[DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated

[sidhujag]

Unthinkingbit

What do we need to do to get Devcoin running properly? Even if devcoin being dumped from the exchange could be a scam, memory problems and inefficiencies in the code need to be worked out.

What is the purpose behind Devcoin and what is the code meant to do? Can we streamline the code so that it is easier to program for?

Since you are the founder we definitely need you to guide our efforts from your point of view.

From what I understand this is my take feel free to correct me as it may help my undertanding.

Devcoin is bitcoin with 1000x more coins per block. To that effect every detail regarding payment be it generation or spam advertising etc is 1000x more than btc.

It is merge mined with btc so theres some code to set this up as a primary and secondary beneficiary type while mining.

The allocation of coins differs from btc in that 90% goes to each person on the reciever
list read from a file from a known place on the web using libcurl utility code. The other 10% to go administrators I dont know from a list or if this is a manual process through a single wallet.

Anything else? Conceptually seems easy but
not sure in practice how complicated the small changes are.

[Barnacle_Ed]

From what I understand this is my take feel free to correct me as it may help my undertanding.

Devcoin is bitcoin with 1000x more coins per block. To that effect every detail regarding payment be it generation or spam advertising etc is 1000x more than btc.

It is merge mined with btc so theres some code to set this up as a primary and secondary beneficiary type while mining.

The allocation of coins differs from btc in that 90% goes to each person on the reciever
list read from a file from a known place on the web using libcurl utility code. The other 10% to go administrators I dont know from a list or if this is a manual process through a single wallet.

Anything else? Conceptually seems easy but
not sure in practice how complicated the small changes are.

Basically correct. The noteworthy parts are 1000x more coins per block, merge-mined with BTC, and the majority of rewards go to developers. I'm afraid I can't comment on how difficult these changes were to implement or on the technical debt in the codebase since I haven't looked at the source myself.


On what should be done to improve DVC on the whole: I've said it many times in the past, but we desperately need more DVC services. Other than a few gambling games, FuzzyBear's "computer parts for dvc" business, and just trading the coins away for other cryptos, I honestly can't think of much to spend DVC on...not sure if this is from poor advertising, me being out-of-touch with the community in recent months, or a combination of the above. But it's insane to pray for a price increase without the support needed to make this currency viable.

[sidhujag]

From what I understand this is my take feel free to correct me as it may help my undertanding.

Devcoin is bitcoin with 1000x more coins per block. To that effect every detail regarding payment be it generation or spam advertising etc is 1000x more than btc.

It is merge mined with btc so theres some code to set this up as a primary and secondary beneficiary type while mining.

The allocation of coins differs from btc in that 90% goes to each person on the reciever
list read from a file from a known place on the web using libcurl utility code. The other 10% to go administrators I dont know from a list or if this is a manual process through a single wallet.

Anything else? Conceptually seems easy but
not sure in practice how complicated the small changes are.

Basically correct. The noteworthy parts are 1000x more coins per block, merge-mined with BTC, and the majority of rewards go to developers. I'm afraid I can't comment on how difficult these changes were to implement or on the technical debt in the codebase since I haven't looked at the source myself.


On what should be done to improve DVC on the whole: I've said it many times in the past, but we desperately need more DVC services. Other than a few gambling games, FuzzyBear's "computer parts for dvc" business, and just trading the coins away for other cryptos, I honestly can't think of much to spend DVC on...not sure if this is from poor advertising, me being out-of-touch with the community in recent months, or a combination of the above. But it's insane to pray for a price increase without the support needed to make this currency viable.

Services are growing as payment systems accepting many alts including dvc are in place.. I have no doubt that will come aslong as we have it listed on some higher volume exhcnages ppl will see the credability and accept it as a form of payment. I also think price wont price slowly like its falling it will rise voilently based on the structure of the project. First step is to ensure code is good and exhcnages are in place.

[best_btc]

"I also think price wont price slowly like its falling it will rise voilently based on the structure of the project. First step is to ensure code is good and exhcnages are in place."

exactly, when it rises, it will be violent! what a glorious day that will be.. mcxnow, stick around!

[jdbtracker]

 I was thinking that we need more movement of Devcoin; It is a token currency people who believe in what it represents will accept it for what it is: A Token Currency that promotes Engineering, arts and expression.  This is the purpose of Devcoin; To give people from around the world a chance to buy these tokens or accept them for development to flourish worldwide.

 In an ideal world every artist, engineer and writer would have a Devcoin account, every purchase of Devcoins goes to support self expression and innovation within society, everyone wins. If we found a way to give that capability to everyone, but for now we are the source of all this change, every one of us that has Devcoins needs to spread it to other artists, writers and engineers by tipping people for their good work, This diffusion of developers will increase the number of people who know about Devcoin who want to contribute to the project while at the same time with the increased awareness increased price of Devcoins.

The more people we have thinking about Devcoins, Devtome the more minds we have to expand the concept of Devcoin.

This is such an amazing project! Where else do you get to invest in the arts? without a giant organization dictating where that money goes or a board of directors twiddling their thumbs, this is new, wow! a self organizing project that effectively distributes all proceeds fairly to those who truly are promoting arts and development. All we have to do is promote.

So what is our goal?

IMO: get a Devcoin address to every artist, writer, engineer, sculptor on earth to further promote Development of all those creative projects we love.
        Make it easier for people to submit their work for consideration, tag them on their website with a plug-in, make it easy to simply send finished work to be evaluated.
        Allow more people to proof read, see the works for submission to increase submission volume effectively.

By the way, how are people chosen to become part of the Devcoin shares list? It would be helpful to get more people signed up or who have different projects they would like to be part of the Devcoin community, ie complementary websites to Devtome.

[smeagol]

Markm, don't you have a fork or something on your github which we could start from?

[sidhujag]

Markm, don't you have a fork or something on your github which we could start from?

I think all of the issues were fixed in later bitcoin builds so I0coin has all the fixes and is closest to our code base minus reciever file operation and admin pay allocation.

[Unthinkingbit]

The round 28 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_28.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_28.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_28.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_28.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_28.csv
http://d.evco.in/receiver/receiver_28.csv
http://show-me-the-devcoin.info/devtome/receiver_28.csv
http://coinfaucets.tk/receiver_28.csv
http://creativecurrencies.cu.cc/wp-content/uploads/receiver_28.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_28.csv

There were 612 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 612 = 294,118 dvc. Administrator pay is 79.0 shares, 12.9 percent of the total. The value at vircurex is 0.36 mcbtc/dvc, which works out to 0.106 btc. This times the bitstamp price of 140$ gives a share price of 15$.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 28, starting at block 112,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

The next bounties will go into round 29:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_29.csv

[smeagol]

The round 28 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_28.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_28.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_28.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_28.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_28.csv
http://d.evco.in/receiver/receiver_28.csv
http://show-me-the-devcoin.info/devtome/receiver_28.csv
http://coinfaucets.tk/receiver_28.csv
http://creativecurrencies.cu.cc/wp-content/uploads/receiver_28.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_28.csv

There were 612 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 612 = 294,118 dvc. Administrator pay is 79.0 shares, 12.9 percent of the total. The value at vircurex is 0.36 mcbtc/dvc, which works out to 0.106 btc. This times the bitstamp price of 140$ gives a share price of 15$.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 28, starting at block 112,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

The next bounties will go into round 29:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_29.csv

I am supposed to be a file administrator, what am I supposed to do, exactly?

[wiser]

Looks like I'm going to be helping out with categorizing articles.  I get how to put the main category on.  What about the subcategories?

Also, once you assign a category, do you then take the article off the front page?

Can one of the more experienced category admins please give me the crash course before I get in too deep?

Thanks!

[Unthinkingbit]

..
I am supposed to be a file administrator, what am I supposed to do, exactly?

For now you're on standby, because file administrators are brought on in pairs, so that there are always an odd number. If we get a reliable 11th file admin, then I'd message you to upload the receiver file.

[weisoq]

Looks like I'm going to be helping out with categorizing articles.  I get how to put the main category on.  What about the subcategories?

Also, once you assign a category, do you then take the article off the front page?

Can one of the more experienced category admins please give me the crash course before I get in too deep?

Thanks!

It's subjective, although I tried to stick with broad 'Open Directory Project' categorisations as stated on the top of the page here: http://devtome.com/doku.php

I typed out some info on trying to get writers to help out by each filing their own work, which may help with things: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg2471894#msg2471894

In summary, I tried to keep the front page categories general (except those related to devcoin and cryptos in particular - where it seemed to make more sense to add more granularity) and then narrow down subcategories, although the process is much the same. It doesn't really matter exactly how it's done so long as there's some logic (and you'll find quite a lot of overlap with some articles - that may mean they're categorised as 'History' and 'Economics' for example.

And try to create categories as [[category:topic]] rather than [[topic]]. This means (1) there's no risk of any clash with an actual individual article title and (2) if/when auto categorisation is added the system will be able to do much of the work for us. Just ask me if you have any questions.

I spent quite a while doing categorisations but haven't for a while. Since the login problems I no longer have admin access, but if unthinkingbit or anybody else can restore that I'll give you a hand with it when I can - as basically I wanted to see some interest by others in getting involved before continuing.
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And as a reminder: Would be a great help, a lot quicker and to everyone's benefit if each author could have a run through just their own articles and file them appropriately (example of how to do so in the link above), or at minimum add a category link at the bottom of your article to make the process easier - otherwise pretty much involves reading each post which slows down filing which impacts likely page views and cuts your relative payout.

[ranlo]

Looks like I'm going to be helping out with categorizing articles.  I get how to put the main category on.  What about the subcategories?

Also, once you assign a category, do you then take the article off the front page?

Can one of the more experienced category admins please give me the crash course before I get in too deep?

Thanks!

It's subjective, although I tried to stick with broad 'Open Directory Project' categorisations as stated on the top of the page here: http://devtome.com/doku.php

I typed out some info on trying to get writers to help out by each filing their own work, which may help with things: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg2471894#msg2471894

In summary, I tried to keep the front page categories general (except those related to devcoin and cryptos in particular - where it seemed to make more sense to add more granularity) and then narrow down subcategories, although the process is much the same. It doesn't really matter exactly how it's done so long as there's some logic (and you'll find quite a lot of overlap with some articles - that may mean they're categorised as 'History' and 'Economics' for example.

And try to create categories as [[[category:topic]] rather than [[topic]]. This means (1) there's no risk of any clash with an actual individual article title and (2) if/when auto categorisation is added the system will be able to do much of the work for us. Just ask me if you have any questions.

I spent quite a while doing categorisations but haven't for a while. Since the login problems I no longer have admin access, but if unthinkingbit or anybody else can restore that I'll give you a hand with it when I can - as basically I wanted to see some interest by others in getting involved before continuing.
-----------
And as a reminder: Would be a great help, a lot quicker and to everyone's benefit if each author could have a run through just their own articles and file them appropriately (example of how to do so in the link above), or at minimum add a category link at the bottom of your article to make the process easier - otherwise pretty much involves reading each post which slows down filing which impacts likely page views and cuts your relative payout.

You should have admin access now.

[weisoq]

Looks like I'm going to be helping out with categorizing articles...

Thanks!

Ok. How about you work on 'Most Recent' and I'll go through 'Soon to be Categorized and Removed from Start Page'?
It will take a while - probably longer than you think - new articles will be added to your shorter list but that one is perpetual with new additions.

[wiser]

OK, I'll plan on that, but it will be mostly next week.  Need to get a part replaced on my computer this week so I'll be out of commission for a couple days.

So, just to be clear... I'm assigning general categories, but not trying to get any more specific than that, correct?

Also, once I assign one general category (or more if warranted), do I then remove it from the front page by simply deleting it on the edit screen?

Finally, I apologize for not adding you back as an admin originally.  I knew better, but was in the "users, writers" mode and left it at that.  Glad ranlo fixed that

Looks like I'm going to be helping out with categorizing articles...

Thanks!

Ok. How about you work on 'Most Recent' and I'll go through 'Soon to be Categorized and Removed from Start Page'?
It will take a while - probably longer than you think - new articles will be added to your shorter list but that one is perpetual with new additions.

[smeagol]

Looks like I'm going to be helping out with categorizing articles.  I get how to put the main category on.  What about the subcategories?

Also, once you assign a category, do you then take the article off the front page?

Can one of the more experienced category admins please give me the crash course before I get in too deep?

Thanks!

It's subjective, although I tried to stick with broad 'Open Directory Project' categorisations as stated on the top of the page here: http://devtome.com/doku.php

I typed out some info on trying to get writers to help out by each filing their own work, which may help with things: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg2471894#msg2471894

In summary, I tried to keep the front page categories general (except those related to devcoin and cryptos in particular - where it seemed to make more sense to add more granularity) and then narrow down subcategories, although the process is much the same. It doesn't really matter exactly how it's done so long as there's some logic (and you'll find quite a lot of overlap with some articles - that may mean they're categorised as 'History' and 'Economics' for example.

And try to create categories as [[[category:topic]] rather than [[topic]]. This means (1) there's no risk of any clash with an actual individual article title and (2) if/when auto categorisation is added the system will be able to do much of the work for us. Just ask me if you have any questions.

I spent quite a while doing categorisations but haven't for a while. Since the login problems I no longer have admin access, but if unthinkingbit or anybody else can restore that I'll give you a hand with it when I can - as basically I wanted to see some interest by others in getting involved before continuing.
-----------
And as a reminder: Would be a great help, a lot quicker and to everyone's benefit if each author could have a run through just their own articles and file them appropriately (example of how to do so in the link above), or at minimum add a category link at the bottom of your article to make the process easier - otherwise pretty much involves reading each post which slows down filing which impacts likely page views and cuts your relative payout.

You should have admin access now.

I still am classified as a regular user, am I supposed to have admin access?

[wiser]

I still am classified as a regular user, am I supposed to have admin access?

Were you an admin before?  What was your role?

[Barnacle_Ed]

Services are growing as payment systems accepting many alts including dvc are in place.. I have no doubt that will come aslong as we have it listed on some higher volume exhcnages ppl will see the credability and accept it as a form of payment. I also think price wont price slowly like its falling it will rise voilently based on the structure of the project. First step is to ensure code is good and exhcnages are in place.

I disagree, to an extent, about the exchanges and code structure. There are a fair number of exchanges that accept DVC already (such as Vircurex). Having a nice codebase is always an advantage, but I highly doubt that this contributed much to the meteoric rise of Bitcoin; the code snippets I've seen from that fork weren't pretty by any means.

Of course, more exchanges are always nice since it promotes a competitive marketplace. And I somewhat agree on more altcoin-based payment systems...but that means users don't necessarily need to use DVC for purchases and can use whatever other alts they please.

[Unthinkingbit]

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I still am classified as a regular user, am I supposed to have admin access?

Admin access is given according to need, only the sign up admins really need it because it's primary use is to make new accounts.

[sidhujag]

Services are growing as payment systems accepting many alts including dvc are in place.. I have no doubt that will come aslong as we have it listed on some higher volume exhcnages ppl will see the credability and accept it as a form of payment. I also think price wont price slowly like its falling it will rise voilently based on the structure of the project. First step is to ensure code is good and exhcnages are in place.

I disagree, to an extent, about the exchanges and code structure. There are a fair number of exchanges that accept DVC already (such as Vircurex). Having a nice codebase is always an advantage, but I highly doubt that this contributed much to the meteoric rise of Bitcoin; the code snippets I've seen from that fork weren't pretty by any means.

Of course, more exchanges are always nice since it promotes a competitive marketplace. And I somewhat agree on more altcoin-based payment systems...but that means users don't necessarily need to use DVC for purchases and can use whatever other alts they please.

Well what I meant was that if we were on a high volume exchange the chance of a sustaining pump would come about as a higher chance than just on vircurex. Once that happens the market cap can be utilized to offer bigger bounties which in turn would help the project much more and drive price a little higher, allowing other bounties to be offered etc etc an exponential cycle ensues until an equilibrium is found again... thats what I meant by the project structure not code structure per say. It's a unique idea that either lifts off or withers away like it is doing now.

Bounties wouldn't be the only contributor but awareness rising would drive more vendors and more open source communities to get involved, adding to the velocity of money which is a good gauge of price.