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October 14, 2013, 12:06:24 AM
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All not well in KNC paradise???   Just checking in as it gives me the shits and giggles..

    
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October 14, 2013, 12:08:30 AM
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They removed the usb from the bbb because it doesnt work with the miner.... good luck

I really wonder :
- WHY they removed it
- WHAT they precisely removed from the BBB PCB

Removing a connector, or having a special run of BBB without the connector, adds complexity to the process.
If KnC did that, they must have a really serious reason.
Or maybe there was a shortage of USB connectors, but I don't believe this.

If they removed only the connector, AND there was no reason to remove it (unlikely), then it should be easy to add a connector and plug a USB device.
If anyone feels brave enough to do it, let us know how it turns out Smiley

Same for the mini HDMI connector, it looks like it's been removed : it would be nice to connect a small LCD screen to show cgminer.
It might require some small changes to the firmware so that the "screen" process running cgminer outputs to the framebuffer, but that can be done.

I'd love to work on all this, but I need to get my miner first.

And a fully capable BBB having shortfalls with a Jupiter doesn't absolutely mean it can't work with a Mercury.



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October 14, 2013, 12:08:50 AM
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Why? Not even I consider this an Epic Fail, and I don't have my day 2 order.
They did an outstanding job on everything except the delivery. No one could have foreseen the PSU issues, and they did roll out 5 firmware updates in not even 2 weeks. As far as I am concerned that is the opposite of an Epic Fail.  

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October 14, 2013, 12:10:48 AM
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They removed the usb from the bbb because it doesnt work with the miner.... good luck

I really wonder :
- WHY they removed it
- WHAT they precisely removed from the BBB PCB

Removing a connector, or having a special run of BBB without the connector, adds complexity to the process.
If KnC did that, they must have a really serious reason.
Or maybe there was a shortage of USB connectors, but I don't believe this.

If they removed only the connector, AND there was no reason to remove it (unlikely), then it should be easy to add a connector and plug a USB device.
If anyone feels brave enough to do it, let us know how it turns out Smiley

Same for the mini HDMI connector, it looks like it's been removed : it would be nice to connect a small LCD screen to show cgminer.
It might require some small changes to the firmware so that the "screen" process running cgminer outputs to the framebuffer, but that can be done.

I'd love to work on all this, but I need to get my miner first.

If I remember correctly the stated reason was to prevent power conflict from a powered USB device.
(I thought the Usb cable spec provides protection?)

Sadly there is a USB LCD screen that already works with cgminer.

hw
http://coldtearselectronics.wikispaces.com/USB+LCD+-+LCD+System+info
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https://github.com/cardcomm/cgminerLCDStats




"power conflict from a powered USB device "  Like a non-powered USB hub sporting 3 USB BEs.



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October 14, 2013, 12:13:27 AM
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ug, Switching to Eligus.. an extra 5% from merged Namecoin mining, and no pool fees, so at least 7% over slush... and they pay out transaction fees to the miners...I have no idea how much that is, but that makes it OVER 7% better pay over slush. I'm there!


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October 14, 2013, 12:14:18 AM
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I'd have to say you both have valid points. MHS, you are right in your assessment, and Mota, your observation. Problem is you're arguing two seperate issues and conflating them.

If nobody will take a risk on a new product, then there will be no new product. If nobody will take a risk on a new company, there will be government intervention on behalf of the bankers no new companies.

Either way, you assume some risk, and sometimes it bites you.

Granted, I have no skin in this game, just a lot of interest. But for whatever it may be worth, I expected their rollout to be far worse. And this is the horse I would have backed.

I think they should hire a serious PR staff, and like those "large" companies, keep the engineers AWAY from microphones, forums, etc. Engineers build shit. Most of them can't sell shit unless the market is on fire, and they tend to overestimate their abilities. No, I'm not saying they lie, I'm saying that they get enthused and fail to account for Mr. Murphy or Feed Justin Case. Justin's a good guy when he ain't hungry, and Murphy is the devil's nightmare. There is good reason why most managers are NOT tech people. They are able to abstract themselves from the project and see the wide world a bit clearer. KnC needs some of those people. I think their development team is nothing short of spectacular, but they have operated their business like rank amateurs. They are clearly very smart people. I hope they learn from this and fix the glaring errors going forward. I suspect they will.

Also, never forget that the established companies screw the pooch too. Anybody remember the IBM PS/2?
Wow, if you read that just now you have a lot of catching up to do! Cheesy
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October 14, 2013, 12:16:01 AM
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KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

sure, 7k without VAT and delivery during end of summer.)

Actually Xialla it was 250Gh/s delivered in 'early Autumn';

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187428.0

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The astronomical fall (Northern Hemisphere) 2013 began on;

Sunday, September 22


and ends on;

Friday, December 20


Cypherdoc my stance always has been that I would like to work for them if they can really live upto their claims. They have and they asked me to come to Stockholm the weekend prior to the ASICs being received by hand courier to watch a very tense and stressful engineering feat and document it to the community, placing their necks firmly on the chopping board for all to see, warts and all, and let me document it. I haven't signed any contract yet, I haven't been paid yet, I haven't even received my own order yet.

They have never lied about performance specs or their intention to deliver on time.

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no orama...see the very first post of knc.... Summer 2013 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg1771040#msg1771040

One of the deciding factors, after having done my due diligence and approximate calculations, was the part of the statement that said they (mining rigs) will be ready "by the summer of 2013".

This statement clearly avoids mentioning END of summer, and definitely does not say AFTER summer. Although I did not factor in an increase in hashing power, which clearly KNC SEEMS to be providing (as I have yet to receive my June 18th order), I did factor in an END OF SUMMER delivery in my calculations as part of my due diligence, as was quite happy with my figures and reasoning for purchasing a KNC Saturn.

Then of course we had KNC state a few promises of miner/network protection and their every famous "under promise, over deliver" statement, and the decision to purchase the Saturn was solidified. So, if KNC can figure out where it fell short for some/most of its customers, and if it can figure out how to stay true to their company motto, then ALL (KNC and customers) will come out of this endeavor satisfied.
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October 14, 2013, 12:19:20 AM
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All not well in KNC paradise???   Just checking in as it gives me the shits and giggles..

    
I will now declare this a       "E  P  I  C     F  A  I  L"         Cheesy

The % of unhappy customers are in the single percentages...   and each day that gets smaller as they fix issues & ship units.
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October 14, 2013, 12:22:48 AM
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Meanwhile, back at the farm:



Dat's 2117 TH/s.

it will hit 3PH soon

That's scary because KNC hasn't delivered anything new in a week.  Who put up all that hashing power today?

If KnC does do a relatively large shipment on a single day we should see it reflected in network hashrate as an unusual blip.  Might be usable to distinguish the effect of KnC additions from others.  

Bitfury added a hundred TH just this weekend and just to this pool: https://ghash.io/  . But please bring those discussions to mining speculation.

Regarding promised dates, indeed OP clearly states summer. Late August was also mentioned though only as a possibility and then September was the deadline offered. I got very annoyed when I was told, in person, at that luxurious office in the most expensive part of Stockholm, that the only date given was always the 15th of October! October was definitely not what we were told when we payed thousands of USD's for a pre-order (>8000 USD in my case) in early June. Now I can totally live with a slight delay since they totally over-delivered in hash rate, but not with fact distortion and playing people for dumb. Please stop that!  (Like that "early autumn" post). KNC also said "refunds until shipment" and now stopped that!  

For me, and I guess for most people, the over delivery in hash rate makes up for the delay (even if early delivery would have been preferable to higher hash rate). However nothing makes up for pretending some things were not said.

Actually for me, technically, the hash rate is already technically "under-promised" as when, after leaving Sweden empty handed, and after a few full days of losing time trying to reach customer support and playing detective for phone numbers, I finally found Sam's number and gave him a call directly (something I hated having to do). He found my unit that was supposed to have shipped two days before in his office. I was finally given the possibility of a refund (that I asked earlier the same day without success to customer support) or ship. I asked "OK, does it really run at +550?", I was expecting a "no, but around 500" and I would have said "that's great! ship it please", but I was told that yes, it is running at over 550 like they advertise in the website now.

No need for that! What's the point? Feels like they are trying hard to throw away the "under-promise over-deliver" and totally kill their definite 500>400 glow!

When I went to Sweden I was feeling a bit like a Orama wannabe wanting to take photos of machines and "win the bet" for September (even though I didn't actually bet). Now, after they entered this stage, I just feel like whining endlessly about September, the thousands of USD in pre-orders and compensations.

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October 14, 2013, 12:30:12 AM
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If I remember correctly the stated reason was to prevent power conflict from a powered USB device.
(I thought the Usb cable spec provides protection?)

This really does not make sense to me.
A powered USB device does not send power back to the USB port it is connected to.

It must be something else - I don't think about something fishy, they must have a valid reason, it's just that I don't see it now.

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October 14, 2013, 12:32:59 AM
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tomorrow will be a big day. let see what Kncminer can deliver on October 14 to know if they can deliver everythings by October 15 .
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October 14, 2013, 12:36:51 AM
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tomorrow will be a big day. let see what Kncminer can deliver on October 14 to know if they can deliver everythings by October 15 .
Cry  UG, what he said.. ^^^


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October 14, 2013, 12:40:05 AM
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If I remember correctly the stated reason was to prevent power conflict from a powered USB device.
(I thought the Usb cable spec provides protection?)

This really does not make sense to me.
A powered USB device does not send power back to the USB port it is connected to.

It must be something else - I don't think about something fishy, they must have a valid reason, it's just that I don't see it now.

Looking at a Dell monitor with a pair of broken USB ports, the USB 5V in only goes to signal its presence and power to the monitor's usb ports is supplied from the monitor power supply.  If you look at the inexpensive 7 port USB hubs available now the 5 volts from its supply is common with the 5 volts on any line in.  Plug one of those into your BBB board, then mistakenly plug in a 12vdc wall wart with an identical connector as the USB hub's power supply and you have 12vdc heading up into your BBB attached to the Jupiter.



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October 14, 2013, 12:56:28 AM
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Where's the datacenter for hosting

https://www.kncminer.com/categories/hosting

eternity, if its the ip address i found and posted earlier, it is a long long way from stockholm. I could be wrong.
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October 14, 2013, 01:07:43 AM
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Meanwhile, back at the farm:



Dat's 2117 TH/s.

it will hit 3PH soon

That's scary because KNC hasn't delivered anything new in a week.  Who put up all that hashing power today?

If KnC does do a relatively large shipment on a single day we should see it reflected in network hashrate as an unusual blip.  Might be usable to distinguish the effect of KnC additions from others. 

couldn't be these guys could it?Huh? ip addie  85.230.50.37
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October 14, 2013, 01:15:37 AM
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couldn't be these guys could it?Huh? ip addie  85.230.50.37

Hardly. This address found only two blocks. That means it performs approximately at 18TH: (2/231×2100=18.181818182)

first, have you read any real good posts from HOSTED MINERS, AND

secondly, did you do an ip trace on that ip address....then let me know what you think???
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couldn't be these guys could it?Huh? ip addie  85.230.50.37

IMO I'm looking at Bitfury and coughbflcough as contributing to the latest increase.
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Anyone know what 'other' errors are in the btcguild dashboard? I'm down to 400GH/s and about 1/4th of the total shares are ending up in the OTHER error column.

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couldn't be these guys could it?Huh? ip addie  85.230.50.37

IMO I'm looking at Bitfury and coughbflcough as contributing to the latest increase.

Well, ghash.io increased its performance approximately by 100Th during past day/day and a half. This is true.
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October 14, 2013, 01:45:48 AM
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Anyone know what 'other' errors are in the btcguild dashboard? I'm down to 400GH/s and about 1/4th of the total shares are ending up in the OTHER error column.



dhenson, hit up eleuthria, he def. can tell you....here is his thread for your btcguild....https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49417.4240
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