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October 01, 2018, 01:52:23 PM
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Second week of "new era"

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So as predicted, the hype was only for a short time. Settles back to around 6000. Now I can start giving merit again, things are more settled.

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October 01, 2018, 03:33:52 PM
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Second week of "new era"


Can you spend your time to collect a statistic on how many demoted Junior Members have been back to this rank last two weeks?
If you can have the statistic, it will make a lot of sense because it might explain why merit distribution rocketed last week.
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October 01, 2018, 03:47:47 PM
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If you can have the statistic, it will make a lot of sense because it might explain why merit distribution rocketed last week.

If I remember correctly till last week we got around 200.000 users accounts/multiaccounts demoted and around 2000 users ranked up again,

Last week transactions can be found here on my file
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R3dE2huMLqjvC1JpFUimRvXvktBxjD-Sgqw61S5oYhk/edit?usp=sharing

More datas on  DdmrDdmr  file here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KmBvi21XZn6Oxh8c6Vsuax6wxSAhsQWsAzDYfsYOU2E/edit#gid=0

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October 01, 2018, 04:30:39 PM
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The great part of this spike was caused by those who needed to bring back to jr their alts i'm afraid. Let's see what is happening friday, we may be up for another dive.
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October 01, 2018, 05:38:30 PM
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One of the most problem why people can't get merits it his own laziness. Don't strive reading interesting information about crypto currency world. But create many theat : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really won't want to receive merit , you shouldn't think about it and just be useful and friendly for another members. 

Mate don't quote my last messages https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg46244479#msg46244479 If you have own opinion please write.
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If I remember correctly till last week we got around 200.000 users accounts/multiaccounts demoted and around 2000 users ranked up again,
It is reasonable figures, which obviously explain why there were 3342 more merits distributed last week than the previous one, from 3580 to 6922.
- 2000 merits proportionally allocated to help demoted Juniors rank up
- > 1.5k merits allocated to other ranks, rather than Newbies.
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I think it would be better to have a KYC system to open a new account.Then you can not make spamming account. I think this is good comment for the site.

I would like to comment on this post in a detailed manner as follows;

First-of-all, KYC stands for Know Your Customer / Know Your Client

Are we a Customer of this Forum or a Community User of this Forum ?
(I believe we are indeed a User, not a Customer)

Next, KYC is the process of a Business / Bank etc. to verify the identity of it's Customer / Client..
Do you think BitcoinTalk.org is a Registered Business / Company over here, something like BitcoinTalk Private Limited ?

This website was created with love by the creator of this website for all users like us, so that we could interact with each other and grow-up here like a family..
It indeed succeeded as well, as this is the only best Active Forum that i have found online till date, since i have joined here..

Apart from that, the Website Owner would never have an intention to grab the personal data of the users of this website and verify them one-by-one manually and process it daily..
It's not only that it would be hurting the feelings & privacy of a user, but also it means that the Staff at BitcoinTalk are also human beings, they can't spend their entire life verifying each users over here manually everyday..
Even if i take the least count as 100 user register per day at this site, still that would be a hectic job for anyone..

The staff would rather prefer to spend their valuable time to focus on the Forum Contents & other relevant work instead of the Verification Process of all new users..

You see my point is, KYC is something not meant for a forum like this, at-least in my view..
It's indeed a bad idea to even think to deploy it, as long as privacy of a user is of a high concern..

If you have a feeling that KYC is going to reduce the spammers at this website, then it's indeed wrong..
It would rather be a Dream that would never come true..

For a spammer KYC won't be a big deal at all, he can simply grab the data of users from online websites and bypass this step easily..
Nowadays, there are many Sources/Ways to get leak data's of customers, i hope your already aware of the same..

On this forum people don't even use their Real Name to register their Account, majority users prefer to use a nickname, as that's what a forum is all about.
Over here, no-one needs to know "Who you are in real life".. we should only be concerned about "What knowledge do you have & What you can Share/Contribute/Bring to this Forum"

Your name, date of birth, family background, your monthly gross income or your religion doesn't matter over here..

Do you really think anyone would be willing to submit their ID Proof or something similar, just to get their account registered on a forum?


That being said, to decrease the Spamming, we could actually initiate some other steps other than KYC, which brings me straight to the second part of my post..

Mostly the high rank members (i.e. Legendary, Sr. Member, Hero Member) don't post anything trash over here, their post usually have some quality, that's what makes them Sr. Members of the Forum..
(I know there are few exceptions in High Rank Members who have a red mark on their profile and they do post trash sometimes, but that's just a few exceptional cases (minority) over here, we can ignore that for now.)

To target the majority, we already know that the primary cause of Spamming is usually by a Newbie or a Newly created account, they simply start to post links or junk contents of any XYZ site, for promotion or for some other Known/Unknown purpose..
(Please note that,t his doesn't count all Newbie and all Newly Created Users, there are still some good exceptional users out there)


So here it goes, to reduce this spam activity to some extent & to bring some enhancements into the forum, we should actually revise the Privileges for a Newbie as well as Newly Created Account / Brand New Account..

Off-course the newly deployed protocol of "Minimum 1 Merit to become a Jr. Member" is indeed a good one, however that won't reduce the spammers over here.. I mean it doesn't have a good impact over the Newly Registered Users as well as to some Newbie.

So according to me;
A Newly Created account should be modified with the following protocols,
1.) A newly created account cannot start a new topic for the first 30 Days or so. Let them browse through the forum, understand everything and get a good touch of it & decide if they want to continue here as per the Rules & Regulations, else simply EXIT.
2.) Newly created accounts cannot post more than 2 Times per day for the first 30 days. In short they can only post 2 times every day. I said it 2 post per day because, they will get 14 Activity per 14 days (if they stay active on the forum for 7 days at-least, which indirectly means that they will make 2 post per day).
3.) A newly created account cannot post a Link anywhere on the forum during these 30 days restriction period. A minimum of 28 Activity is must for every member to even have the authority to post a link.
(I won't mention anything about restriction of inserting image into the Topic/Post, as if posting links are already banned then it's quite natural that image can't be posted as well)
4.) A newly created account should not able able to post above a specified number of characters per post for the first 30 days, this will ensure that they don't copy-paste some trash from here and there.
5.) If a newbie violates the above rule and still post a link by using a trick by adding space to the link and posting it (For e.g. www. google . com), other members can report that post and get it removed by the Staff. Such post when moderated by the Staff should lead to a +1 warning to the Newbie/New Member, so that they don't repeat this mistake, if they still repeat it then their Account should be banned if they are reported again by any member.

The privilege of a Newbie Account should be modified with a new rule-set as follows,
1.) A Newbie User cannot post any Links on the Forum, unless he completes a minimum Activity of 28 on the Forum. This would be somewhat better to decrease the spam content at some extent because per 2 Week only 14 activity is counted, so it will take around 1 month for every newbie to post a link.
2.) A Newbie User should wait for a minimum spam of 30 days before he can start a New Topic. This is the idle time for the user to learn the flow of the forum and to make some good post than to start a topic first.
3.) A Newbie User can only start 1 Topic per day, unless he becomes a Jr. Member.
4.) A Newbie User can only post 5 times per day for the first 30 days.



The above suggestions may or may not be possible to implement, it may even take sometime as well, but this was just an idea i thought of, nothing else..  Smiley


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No offence against any Newbie or Newly Created Accounts or anyone else. My post is not to target or to hurt the feelings of any User. I am a believer that, every user was once a Newbie, no-one was born as a Legendary Member in this Forum. With time everything changes, hence my above post is purely an idea to show a Path/Way to fight against Spammers/Scammers, if possible. I am indeed aware about the fact that there are a good amount of people under Newbie or Brand New accounts whose intentions are not to spam the forum with nonsense post. Thank you for the understanding. God bless you all.

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October 01, 2018, 10:17:42 PM
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Hello, I've changed the graph with the explanation under it. Sorry for the drawback!

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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.
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October 01, 2018, 11:36:38 PM
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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

What is your opinion?  You believe that smerit should be spent as a charity towards lower ranking members, merely for existing? or to help lower ranked members to bounty hunt or join signature campaigns?

Also, if you believe that there should be some kind of guidance for who and how smerits should be given out, then where does that leave individual member's discretion about when and how to spend their smerits?  

Is there any value to individual member discretion over their own spendable merits?

Actually, if you read a bit more into this thread, including even the first page of this thread, if you attempt to understand the merit system and even some of the motivations for it, then you might be able to formulate your questions a bit better.  

At this point in time, your formulation of your question(s) is NOT very good and comes off as self-interested, "little informed" and seems to attempt to get answers to points that have already been made over and over in this very thread.

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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

What is your opinion?  You believe that smerit should be spent as a charity towards lower ranking members, merely for existing? or to help lower ranked members to bounty hunt or join signature campaigns?

Also, if you believe that there should be some kind of guidance for who and how smerits should be given out, then where does that leave individual member's discretion about when and how to spend their smerits?  

Is there any value to individual member discretion over their own spendable merits?

Actually, if you read a bit more into this thread, including even the first page of this thread, if you attempt to understand the merit system and even some of the motivations for it, then you might be able to formulate your questions a bit better.  

At this point in time, your formulation of your question(s) is NOT very good and comes off as self-interested, "little informed" and seems to attempt to get answers to points that have already been made over and over in this very thread.

Hello , thank you for your answer but i  didn't understand what you meant to say.  Me i joined bitcoin talk forum only after i knew about bounty camp and there were req just to post may be 20 25 words posts in a sig camp and i did only to fulfill the requirement for sig camp. and now when again it is mandatory to get merit i start to look after the topics about merit and it seems it is complicated thing and mostly when i see the posts i saw most cases the member who have very high rank are merited by other member. my opinion is why cannot we just stop signature camp in bitcoin talk ?  is this really necessary for the growth of bitcoin ? will sig camp help investors or startups ? is this step even thinkable or doable in order to control spams for bounty tokens ?
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October 02, 2018, 12:09:35 AM
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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

What is your opinion?  You believe that smerit should be spent as a charity towards lower ranking members, merely for existing? or to help lower ranked members to bounty hunt or join signature campaigns?

Also, if you believe that there should be some kind of guidance for who and how smerits should be given out, then where does that leave individual member's discretion about when and how to spend their smerits?  

Is there any value to individual member discretion over their own spendable merits?

Actually, if you read a bit more into this thread, including even the first page of this thread, if you attempt to understand the merit system and even some of the motivations for it, then you might be able to formulate your questions a bit better.  

At this point in time, your formulation of your question(s) is NOT very good and comes off as self-interested, "little informed" and seems to attempt to get answers to points that have already been made over and over in this very thread.

Hello , thank you for your answer but i  didn't understand what you meant to say.  Me i joined bitcoin talk forum only after i knew about bounty camp and there were req just to post may be 20 25 words posts in a sig camp and i did only to fulfill the requirement for sig camp. and now when again it is mandatory to get merit i start to look after the topics about merit and it seems it is complicated thing and mostly when i see the posts i saw most cases the member who have very high rank are merited by other member. my opinion is why cannot we just stop signature camp in bitcoin talk ?  is this really necessary for the growth of bitcoin ? will sig camp help investors or startups ? is this step even thinkable or doable in order to control spams for bounty tokens ?

You make little to no sense.

You want to participate in signature and bounty campaigns, but you want the forum to discontinue such practice(s).

Aren't you talking out of both sides of your mouth?

Regarding the understandability of my earlier responsive post, perhaps you should attempt to read it a few more times (and attempt to understand what I am saying therein), rather than spouting out a repetition of your earlier talking point(s) while ignoring nearly every single point that I made in my post.

You seem out of touch and unwilling to either understand the perspectives of other members or to interact with other members, which seems to be evident from your responsive (if we could call it "responsive") post to me, and even from your shitty post history.

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A Newly Created account should be modified with the following protocols,
1.) A newly created account cannot start a new topic for the first 30 Days or so. Let them browse through the forum, understand everything and get a good touch of it & decide if they want to continue here as per the Rules & Regulations, else simply EXIT.
2.) Newly created accounts cannot post more than 2 Times per day for the first 30 days. In short they can only post 2 times every day. I said it 2 post per day because, they will get 14 Activity per 14 days (if they stay active on the forum for 7 days at-least, which indirectly means that they will make 2 post per day).
3.) A newly created account cannot post a Link anywhere on the forum during these 30 days restriction period. A minimum of 28 Activity is must for every member to even have the authority to post a link.
I highly doubt theymos would impose more restrictions on real users. Many new users go to this forum to ask for help with something related to Bitcoin (be it wallets, transactions or lost keys). Those users should not be forced to wait 30 days before they can create a new topic.
Even worse: what you suggest only hurts real users, while it doesn't matter for spammers at all! A spammer can easily create thousands of accounts, wait 30 days, and start spamming. In fact, many of the new spambots I've seen use older accounts already.

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Your first post was a new topic including links Tongue With your suggestions, that wouldn't have been possible.

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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

As a newbie, I believe that these people just make a valuable contribution to our forum and receive a well-deserved encouragement in the form of merit.
Probably, we beginners need to read what the experienced forum participants write and analyze why they receive merit.
In each message that receives merit, there is a “key” on how to get merit. If we learn to see this “key” and begin to use this “key”, then we will also start receiving merit.

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A Newly Created account should be modified with the following protocols,
1.) A newly created account cannot start a new topic for the first 30 Days or so. Let them browse through the forum, understand everything and get a good touch of it & decide if they want to continue here as per the Rules & Regulations, else simply EXIT.
2.) Newly created accounts cannot post more than 2 Times per day for the first 30 days. In short they can only post 2 times every day. I said it 2 post per day because, they will get 14 Activity per 14 days (if they stay active on the forum for 7 days at-least, which indirectly means that they will make 2 post per day).
3.) A newly created account cannot post a Link anywhere on the forum during these 30 days restriction period. A minimum of 28 Activity is must for every member to even have the authority to post a link.

Alright, so i have divided your post into three parts, so that i can comment on your statements in a detailed manner, please find them below;

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I highly doubt theymos would impose more restrictions on real users. Many new users go to this forum to ask for help with something related to Bitcoin (be it wallets, transactions or lost keys). Those users should not be forced to wait 30 days before they can create a new topic.
Why can't they wait for 30 days period, is that too high? I don't think so.
This is where we define the term "Hit & Run users".
So are you one of the supporters of "Hit & Run users".
I mean, are you really supporting such users, who will just use the forum for their very own Benefit / Needs or just when they need something (some help) from us and then leave the forum?
I believe that the user should be here forever like a Friend or a Family to interact here, instead of just getting the help they need and runaway and never come back here.
If that's the case then, everyone simply create a new account every-time you need any help, ask for help and then vanish, this way we will start to loose good users and even our existing users may stop to bother the Topics where they can actually help out.

I have seen many good users in this forum who help others with detailed post and they expect nothing back in return (not even a Merit because some of them are Legendary members too).
Would that look good if the Newly Registered users will ask for help, someone will take your valuable time to respond back and that New User will simply vanish from the forum without even responding back or so?
I know people who help others are not expecting anything in return, but responding back to the helper would make him feel good, that his comment helped the user.

Just look at me too, i myself do the Selling at BitcoinTalk MarketPlace, however on the same side i even interact on the some Topics and post some comments where-ever i find something where i can post something as per my knowledge.
I am mostly active on the India sub-forum, as i am an India, so section that attracts me more.

Even in this Topic itself, where we are discussing now, i would have simply read it and ignored it, right? Did i?
That's called participation and contribution, you should have a look at the amount of registered members in this forum and count the users who have comment on this Topic, the math would be clear by then.

I have posted here 3 times in this Topic itself, as stated below,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg45866562#msg45866562
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg45841104#msg45841104

If i also start to think in a way like, i will just do the selling over here in the MarketPlace and will vanish when i'm done with it, then i would actually feel ashamed as well as guilty of myself, that i didn't contribute anything to a platform from where i earned some money.

Moreover i am also planning to do some contribution in terms of Donation to this forum at a later stage, because i really loved the way this forum is maintained by the Staff. It's really cool.

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Even worse: what you suggest only hurts real users, while it doesn't matter for spammers at all! A spammer can easily create thousands of accounts, wait 30 days, and start spamming. In fact, many of the new spambots I've seen use older accounts already.
I can't find anything on that suggestion that could hurt any real users, real users shouldn't have a problem with it.
Moreover, i said it clearly on my suggestions post itself, that it may decrease the spammer to some extent, i never said this is going to do something extra-ordinary over here.
There are more than 10 ways, you could have never imagined, for a spammer to bypass anything (any security mechanism or protocol) that we include here.
But, what we suggest is something closest that can give some positive Impact / Effect.
It's never a 100% result to every Suggestion or an Idea.
People who dream of 100% result on forums are the one's who always fail.
Always think to get the maximum positive impact than to dream of a 100% result or output with everything you do.
In-fact my favourite Google also can't do a 100% fight against Spammers.. Grin (Jokes apart)


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Your first post was a new topic including links Tongue With your suggestions, that wouldn't have been possible.

My suggestion says, 30 Days wait period and 28 Activity. It never says the Newly Registered users cannot start a post ever in their lifetime. I would have indeed waited for 30 Days and made 2 post per day or so to gain the Activity, come-on.

Also, i was never so much desperate to get the Sales done on Day 1 itself. I am still selling it today, that Topic was started on June 2018 and today we are on October 2018, did anything changed with time?

This is what i say, there is a difference between Good Users and Scammers/Spammers.
When your a Genuine Person, you don't need to worry about anything else.

During the time when i got myself registered here, my suggestions never existed, hence it's baseless to drag an old post to this conversation and comment on that. This is for the future and not for the past.
Off-course if i was still a a Newbie on 2nd October 2018, then this comment would have made some sense, but as of now it doesn't.

You can see that i travelled all the way from the Member Rank of Brand New to Jr. Member to Member with 34 Merits within a time-frame of 4 Months.

If i can do that, why can't others?
I am not god or something extra-ordinary over here, right?
Even i am a normal human being like you guys are.

Also, if i continue this way, the day won't be far away when i will be a Legendary Member like you too.
(I know that's called over confidence and too much to say as of now, i'm just kidding)

May-be you could read my suggestions once again and see how it fits here.

To conclude, that was just a suggestion & nothing personal to any member.
I have clearly stated it that it may or may not be Good / Possible. I knew some people may not agree with it, that's why i have attached a NOTE at the bottom of my post.

See it goes this way, it's easy to say negative about a suggestion posted by a member by simply finding loop holes in it, but it's quite difficult to give back a Valuable / Positive suggestion, if we ask for it.

Well, if you have a better idea or suggestion to counter it, then everyone else over here would love to hear that, so why not take a chance?
So i hereby ask you, do you have a better suggestion than what i have posted here, i would really appreciate it?  Tongue

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Last but not the least, if my above post of Suggestions looks like a trash to everyone, then i would highly recommend a Staff to Delete it right-away. It's quite simple, why to unnecessarily drag the conversation over here if that post means useless to everyone.

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October 02, 2018, 10:59:01 AM
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Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

As a newbie, I believe that these people just make a valuable contribution to our forum and receive a well-deserved encouragement in the form of merit.
Probably, we beginners need to read what the experienced forum participants write and analyze why they receive merit.
In each message that receives merit, there is a “key” on how to get merit. If we learn to see this “key” and begin to use this “key”, then we will also start receiving merit.
Those people who will objectively engage here for having merits, may get 1 or 2. He/she can never be high ranked. But if he/she focuses on real discussion= quality, merit will be one of the easiest thing to gain.
There is no "key" to get merit without the one I mentioned.

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I highly doubt theymos would impose more restrictions on real users. Many new users go to this forum to ask for help with something related to Bitcoin (be it wallets, transactions or lost keys). Those users should not be forced to wait 30 days before they can create a new topic.
Why can't they wait for 30 days period, is that too high? I don't think so.
This is where we define the term "Hit & Run users".
So are you one of the supporters of "Hit & Run users".
I mean, are you really supporting such users, who will just use the forum for their very own Benefit / Needs or just when they need something (some help) from us and then leave the forum?
You make it sound as if that's a bad thing. It's not, those are real users who use the forum as it's intended, even though it's only once. Those users are not part of the spam problem, and shouldn't be restricted.
I've made accounts on several (specialized) forums in the past. Some I still use, some I registered only to solve a specific problem, and I even once registered somewhere just to thank someone for the large amount of information he posted.
If I would have to wait 30 days before I can ask a question, I wouldn't have used any of those forums. But like I said, those users aren't the problem, and some of them come back again after a while.

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I believe that the user should be here forever like a Friend or a Family to interact here
Lol. This is Bitcointalk, and it stands for personal freedom. It's not a contract with the devil which captures your soul for eternity.
If I want to leave this forum today, nobody is going to stop me.

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Even worse: what you suggest only hurts real users, while it doesn't matter for spammers at all! A spammer can easily create thousands of accounts, wait 30 days, and start spamming. In fact, many of the new spambots I've seen use older accounts already.
I can't find anything on that suggestion that could hurt any real users, real users shouldn't have a problem with it.
I imagine myself being the one with a certain problem. I search the internet, and find a community with many experts. I join, and want to ask my question so that I can solve the problem at hand and continue with my project.
If that's not possible within 30 days, this forum dies. This is what theymos posted about it:
Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.

The low signal-to-noise is a real issue which seriously annoys me and is often on my mind. But as you mention, fixing it non-destructively is difficult.

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Your first post was a new topic including links Tongue With your suggestions, that wouldn't have been possible.
My suggestion says, 30 Days wait period and 28 Activity. It never says the Newly Registered users cannot start a post ever in their lifetime. I would have indeed waited for 30 Days and made 2 post per day or so to gain the Activity, come-on.
That would mean the average user spams 28 posts before he gets to ask what he wanted to ask in the first place.

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You can see that i travelled all the way from the Member Rank of Brand New to Jr. Member to Member with 34 Merits within a time-frame of 4 Months.
I saw that indeed. But I wouldn't consider this post to be worth 30 Merits. For reference, I've never received more than 11 Merits at once, in a total of 569 transactions.

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Thank you everyone for reading this. Have a great day ahead.
A few comments to (IMO) improve your forum participation:
1. There's no need to send me a PM after receiving Merit. I merited your post, that's it.
2. You type very long stories, which makes it slow to read.
3. You're overdoing bold font.
Do with this advice what you want Wink

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October 02, 2018, 06:56:22 PM
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LoyceV, what's wrong with you man..
Is everything alright?
Any issues going around with Friends, someone closer or anyone?
Don't mind me asking this, but i am really worried about you now..
You look so much frustrated over here..
Dragging a Suggestion to this Extent, i mean seriously?
I say it again, you should have read my NOTE in my first post, you wouldn't have said this all..


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I highly doubt theymos would impose more restrictions on real users. Many new users go to this forum to ask for help with something related to Bitcoin (be it wallets, transactions or lost keys). Those users should not be forced to wait 30 days before they can create a new topic.
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Why can't they wait for 30 days period, is that too high? I don't think so.
This is where we define the term "Hit & Run users".
So are you one of the supporters of "Hit & Run users".
I mean, are you really supporting such users, who will just use the forum for their very own Benefit / Needs or just when they need something (some help) from us and then leave the forum?
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You make it sound as if that's a bad thing. It's not, those are real users who use the forum as it's intended, even though it's only once. Those users are not part of the spam problem, and shouldn't be restricted.
I've made accounts on several (specialized) forums in the past. Some I still use, some I registered only to solve a specific problem, and I even once registered somewhere just to thank someone for the large amount of information he posted.
If I would have to wait 30 days before I can ask a question, I wouldn't have used any of those forums. But like I said, those users aren't the problem, and some of them come back again after a while.


Hit & Run users is not a bad thing, but it's something that's not correct..

If you don't feel it that way it's simply because you seem to be one of those who have atleast 5-6 alternate accounts over there, well who knows the truth.. it may be possible?
1 Legendary Account and other Jr. Member or some rank accounts?
Anyways, that's nothing i should be concerned about, nor i want to make any allegations over here based upon assumptions, i can't..
That's personal to you.. so just cut it..


Now coming back to the point, you should better understand the meaning of the term forum, before you even comment on it..

One of the online defination of Forum says that, a Forum is a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged..
Focus on the word EXCHANGED, it's not otherwise like a 24/7 "Answer your Queries - Service Provider"

However according to you, it seems like a Forum is a place where we can get our account registered only when we have a problem, then vanish..
Come back again when we have another problem and then go away..
Wow!!

Next, How can you be so sure that those users are not part of the Spam Problem, are you one of them? lol
Don't judge or comment something based on the grounds of assumptions..

Just because you are a Legendary Members here, some Members may indeed support you, you may also get some Merits or so responses, however i don't really care about it, as long as i know what i'm saying is the truth and a fact you can't deny, although you do it publicly over here..

Whatever you say here, is just your Point of View, it doesn't mean that's always correct..


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I believe that the user should be here forever like a Friend or a Family to interact here
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Lol. This is Bitcointalk, and it stands for personal freedom. It's not a contract with the devil which captures your soul for eternity.
If I want to leave this forum today, nobody is going to stop me.

Off-course i didn't said BitcoinTalk is a Jail or something, you better read my complete post and then comment, instead of just taking out a Snippet from it and acting smart..
If you got some personal problem with me, then you better say that clearly, no need to post a comment for every Comma or Dot that i make, when you don't understand the meaning behind that post..
If you lost your senses, i think..



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Even worse: what you suggest only hurts real users, while it doesn't matter for spammers at all! A spammer can easily create thousands of accounts, wait 30 days, and start spamming. In fact, many of the new spambots I've seen use older accounts already.
I can't find anything on that suggestion that could hurt any real users, real users shouldn't have a problem with it.
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I imagine myself being the one with a certain problem. I search the internet, and find a community with many experts. I join, and want to ask my question so that I can solve the problem at hand and continue with my project.
If that's not possible within 30 days, this forum dies.

Are you a God or something?
You mean to say, you will search for a problem and reach this Forum?
What exactly would you search that diverts you to this forum directly via. Google ?

Let's assume somehow you managed to reached this forum with your query..
You also joined the community and found on Day-1 itself that there are experts out there ?
You would take sometime go understand the forum, go through the various sections and then conclude this statement..

Also, if that's a common Problem / Issue that you searched for, the answer for that would already exist over here..
You just need to know, how to use the "Search Box"
If it doesn't exist, then you should have patience of sometime..
Don't take any forum as a Tech Expert service provider to give you instant solutions on Day 1 itself, if that would have exist then there was no need of people paying anything to anyone..
Freelancers wouldn't exist.. Premium support wouldn't exist..


A forum never dies that way dude, how many people do register and start a Topic to ask something related to a Project Work? I mean really?

Do not compare a Forum with something else..


Dear user, this is not a Livechat or a Ticketing System to answer your queries when you post them..
You help others, others will help you..
It's indeed a give and take policy..
Although the people who help others are not expecting anything in return, they do it for free with 0 Expectations.. as they love what they do, but then they atleast expect that you also help someone else with the knowledge you have, when the appropiate times arrives..

Forum is not a platform to get yourself registered when you need some help and then runaway..
Just feed that little thing on your mind, it will clear your concept about the forum..


If you don't have patience and want yourself to get served immediately on the forum, then you should better hire a developer, freelancer or a get premium support from some other websites, a forum is not the place to serve you everything only when you need them as per your protocols..



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Your first post was a new topic including links Tongue With your suggestions, that wouldn't have been possible.
My suggestion says, 30 Days wait period and 28 Activity. It never says the Newly Registered users cannot start a post ever in their lifetime. I would have indeed waited for 30 Days and made 2 post per day or so to gain the Activity, come-on.
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That would mean the average user spams 28 posts before he gets to ask what he wanted to ask in the first place.
That's the way a person who didn't read my Suggestion Post clearly would think.
The user would be restricted to post only 2 Post per day, so 2 post per day is too much Spam, really?

On the other hand, you won't even mind helping out the Staff to help them to fight against such Spam Post, right?
But i indeed do it always, since the time i joined here, so why can't you?
It doesn't take much time..
Whenever i report about a post, the Moderators took the action immediately, i have seen that myself..
I have reported more than 100 Post till date, they indeed handled it properly and have taken proper care of the same.
When we have active Staff on the Forum, where do you see the problem?
So if you (anyone user who saw the Spam Post first) found out that someone is spamming post, the user needs to use the Report to Moderator option and they will do the rest.
This way the Spammer User would never reach the target of 28 Activity, unless he makes Non-Spam post.

Every user in this forum is active at some of the Sections of this forum, if everyone does their part of contribution, then the forum would be spam free soon..
Off-course, this is not your cup of tea, as if you report about a post that won't give you the Showoff Performance or any kind of Publicity, which you usually expect from every post of yours in this forum..
So better not talk about it, when you can't be of any help to the forum to fight against Spammers.


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You can see that i travelled all the way from the Member Rank of Brand New to Jr. Member to Member with 34 Merits within a time-frame of 4 Months.
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I saw that indeed. But I wouldn't consider this post to be worth 30 Merits. For reference, I've never received more than 11 Merits at once, in a total of 569 transactions.
I can feel a smell of jealously over here. Just because you couldn't get more than 11 Merits for your post, you got pissed off with me. So this was the primary reason for you getting mad over me until now? Lol
Should have said this before itself.
What would you do with all these Merits? Convert it to Bitcoin or so?
Why do people like you run after Merits, just contribute on the forum and expect nothing in return, that's the simple rule.
The post where i received 30 Merit was found as worth for it at-least by 1 Member, so i don't care what you think about the Post. That post is something that i do for the Poor People over here to help them out, so this won't make any sense to a person like you, who got no feelings for others, nor any understandings in real life.
I am contributing a good amount of money to help the poor from my earnings every month, hence i don't need to prove anything to you on have a debate upon this, whether that post is worth 30 Merit or not.
But the Legendary Member that gave me 30 Merits, i respect him so much, at-least he is the one who read that post completely and gave a Merit.
Even-though i never expected a single Merit from anyone, as i thought that post would never be noticed by anyone Senior, but that was quite a surprise to me..

Keeping all that aside, i have seen users receiving 40 Merits as well, may-be even more than that, however i just saw 40 once in a post.
There are also people who received Merit for a post that doesn't even deserve one, a post that got nothing special in it, looks like a Merit was simply given to upgrade the User or so..
So did you ever bothered to comment over there?
Why would you, when you have a specific target, right?

When you didn't do your homework well, do not comment. Better to stay out of it..



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Thank you everyone for reading this. Have a great day ahead.
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A few comments to (IMO) improve your forum participation:
1. There's no need to send me a PM after receiving Merit. I merited your post, that's it.
2. You type very long stories, which makes it slow to read.
3. You're overdoing bold font.
Do with this advice what you want Wink

1. There's no need to send me a PM after receiving Merit. I merited your post, that's it.
This clearly looks like a showoff performance.
I really hate such showoff people.
Thanking someone is not a criminal offence, nor does it violates the policy or protocols of any forum..
The way your saying it here seems like i abused your on PM or so ?
You gave me a Merit on my Post, i just gave a Thank You message in return, end of the story..
Grow up dude.. stop acting like a kid now, your a Legendary Member, don't behave like a Newbie for god's sake..
The least we can expect from you is to behave like a mature.
Damm, i just can't believe it, you said it here.
I mean a Private Message is indeed a Private Message, and your replying back to a PM in a post instead.
You didn't had he guts to respond back to PM and respond back if you had a problem with my Thanking Message ?

Do you the reason why you did this?
Just because you wanted to perform this little showoff stunt..
So did that bring some smile on your face?
Are you actually smiling now? Rofl..

Well, enough of the smiling then, just for your very kind information, i am a person who Thanks everyone who does anything for me, doesn't matter how small or how big that is..
So don't consider yourself as something special or a VIP to whom i have specifically selected & thanked..
Your not the only person i've Thanked in this forum or anywhere else..
I have thanked every person who has appreciated me or my work with a Merit, a Response or anything.. doesn't matter how small or how big it is..
I am really sorry, i can't act so rude like you do with others..

So stop acting like a kid and keep your negative attitude & ego towards yourself. This is not the right place to reveal it..

You know what the funny part is, that makes me feel that you indeed have some problem with your?
You gave me a Merit in my Post..
Then, i sent you a "Thank you message in PM"
That literally pissed you off and you realised that i need to do something special about this guy as he looks like an interesting member.. so this is the right time to make some post and get some Merits or so.. lol..
Finally, you start to post baseless messages..

2. You type very long stories, which makes it slow to read.
If that looks like a story to you, it's high time you realise that your not fit for any forum..
Because that's defined as a detailed explanation to people like you, who don't understand anything, regardless of whether we break our heads to the walls and start to bleed..

3. You're overdoing bold font.
Overdoing? What a crap?
That's what it's called to present a text in a neat and tidy manner, so that the person reading the post can know the highlighted parts of it.
Although, a person like you won't even understand stand.
Just look at yourself, for no reason your digging out small small things from the post, when there is nothing more for you to say..
Really funny..

Do with this advice what you want
Don't you dare even think to give me any Suggestions or Advice because an immature person can't ever give an advice to me or anyone..
Your just a person full of ego and negative attitude, you might be having a fight with someone everyday and you just visit this forum to take out your frustration over others via. Post.
Really sad..
You better improve your Nature and Behaviour with others, else it would be a tough time for you in the future. If you behave in this way on forum, i wonder how you would be in real life as well.

The issues with some high rank people like you are, you think that all low rank members are your servants or so and they work under you..
You just try to put them down, whenever or wherever you want, whether it's a post or a topic..
However there are many good members under that Legendary Rank, hence it won't matter to me much if there are few annoyed people like you in this forum, whose life is dedicated for nothing more than doing these kind of activities..

I know how to treat people like you, so instead of giving me some advice, you better grow-up once in your life and look-back and see, What you really are & what kind of nature you really possess.

Although i don't give a damm about post, i said this much just to conclude my talk with you, so that others know about your behaviour and your maturity level..


I don't have any advice or anything for you, but just 1 statement, try to stay away from my Topics/Post henceforth..
I know you can't because people like you got no other work than to hunt the post of Low Rank Members and start to post all stupid comments over there for publicity, still if possible try to keep a safer distance from my Topic/Post.


I am registered in so many forums, including forums having different Interests/Areas like IT, Education, Social Cause etc..
I even hold an Admin / Moderator Ranks in some of them where i'm active daily, moreover i even gained a lot of achievements till date..

I know this is not the right place to Disclose/Show my Biodata, i said this because this is the first time someone is even trying to Raise/Point their hands over me in a disrespectul way.. that too without even thinking about anything..


You can't even understand a Post, you don't even read a post in full, simply read some contents of the post from here & there and start to act too smart..

What your saying doesn't fit the conversation from where these posts have started..
Your just diverting this to something different and taking this too much personally now, seems like you got so many issues with me personally..
Either with the 30 Merit that i have received or may-be something else.. or it could be that you do this with everyone around..


You better come out of the little pond in which your swimming alone where you consider your as the 1st Rank Holder and then only speak..
You will realise the bitter truth about yourself..
In-fact, look at the mirror once and ask yourself, do you even have humanity left within you anymore? You will indeed get the answer..


To be very honest, if i had an option under my profile named Kids or Immature Users then i would have indeed Added / Tagged you as a top priority on the list..
Apart from that, if there was a way to Delete the Merit added by you on my post, i would have done that immediately, without even a second thought..


You know what, my BitcoinTalk friend texted me on Skype after reading all these trailing post & informed me that "This is why i stay away from such talks, there are certain hand-picked High Rank Member would indeed show-up from nowhere and start to post something irrevelant and then you keep going-on with the conversation and waste your time altogether. So better to stick with the forum on the Sections where your actually interested in. Don't do too much of Helping or Suggestion works on the forum, else you will loose your time as it won't be appreciated by some High Rank Member."

Actually, hats off to you my dear Skype Friend, i should have actually listened to you, my bad..


Enough of this, i have already wasted so much time with you, it's not possible to make you understand anything, when your mind is set with full of ego..
You can never admit the truth..

Hence, do not drag this conversation any further by adding more responses again & again, this will end nowhere, trust me..
I really got no time for all this anymore, nor can i type things in detailed manner again & again to make you understand the truth..


Seriously speaking, do not kill this Topic with such post anymore, that's all i have to say now..
I posted a Suggestion, you don't like it, ignore it, that's all..
Freedom of speech is indeed applicable, as that's what a forum is all about, but your just here to create a cat fight, which will end nowhere..
The road will end but the discussions won't..


So with this, i am wrapping up this conversation once and for all..


Lastly, wish you a good luck on the forum, may God help you get well soon.. I would actually pray..


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I know that my Post is way too much lengthy for anyone to read it, i do apologise for that, however there wasn't anyway i could shorten it, as i wanted to give the user LoyceV a detailed response for his behaviour.
Thank you for the understanding, God bless you all..

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October 02, 2018, 08:05:31 PM
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Last but not the least, if my above post of Suggestions looks like a trash to everyone, then i would highly recommend a Staff to Delete it right-away. It's quite simple, why to unnecessarily drag the conversation over here if that post means useless to everyone.

You can suggest whatever you want, and there are a few levels in which it can be taken, including levels of support.

By the way, bouncing around ideas in this thread may or may not matter, and let's say 99.94% of members are in favor of a certain policy change, yet in the end, theymos owns the forum, so unless he agrees to make the change, the level of support remains one factor and is not necessarily a deal maker/breaker.

Further, just because some members might find what you say to be stupid or unimportant does not mean that it rises to the level of deletion or that you should be banned from the forum for saying it - or executed, for that matter.. hahahahhahaha

Get real, DeepuEzy....  Even if in your mind, you have wonderful ideas, they certainly don't appear to be slam dunks, even if you attempt to present them as such.  There are levels of graduation of whether people agree or disagree with the ideas of others, and generally you are free to make suggestions, even if they are perceived as stupendous by yourself or dumb (non-persuasive) by other members.


If I want to leave this forum today, nobody is going to stop me.

Have you been to your front door recently?  There are men with guns.... So there.  You are not leaving, LoyceV. 

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October 02, 2018, 08:25:45 PM
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Last but not the least, if my above post of Suggestions looks like a trash to everyone, then i would highly recommend a Staff to Delete it right-away. It's quite simple, why to unnecessarily drag the conversation over here if that post means useless to everyone.

You can suggest whatever you want, and there are a few levels in which it can be taken, including levels of support.

By the way, bouncing around ideas in this thread may or may not matter, and let's say 99.94% of members are in favor of a certain policy change, yet in the end, theymos owns the forum, so unless he agrees to make the change, the level of support remains one factor and is not necessarily a deal maker/breaker.

Further, just because some members might find what you say to be stupid or unimportant does not mean that it rises to the level of deletion or that you should be banned from the forum for saying it - or executed, for that matter.. hahahahhahaha

Get real, DeepuEzy....  Even if in your mind, you have wonderful ideas, they certainly don't appear to be slam dunks, even if you attempt to present them as such.  There are levels of graduation of whether people agree or disagree with the ideas of others, and generally you are free to make suggestions, even if they are perceived as stupendous by yourself or dumb (non-persuasive) by other members.

Unbelievable.. again ?  Shocked

Can we stop this now?
My head is really paining now..  Cry

I have never ever typed such lengthy Post in my life, but you made me do that today..
You can really make a person go mad & even upside down with your post..
You got that talent in you, trust me.. lol..  Grin

Jokes apart, on a serious note, i really can't dedicate my life responding to your Quotes again & again, so please stop this now.. it's really a request..

To be very honest, i would have never posted in this Topic, if i knew you were guarding this topic with your life..
I mean seriously..

By the way, should i transfer some Bitcoins to you at the Bitcoin Address enlisted in your profile, to stop all this? lol  Tongue

Just chill out dude, with all due respect, don't take everything so much deeper into your heart, just chill..

I have a feeling like, you would be running after me holding a knife, if i would have ever met you in person..
#JustKidding

Anyways, thank you so much for your participation with me till now..

Please read this Post as a final response to this and just ignore it..

End of the Chapter..

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