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January 15, 2015, 02:31:14 AM
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I've been gracious enough to share my insights over the last 4.5 years.

this is your problem right here.  you crave admiration which is NOT forthcoming.
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January 15, 2015, 03:13:47 AM
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And that assumes an honest market which now that Wall Street is involved is anybodies guess.
Wait, what?!? How is Wall Street involved in Bitcoin?

They aren't but they are waiting/hoping with baited breath that it fails or gets hacked. Trouble is, the price right now is merely exposing fear and emotion while ignoring that it has not failed or been hacked.  THAT is bad news for bears.  We're very close to a major buying point. Leveraged longs are starting to build on Bitfinex. 

... they're already here, they've been here since July last year. Nobody wants to hear it, Silbert was right they arrived 3-6 months after he said ... it's just that no-one likes the immediate result.

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January 15, 2015, 03:15:09 AM
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to the SC proponents who insist that the 2wp will equalize fiat exchange prices across SC's thru arbitrage.

just look at the $16ish spread btwn Bitfinex and the Chinese exchanges.  and this is with open, relatively equally liquid exchanges that DON'T have a 2 day lock up.  just imagine how volatile and disparate an illiquid, insecure SC can get with manipulation.
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January 15, 2015, 04:55:27 AM
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Perhaps he should stick with "the real Bitcoin" from before the hard fork that created the 1 MB limit.
Hilarious how many people defend the 1 MB limit without realizing that it wasn't part of the original release.

That would be a great infographic - Satoshi's 1st code - Todays code with adds /deletes

This video will give you some idea how much work has been done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFFyMmiOSi8

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January 15, 2015, 05:32:40 AM
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Bears insist on coughing up bitcoins.  And tvbcof cheers. You're idiots.

The last thing I'm doing now at these prices is coughing up BTC.  I might have finished off my early 2014 sales plan at that last $600 spikelett, but I didn't want to have my bank account shut down again.  I'm not buying, but that's mainly because I still have as many in my stash(es) as I need.  I'd consider buying again if not, but only after seeing some strong evidence that sidechains are on the way and that the Bitcoin Foundation bloatchain fork fails to materialize.  I thought the fork was looking like it might happen a year ago and it was a big factor in my deciding to sell in the quantity that I did since it is likely to permanently damage Bitcoin.


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January 15, 2015, 06:15:50 AM
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Geezuz, they still can't get it right. No wonder there is so much confusion. Just like the Blockstream folks. Alot of people are going to keep losing alot of money;

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/techtank/posts/2015/01/13-blockchain-innovation-kaushal
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January 15, 2015, 06:25:43 AM
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Geezuz, they still can't get it right. No wonder there is so much confusion. Just like the Blockstream folks. Alot of people are going to keep losing alot of money;

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/techtank/posts/2015/01/13-blockchain-innovation-kaushal
Let's just stop calling it Bitcoin and really cause some cognitive dissonance.

Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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January 15, 2015, 08:23:37 AM
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Geezuz, they still can't get it right. No wonder there is so much confusion. Just like the Blockstream folks. Alot of people are going to keep losing alot of money;

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/techtank/posts/2015/01/13-blockchain-innovation-kaushal
Let's just stop calling it Bitcoin and really cause some cognitive dissonance.

If you liked Bitcoin you'll love Blockcoin.  New & Improved with 100% more cryptolicious SideChainsTM!!!


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January 15, 2015, 08:40:56 AM
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Geezuz, they still can't get it right. No wonder there is so much confusion. Just like the Blockstream folks. Alot of people are going to keep losing alot of money;

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/techtank/posts/2015/01/13-blockchain-innovation-kaushal
Let's just stop calling it Bitcoin and really cause some cognitive dissonance.

If you liked Bitcoin you'll love Blockcoin.  New & Improved with 100% more cryptolicious SideChainsTM!!!
No seriously. It's a brand thing. Corporations change names all the time. We can just say we are using different "apps" on the Satoshi Blockchain, but they are compatible with the 'old' Bitcoin that people used to use. You can do this overtly and then yes, you can say your client has more features, like counterparty, colored cloins, etc. Side Chains sold separately.

Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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January 15, 2015, 09:33:32 AM
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Sarutobi is ramping the volumes....    

30,000 transactions in one day!

https://blockchain.info/address/3MXxfNZoifLYdS8wJTpvfeDNPt9ZWuMAaN

Not exactly what is needed.

Edit:  the 30k is over 5 days.


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January 15, 2015, 09:44:04 AM
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Sarutobi is ramping the volumes....    

30,000 transactions in one day!

https://blockchain.info/address/3MXxfNZoifLYdS8wJTpvfeDNPt9ZWuMAaN

Not exactly what is needed.


So this is where the increase in number of tx/day comes from? Not very good indeed.
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January 15, 2015, 09:51:25 AM
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Sarutobi is ramping the volumes....    

30,000 transactions in one day!


Looks to me like the transactions start 5 days ago:
https://blockchain.info/address/3MXxfNZoifLYdS8wJTpvfeDNPt9ZWuMAaN?sort=1




Not exactly what is needed.


But what's the problem with introducing people to bitcoin via gaming microtransactions anyway?

Bitcoin is the first monetary system to credibly offer perfect information to all economic participants.
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January 15, 2015, 09:52:31 AM
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Sarutobi is ramping the volumes....    

30,000 transactions in one day!

https://blockchain.info/address/3MXxfNZoifLYdS8wJTpvfeDNPt9ZWuMAaN

Not exactly what is needed.



as peter todd already said:

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i.e. tx volume metric alone means nothing


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January 15, 2015, 10:07:58 AM
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But what's the problem with introducing people to bitcoin via gaming microtransactions anyway?
It would be better if the increase in transactions comes from remittances or merchant payments. But it's better than nothing I guess.
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January 15, 2015, 10:12:27 AM
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But what's the problem with introducing people to bitcoin via gaming microtransactions anyway?
It would be better if the increase in transactions comes from remittances or merchant payments. But it's better than nothing I guess.

I'm more concerned about hitting the 1MB limit before there is a solution to it being rolled out.
A game app would not have to be anywhere near as popular as angry birds to flood the blocks.


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January 15, 2015, 10:55:05 AM
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Bears insist on coughing up bitcoins.  And tvbcof cheers. You're idiots.

The last thing I'm doing now at these prices is coughing up BTC.  I might have finished off my early 2014 sales plan at that last $600 spikelett, but I didn't want to have my bank account shut down again.  I'm not buying, but that's mainly because I still have as many in my stash(es) as I need.  I'd consider buying again if not, but only after seeing some strong evidence that sidechains are on the way and that the Bitcoin Foundation bloatchain fork fails to materialize.  I thought the fork was looking like it might happen a year ago and it was a big factor in my deciding to sell in the quantity that I did since it is likely to permanently damage Bitcoin.



There's a thread up top asking about who sold at160.  You probably did, didn't you? Why? Because your rhetoric,  negativity, and personal attacks have palpably picked up in intensity as the price  dropped. I won't let anyone forget just how negative you've been over the last couple of weeks towards Bitcoin I'll tell you right now.  All the things wrong about it. You'll never live it down.
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January 15, 2015, 11:00:53 AM
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But what's the problem with introducing people to bitcoin via gaming microtransactions anyway?
It would be better if the increase in transactions comes from remittances or merchant payments. But it's better than nothing I guess.

I'm more concerned about hitting the 1MB limit before there is a solution to it being rolled out.
A game app would not have be anywhere near as popular as angry birds to flood the blocks.



There's no doubt though that there is panic selling too as well. But even Sarotoubi serves a  purpose to pay miners,  get  the word out, and probably most importantly pay miner fees.  They need those to stay solvent and we want them to stay solvent to secure the network. And if it pushes the devs to increasing block size sooner, great.
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But what's the problem with introducing people to bitcoin via gaming microtransactions anyway?
It would be better if the increase in transactions comes from remittances or merchant payments. But it's better than nothing I guess.

I'm more concerned about hitting the 1MB limit before there is a solution to it being rolled out.
A game app would not have be anywhere near as popular as angry birds to flood the blocks.



There's no doubt though that there is panic selling too as well. But even Sarotoubi serves a  purpose to pay miners,  get  the word out, and probably most importantly pay miner fees.  They need those to stay solvent and we want them to stay solvent to secure the network. And if it pushes the devs to increasing block size sooner, great.
By the way what do you think about the political controversy around that block size increase? Mircea Popescu will do anything to screw the hard fork. This could end up being really messy.
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January 15, 2015, 11:07:23 AM
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But what's the problem with introducing people to bitcoin via gaming microtransactions anyway?
It would be better if the increase in transactions comes from remittances or merchant payments. But it's better than nothing I guess.

I'm more concerned about hitting the 1MB limit before there is a solution to it being rolled out.
A game app would not have be anywhere near as popular as angry birds to flood the blocks.



There's no doubt though that there is panic selling too as well. But even Sarotoubi serves a  purpose to pay miners,  get  the word out, and probably most importantly pay miner fees.  They need those to stay solvent and we want them to stay solvent to secure the network. And if it pushes the devs to increasing block size sooner, great.
By the way what do you think about the political controversy around that block size increase? Mircea Popescu will do anything to screw the hard fork. This could end up being really messy.

Storm in a teacup.
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January 15, 2015, 11:08:00 AM
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So the petrodollar died in Nov, and nobody noticed, as "for the first time in almost two decades, energy-exporting countries would pull their "petrodollars" out of world markets in 2015."  (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russia-just-pulled-itself-out-petrodollar)

How long until this impacts the USD index?

Is gold going vertical this morning the first cloud of an oncoming storm, or will it take years for King Dollar's momentum to dissipate?


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