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October 13, 2013, 07:46:31 PM
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devolving into threats now, eh?

it takes 2 to tango, my friend/attacker.

No. Just highlighting how it must feel to have your life discussed in a public forum. I'll leave this be and go and do something useful if you do the same - it takes two parties to resolve a conflict. You never know, we both might end up getting our miners sometime soon  Roll Eyes

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October 13, 2013, 07:49:49 PM
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devolving into threats now, eh?

it takes 2 to tango, my friend/attacker.

No. Just highlighting how it must feel to have your life discussed in a public forum. I'll leave this be and go and do something useful if you do the same - it takes two parties to resolve a conflict. You never know, we both might end up getting our miners sometime soon  Roll Eyes

no one has revealed anymore than Rama revealed himself.

as for resolution, you're on.  if you shut up, i'll shut up.

for now.
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October 13, 2013, 07:51:06 PM
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I can understand ppl getting angry in case their order did not arrive, yet, but ~100pages of complaints since I checked this forum last time is quite impressive.
And I'm wondering whether hashfast or cointerra customers will experience even more delays...?

When finally holding KnC hardware in your own hands you will see it's very nice quality and you'll be way more relaxed, even if there are some loose fans you just clip on again in no time.
I did not reach specified hashrate in avg until latest firmware update, but I was not worried that much about it since kept in mind product is not older than 13days right now.

Power-consumption I read in here is now down to 0.85W => you can run your miner way longer than thought.
Hashrate will be increased further with upcoming firmware releases for sure. I'm confident meanwhile that devices hash way faster at the end than you currently think they are capable of..let's see.

You can count both, decreased power consumption and increasing hashrate as compensation since bfl would charge you extra money, no?

Yes, KnC could give out more infos, and their answers via mail take a while. There's room for improvement.
And I do not understand why they do not allow refunds while there are ppl waiting on the fence to get some devices, maybe it's protecting them from a decision they will regret afterwards ^^.
Nevertheless you can sell your preorder anytime on ebay where ppl pay crazy prices for mining hardware.

Anyhow I'm very sure KnC folks are good guys, not in the game for the money *only*.
It's in their own interest customers will be happy at the end.
For day1 hosting there is already a compensation in place - never heard about a avalon or bfl compensation.
I assume after shipping is done, they'll think about how to make this a win-win situation for everyone of us.

So my bottom line is, be a little bit more patient and relaxed - things will very likely work out for you.

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October 13, 2013, 07:55:55 PM
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I can understand ppl getting angry in case their order did not arrive, yet, but ~100pages of complaints since I checked this forum last time is quite impressive.
And I'm wondering whether hashfast or cointerra customers will experience even more delays...?

When finally holding KnC hardware in your own hands you will see it's very nice quality and you'll be way more relaxed, even if there are some loose fans you just clip on again in no time.
I did not reach specified hashrate in avg until latest firmware update, but I was not worried that much about it since kept in mind product is not older than 13days right now.

Power-consumption I read in here is now down to 0.85W => you can run your miner way longer than thought.
Hashrate will be increased further with upcoming firmware releases for sure. I'm confident meanwhile that devices hash way faster at the end than you currently think they are capable of..let's see.

You can count both, decreased power consumption and increasing hashrate as compensation since bfl would charge you extra money, no?

Yes, KnC could give out more infos, and their answers via mail take a while. There's room for improvement.
And I do not understand why they do not allow refunds while there are ppl waiting on the fence to get some devices, maybe it's protecting them from a decision they will regret afterwards ^^.
Nevertheless you can sell your preorder anytime on ebay where ppl pay crazy prices for mining hardware.

Anyhow I'm very sure KnC folks are good guys, not in the game for the money *only*.
It's in their own interest customers will be happy at the end.
For day1 hosting there is already a compensation in place - never heard about a avalon or bfl compensation.
I assume after shipping is done, they'll think about how to make this a win-win situation for everyone of us.

So my bottom line is, be a little bit more patient and relaxed - things will very likely work out for you.

+1 :-)
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October 13, 2013, 07:57:46 PM
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Power-consumption I read in here is now down to 0.85W => you can run your miner way longer than thought.

More like >1.1 J/GH.  Still that is a lot better than the original 2 J/GH estimate.

You pay for wattage at the wall, that is the number that matters.  I haven't seen a single report by end user of kill-a-watt showing <500W for system @ 500 GH/s.
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October 13, 2013, 07:59:31 PM
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please point out where i've trolled this thread. 


It seems that retard Inaba has a fan. Well done!

iCEBREAKER is a troll! He and cypherdoc helped HashFast scam 50 Million $ from its customers !
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October 13, 2013, 08:01:44 PM
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Power-consumption I read in here is now down to 0.85W => you can run your miner way longer than thought.

More like >1.1 J/GH.  Still that is a lot better than the original 2 J/GH estimate.

You pay for wattage at the wall, that is the number that matters.  I haven't seen a single report by end user of kill-a-watt showing <500W for system @ 500 GH/s.

no..it is 1w/GHs...
avg 545 gh/s in cgminer...530-540 Watt at kill-o-watt
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October 13, 2013, 08:03:40 PM
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How did you get the average on bitminter?

They have a nice stats page here: https://bitminter.com/livestats/big
And on that page you have your hashrate on the 10 last shifts.


Thats your average per shift but not a long term average. I was hoping for a long term average.
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October 13, 2013, 08:06:49 PM
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Power-consumption I read in here is now down to 0.85W => you can run your miner way longer than thought.

More like >1.1 J/GH.  Still that is a lot better than the original 2 J/GH estimate.

You pay for wattage at the wall, that is the number that matters.  I haven't seen a single report by end user of kill-a-watt showing <500W for system @ 500 GH/s.

no..it is 1w/GHs...
avg 545 gh/s in cgminer...530-540 Watt at kill-o-watt

You measured this yourself?  Others have reported higher consumption.  Can you let me know the power supply and AC voltage?  Also does your rig the 4 or 8 VRM version?
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October 13, 2013, 08:08:26 PM
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Power-consumption I read in here is now down to 0.85W => you can run your miner way longer than thought.

More like >1.1 J/GH.  Still that is a lot better than the original 2 J/GH estimate.

You pay for wattage at the wall, that is the number that matters.  I haven't seen a single report by end user of kill-a-watt showing <500W for system @ 500 GH/s.

no..it is 1w/GHs...
avg 545 gh/s in cgminer...530-540 Watt at kill-o-watt

You measured this yourself?  Others have reported higher consumption.  Can you let me know the power supply and AC voltage?

yes i have done it myself. PC&Cooling (OCZ) MK III 1200. 220 volt
see at the knc forum..there are more reports with about 530 watts.
8 VRMs but 4 are disabled since FW 0.91
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October 13, 2013, 08:08:47 PM
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When I ordered and paid in July the KnC page said 400 for a Jup. It said October in huge letters for delivery.
That was what tipped me over to ordering. The fact that it would be early enough to have a chance of breaking even, and also that KnC understood that by their (back then quite frequent compared to now) statements about difficulty being important.

What has been delivered to others has not been double that, has on a lot of occasions not worked close to that spec even in hosting.

In any case, the speed is moot if you don't have the rig hashing. This is all non hardware related we hear, it's firmware. If so, what's the production delay? Why not churn them out and update the firmware ? If what we have been told is true about the production times and lines they could have finished them all days ago. 500 a day should be easily possible. 30 assembly benches..8 hours a day. Easy.

How can such magnificent engineers not know the production capacity of their own factory? It's fucking basic. In a real business it would be the deal breaker for funding in the business plan (pre-order avoids the need to actually know these basics for backing doesn't it?). The timing of the batch being all complete should be known for definite.

These facts simply don't go together. Rigs change status and nothing moves. KnC STFU completely.
Meanwhile we all know we are losing money and worry that we may take delivery of a malfunctioning machine after all this time.

Add to this the attitude that being pissed off about all this over promising and non delivering is somehow trolling? We don't look at this as some marvellous experiment that we can get into for free and make millions whatever happens..to us it's seeing a company and product, measuring their promises against what seems possible and investing our money based on those promises. The only pleasure we get is a box arriving and the rig working..then we breathe a sigh of relief. Even if it's a day or two late.

Right now, those of us who haven't seen that box, we're not having fun. We have no solid information and even though they know how things are, they don't have anyone working to even answer the phone. We're all losing the possibility of breaking even in return for putting our trust in KnC. They seem to think we're stupid for that. Or it simply doesn't matter.

Oh and forget that "we're all busy" crap...they have a hell of a lot of money to hire a few temps for a week like any other very busy business does. To assemble, answer the phone, send email updates, free up someone who can etc.

Taking the piss.

Dude, Ive already told KNC if my units are not shipped by October 15th I will be invoicing for everyday of lost mining. I suggest you do the same.
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October 13, 2013, 08:54:19 PM
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 Sad I hope I will have my Jupiters getting online by October 15. Paid for miners and hosting in July.
 Angry stress out by their delay and their excuses.
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October 13, 2013, 08:57:55 PM
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Sad I hope I will have my Jupiters getting online by October 15. Paid for miners and hosting in July.
 Angry stress out by their delay and their excuses.
Take a look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=249065.0;topicseen
From this list, KnC are now hosting a minimum of 2 miners, but have shipped a larger number proportionally. It sure would be good to have some feedback about the hosting issues.
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October 13, 2013, 09:01:27 PM
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Power-consumption I read in here is now down to 0.85W => you can run your miner way longer than thought.

More like >1.1 J/GH.  Still that is a lot better than the original 2 J/GH estimate.

You pay for wattage at the wall, that is the number that matters.  I haven't seen a single report by end user of kill-a-watt showing <500W for system @ 500 GH/s.

with 0.94 my two jups give me (5s):513.1G (avg):496.6Gh/s and they drained at the wall 4.4 Ampere @ 220 V --> 968 Watts.
(and this includes fans/controll board/BBB etc etc).

next time I'll go to the colo I'll redo the measure for 0.95.

if KnC will fix the flushwork implmentation I think I can squeeze the ramining GH/s to get 500 on avg,

edit: all my PCBs board have 8 VRMs


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October 13, 2013, 09:14:04 PM
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KNC are shit hot Engineers (but engineers should not run companies) , there reputation as a company is what people will remember, how they treated their customers is what people will remember.

the 2 principals of KNC are not engineers.  they are businessmen.

which is why i went with HF.  Simon is a brilliant engineer along with his team of at least 4 asic engineers and now more.  i've lost track of the actual number.

Your hijacking this thread to tout hashfast is terrible and you should be ashamed.  That said, but, if you were to suggest to someone who knows nothing about hashfast what the best hashfast miner to put money in RIGHT NOW, what would you suggest?  At what website?  And in the future?



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October 13, 2013, 09:17:45 PM
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My 2centz.....
To those thinking another BBB will help their Jupiter....... WRONG
The BBB is useless without the controller board it's mounted to.


So, the controller board won't mount on another BBB, one yet having a USB port, say for wifi?



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October 13, 2013, 09:19:42 PM
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I was considering that originally for my tests.

But....?

Edit: I dont wanna enter my garage the next morning and that thing started a little fire.

A capacitor exposed to excessive voltage, poping a short thru its diaelectric and outgassing, isn't a fire (even if there is soot expelled with the outgassing).



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by about 20 gh/s, yes, and dropped temps 10 degrees Celcius
260 to 272gh/s, and 58-60C to 43-45C

20GH/s is two Blades almost!



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October 13, 2013, 09:21:49 PM
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KNC are shit hot Engineers (but engineers should not run companies) , there reputation as a company is what people will remember, how they treated their customers is what people will remember.

the 2 principals of KNC are not engineers.  they are businessmen.

which is why i went with HF.  Simon is a brilliant engineer along with his team of at least 4 asic engineers and now more.  i've lost track of the actual number.

Your hijacking this thread to tout hashfast is terrible and you should be ashamed.  That said, but, if you were to suggest to someone who knows nothing about hashfast what the best hashfast miner to put money in RIGHT NOW, what would you suggest?  At what website?  And in the future?

i feel just as ashamed and terrible as all the KNC Warriors  Tongue

i thought i had left this thread?  but since you asked:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg3332044#msg3332044
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October 13, 2013, 09:24:12 PM
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KNC are shit hot Engineers (but engineers should not run companies) , there reputation as a company is what people will remember, how they treated their customers is what people will remember.

the 2 principals of KNC are not engineers.  they are businessmen.

which is why i went with HF.  Simon is a brilliant engineer along with his team of at least 4 asic engineers and now more.  i've lost track of the actual number.

Your hijacking this thread to tout hashfast is terrible and you should be ashamed.  That said, but, if you were to suggest to someone who knows nothing about hashfast what the best hashfast miner to put money in RIGHT NOW, what would you suggest?  At what website?  And in the future?

i feel just as ashamed and terrible as all the KNC Warriors  Tongue

i thought i had left this thread?  but since you asked:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg3332044#msg3332044

continue trolling - that is your way to hero member ... )

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