Devcoin

[FinShaggy]

I am starting some charities and other organizations, and I can help them get in and sign for work visas. I want to do it all over the world.

1. Charities are ok but these guys you can give them literally like 1/3 of a share for the same work a programmer would do here.  They have the computers to work on but not the $2,000 rigs to mine with.  There won't be many miners there.  Even .25% so 1/4 of a share for programming work would be great as programmers there if you're lucky to find a job and most don't make between $300 and max $500 per month.  

I met tons of Romanian engineers, programmers, lawyers with no jobs working as waiters for $150 per month.

2. Romania can definitely be the place where you find tons of programmers and hackers to do your work without severely diluting the shares because if we're going global this will grow faster than exponential, could be closer to logarithmic growth for the first couple years which means each share will shrink to something much much smaller which may then cause the loss of talent here.  So lets keep the cost of living in mind and average wage for that country.  In Romania the average apt rents for $100.  So they do get by with $300-$500 per month.

3. As for work visas.  Good luck.  I've been trying to get my bro-in-law here for 7 years. No go. It has to be a field the US needs workers for but then they're likely to go work there and not here for you. They can do the programming work from there as they have the necessary tools.  Romanians are very clever, they're known as the thieves of Europe. Caution.

1. That's cool, I am saying I can give them jobs with those charities that pay better than Romanian jobs.

2. Again, cool

3. I do not plan on getting them regular work visas. Have you heard about the "Extraordinary Talent" visa? You could get into America just for being a porn star, or being a comedian or anything like that.

[TaxReturn]

I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever. Manual control will only work so long, there needs to be a lock on user pages to make them editable by just the individual users themselves.

[psybits]

I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever. Manual control will only work so long, there needs to be a lock on user pages to make them editable by just the individual users themselves.

This needs to be fixed asap if this is true. Well spotted TaxReturn!

[ranlo]

I think there's already some form of protection from that, though I don't know the specifics. I think it has to do with our payment addresses being in the actual list that we can NOT edit, and the one on our page just being "transparency." I could be misunderstanding this though.

[FinShaggy]

I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever. Manual control will only work so long, there needs to be a lock on user pages to make them editable by just the individual users themselves.

I believe Unthinkingbit keeps backups, so if it ever happens he can just upload it back to its regular self.

[Vlad2Vlad]

Probably worth pointing out that devtome articles have to be in english for the moment.

Aw, really? We should work on setting up a "Translate each others work for Devcoins" program. And get even the stuff we already have put in other languages.

I would like to translate some devtome material to spanish, at the moment the translators list works to have the work of foreign language speakers translated to english and upload it to devtome

Is this really necessary at this stage of limited resources along with a very low and dropping devcoin price?  I'm saying, our energies might be better spent on getting the word out to these various countries but as far as original content, if you're manually translating someone else's work it takes time as you're bound to run into issues and have to constantly communicate with the original author to make sure you get the correct meaning and other types of inefficiencies.  

Let's keep in mind that with each passing month devcoin dumps 180,000,000 more coins on the market - directly or indirectly regardless of how many shares are earned or not.  We need to reach an inflection point as soon as possible where devcoin is seeing some reasonable revenues to at least combat the constant dilution by spending some of those revenues buying devcoins off the market and retiring them.  

In order to do that the current plan is perfect.  We have various individuals good at their respective given admin jobs and that should be the major focus.  While it is a great plan to get devcoin's user base as far and as deep around the world, manually translating what will in no time be hundreds of articles would be a huge drain on resources and to pay 2 people shares for the same article is also going to be a drag on efficiencies.

As for translating from English to other languages, if it's your own article and you don't mind putting the effort in it then I guesss that's up to each person.  But form being in Europe a few times over the last few years what I saw is that most people use things like google translate and although it's not perfect, it's very satisfactory for them.  And let's also keep in mind that many many million so people worldwide already speak decent to fluent English so any one English article's audience go far beyond the 300 Million potential American audience.  It's easily over 1 billion given entire continents such as Africa, Europe and a considerable Asian countries speak English very well.  

That's my 2 cents and I know, another big post but I really had to hit on each point and explain based on my first hand experience as a foreigner and living abroad in various European countries for quite a while.  FOCUS.  When resouces are scarce as they are now then Focus is key, that and sticking to our key competencies.  

Devcoin is the first and so far by far the leader in what will soon be a new market for half currency and half stocks.  Which is why last night I took the liberty of buying all the CryptoStocks websites.  the .com one  was taken but I got the rest as well as the crypto-stocks as I really belive this model which devcoin has pioneered will be the next phase for all these coins looking to add some legitimacy to their name and coins to add a hard base, support under their otherwise worthless virtual coins.

[jackjack]

I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever. Manual control will only work so long, there needs to be a lock on user pages to make them editable by just the individual users themselves.

I believe Unthinkingbit keeps backups, so if it ever happens he can just upload it back to its regular self.

I'm not sure he would check every page
Someone can make a bot though (I can if nobody has the time)

[Vlad2Vlad]

As a newbie and given that in my world for the past 20 years I have always been considered a very computer literate guy just to find out I'm handicapped compared to everyone here I would say one major core competency to try and improve on to bring in more miners, buyers and users is to have the most streanlined and easy to use wallet, client and mining program.  That stuff is so complicated for any new person interested in digital coins that most will give up in the first 72 hours.

Devcoin can be the first digital coin to make it all easy.  And that's where finding very affordable Eastern European programmers who know what they're doing to do some serious work on whatever needs tweaking can really come in handy.  Like the bounty twobits put up yesterday and I matched and I think fuzzybear also upped by 125,000 devcoins, if we can get a few more guys donating what they can we can have the first wallet which can't be accidentally erased (like I did).  It's things like this but especially ease of use, to make it so easy to understand and use that any monkey can do it, which is about 80% of people around the world.  

This would be on top of my priority lists because as many more millions of people find out about crypto currencies they'll start surfing and they'll try to download various wallets and mining programs and the ones which are the easiest to use and understand those will become their favorite ones and they will be bound to stick to that because it's a human flaw to not want to change.  It's a race for loyalty right now and it's going to really heat up as dozens of other coins start to hit the market soon and some will have big money, great ads, pro designs, and probably much easier to use software and those are the kinds of coins that will simply take over this entire new cryptostock market.  Devcoin has a head start so let's focus on the very top core competencies and what will most likely take devcoin one step ahead of everyone and keep it there when the competition really heats up.

And that's where I think ease of use will be one really major competitive advantage and selling point.

And does anybody know if patents can be obtained on some of these things.  That's how competitive advantages are held on to for 17 some years.

[FinShaggy]

Probably worth pointing out that devtome articles have to be in english for the moment.

Aw, really? We should work on setting up a "Translate each others work for Devcoins" program. And get even the stuff we already have put in other languages.

I would like to translate some devtome material to spanish, at the moment the translators list works to have the work of foreign language speakers translated to english and upload it to devtome

Is this really necessary at this stage of limited resources along with a very low and dropping devcoin price?  I'm saying, our energies might be better spent on getting the word out to these various countries but as far as original content, if you're manually translating someone else's work it takes time as you're bound to run into issues and have to constantly communicate with the original author to make sure you get the correct meaning and other types of inefficiencies.  

I just think it would Allow people from other countries to earn Devcoins and learn about the development aspect and not just the mining aspects.
And it would allow people that speak English to earn more coins than they normally would by posting someone else's English version. They could make it an entirely separate page and link to the other language version That way both parties earn coins, 1 for original content 1 for original translation.

[Vlad2Vlad]

3. I do not plan on getting them regular work visas. Have you heard about the "Extraordinary Talent" visa? You could get into America just for being a porn star, or being a comedian or anything like that.

Are you kidding?  I've read up so much on visas trying to find a way to bring him here just for a few months to visit but I have never heard of that.  He's no porn star and he doesn't have college.  He's a carpenter journeyman.  He can do pretty much any kind of interior type of work on the type of houses and buildings they have there....cement and rebar buildings.  I wonder if there's something extraordinary about that. 

If not he can just get his carrot wet on some cheezy homemade video and he's good to go.

Where in the world do you get this stuff from....Don?

[Vlad2Vlad]

I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever. Manual control will only work so long, there needs to be a lock on user pages to make them editable by just the individual users themselves.

I believe Unthinkingbit keeps backups, so if it ever happens he can just upload it back to its regular self.

I'm not sure he would check every page
Someone can make a bot though (I can if nobody has the time)

You know, this crossed my mind as well.  What's to stop a disgruntled writer who's maybe getting the boot from going through all those articles and in a matter of minutes destroying everything or making it so mumbo jumbo that they're impossible to read.  Something really needs to be done about it the way you suggest.  man, I wish I had more coins, I'd help by putting up some devcoins - if everybody pitches in on necessary projects like this these types of projects will get done in no time. 

Or come to think of it, even a competing coin can get in here just to cause mayhem.  It would really be very easy to do.  Thanks for bringing this up, it should be moved up on top of the bounty list.

[Unthinkingbit]

I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever.

Good point about changing the article links. The addresses on the user page are just a check, the addresses the script uses are in the file:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_23.csv

I'll add a check that the articles linked to must be written by the user. In the future, it would be good if the user pages could only be edited by the user.

[FinShaggy]

3. I do not plan on getting them regular work visas. Have you heard about the "Extraordinary Talent" visa? You could get into America just for being a porn star, or being a comedian or anything like that.

Are you kidding?  I've read up so much on visas trying to find a way to bring him here just for a few months to visit but I have never heard of that.  He's no porn star and he doesn't have college.  He's a carpenter journeyman.  He can do pretty much any kind of interior type of work on the type of houses and buildings they have there....cement and rebar buildings.  I wonder if there's something extraordinary about that.  

If not he can just get his carrot wet on some cheezy homemade video and he's good to go.

Where in the world do you get this stuff from....Don?

If he started making YouTube videos and got a fair amount of American followers, I'm sure he could get a visa, as long as he has plans to teach people stuff, or do a special job for someone.

I get it from reading and being in jail. There are tons of people LYING about shit in jail, but you can tell when someone is a real motherfucker and is really just talking about things that have happened. And you can learn a lot from other people's mistakes and doings.

Plus being in jail is like a vow of silence. When you get back into the world, everything is extraordinary and you use your time more wisely.

[twobits]

Got a request today in irc for 32 bit linux builds....   so

devcoin-linux-32.bz2
devcoind-linux-32.bz2

[ranlo]

Got a request today in irc for 32 bit linux builds....   so

devcoin-linux-32.bz2
devcoind-linux-32.bz2

...People still use 32 bit OS's? This isn't the 90's anymore!

:p

[shakezula]

I am starting some charities and other organizations, and I can help them get in and sign for work visas. I want to do it all over the world.

1. Charities are ok but these guys you can give them literally like 1/3 of a share for the same work a programmer would do here.  They have the computers to work on but not the $2,000 rigs to mine with.  There won't be many miners there.  Even .25% so 1/4 of a share for programming work would be great as programmers there if you're lucky to find a job and most don't make between $300 and max $500 per month.  

I met tons of Romanian engineers, programmers, lawyers with no jobs working as waiters for $150 per month.

2. Romania can definitely be the place where you find tons of programmers and hackers to do your work without severely diluting the shares because if we're going global this will grow faster than exponential, could be closer to logarithmic growth for the first couple years which means each share will shrink to something much much smaller which may then cause the loss of talent here.  So lets keep the cost of living in mind and average wage for that country.  In Romania the average apt rents for $100.  So they do get by with $300-$500 per month.

3. As for work visas.  Good luck.  I've been trying to get my bro-in-law here for 7 years. No go. It has to be a field the US needs workers for but then they're likely to go work there and not here for you. They can do the programming work from there as they have the necessary tools.  Romanians are very clever, they're known as the thieves of Europe. Caution.

1. That's cool, I am saying I can give them jobs with those charities that pay better than Romanian jobs.

2. Again, cool

3. I do not plan on getting them regular work visas. Have you heard about the "Extraordinary Talent" visa? You could get into America just for being a porn star, or being a comedian or anything like that.

Spoken (and thought out) like a real 'murican!

[Vlad2Vlad]

In regards to locking writers link's pages, I would suggest that everyone keep a copy of their writing for each page in a text or word document in case a page become deleted. I save mine to word documents (I can make the text bigger for my eyes when editing) to ensure I don't lose any work.

If a page was accidentally deleted I am not sure it can be retrieved. If a page is edited and all the text removed and then saved, the page is gone.

BTW as I can't find it readily - can some one please confirm when the next block count that ends the round is? As the last round was extended is there a page or spreadsheet somewhere that has the future (or next) round end, and payout starting dates?

Thanks

That's exactly what I did today in case something happens.  I think its block 93,000. Give or take 500.  So like 2 weeks, maybe a little longer.  Good luck.

[TaxReturn]

In regards to locking writers link's pages, I would suggest that everyone keep a copy of their writing for each page in a text or word document in case a page become deleted. I save mine to word documents (I can make the text bigger for my eyes when editing) to ensure I don't lose any work.

If a page was accidentally deleted I am not sure it can be retrieved. If a page is edited and all the text removed and then saved, the page is gone.

Pages can easily be restored to a previous version, that is not the problem. The real problem is, that if the payment/counting script picks up wrong data and the payments go out, there is no way to get the coins back, even if you later revert the vandalism.

By the way, is there a place to see up-to-date counts and share distribution for the current round? I thought http://d.evco.in/charity/devtome_earnings_24.csv would be what I was looking for, but it doesn't have any current data, even if it is updated daily according to the file date. Is the script working correctly?

[jasinlee]

In regards to locking writers link's pages, I would suggest that everyone keep a copy of their writing for each page in a text or word document in case a page become deleted. I save mine to word documents (I can make the text bigger for my eyes when editing) to ensure I don't lose any work.

If a page was accidentally deleted I am not sure it can be retrieved. If a page is edited and all the text removed and then saved, the page is gone.

Pages can easily be restored to a previous version, that is not the problem. The real problem is, that if the payment/counting script picks up wrong data and the payments go out, there is no way to get the coins back, even if you later revert the vandalism.

By the way, is there a place to see up-to-date counts and share distribution for the current round? I thought http://d.evco.in/charity/devtome_earnings_24.csv would be what I was looking for, but it doesn't have any current data, even if it is updated daily according to the file date. Is the script working correctly?

If anyone has a script or a plugin they have found that will achieve what you are talking about without locking every thread to that specific user then please post it. I have hunted and not found one yet.

[JessicaMILFson]

So, what is the maximum number of DVC ever to be mined (like 20 million for BTC) ? I searched for the answer, but it seems confusing. The official sites say that it is 21 billion (1000X number of BTC), but now I hear it is unlimited - is that true ? Did the software get changed sometime after first release ?

The maximum number of coins in any one wallet or address or in general any arithmetic/total, but coins will keep getting created, 50,000 per block, forever. So some century or other maybe larger than 64 bit integers will have to start being use if more than 21 billion ever need to be added up in any one arithmetic operation.

-MarkM-

Are you saying the limit is not 21 billion total, and it is unlimited ? Is there a document which says that ? The source code seems to indicate 21 billion total ever to be produced.

No, the source code indicates no individual variable containing a count of coins can count up to more than 21 billion.

Nowhere does the code add up all coins ever minted, it only adds up wallet, "account" and address totals. So as long as no individual wallet, "account" or address has more than 21 billion there could be billions of times that many coins total. It would just eventually need larger integers at some point if someone did try to add up all the coins in the entire blockchain.

Search for "subsidy" in main.cpp, it just does 50,000 coins per block forever, there is no halving and there is no block at which it stops minting.

-MarkM-

Can the developer please complement on this? If you say it's a 21 billion cap, then why does the source code have no limit?