56:37 AM
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"shared ledger" is only half the picture (the tally), the privately-held keys being the other (ownership) half.

It's a shared ledger that requires a private key to sign valid transactions.  But it's a shared ledger nonetheless.  To see the private keys as another "half" of Bitcoin muddles the issue.  You'd be right if you said the other half is the protocol that governs access to the ledger.

you sound muddled, and I don't have time to explain it fully. Best, but well done it is indeed a shared ledger, glad you got that bit figured out.

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January 29, 2015, 04:56:51 AM
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Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold).  But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.

Personally, I think this is the most likely scenario as well. ATM bitcoin is like a very risky commodity.  Things would have to get really really ugly (like breaking some major rules thereby breaking trust in traditional systems) for bitcoin to become a 'safe haven' in case of a financial crash.  
Five or ten years from now, that might be a different story.

Yes, I think the likely scenario is that, as the global slow-down continues, money will flow to the dollar first since it is perceived by many as the safest asset.

i would actually look the hell out with this strategy.  i have a sell signal on the dollar.
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January 29, 2015, 05:08:08 AM
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Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold).  But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.

Personally, I think this is the most likely scenario as well. ATM bitcoin is like a very risky commodity.  Things would have to get really really ugly (like breaking some major rules thereby breaking trust in traditional systems) for bitcoin to become a 'safe haven' in case of a financial crash.  
Five or ten years from now, that might be a different story.

Yes, I think the likely scenario is that, as the global slow-down continues, money will flow to the dollar first since it is perceived by many as the safest asset.

i would actually look the hell out with this strategy.  i have a sell signal on the dollar.

I have a big bold buy signal.. both stocks and usd will fly until they dont we will all know when it is here.. the crash will be easy to see question is who will be prepared for it? It has to suck in avg joes first and when that happens big boys offload and with system breaking they will look for an out.. not sure when that is but the event will be epic and hard not to see

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January 29, 2015, 05:32:04 AM
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Gaud, the last thing i want to do is create another massive thread like the "Gold-I smell a trap" one over in Economics that went on for 5 months.  it was just too much work.  most ppl here into gold/silver won't like what i have to say so don't bother reading further.

my views haven't changed.  i think gold/silver is a relic of the past and Bitcoin will assume its place as a new standard.  i think gold drops to $400.  i think that we are about to embark on a massive debt deleveraging phase which will be deflationary and take stocks down with it to test the March 09 lows at least.  we may drift a few more days higher in the Dow before it rolls over.  i see divergences everywhere but especially with the Transports, Russell, and ALL commodities like oil, natural gas, wheat, corn, rice, soybeans, copper and gold/silver.  the silver chart especially is busted.  the general mining stocks are telegraphing hard times ahead like FCX, TCK, BHP.  the junior miners have been devastated as in GDXJ.  GDX is following it down.

there's a good chance Wall St and the Fed are desperately trying to manipulate the Dow higher to get retail investors back in but don't buy it.  once we roll they will sell/short you into oblivion.  the Vix did an underthrow today once again to try and create complacency.

i'm going to try and not say much more as i could be wrong and i know the gold bugs are going to start swarming with the hate.

just gonna put this right here on page one thousand and something.
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January 29, 2015, 05:36:33 AM
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Gaud, the last thing i want to do is create another massive thread like the "Gold-I smell a trap" one over in Economics that went on for 5 months.  it was just too much work.  most ppl here into gold/silver won't like what i have to say so don't bother reading further.

my views haven't changed.  i think gold/silver is a relic of the past and Bitcoin will assume its place as a new standard.  i think gold drops to $400.  i think that we are about to embark on a massive debt deleveraging phase which will be deflationary and take stocks down with it to test the March 09 lows at least.  we may drift a few more days higher in the Dow before it rolls over.  i see divergences everywhere but especially with the Transports, Russell, and ALL commodities like oil, natural gas, wheat, corn, rice, soybeans, copper and gold/silver.  the silver chart especially is busted.  the general mining stocks are telegraphing hard times ahead like FCX, TCK, BHP.  the junior miners have been devastated as in GDXJ.  GDX is following it down.

there's a good chance Wall St and the Fed are desperately trying to manipulate the Dow higher to get retail investors back in but don't buy it.  once we roll they will sell/short you into oblivion.  the Vix did an underthrow today once again to try and create complacency.

i'm going to try and not say much more as i could be wrong and i know the gold bugs are going to start swarming with the hate.

just gonna put this right here on page one thousand and something.


lawl.  Such foresight.  Much tin foil.  Wow!

Gold to 400 and bitcoin to el moon they said.  Buy buy buy!!
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Gaud, the last thing i want to do is create another massive thread like the "Gold-I smell a trap" one over in Economics that went on for 5 months.  it was just too much work.  most ppl here into gold/silver won't like what i have to say so don't bother reading further.

my views haven't changed.  i think gold/silver is a relic of the past and Bitcoin will assume its place as a new standard.  i think gold drops to $400.  i think that we are about to embark on a massive debt deleveraging phase which will be deflationary and take stocks down with it to test the March 09 lows at least.  we may drift a few more days higher in the Dow before it rolls over.  i see divergences everywhere but especially with the Transports, Russell, and ALL commodities like oil, natural gas, wheat, corn, rice, soybeans, copper and gold/silver.  the silver chart especially is busted.  the general mining stocks are telegraphing hard times ahead like FCX, TCK, BHP.  the junior miners have been devastated as in GDXJ.  GDX is following it down.

there's a good chance Wall St and the Fed are desperately trying to manipulate the Dow higher to get retail investors back in but don't buy it.  once we roll they will sell/short you into oblivion.  the Vix did an underthrow today once again to try and create complacency.

i'm going to try and not say much more as i could be wrong and i know the gold bugs are going to start swarming with the hate.

just gonna put this right here on page one thousand and something.


lawl.  Such foresight.  Much tin foil.  Wow!

Gold to 400 and bitcoin to el moon they said.  Buy buy buy!!

since March 13, 2012, Bitcoin has destroyed Gold.  theZerg ought to give us an update.
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January 29, 2015, 05:45:57 AM
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Gaud, the last thing i want to do is create another massive thread like the "Gold-I smell a trap" one over in Economics that went on for 5 months.  it was just too much work.  most ppl here into gold/silver won't like what i have to say so don't bother reading further.

my views haven't changed.  i think gold/silver is a relic of the past and Bitcoin will assume its place as a new standard.  i think gold drops to $400.  i think that we are about to embark on a massive debt deleveraging phase which will be deflationary and take stocks down with it to test the March 09 lows at least.  we may drift a few more days higher in the Dow before it rolls over.  i see divergences everywhere but especially with the Transports, Russell, and ALL commodities like oil, natural gas, wheat, corn, rice, soybeans, copper and gold/silver.  the silver chart especially is busted.  the general mining stocks are telegraphing hard times ahead like FCX, TCK, BHP.  the junior miners have been devastated as in GDXJ.  GDX is following it down.

there's a good chance Wall St and the Fed are desperately trying to manipulate the Dow higher to get retail investors back in but don't buy it.  once we roll they will sell/short you into oblivion.  the Vix did an underthrow today once again to try and create complacency.

i'm going to try and not say much more as i could be wrong and i know the gold bugs are going to start swarming with the hate.

just gonna put this right here on page one thousand and something.


lawl.  Such foresight.  Much tin foil.  Wow!

Gold to 400 and bitcoin to el moon they said.  Buy buy buy!!

since March 13, 2012, Bitcoin has destroyed Gold.  theZerg ought to give us an update.

Well I can't fault you on your pick and choose time frame.  You're right on that.  Gold has not crashed to the depths you speak of, though.  Not even close.  Now the question is, how many people such as yourself had the foresight to buy in big before the rise (many of which had potential realized profits devoured by the Gox debacle).  My guess is you're in the minority.
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Gaud, the last thing i want to do is create another massive thread like the "Gold-I smell a trap" one over in Economics that went on for 5 months.  it was just too much work.  most ppl here into gold/silver won't like what i have to say so don't bother reading further.

my views haven't changed.  i think gold/silver is a relic of the past and Bitcoin will assume its place as a new standard.  i think gold drops to $400.  i think that we are about to embark on a massive debt deleveraging phase which will be deflationary and take stocks down with it to test the March 09 lows at least.  we may drift a few more days higher in the Dow before it rolls over.  i see divergences everywhere but especially with the Transports, Russell, and ALL commodities like oil, natural gas, wheat, corn, rice, soybeans, copper and gold/silver.  the silver chart especially is busted.  the general mining stocks are telegraphing hard times ahead like FCX, TCK, BHP.  the junior miners have been devastated as in GDXJ.  GDX is following it down.

there's a good chance Wall St and the Fed are desperately trying to manipulate the Dow higher to get retail investors back in but don't buy it.  once we roll they will sell/short you into oblivion.  the Vix did an underthrow today once again to try and create complacency.

i'm going to try and not say much more as i could be wrong and i know the gold bugs are going to start swarming with the hate.

just gonna put this right here on page one thousand and something.


lawl.  Such foresight.  Much tin foil.  Wow!

Gold to 400 and bitcoin to el moon they said.  Buy buy buy!!

since March 13, 2012, Bitcoin has destroyed Gold.  theZerg ought to give us an update.

Well I can't fault you on your pick and choose time frame.  You're right on that.  Gold has not crashed to the depths you speak of, though.  Not even close.  Now the question is, how many people such as yourself had the foresight to buy in big before the rise (many of which had potential realized profits devoured by the Gox debacle).  My guess is you're in the minority.


that's probably true.  but alot of those ppl who lost on Gox are true believers who might have been stung but not killed.  they'll use this recent dip to reload.
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January 29, 2015, 06:19:36 AM
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National currencies are as strong as the country that issues them. The US military and territory and populations under its control back the value of the dollar.

The problem is that having a national currency as the world reserve currency gives tremendous power and potential for abuse to the issuer. The US broke with the gold standard in order to finance the Viet Nam war- this was could also be described as tapping into the line of credit represented by the overall use of the dollar. As long as dollars are being used in trade, demand remains high for them, securing their value.


The most traded commodity in the world right now is oil, and if you want to buy it, you probably need dollars because none of the persian gulf states will accept other currencies. Anyway, this is probably really old news for most forum members, but its just background for the consideration that at this point the dollar is very much overextended, and that there is a historical precedent for the currency of every major empire to be debased to the point where it was eventually worthless.

        The liquidity issued by the fed by their bond buying program (QE) is sitting in reserves right now to cover the adjusted capital requirements in post housing bubble financial regulation, but some of these adjustments have been revoked thanks to a very well financed financial lobby. Those dollars, which if released into the market in their entirety would probably be enough to trigger hyperinflation, are, very wisely on the part of the banks, slowly filtering into the economy. This stealth approach reminds me of the same technique of a whale who slowly sells off a security before dumping a larger amount to crash prices and buy back at the bottom of the market.

      The massive reserves being held by the major banks really give them the power to manipulate the global currency market for profit. It can also be used as a political power mechanism in the US\Russian rivalry. This is all well and good as long as their greed doesn't get out of hand. What I mean to say, is the huge cash reserves of the banks allow them to drive economic growth, profits, and thereby tax revenues, but it also gives them the power to unwittingly cause hyperinflation. So far they have shown a lot of restraint, but I highly doubt that this can be maintained indefinitely.

     Makes me wonder if the recent move to weaken Iran\Russia\Venezuela\Syria by the US in collaboration with Saudi Arabia in dropping the oil price has anything to do with the strengthening dollar? Also, what does the deflationary pressure in the EU have to do with any of this?

      With any event its important to ask "Who benefits?" I see China as the big winner in this series of events, as a big holder of dollar denominated debts, dollar reserves, and the US's biggest trade partner, also one of the countries most dependent on oil imports who has been shoring up massive reserves with the present low prices...

     Also important to note is the yet unrealized theft represented by QE, which is being covered right now by simultaneous tapering of dollar QE and increasing QE in the Yen and Euro. In other words, the major banks with the help of the Fed are quietly siphoning value out of the dollar holdings of everyone in the world to their benefit, and the Central banks of the EU and Japan are helping them to cover it up. Honestly, I know all the Central bank leaders meet once a month at the BIS in Switzerland to coordinate global economic policy, but Occum's Razor would really point to them all having a single boss. Now we just have to figure out what he\they want, and position ourselves to profit... this does not necessarily mean doing what they want us to, in fact, it may mean figuring out what they want us to do, and doing the opposite.

     As for the dollar- is it a safe investment? Sorry, the US trade deficit is not going anywhere fast, the Yuan is getting set to float- its an existential gamble for China, but US dependence on China is such that they could afford to make the US buy Yuan in order to trade with them... I think this would be a massive coup, because the skyrocketing demand for yuan could allow them to expand their power in trade deals by massively expanding the money supply to keep prices down for the sake of exports, while simultaneously securing trade deals all over the planet with the newly highly sought after currency. Right now they can get poised by shoring up massive reserves of oil in exchange for their soon-to-be-much-less-valuable dollars, and in order to cope with shortages that might come about due to disturbances originating from the Saudi-US complex, when they finally decide to make their move.

     This is, of course, all speculation, hence the name of the board...
    
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January 29, 2015, 06:27:10 AM
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Well I can't fault you on your pick and choose time frame.

And therein lies the con, it's all about carefully picking your time frame.  It's the oldest salesman tactic in the book.
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