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February 01, 2016, 06:08:53 PM
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"The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility."
- Pro 15:33

"By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches, and honour, and life."
- Pro 22:4

Don't you like Wisdom and Science?

Best regards.

I can quote the bible too:
Then you can quote the best that there is to quote.


"If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her." Exodus 21:7

"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." Exodus 21:20
In America, a child is the property of his parents.

In ancient Israel, the best laws of the day in the whole world abounded.


"If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife." Exodus 22:16
(This is a great law for any rapist who wants to marry his rape victim... not so fun for the woman who is required to marry her rapist)
Not rape. She accepted his seduction. Voluntarily.

The command is to the man. The woman already accepted him. Now he needs to keep his part of the seduction agreement.


"Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed" Exodus 22:20
(better start killing those other religions... God commands you to!)
This is an Old Testament command to the nation of Israel. Note that the passage, itself, doesn't state who is to do the destroying. Destruction happens to all who will not worship the God of the ancient Israelites.


"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Numbers 31:17-18
(kill all the men, but keep the virgins as your property... now that's a plan!)

This was a great plan. Killing all the people who were against God was a great form of praise and worship. Marrying the virgins helped to keep in-breeding from happening, at the same time that the Israel men remained righteous by not killing a man and then stealing his wife.

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February 01, 2016, 06:11:47 PM
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God made us to praise and worship Him.

Where did you get that idea?  It makes zero sense...

Just think about it... I know it's difficult, but try to put yourself in God's shoes for 2 seconds...

You are God... you are all-powerful... what do you do?  Create a universe for the sole purpose of having these little ants worship you?  Nope... that's not it...

Ok, no more playing God, you are back to yourself again... Would you create an ant-farm and try to convince them to worship you?  Would you be super happy if a few of them did worship you?  Does any of this make sense?

You have not thought about the glory of God deeply, what it is and how it works. You have not thought about what praise of God really is, or how (in the case of praising God) the praise raises the people doing the praising up towards the level of Godness.

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February 01, 2016, 06:17:27 PM
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God is just. He will punish wicked people according to the quantity and quality of their wickedness.
Says who?
God says it Himself in the bible.

God didn't write the bible, Christians stopped believing that ages ago (because some claims are provably incorrect in the bible)... so nowadays, it's only "divinely inspired, but written by men"

God is a Spirit. He doesn't pick up pen and paper, and write.

Rather, God infused the minds and spirits of certain people who believed in Him, with the words that He wanted written. Then they wrote as He directed.

Bible claims are not incorrect. Often the understanding of people is backwards enough that they don't understand the claims of the Bible correctly.

Just because a Christian doesn't understand everything in the Bible, doesn't make him a non-Christian. As long as he believes that Jesus has forgiven him for his mistakes, he is forgiven and saved.

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February 01, 2016, 07:00:38 PM
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Don't you like Wisdom and Science?

I love wisdom and science, which is why I oppose religion.  Faith is the antithesis of wisdom and science.

Religion requires belief without evidence, and without critical thinking...

Science promotes evidence based belief... and not just any evidence either, it must be 1) substantiated via experimentation, 2) repeatable and independently verified by multiple scientists, 3) withstand the scrutiny of the peer review process, 4) persist and stand the test of time

Religious beliefs/evidence do not do meet the criteria used by science

Why you put yourself in God's shoes?

Why not?  I like to assess a situation from all sides before making a decision for my soul...

Did you believe the first religion that came along? (I assume the religion of your parents as most people)
Do you know a single aspect of Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism besides 'they evil heathens'?
What if Christianity is wrong, and the Hindus chose the correct religion?

Have you even read the bible?  I have read the bible, and that is the main reason I am an atheist...  no God would ever write that book, or condone the behavior in it.

Why are you using this name?

I came across it playing a MUD on a BBS around 20 years ago, and it looked cool, so I started using it...
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February 01, 2016, 07:04:56 PM
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Don't you like Wisdom and Science?

I love wisdom and science, which is why I oppose religion.  Religion is the antithesis of wisdom and science.

Religion requires belief without evidence, and without critical thinking...

Science promotes evidence based belief... and not just any evidence either, it must be 1) substantiated via experimentation, 2) repeatable and independently verified by multiple scientists, 3) withstand the scrutiny of the peer review process, 4) persist and stand the test of time

Religious beliefs/evidence do not do meet the criteria used by science

Why you put yourself in God's shoes?

Why not?  I like to assess a situation from all sides before making a decision for my soul...

Did you believe the first religion that came along? (I assume the religion of your parents as most people)
Do you know a single aspect of Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism besides 'they evil heathens'?
What if Christianity is wrong, and the Hindus chose the correct religion?

Have you even read the bible?  I have read the bible, and that is the main reason I am an atheist...  no God would ever write that book, or condone the behavior in it.

Why are you using this name?

I came across it playing a MUD on a BBS around 20 years ago, and it looked cool, so I started using it...

How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?


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February 01, 2016, 07:07:09 PM
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How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?

Without religion and "The Dark Ages", we would be 300+ years more advanced in terms of science and technology...  religion destroys science, murders scientists... religions burned the Library of Alexandria... not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES!
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February 01, 2016, 07:08:45 PM
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How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?

Without religion and "The Dark Ages", we would be 300+ years more advanced in terms of science and technology...  religion destroys science, murders scientists... religions burned the Library of Alexandria... not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES!

Quoting myself:

Can you answer questions?


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Do you believe the Molech?


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February 01, 2016, 07:41:26 PM
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Do you believe the Molech?

If I believed in מלך, I would not be an Atheist, would I?

Why would you believe in the Christian God?  He's a murderer! He also commands his followers to murder nearly everyone...

According to the bible, God personally murders:
The world with a flood (20 million?)
Sodom and Gammorah (50k?)
The firstborn son of every Egyptian (100k?) (Exodus 11:5)
The Egyptian army (a lot of soldiers)
The Assyrians (185,000) (2 Kings 19:35)
Isrealites (500,000+) (Numbers 16:49, Numbers 25:9, Deuteronomy 2:14-16, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24)
...and many more...

God orders the Israelites to murder:
All the men, women and children in 60 cities (60 cities?!?) (Deuteronomy 3:6)
The Midianites (Numbers 31:17)
Jericho (Joshua 6:21)
The Cananites (Judges 1:4)
The Moabites (Judges 3:28)
...and many more...



Satan murders:
Sarah (1)
Job's wife, children, and servants (a dozen?) (this was completely condoned by God)
...and that's the complete list...

According to the bible, Satan kills a baker's dozen, while God kills by the millions...
God orders the Israelites to murder by the hundreds of thousands, committing genocide over a dozen times!... completely wiping out civilizations!
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February 01, 2016, 07:42:54 PM
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Do you believe the Molech?

If I believed in מלך, I would not be an Atheist, would I?

Why would you believe in the Christian God?  He's a murderer! He also commands his followers to murder nearly everyone...

According to the bible, God personally murders:
The world with a flood (20 million?)
Sodom and Gammorah (50k?)
The firstborn son of every Egyptian (100k?) (Exodus 11:5)
The Egyptian army (a lot of soldiers)
The Assyrians (185,000) (2 Kings 19:35)
Isrealites (500,000+) (Numbers 16:49, Numbers 25:9, Deuteronomy 2:14-16, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24)
...and many more...

God orders the Israelites to murder:
All the men, women and children in 60 cities (60 cities?!?) (Deuteronomy 3:6)
The Midianites (Numbers 31:17)
Jericho (Joshua 6:21)
The Cananites (Judges 1:4)
The Moabites (Judges 3:28)
...and many more...



Satan murders:
Sarah (1)
Job's wife, children, and servants (a dozen?) (this was completely condoned by God)
...and that's the complete list...




You can answer questions: you proved that.

How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?


Best regards.


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February 02, 2016, 07:56:40 AM
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Do you believe the Molech?

If I believed in מלך, I would not be an Atheist, would I?

Why would you believe in the Christian God?  He's a murderer! He also commands his followers to murder nearly everyone...

According to the bible, God personally murders:
The world with a flood (20 million?)
Sodom and Gammorah (50k?)
The firstborn son of every Egyptian (100k?) (Exodus 11:5)
The Egyptian army (a lot of soldiers)
The Assyrians (185,000) (2 Kings 19:35)
Isrealites (500,000+) (Numbers 16:49, Numbers 25:9, Deuteronomy 2:14-16, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24)
...and many more...

God orders the Israelites to murder:
All the men, women and children in 60 cities (60 cities?!?) (Deuteronomy 3:6)
The Midianites (Numbers 31:17)
Jericho (Joshua 6:21)
The Cananites (Judges 1:4)
The Moabites (Judges 3:28)
...and many more...



Satan murders:
Sarah (1)
Job's wife, children, and servants (a dozen?) (this was completely condoned by God)
...and that's the complete list...

According to the bible, Satan kills a baker's dozen, while God kills by the millions...
God orders the Israelites to murder by the hundreds of thousands, committing genocide over a dozen times!... completely wiping out civilizations!


First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Second, God does not take life away where mankind has not thrown it away already. In fact, it is through Jesus God that mankind has life on earth the second time. The first time mankind threw it away through the sin of Adam and Eve. God forgave them, and granted life to them so that you and I and all the rest of the people can have life.

How many opportunities does God give? Many. Every time a person thwarts and attempts to thwart the laws that God has set in place, and the person does not immediately die from doing so, God has saved the person for another day, and given him/her some more chances.

In the Old Testament, when people of nations turned away from God and were destroyed by Israel or God Himself, the idea was to make Israel strong so that Jesus could come at the right time to do His saving work. Without the saving work of Jesus, those nations would have not existed in the first place, would not have had a chance to live, and would not have had the chance to be saved. Their destruction was a thing that they were asking for by their actions against God. He was simply giving them what they asked for, and preparing the Jesus-way so that they could have life in the first place.

The point of all this is the example for you and all people. Are we going to be like the nations God destroyed? Or are we going to be like the people He saves?

Notice that all people, both godly and ungodly, die. The whole idea has to do with the salvation to eternal life. The second thing it has to do with is the avoidance of eternal damnation.

Your chances may not be over yet. You may not be locked into unbelief yet. Turn while you have a chance, before you lock yourself into damnation through your death in this life. Once you die, you have no more chance to be saved, because you have no more ability to turn and believe in Jesus salvation.

Even if you happened to be right regarding your honor, that you would not follow a God who was a murderer. What does it matter? You are still stupidly clinging to your eternal damnation for the sake of honor? Is it worth it for what you consider to be honor? On top of it, is it worth it in light of the fact that it might not be honor at all, but that you might be mistaken about what is honorable?

God created all. God sustains all. Mankind causes his own death by rejecting God, the only Sustainer of life.

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February 02, 2016, 08:06:18 AM
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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

So you condone murdering your own children for any reason?  How could you claim that to be moral?

How many opportunities does God give? Many. Every time a person thwarts and attempts to thwart the laws that God has set in place, and the person does not immediately die from doing so, God has saved the person for another day, and given him/her some more chances.

I would advise you to read the Exodus from Egypt...

Does God give Pharaoh many chances?  NO! You didn't actually read it did you?

According to scripture, Pharaoh was ready to let the Israelites go after Moses asked the first time, but "God hardened Pharaoh's heart" each time so he could send plague after plague at him... Eventually murdering the firstborn child of every Egyptian citizen, servant and animal

Basically God is punishing the Egyptians for a non-sin... because Pharaoh wanted to let them go, until God stopped him by hardening his heart...

wtf is that about?  God sounds like a real asshat in this story too...
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February 02, 2016, 08:21:35 AM
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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

So you condone murdering your own children for any reason?  How could you claim that to be moral?
Haven't we just been talking about the illegality of murder? Why do you ask such silly things? Even though my children are mine and my wife's as property, they are God's, as well, because He gives the kids their spirit.

How long will you continue to twist understanding all out of shape?


How many opportunities does God give? Many. Every time a person thwarts and attempts to thwart the laws that God has set in place, and the person does not immediately die from doing so, God has saved the person for another day, and given him/her some more chances.

I would advise you to read the Exodus from Egypt...

Does God give Pharaoh many chances?  NO! You didn't actually read it did you?

According to scripture, Pharaoh was ready to let the Israelites go after Moses asked the first time, but "God hardened Pharaoh's heart" each time so he could send plague after plague at him... Eventually killing the firstborn child of every Egyptian citizen, servant and animal

Basically God is punishing the Egyptians for a non-sin... because Pharaoh wanted to let them go, until God stopped him by hardening his heart...

wtf is that about?  God sounds like a real asshat in this story...

There God goes again. He hardens your heart. Why? Because you essentially asked Him to, simply by your thinking and actions. You saw where it got Pharaoh. But you keep right on asking for God to do it to you, just like Pharaoh did.

You should feel relieved that God isn't trying to set up a nation of Israel next to you. He just might have to rain some plagues down on you to show His glory to His people Israel. If that happened, you might forget all the many previous chances God gave you, simply because of the pain of the plagues. Rather, God is merciful towards you, calling to you, a lost (almost lost?) child, hoping for your salvation before it is too late for you.

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February 02, 2016, 08:26:45 AM
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Long ago, in a galaxy far away, I was once a Christian...

Reminds me of a story:

On my Sunday afternoon bike ride I always pass by this small farm. One week I noticed a big sign by the gate: "Christian puppies for sale." It was still there the next week...

Two weeks later there was a new big sign: "Atheist puppies for sale."

That made me curious, so I turned in and rode up to the farm house. Saw the farmer by the barn, rolled over, and introduced myself. I told him I had seen the "Christian puppies" sign two weeks earlier, and I was wondering what the deal was.

"I got puppies for sale."

"So I gathered. Did you get a new litter this week?"

"Nope. Same puppies"

"So, why were they Christian puppies for the last two weeks, but now they are Atheist puppies?"

"They opened their eyes"
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Long ago, in a galaxy far away, I was once a Christian...

Reminds me of a story:

On my Sunday afternoon bike ride I always pass by this small farm. One week I noticed a big sign by the gate: "Christian puppies for sale." It was still there the next week...

Two weeks later there was a new big sign: "Atheist puppies for sale."

That made me curious, so I turned in and rode up to the farm house. Saw the farmer by the barn, rolled over, and introduced myself. I told him I had seen the "Christian puppies" sign two weeks earlier, and I was wondering what the deal was.

"I got puppies for sale."

"So I gathered. Did you get a new litter this week?"

"Nope. Same puppies"

"So, why were they Christian puppies for the last two weeks, but now they are Atheist puppies?"

"They opened their eyes"

Too bad the farmer hadn't opened his eyes.    Smiley

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February 02, 2016, 08:40:22 AM
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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.


Well, rather convenient isn't it?
I don't like the idea of being owned by a God or whatever  Angry

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February 02, 2016, 08:52:04 AM
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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.


Well, rather convenient isn't it?
I don't like the idea of being owned by a God or whatever  Angry

I think this is somewhat the thing we are talking about.

God made everything. He maintains everything, even your life, and all the good opportunities and pleasures you have... as well as the troubles, but He makes those bearable for you.

There is no way that any of us could maintain ourselves if we divorced ourselves from God. Without God, we would not have life.

Why are you so against God, since you yourself are a gift from Him to you? Doesn't seem to make sense for anyone to be against God.

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.


Well, rather convenient isn't it?
I don't like the idea of being owned by a God or whatever  Angry

I think this is somewhat the thing we are talking about.

God made everything. He maintains everything, even your life, and all the good opportunities and pleasures you have... as well as the troubles, but He makes those bearable for you.

There is no way that any of us could maintain ourselves if we divorced ourselves from God. Without God, we would not have life.

Why are you so against God, since you yourself are a gift from Him to you? Doesn't seem to make sense for anyone to be against God.

Smiley

Well, why being for him? What did he do for me? He has no influence in our daily life no?

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Murder is purposely killing a person. Whether or not you own that person is not in the definition - the only important thing is whether or not the murder was "lawful".

If God exists and is omnipotent, or even only omniscient, it will obey no human laws and so if this God kills a person in a way that is not allowed by the laws of a particular nation, it does so unlawfully. It doesn't matter that you think this God's law should have primacy.

Given the above (God exists, God is at least omniscient) then if a person's death results from this God's actions in a way considered unlawful by a given nation, then that God has committed a  murder in that nation.

Interestingly this means that God cannot commit murder in countries that have religious laws since I'm fairly certain they would by definition  exempt their God from any crime.

  

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.


Well, rather convenient isn't it?
I don't like the idea of being owned by a God or whatever  Angry

I think this is somewhat the thing we are talking about.

God made everything. He maintains everything, even your life, and all the good opportunities and pleasures you have... as well as the troubles, but He makes those bearable for you.

There is no way that any of us could maintain ourselves if we divorced ourselves from God. Without God, we would not have life.

Why are you so against God, since you yourself are a gift from Him to you? Doesn't seem to make sense for anyone to be against God.

Smiley

Well, why being for him? What did he do for me? He has no influence in our daily life no?

He made you. He gave you your spirit. He maintains everything so that you can go on living. He maintains your daily life. He offers you salvation to eternal life through faith in His Son Jesus.

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Murder is purposely killing a person. Whether or not you own that person is not in the definition - the only important thing is whether or not the murder was "lawful".
God can't be left out of any of the picture. The whole operation of people dying is something that happens in the process of God maintaining every little thing in the universe. His maintenance of everything includes giving us death when we ask for it. This isn't the same as simple murder. Things are completely different from the God-standpoint than the man-standpoint.


If God exists and is omnipotent, or even only omniscient, it will obey no human laws and so if this God kills a person in a way that is not allowed by the laws of a particular nation, it does so unlawfully. It doesn't matter that you think this God's law should have primacy.
God's law is to not murder. The laws of nations come about because people are basing their laws on what God has set in place... although often people mess God's perfect laws up when they don't consult Him first.


Given the above (God exists, God is at least omniscient) then if a person's death results from this God's actions in a way considered unlawful by a given nation, then that God has committed a  murder in that nation.
Quite the contrary. God is maintaining life. It is mankind who has brought death upon himself. However, since God controls everything, it is His doing that exercises mans' request for death, be that request by voice or by action.


Interestingly this means that God cannot commit murder in countries that have religious laws since I'm fairly certain they would by definition  exempt their God from any crime.

Here is where you fail in your thinking. God has prepared a day of resurrection for all people, where He will bring us all back to life. At that time, he will separate the righteous from the unrighteous. The righteous are those who have believed in God for the salvation offered through His Son, Jesus. The unrighteous are those who have not believed God, or have sought salvation by some other method than Jesus even though they might have believed God exists.

You have a chance, now, by reading this writing. Come to faith in Jesus God before you lock yourself into unbelief by dying without faith. after all, once you are dead, you can't change anything about your situation.

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