ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Tony116]

Once again, there are attempts to reform the ICC voting structure, to be discussed during the board meeting next month:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2022/09/21/a-push-for-full-membership-to-be-scrapped-amid-proposed-cricket-governance-overhaul/

I am not expecting much, and even the proposals doesn't sound unbiased. Once again, they want to distribute funds based on performance of the teams, which would result in more teams importing players from India and Pakistan and then fielding a playing XI comprised of zero citizens.

BTW, Emirates Cricket Board boss Mubashshir Usmani has once again renewed his demand for full membership status for the United Arab Emirates. If granted, it will just destroy associate cricket. A large chunk of the funds earmarked for associates will be eaten up by a team that has no citizens in the team, and they will use that funds to import more mercenary players.

Right, when everyone is talking about reducing the number of foreign players on the team it feels like ICC is trying to give more credibility to this. They are not at all worried about improving cricket as a game. All they are concerned about is generating more revenue and doing so as quickly as possible. I strongly believe that if the fund is distributed based on performance, then it would be extremely unfair for those teams, which are actually made up of players from their own country, to receive money from the fund. If that happens usually every team is going to try to get foreign players on the team. For some reason, I think that it is going to be a really bad decision for the future of cricket.

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[Theones]

Once again, there are attempts to reform the ICC voting structure, to be discussed during the board meeting next month:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2022/09/21/a-push-for-full-membership-to-be-scrapped-amid-proposed-cricket-governance-overhaul/

I am not expecting much, and even the proposals doesn't sound unbiased. Once again, they want to distribute funds based on performance of the teams, which would result in more teams importing players from India and Pakistan and then fielding a playing XI comprised of zero citizens.

BTW, Emirates Cricket Board boss Mubashshir Usmani has once again renewed his demand for full membership status for the United Arab Emirates. If granted, it will just destroy associate cricket. A large chunk of the funds earmarked for associates will be eaten up by a team that has no citizens in the team, and they will use that funds to import more mercenary players.

Right, when everyone is talking about reducing the number of foreign players on the team it feels like ICC is trying to give more credibility to this. They are not at all worried about improving cricket as a game. All they are concerned about is generating more revenue and doing so as quickly as possible. I strongly believe that if the fund is distributed based on performance, then it would be extremely unfair for those teams, which are actually made up of players from their own country, to receive money from the fund. If that happens usually every team is going to try to get foreign players on the team. For some reason, I think that it is going to be a really bad decision for the future of cricket.

ICC is now more concerned about menting money and less on promoting cricket
some rich country can buy players but the real essence of playing for the country is lost then

[BobK71]

From ICC and the broadcaster's point of view, 70% of revenue loss is not so little and it comes from just 1 source.

We've discussed many times here and everyone is very critical on how unfair is to organize only 10-12 team WC, including the qualification process. But at the same time we have to be practical as well, after all, this money subsidizes cricket in smaller cricketing nations.

If the ICC want to limit the number of teams to 10 or 12, it is OK. But then there should be a fair qualification pathway. What happens now is that ODI ranking decides the 8 slots (where associate nations are not included), and the qualification tournament decides only the last two slots. In other sports, direct qualification is provided to only one team (hosts). Even giving direct entry to 2-3 teams is OK. But doing so for 80% of the participants is a sham. In FIFA World Cup, even teams like Brazil and Germany needs to play the qualifying tournament.

Right now cricket is not played by majority of countries as compare to football. ICC should introduce cricket in different countries to make it qualifying process more diverse and fair. Cricket is for now limited to few countries that's y we have lesser teams and unfair competition, with diversity there comes fair rankings.

ICC is trying to do that even though it is late. Maybe it could have been done more strongly. If you look at the ICC ranking list, there are 20 countries named included. Cricket has just started in those countries. Matches with good teams may seem boring to many. Because those matches will be one sided. It will take a long time to resolve all this.

[DanWalker]

From ICC and the broadcaster's point of view, 70% of revenue loss is not so little and it comes from just 1 source.
We've discussed many times here and everyone is very critical on how unfair is to organize only 10-12 team WC, including the qualification process. But at the same time we have to be practical as well, after all, this money subsidizes cricket in smaller cricketing nations.

If the ICC want to limit the number of teams to 10 or 12, it is OK. But then there should be a fair qualification pathway. What happens now is that ODI ranking decides the 8 slots (where associate nations are not included), and the qualification tournament decides only the last two slots. In other sports, direct qualification is provided to only one team (hosts). Even giving direct entry to 2-3 teams is OK. But doing so for 80% of the participants is a sham. In FIFA World Cup, even teams like Brazil and Germany needs to play the qualifying tournament.

Right now cricket is not played by majority of countries as compare to football. ICC should introduce cricket in different countries to make it qualifying process more diverse and fair. Cricket is for now limited to few countries that's y we have lesser teams and unfair competition, with diversity there comes fair rankings.

ICC is trying to do that even though it is late. Maybe it could have been done more strongly. If you look at the ICC ranking list, there are 20 countries named included. Cricket has just started in those countries. Matches with good teams may seem boring to many. Because those matches will be one sided. It will take a long time to resolve all this.

I agree with @Sithara007 because I really think that the qualification process is not fair in the ICC in almost any competition. And not only talking about the men's competition. We have recently seen how unfair it was for Thailand women not to get qualified. Instead, ICC decided to give the spot to Pakistani women.

@BobK71 you are right, that even though ICC is actually trying to do better it probably seems too late. The era of test cricket and One-Day Internationals are going to be dead very soon. The era of T20 and t10 is going to start very soon as well and ICC will not have any options other than increasing the number of teams in the tournaments.

[Theones]

I agree with @Sithara007 because I really think that the qualification process is not fair in the ICC in almost any competition. And not only talking about the men's competition. We have recently seen how unfair it was for Thailand women not to get qualified. Instead, ICC decided to give the spot to Pakistani women.

@BobK71 you are right, that even though ICC is actually trying to do better it probably seems too late. The era of test cricket and One-Day Internationals are going to be dead very soon. The era of T20 and t10 is going to start very soon as well and ICC will not have any options other than increasing the number of teams in the tournaments.

I believe people are not liking test cricket much
they are. more fan of fast cricket - the coulour and glittz is always so attractive to the people and fan

[Vaskiy]

@BobK71 you are right, that even though ICC is actually trying to do better it probably seems too late. The era of test cricket and One-Day Internationals are going to be dead very soon. The era of T20 and t10 is going to start very soon as well and ICC will not have any options other than increasing the number of teams in the tournaments.

For now ICC doesn't have any other go other than increasing the number of teams. Till date ICC tries to keep everything under control, and having more teams might affect the persons who are in the top authority. Real cricket lovers always stays with the test cricket, but the revenue making and time constraints have moved people to watch T20 and T10 matches more than the test and ODI matches.

[Sithara007]

For now ICC doesn't have any other go other than increasing the number of teams. Till date ICC tries to keep everything under control, and having more teams might affect the persons who are in the top authority. Real cricket lovers always stays with the test cricket, but the revenue making and time constraints have moved people to watch T20 and T10 matches more than the test and ODI matches.

The number of teams is being increased. But the problem is that most of the teams that qualify are "fake" national teams without any native players. And that is not going to do anything towards increasing the popularity of cricket. And in order to waste resources, the ICC need to cut down the number of test matches. Test cricket is dying, and there is no point in diverting the resources to a losing cause when it can be better utilized elsewhere. 3-4 test matches a year should be enough, and remaining time should be devoted to T20 cricket. 

[coinerer]

For now ICC doesn't have any other go other than increasing the number of teams. Till date ICC tries to keep everything under control, and having more teams might affect the persons who are in the top authority. Real cricket lovers always stays with the test cricket, but the revenue making and time constraints have moved people to watch T20 and T10 matches more than the test and ODI matches.

The number of teams is being increased. But the problem is that most of the teams that qualify are "fake" national teams without any native players. And that is not going to do anything towards increasing the popularity of cricket. And in order to waste resources, the ICC need to cut down the number of test matches. Test cricket is dying, and there is no point in diverting the resources to a losing cause when it can be better utilized elsewhere. 3-4 test matches a year should be enough, and remaining time should be devoted to T20 cricket.  

Yes this is true. When the viewers or audiences are losing interest, investment in test matches are expected to nothing but losses. Especially in Asia, the importance of test match is reduced day by day. Local cricket boards are not willing to keep test match in the series. Since T20 has more viewers, ICC should give more importance to T20 along with ODI format.

[Vaskiy]

For now ICC doesn't have any other go other than increasing the number of teams. Till date ICC tries to keep everything under control, and having more teams might affect the persons who are in the top authority. Real cricket lovers always stays with the test cricket, but the revenue making and time constraints have moved people to watch T20 and T10 matches more than the test and ODI matches.

The number of teams is being increased. But the problem is that most of the teams that qualify are "fake" national teams without any native players. And that is not going to do anything towards increasing the popularity of cricket. And in order to waste resources, the ICC need to cut down the number of test matches. Test cricket is dying, and there is no point in diverting the resources to a losing cause when it can be better utilized elsewhere. 3-4 test matches a year should be enough, and remaining time should be devoted to T20 cricket.  

Yes this is true. When the viewers or audiences are losing interest, investment in test matches are expected to nothing but losses. Especially in Asia, the importance of test match is reduced day by day. Local cricket boards are not willing to keep test match in the series. Since T20 has more viewers, ICC should give more importance to T20 along with ODI format.

Test cricket have got its audience. Even now most of the audience of test cricket were the people of 80's and 90's. Every bilateral series to have atleast a test match will improve the test cricketing. Very few cricket boards are in financial problem, rest of the countries can spend on test matches. ICC have been prioritising T20 and ODI for revenue.

[DanWalker]

For now ICC doesn't have any other go other than increasing the number of teams. Till date ICC tries to keep everything under control, and having more teams might affect the persons who are in the top authority. Real cricket lovers always stays with the test cricket, but the revenue making and time constraints have moved people to watch T20 and T10 matches more than the test and ODI matches.

The number of teams is being increased. But the problem is that most of the teams that qualify are "fake" national teams without any native players. And that is not going to do anything towards increasing the popularity of cricket. And in order to waste resources, the ICC need to cut down the number of test matches. Test cricket is dying, and there is no point in diverting the resources to a losing cause when it can be better utilized elsewhere. 3-4 test matches a year should be enough, and remaining time should be devoted to T20 cricket. 

I have to say that if there are absolutely no native players in a team, it is certain that the team and also the board are just trying to make some business through cricket. Eventually, that is not going to do any help for cricket in the long run. The only thing that is going to be done is those teams are going to beat the other teams which actually have native players and destroy any chances of them growing. ICC tries to do a lot of things to improve the current situation of cricket. But behind those decisions the main priority is money. Improvement of Cricket should not be the second priority of the sports body that controls cricket.

[Sithara007]

Yes this is true. When the viewers or audiences are losing interest, investment in test matches are expected to nothing but losses. Especially in Asia, the importance of test match is reduced day by day. Local cricket boards are not willing to keep test match in the series. Since T20 has more viewers, ICC should give more importance to T20 along with ODI format.

I don't agree with this. Most of the teams still play 8 to 12 test matches per year, which translates to 40 to 60 days of test cricket. Much less amount of time is devoted for T20 cricket (if we count only international cricket and not the franchise leagues). IMO, there is no point for a team in playing more than 3-4 test matches, given the popularity of this specific format and the revenue it bring. In case they have separate teams for different formats, the this issue doesn't arise. But that is not the case now.   

[Juggy777]

Yes this is true. When the viewers or audiences are losing interest, investment in test matches are expected to nothing but losses. Especially in Asia, the importance of test match is reduced day by day. Local cricket boards are not willing to keep test match in the series. Since T20 has more viewers, ICC should give more importance to T20 along with ODI format.

I don't agree with this. Most of the teams still play 8 to 12 test matches per year, which translates to 40 to 60 days of test cricket. Much less amount of time is devoted for T20 cricket (if we count only international cricket and not the franchise leagues). IMO, there is no point for a team in playing more than 3-4 test matches, given the popularity of this specific format and the revenue it bring. In case they have separate teams for different formats, the this issue doesn't arise. But that is not the case now.   

@Sithara007 the ODI format can be revamped by changing the existing rules for power play, and by arranging more Night ODI matches. Lastly in my personal opinion the ODI is a lucrative format that ICC will continue, but it needs more changes otherwise people will soon lose interest in this format too, thus it’ll be interesting to see what kind of changes does ICC implement for the ODI format.

[JSRAW]

I don't agree with this. Most of the teams still play 8 to 12 test matches per year, which translates to 40 to 60 days of test cricket. Much less amount of time is devoted for T20 cricket (if we count only international cricket and not the franchise leagues). IMO, there is no point for a team in playing more than 3-4 test matches, given the popularity of this specific format and the revenue it bring. In case they have separate teams for different formats, the this issue doesn't arise. But that is not the case now.   

@Sithara007 the ODI format can be revamped by changing the existing rules for power play, and by arranging more Night ODI matches. Lastly in my personal opinion the ODI is a lucrative format that ICC will continue, but it needs more changes otherwise people will soon lose interest in this format too, thus it’ll be interesting to see what kind of changes does ICC implement for the ODI format.

The current powerplay system isn't very bad tho.

Day/Night matches are also doing okay. Maybe it would be good if they come to some sort of consensus on boundaries, like minimum 75 meter boundaries (which should be implemented in T-20 too).

[pakhitheboss]

India VS South Africa

The first ODI will be played tomorrow. In total 3 ODI's will be played between these two teams. All three would be day and night matches. After defeating South Africa for the first time in T20 series in India, I am sure the men in blue would be trying to do the same in this ODI series. The Indian side will have a lot of new talents and it would be interesting to watch them.

[Sithara007]

@Sithara007 the ODI format can be revamped by changing the existing rules for power play, and by arranging more Night ODI matches. Lastly in my personal opinion the ODI is a lucrative format that ICC will continue, but it needs more changes otherwise people will soon lose interest in this format too, thus it’ll be interesting to see what kind of changes does ICC implement for the ODI format.

ODI is lucrative, because an ODI match lasts for 7 hours compared to 3 hours for a T20I match. The number of advertisements that can be shown is greater, and even after taking in to account lower prices for the ODI ad space, I believe that in the end revenues from a single ODI match is more than that from a single T20I match. But the big question is whether this situation will remain in the long run. Younger fans are more interested in T20 format, and with every passing year people are having less amount of spare time to watch sports events.

[laurenB7742]

@Sithara007 the ODI format can be revamped by changing the existing rules for power play, and by arranging more Night ODI matches. Lastly in my personal opinion the ODI is a lucrative format that ICC will continue, but it needs more changes otherwise people will soon lose interest in this format too, thus it’ll be interesting to see what kind of changes does ICC implement for the ODI format.

ODI is lucrative, because an ODI match lasts for 7 hours compared to 3 hours for a T20I match. The number of advertisements that can be shown is greater, and even after taking in to account lower prices for the ODI ad space, I believe that in the end revenues from a single ODI match is more than that from a single T20I match. But the big question is whether this situation will remain in the long run. Younger fans are more interested in T20 format, and with every passing year people are having less amount of spare time to watch sports events.

I think with time people are going to be much more interested in those sports which are not so time-consuming like cricket and move towards those sports which take less time like football or UFC.

A simple reason why boxing is so popular is because it is very easy to understand and it does not take two or three hours to watch a boxing match. It didn't take two or three hours even when it was 15 rounds per match. I think obviously cricket is going to need ad revenue. And there are still a lot of people very interested in ODI cricket. People who generally actually like to see some skillful gameplay instead of smashing everything out of the field. But at the same time, it is also true that ODI cricket is also going to die just like test cricket if changes are not made.

[DanWalker]

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In current world every sport's organization is working on this motto more profit more facilities and better structure for their teams and players so if ICC is doing this we have no issue because this is happening for development of the game and increasing teams is also not issue but right now biggest threat is they are not working on solid policies which is surely killing the beauty of this game and many countries which are going with their native players are suffering because they have no enough quality right now, and they can improve, but they need funds and help from ICC which is not providing from them right now.

Many Gulf region countries are coming with fake teams which is surely no good same happening in few European teams and Canada as well, so they must think about this and bring good fair policy which help otherwise it's all just waste of time nothing else.

Really don't understand how having teams made out of foreign players can help the game at all.

If anything I think the biggest problem in cricket right now is teams and cricket boards not having equal rights with each other. Even the boating system looks unfair to me in cricket. All of these are done because the top 4 or the big four want to stay in power. And the ICC is also getting the most amount of money from these teams. So, the ICC is also not doing something about it.

If the teams can always be made out of 11 foreign players the poor cricket boards are always going to suffer because they are always going to try to find genuine talent. That's because foreigners don't go to those countries for opportunities.

[eaLiTy]

The first ODI will be played tomorrow. In total 3 ODI's will be played between these two teams. All three would be day and night matches. After defeating South Africa for the first time in T20 series in India, I am sure the men in blue would be trying to do the same in this ODI series. The Indian side will have a lot of new talents and it would be interesting to watch them.

India is not taking this ODI series seriously and you can understand that with the team that is announced for the series. All the main players are preparing for the upcoming T20 World Cup and even the coach will be flying to Australia while a second string India will be facing South Africa but on the other hand it is an important series for South Africa as they will be looking to get league points for the ODI World Cup.

[Sithara007]

India is not taking this ODI series seriously and you can understand that with the team that is announced for the series. All the main players are preparing for the upcoming T20 World Cup and even the coach will be flying to Australia while a second string India will be facing South Africa but on the other hand it is an important series for South Africa as they will be looking to get league points for the ODI World Cup.

The series may not be important for India, but it is extremely important for South Africa. The Proteas need to avoid a whitewash. If they lose by 0-3, then their chances of assuring direct qualification for the 2023 ODI World Cup will be slim. 2-1 series victory would be good, but even a 1-2 defeat won't be too bad for South Africa. And after this they have 3 ODI matches against Australia and 2 against Netherlands. If they lose all the matches, then they are out of the direct qualification even if they win all the remaining 5 matches. 

[JSRAW]

The first ODI will be played tomorrow. In total 3 ODI's will be played between these two teams. All three would be day and night matches. After defeating South Africa for the first time in T20 series in India, I am sure the men in blue would be trying to do the same in this ODI series. The Indian side will have a lot of new talents and it would be interesting to watch them.

India is not taking this ODI series seriously and you can understand that with the team that is announced for the series. All the main players are preparing for the upcoming T20 World Cup and even the coach will be flying to Australia while a second string India will be facing South Africa but on the other hand it is an important series for South Africa as they will be looking to get league points for the ODI World Cup.

Because they are not worried about qualification due to hosting rights, which ensure automatic entry to the host nation, then there is WC. This bilateral tour was just a practice series and a kind of a waste of time, even Ind vs Aus series too. Tbh I really don't understand, they know WC is in Australia and for some weird reason Australian team visiting India for random T-20 series.

And Proteas only have themselves to blame for being in a such tricky situation, they canceled the ODI series against Australia to facilitate their domestic league.