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[BobK71]

I am not surprised with the fact that South Africa was bowled out for just 99. I am surprised because they were facing a second string Indian squad. At least 7-8 main players were missing from the Indian XI and despite all that South Africa performed in such a pathetic manner. Bowlers such as Washington Sundar, Avesh Khan and Shahbaz Ahmed would struggle to get in to the India A squad, if the regular players such as Bumrah and Shami are available. And South Africa had heavyweights such as Janneman Malan, Quinton de Kock, Heinrich Klaasen and David Miller. 

I agree with you that the way Africans lost is not a problem. In the game there will be winner as well as loser. But no one could have imagined that they would be washed like this by the 2nd tier cricketers. Here was a proof that the Indian 2nd row cricketers are not less powerful. Where African world-renowned players participated like Quinton de Kock, Aiden Markram , Heinrich Klaasen , David Miller a group of players helplessly defeated by India is a big achievement. The way they played deserves praise.
 

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[Minor Miner]

I am not surprised with the fact that South Africa was bowled out for just 99. I am surprised because they were facing a second string Indian squad. At least 7-8 main players were missing from the Indian XI and despite all that South Africa performed in such a pathetic manner. Bowlers such as Washington Sundar, Avesh Khan and Shahbaz Ahmed would struggle to get in to the India A squad, if the regular players such as Bumrah and Shami are available. And South Africa had heavyweights such as Janneman Malan, Quinton de Kock, Heinrich Klaasen and David Miller. 

I agree with you that the way Africans lost is not a problem. In the game there will be winner as well as loser. But no one could have imagined that they would be washed like this by the 2nd tier cricketers. Here was a proof that the Indian 2nd row cricketers are not less powerful. Where African world-renowned players participated like Quinton de Kock, Aiden Markram , Heinrich Klaasen , David Miller a group of players helplessly defeated by India is a big achievement. The way they played deserves praise.

The South African squad had plenty of experienced batsmen. Even then they could not collect even 100 runs. I would say such a defeat to a second tier team in India is very embarrassing for South Africa. They should have performed more carefully. Players like de Kock and Miller should have batted more responsibly. Since the team players are not in good form, the experienced players should have tried to stay at the crease for a long time. After winning the first match, South Africa lost badly in the last two matches. If the performance of the batsmen is not better, they may be eliminated in the first round in the next World Cup.

[JSRAW]

The South African squad had plenty of experienced batsmen. Even then they could not collect even 100 runs. I would say such a defeat to a second tier team in India is very embarrassing for South Africa. They should have performed more carefully. Players like de Kock and Miller should have batted more responsibly. Since the team players are not in good form, the experienced players should have tried to stay at the crease for a long time. After winning the first match, South Africa lost badly in the last two matches. If the performance of the batsmen is not better, they may be eliminated in the first round in the next World Cup.

Do you know the funny part?
 
The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

[KennyR]

The South African squad had plenty of experienced batsmen. Even then they could not collect even 100 runs. I would say such a defeat to a second tier team in India is very embarrassing for South Africa. They should have performed more carefully. Players like de Kock and Miller should have batted more responsibly. Since the team players are not in good form, the experienced players should have tried to stay at the crease for a long time. After winning the first match, South Africa lost badly in the last two matches. If the performance of the batsmen is not better, they may be eliminated in the first round in the next World Cup.

Do you know the funny part?
 
The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

This is happening with most of the teams where the main team performance stands questionable based on the performance from the second tier team.

Very few players have got consistent performance. If a player who had previous match hadn't performed good, the upcoming players should take responsibility and perform. In the third ODI of South Africa vs India, it was Heinrich to score 34 to reach 99. If not this could've gone even worse.

[Sithara007]

Do you know the funny part?
 
The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

[n0ne]

Do you know the funny part?
 
The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

There is no chance for last minute changes. These days Indian cricket is much into politics than giving importance for the cricket. According to me, Suresh Raina made the right decision to retire from all formats of cricket. Same as that more players can give way for young players. Myself too have the thought that the trophy won't be lifted by India.

[JSRAW]

Do you know the funny part?
 
The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

It was supposed to be a joke but the more i think, it does make sense overall lol

Bowling and opening pair (read; KL Rahul) looks weak to me, hope I'm wrong. Let's hope they survive the group stage first against Pak-SA and reach at least knockouts.

[SirLancelot]

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

Right now as BCCI have resources and players power they can bring competition into their own system which will have positive impact with mostly big players will feel pressure, and they have to perform, or their chances could be slim to stay into top it's surely big game from them which is having all win-win for them because currently their investments are giving them good return.

Now they can feel relaxed so here this T20 world cup could be vital for few players because if they fail to perform then surely they have to face something which is not expected for them but beneficial for selectors because experience and performance are good, and these guys can go into any event for having good results.

[GigaBit]

Do you know the funny part?
 
The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

There is no chance for last minute changes. These days Indian cricket is much into politics than giving importance for the cricket. According to me, Suresh Raina made the right decision to retire from all formats of cricket. Same as that more players can give way for young players. Myself too have the thought that the trophy won't be lifted by India.

Nowadays, politics has invaded the entertainment space of people. Every sector is affected by dirty politics. Where being honest is very hard. I think this image is not only in India but its influence is widely visible in many Asian countries. Three countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, cricket boards are more or less politically influenced.

[Ayers]

I didn't think South Africa will play so bad in this match and lose the match, we thought South Africa might perform well in this match, but the result turned out to be the opposite South Africa played so badly in the match it's unbelievable the Indian bowlers left the South African batsmen so confused that the South African batsmen completely failed to play the Indian bowlers' balls.

Few years back they were one of the best chokers in cricket world but right now they are one of the biggest joke in cricketing world and after having performance like this look like their future is also having not good because they are going badly down against second string Indian bowling attack which is matter of concern for them because with this performance they can't stay into top ranks so now it's good time for having some discussion and change of policies which are bringing down their quality and top performance players.

Uncertainty and kill of merit policy is never been good for any teem because this brings down moral and right now happening with South Africa coach Mark Buchar already announces he is leaving after this world cup, so they need to do positive development end quota system and bring fair policy.

These were really terrible performances from the South African team. i really thought that this match was going to be competitive because this was going to be the decider match of the series. South Africa utterly failed to deliver in this match when it counted the most. the team set a target of only 100 runs in a 50 overs match. And it didn't even take India 20 overs to reach the target. the sad part is actually Shubman Gill missing out on a half-century. people often say that even if one team loses there is always something positive to take away from every match. that I really don't think that there are any positives to take away from this match for the South Africans.

Kuldeep Yadav was the most outstanding bowler for India. but it was not a solo effort. All the Indian bowlers bowled really well in this match.

[elevates]

Do you know the funny part?
 
The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

There is no chance for last minute changes. These days Indian cricket is much into politics than giving importance for the cricket. According to me, Suresh Raina made the right decision to retire from all formats of cricket. Same as that more players can give way for young players. Myself too have the thought that the trophy won't be lifted by India.

Nowadays, politics has invaded the entertainment space of people. Every sector is affected by dirty politics. Where being honest is very hard. I think this image is not only in India but its influence is widely visible in many Asian countries. Three countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, cricket boards are more or less politically influenced.

I am pretty sure it is more capatalism rather politics as Suresh Raina was more into getting media attention than getting justice. Another important thing is to just check his performance before getting retired as he wasn't upto his best at that time. I also think BCCI is politically influenced but not dum as Pakistan or Bangladesh cricket board, as they are corrupt.

Kohli or Rohit might have failed in someone's point of view but as an Indian they are heros for me as Kohli was the first to be agressive captain and he did hit every opposite team with his agression. Rohit is till new and he hasn't been a badass like Kohli.

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Do you know the funny part?
 
The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.

I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.

I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled.

There is no chance for last minute changes. These days Indian cricket is much into politics than giving importance for the cricket. According to me, Suresh Raina made the right decision to retire from all formats of cricket. Same as that more players can give way for young players. Myself too have the thought that the trophy won't be lifted by India.

Nowadays, politics has invaded the entertainment space of people. Every sector is affected by dirty politics. Where being honest is very hard. I think this image is not only in India but its influence is widely visible in many Asian countries. Three countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, cricket boards are more or less politically influenced.

Kohli or Rohit might have failed in someone's point of view but as an Indian they are heros for me as Kohli was the first to be agressive captain and he did hit every opposite team with his agression. Rohit is till new and he hasn't been a badass like Kohli.

Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli's contribution will never be forgotten by India Cricket. Even though Virat Kohli is in poor form now, he has a different character that the cricketing world has seen. His records are numerous. The number of his fans is not less. He has been repeatedly given the chance to be retained in the upcoming World Cup. But he has failed to bring back that form so far.

[Naficopa]

Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli's contribution will never be forgotten by India Cricket. Even though Virat Kohli is in poor form now, he has a different character that the cricketing world has seen. His records are numerous. The number of his fans is not less. He has been repeatedly given the chance to be retained in the upcoming World Cup. But he has failed to bring back that form so far.

Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

[justdimin]

Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli's contribution will never be forgotten by India Cricket. Even though Virat Kohli is in poor form now, he has a different character that the cricketing world has seen. His records are numerous. The number of his fans is not less. He has been repeatedly given the chance to be retained in the upcoming World Cup. But he has failed to bring back that form so far.

Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

Right now as Indian team have their schedule they need some good number of players which help them for back like we have in last series which they won against South Africa because this is surely one of the best part for them if they are able to go with all three formats because they can afford this and this could be positive change for players which are surely right now burning with this schedule and fail to regain their form like we have Virat Kohli.

There is no doubt Virat Kohli is big player and having out of form for long time so here it's his right to have some long rest from game and join his team with fresh mind and positive change but greediness and poor management having no things like this, so now they are still worried about his form in T-20 World Cup which is surely vital if India wants to win this event.

[Sithara007]

Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

Everyone suffers from insecurity and Kohli is no exception to this. His main concern is that if he takes such a lengthy break and in case someone else is able to cement his place in that position, then there may not be a slot available for him in the playing XI when he returns after the break. Already younger players such as Shreyas Iyer, Surya Kumar Yadav and Ishan Kishan are fighting for their slots within the national team. But one thing that may work for Kohli is the departure of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president.

[BobK71]

Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

Everyone suffers from insecurity and Kohli is no exception to this. His main concern is that if he takes such a lengthy break and in case someone else is able to cement his place in that position, then there may not be a slot available for him in the playing XI when he returns after the break. Already younger players such as Shreyas Iyer, Surya Kumar Yadav and Ishan Kishan are fighting for their slots within the national team. But one thing that may work for Kohli is the departure of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president.

Yes, agree with you, if a player is out of the game for long time, he doesn't have an easy chance of getting into the team. It becomes even more difficult when they are good players competing for their slots. The chances that Kohli has got so far, I doubt if any other Indian cricketers has got so many chances like him. Besides Ganguly's departure could be a good opportunity? Yes, it is possible. Because when a new president comes, there may be some changes in his thinking. So kohli may get the opportunity.

[Naficopa]

Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

Everyone suffers from insecurity and Kohli is no exception to this. His main concern is that if he takes such a lengthy break and in case someone else is able to cement his place in that position, then there may not be a slot available for him in the playing XI when he returns after the break. Already younger players such as Shreyas Iyer, Surya Kumar Yadav and Ishan Kishan are fighting for their slots within the national team. But one thing that may work for Kohli is the departure of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president.

You mean if Ganguly departs as bcci president then kohli will be fired too from indian squad? I don't think kohli form is of level to be part of Indian squad. He scored a century against Afghanistan recently after 2 years of break. But that century doesn't mean he is back in form.

[ilovealtcoins]

Kohli just need some rest to regain his form which he is not willing to take. There are many cases where players took break and came back strongly. Kohli is still young and has 4 to 5 years of cricket left. He should go back and play domestic cricket.

Everyone suffers from insecurity and Kohli is no exception to this. His main concern is that if he takes such a lengthy break and in case someone else is able to cement his place in that position, then there may not be a slot available for him in the playing XI when he returns after the break. Already younger players such as Shreyas Iyer, Surya Kumar Yadav and Ishan Kishan are fighting for their slots within the national team. But one thing that may work for Kohli is the departure of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president.

You mean if Ganguly departs as bcci president then kohli will be fired too from indian squad? I don't think kohli form is of level to be part of Indian squad. He scored a century against Afghanistan recently after 2 years of break. But that century doesn't mean he is back in form.

Kohli is yet to return to form. He is performing well in some matches. But Kohli is not playing well regularly. Kohli is indeed a talented player. But if he is not able to return to form, and if Kohli does not perform well in the next World Cup, then he will be dropped from the Indian squad. Indian management has given Kohli plenty of time to return to form. But even then Kohli continued his poor and erratic performances.

[AnotherAlt]

I am not surprised with the fact that South Africa was bowled out for just 99. I am surprised because they were facing a second string Indian squad. At least 7-8 main players were missing from the Indian XI and despite all that South Africa performed in such a pathetic manner. Bowlers such as Washington Sundar, Avesh Khan and Shahbaz Ahmed would struggle to get in to the India A squad, if the regular players such as Bumrah and Shami are available. And South Africa had heavyweights such as Janneman Malan, Quinton de Kock, Heinrich Klaasen and David Miller. 

Well, That's due to home advantage. You may notice Bangladesh's home ground performance. Bangladesh Whitewashed New Zealand on their (Bangladesh) Home ground. They won plenty of matches on their home ground. They also defeated Australia, and England in test matches. When you play in your home ground. You have extra confidence and experience as well. Maximum-time visitors struggle. Exceptions happen too. This time England won consecutive matches against Australia in Australia.

[Sithara007]

You mean if Ganguly departs as bcci president then kohli will be fired too from indian squad? I don't think kohli form is of level to be part of Indian squad. He scored a century against Afghanistan recently after 2 years of break. But that century doesn't mean he is back in form.

Nope. You misunderstood me. Ganguly is someone who openly voiced his displeasure with Virat Kohli. And Kohli also responded to Ganguly in the same style. Although he was not very open about it, we all know that Kohli holds Ganguly primarily responsible for his ouster as the captain of the Indian team. In case Dhumal or some other politician succeeds Ganguly as the BCCI president, then in all probability Kohli can expect a more lenient treatment (although I am not sure whether that will do any good for the prospects of the Indian team).