Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[user27]

Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?

There had better not be! They have to leave a month after batch one don't they?

Either that or send me $3,000 right about now.

[butjust41day]

Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?

There had better not be! They have to leave a month after batch one don't they?

Either that or send me $3,000 right about now.

Well since the bonus Neptunes ship after batch two you either want to wait an extra month to double your hash rate or picked a Titan. Personally I want all the batch two to ship immediately so I can double my hash rate. It's not like the second batch is going to have a large impact on difficulty. At least not relative to double the hash rate.

I'm amazed by the people who want to wait longer for the bonus just so another group of people can be screwed a little longer. The Neptune is late for everyone.

[poodle63]

Its depends how you feel and how you think, some people are helping and some people are likely harmful, So just seeking help desk from KNC or other miner makers for technical help and update, security and safer for supplier and buyer.

I never buy any thing with out vendor approve, never soldering and wiring my new device with out vendor approve to avoid broken warranty, even it's only got 90 days, 90 days is not a problem, problem is broken warranty.

 

[aasl]

it seems that currently batch 1 is still "in progress"  http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/47413-neptune-shipment-progress-confirmation-thread/

probably second neptune will be shipped next year.

[lemonte]

it seems that currently batch 1 is still "in progress"  http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/47413-neptune-shipment-progress-confirmation-thread/

probably second neptune will be shipped next year.

[Searing]

it seems that currently batch 1 is still "in progress"  http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/47413-neptune-shipment-progress-confirmation-thread/

probably second neptune will be shipped next year.

er what supposedly is the timeline between batches 4 weeks? ... between batch 1 and batch 2 or has that ship sailed and they simply will ship the 2nd batch
asap

I've no dog in this fight don't have a Neptune...but curious because I do have a KNC Titan and they have the same batch arrangement


*just mentally preparing myself for the old....oops we ship'd em all at the same time post on my eventual Titan.....don't ya know*

Thanks hopefully they at least still have SOME gap between batches..you'd think right?

Searing

[Meizirkki]

"I believe"

The perfect choice of words right there.

[user27]

Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?

There had better not be! They have to leave a month after batch one don't they?

Either that or send me $3,000 right about now.

Well since the bonus Neptunes ship after batch two you either want to wait an extra month to double your hash rate or picked a Titan. Personally I want all the batch two to ship immediately so I can double my hash rate. It's not like the second batch is going to have a large impact on difficulty. At least not relative to double the hash rate.

I'm amazed by the people who want to wait longer for the bonus just so another group of people can be screwed a little longer. The Neptune is late for everyone.

Even by their twisted interpretation of the wording KfC still delivered all of batch one ($13k) late without offering free hashing as promised; some of them have been very late. If KfC now tag batch two right on the end of batch one it effectively punishes batch one customers (to the tune of $3,000) for having a little faith in KnC and ordering Neptune as soon as they were open to the public.

It's just not right. I would be very happy for batch two and batch three to ship this week but KnC need to acknowledge that they were late and as such they need to lump all the batches together in one big batch for continuous shipping. Now that all the batches have become one big late batch they need to sort out compensation for the people who paid more. How can they justify the last guy in batch one not paying the same as the first guy in batch two?

I could understand if the last guy in batch one got $3,000 refund and everybody else got it pro-rata; so where "n=umber of days between delivery and start of batch two" it would be $3,000 - (0.1BTC * n) refunded to each batch one customer. That wouldn't provide any incentive for being in an earlier batch but at least the faithful wouldn't be worse off.

u27

[noodle73]

It's not really helped by everyone having a different definition for batch 1,2,3, 0, CA, etc, etc, etc,
I stopped getting wound up about it after mine arrived to be honest.
When the bonus comes, it comes and a very welcome bonus it will be.

[Searing]

Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?

There had better not be! They have to leave a month after batch one don't they?

Either that or send me $3,000 right about now.

Well since the bonus Neptunes ship after batch two you either want to wait an extra month to double your hash rate or picked a Titan. Personally I want all the batch two to ship immediately so I can double my hash rate. It's not like the second batch is going to have a large impact on difficulty. At least not relative to double the hash rate.

I'm amazed by the people who want to wait longer for the bonus just so another group of people can be screwed a little longer. The Neptune is late for everyone.

Even by their twisted interpretation of the wording KfC still delivered all of batch one ($13k) late without offering free hashing as promised; some of them have been very late. If KfC now tag batch two right on the end of batch one it effectively punishes batch one customers (to the tune of $3,000) for having a little faith in KnC and ordering Neptune as soon as they were open to the public.

It's just not right. I would be very happy for batch two and batch three to ship this week but KnC need to acknowledge that they were late and as such they need to lump all the batches together in one big batch for continuous shipping. Now that all the batches have become one big late batch they need to sort out compensation for the people who paid more. How can they justify the last guy in batch one not paying the same as the first guy in batch two?

I could understand if the last guy in batch one got $3,000 refund and everybody else got it pro-rata; so where "n=umber of days between delivery and start of batch two" it would be $3,000 - (0.1BTC * n) refunded to each batch one customer. That wouldn't provide any incentive for being in an earlier batch but at least the faithful wouldn't be worse off.

u27

IMHO they will maybe have a week break....start up the process of getting out batch 2 then with the excuse of they are behind schedule...not offer compensation to batch one neptune types and claim that that week or so is enough lead time with shipping to the batch 2 customers to make up the $$$ up in the 1st batch folk are 'early' or some such

You have to realize KNC (even if they were more legit then they are now) has NO incentive to do anything for the customer..they have already announced the Titan is likely the last 'consumer product' to us the unwashed masses so to speak..and NO refunds on anything anymore and ONLY a 90 day warrenty and the fact that us pesky consumers are mucking up the difficulty for their plans on world class LARGE data halls etc

They have many reasons to go the selfish route and few if any imho to do anything to compensate anybody for anything miner wise...I mean they are mining...anything they
do to help us...hurts them (or so I think the logic is)

Searing

[crashoveride54902]

Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?

There had better not be! They have to leave a month after batch one don't they?

Either that or send me $3,000 right about now.

Well since the bonus Neptunes ship after batch two you either want to wait an extra month to double your hash rate or picked a Titan. Personally I want all the batch two to ship immediately so I can double my hash rate. It's not like the second batch is going to have a large impact on difficulty. At least not relative to double the hash rate.

I'm amazed by the people who want to wait longer for the bonus just so another group of people can be screwed a little longer. The Neptune is late for everyone.

Even by their twisted interpretation of the wording KfC still delivered all of batch one ($13k) late without offering free hashing as promised; some of them have been very late. If KfC now tag batch two right on the end of batch one it effectively punishes batch one customers (to the tune of $3,000) for having a little faith in KnC and ordering Neptune as soon as they were open to the public.

It's just not right. I would be very happy for batch two and batch three to ship this week but KnC need to acknowledge that they were late and as such they need to lump all the batches together in one big batch for continuous shipping. Now that all the batches have become one big late batch they need to sort out compensation for the people who paid more. How can they justify the last guy in batch one not paying the same as the first guy in batch two?

I could understand if the last guy in batch one got $3,000 refund and everybody else got it pro-rata; so where "n=umber of days between delivery and start of batch two" it would be $3,000 - (0.1BTC * n) refunded to each batch one customer. That wouldn't provide any incentive for being in an earlier batch but at least the faithful wouldn't be worse off.

u27

IMHO they will maybe have a week break....start up the process of getting out batch 2 then with the excuse of they are behind schedule...not offer compensation to batch one neptune types and claim that that week or so is enough lead time with shipping to the batch 2 customers to make up the $$$ up in the 1st batch folk are 'early' or some such

You have to realize KNC (even if they were more legit then they are now) has NO incentive to do anything for the customer..they have already announced the Titan is likely the last 'consumer product' to us the unwashed masses so to speak..and NO refunds on anything anymore and ONLY a 90 day warrenty and the fact that us pesky consumers are mucking up the difficulty for their plans on world class LARGE data halls etc

They have many reasons to go the selfish route and few if any imho to do anything to compensate anybody for anything miner wise...I mean they are mining...anything they
do to help us...hurts them (or so I think the logic is)

Searing

+1 couldn't have said it better myself

[butjust41day]

Even by their twisted interpretation of the wording KfC still delivered all of batch one ($13k) late without offering free hashing as promised; some of them have been very late. If KfC now tag batch two right on the end of batch one it effectively punishes batch one customers (to the tune of $3,000) for having a little faith in KnC and ordering Neptune as soon as they were open to the public.

It's just not right. I would be very happy for batch two and batch three to ship this week but KnC need to acknowledge that they were late and as such they need to lump all the batches together in one big batch for continuous shipping. Now that all the batches have become one big late batch they need to sort out compensation for the people who paid more. How can they justify the last guy in batch one not paying the same as the first guy in batch two?

I could understand if the last guy in batch one got $3,000 refund and everybody else got it pro-rata; so where "n=umber of days between delivery and start of batch two" it would be $3,000 - (0.1BTC * n) refunded to each batch one customer. That wouldn't provide any incentive for being in an earlier batch but at least the faithful wouldn't be worse off.

u27

I agree with you a refund for those batch one customers of some sort is in order. I just hope KNC doesn't hold off a month thereby screwing the batch two customers. And by default screwing every customer who is waiting for their bonus miner.

[user27]

+1 couldn't have said it better myself

Yes, they will likely rip us off, but that doesn't make it ok.

[crashoveride54902]

+1 couldn't have said it better myself

Yes, they will likely rip us off, but that doesn't make it ok.

I know but what can ya do except vent in this thread? Kfc has all the power and nothing can be done legally to make them do anything they don't wanna do...So I guess vent away

[btc_uzr]

+1 couldn't have said it better myself

Yes, they will likely rip us off, but that doesn't make it ok.

I know but what can ya do except vent in this thread? Kfc has all the power and nothing can be done legally to make them do anything they don't wanna do...So I guess vent away

I do not concurr, you have rights!
And to be excat, consumer rights and not Bullshit-2-Bullshit (B2B) rights.

AFox, did you file in Sweden? How long did the whole process take?

I hired a lawyer in my country (France) specialized in European law.
It took two weeks.

I don't know how the lawyer did it.
He just asked for the invoice from KNC, my IBAN (account informations) and my identity card.

The interesting thing, is that I paid in BTC, but KNC issued me an invoice in USD and paid me back by bank transfer in USD.

[The Avenger]

I do not concurr, you have rights!
And to be excat, consumer rights and not Bullshit-2-Bullshit (B2B) rights.

AFox, did you file in Sweden? How long did the whole process take?

I hired a lawyer in my country (France) specialized in European law.
It took two weeks.

I don't know how the lawyer did it.
He just asked for the invoice from KNC, my IBAN (account informations) and my identity card.

The interesting thing, is that I paid in BTC, but KNC issued me an invoice in USD and paid me back by bank transfer in USD.

Exactly, people do have rights. This is an example of someone using the law to deal with knc and winning. I suggested people get together a week ago and use the same process to get refunds:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg8099076;topicseen#msg8099076

But did anyone do this? I didn't see anyone post or discuss it.

Shame really.

If 10 people got together, it would cost next to nothing and people could get their refunds.

Whatever it is about bitcoin mining or computer geeks - I guess the people who don't take action think bitcoin is somehow criminal - they just hide and do nothing. You really don't have to lube up and take it up the butt if you don't want to - you can actually do something about it. And you might actually feel good if you don't let assholes like knc push you around.

[crashoveride54902]

I do not concurr, you have rights!
And to be excat, consumer rights and not Bullshit-2-Bullshit (B2B) rights.

AFox, did you file in Sweden? How long did the whole process take?

I hired a lawyer in my country (France) specialized in European law.
It took two weeks.

I don't know how the lawyer did it.
He just asked for the invoice from KNC, my IBAN (account informations) and my identity card.

The interesting thing, is that I paid in BTC, but KNC issued me an invoice in USD and paid me back by bank transfer in USD.

Exactly, people do have rights. This is an example of someone using the law to deal with knc and winning. I suggested people get together a week ago and use the same process to get refunds:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg8099076;topicseen#msg8099076

But did anyone do this? I didn't see anyone post or discuss it.

Shame really.

If 10 people got together, it would cost next to nothing and people could get their refunds.

Whatever it is about bitcoin mining or computer geeks - I guess the people who don't take action think bitcoin is somehow criminal - they just hide and do nothing. You really don't have to lube up and take it up the butt if you don't want to - you can actually do something about it. And you might actually feel good if you don't let assholes like knc push you around.

Ya I saw that post when it came out on here....oooo one person got justice...what about the rest of the thousands?

[user27]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg8099076;topicseen#msg8099076

Ya I saw that post when it came out on here....oooo one person got justice...what about the rest of the thousands?

A few people asked him for contact details and none were forthcoming.

[RobFordWotWot]

So by the time KNC ships their remaining product ROI is going to take somewhere in the neighborhood of 120-150 days: possibly much more.

[Biffa]

If knc dont refund neptune buyers then surely they should be investigated by a company trading authority,they just dont seem remotely care from what i have been reading...

But they do refund Neptune buyers, if you requested a refund before they started manufacturing and shipping. You just gotta keep emailing them takes a few months but they do eventually refund.