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[BobK71]

India vs South Africa, ODI Series
The way they performed in the last T20 match, I must say that they will not go away from this series easily. But it is true that ODI cricket and T20 are not the same. In African cricket team there are 3 or 4 batsman are good enough to score more runs. Especially De Kock, Rossouw, Aiden Markram and David Miller are renowned batsman in the world cricket. I deserve that they will perform well in this ODI cricket.

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[JSRAW]

What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.

Guess Proteas has enough runs on the board.

[Swordsoffreedom]

What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.

Although Indian players have improved in the batting sector, they are now very weak in fielding and bowling. A few days ago, Indian players used to do amazing fielding. I'd say now they've gotten a bit lazy so that's what's happening. Players should be more professional and responsible.

South Africa set a target of 250 runs in 40 overs. Quite a good collection. India must collect more than 6 per over if they want to win. Shikhar Dhawan and Shubman Gill returned to the fold with 4 and 3 runs respectively. At the end of 12 overs, India collected only 30 runs. I don't think winning this match is possible if you bat like this.

[onecall123]

What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.

Although Indian players have improved in the batting sector, they are now very weak in fielding and bowling. A few days ago, Indian players used to do amazing fielding. I'd say now they've gotten a bit lazy so that's what's happening. Players should be more professional and responsible.

South Africa set a target of 250 runs in 40 overs. Quite a good collection. India must collect more than 6 per over if they want to win. Shikhar Dhawan and Shubman Gill returned to the fold with 4 and 3 runs respectively. At the end of 12 overs, India collected only 30 runs. I don't think winning this match is possible if you bat like this.

David Miller and Heinrich Klaasen have worked together to take SA from 110-4 to 249-4. The target South Africa set was good. Does the quality of Indian teams decline with time? There was a clear quality difference in both bowling attacks, with SA faring better. As a result of poor fielding and poor bowling, India failed to produce quality batting. There are four wickets down for India as South African bowlers are on a roll. The ball has been handled superbly by South Africa so far!

[Sithara007]

What is going on? Looks like a fixed match. In a match where the the required run rate is greater than 6 runs per over, Shikhar Dhawan made 4 runs from 16 balls. Shubman Gill made 3 runs from 7 balls. Ruturaj Gaikwad and Ishan Kishan both had strike rate of less than 50. This is not the way to play, if they actually wanted to win the match. And I perfectly understand if they want to help South Africa with the world cup qualification. Proteas desperately needed a win in this series, and now they got that.

[Minecache]

What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.

Although Indian players have improved in the batting sector, they are now very weak in fielding and bowling. A few days ago, Indian players used to do amazing fielding. I'd say now they've gotten a bit lazy so that's what's happening. Players should be more professional and responsible.

South Africa set a target of 250 runs in 40 overs. Quite a good collection. India must collect more than 6 per over if they want to win. Shikhar Dhawan and Shubman Gill returned to the fold with 4 and 3 runs respectively. At the end of 12 overs, India collected only 30 runs. I don't think winning this match is possible if you bat like this.

David Miller and Heinrich Klaasen have worked together to take SA from 110-4 to 249-4. The target South Africa set was good. Does the quality of Indian teams decline with time? There was a clear quality difference in both bowling attacks, with SA faring better. As a result of poor fielding and poor bowling, India failed to produce quality batting. There are four wickets down for India as South African bowlers are on a roll. The ball has been handled superbly by South Africa so far!

Quinton de Kock and David Miller have continued their performances. de Kock scored 48 and Millar remained unbeaten on 75. Temba Bavuma continued his poor performance. Even in today's match, he returned to the dressing room after collecting only 8 runs. 250 runs in 40 overs was a big enough target.
India collected 191 runs in 366 overs. Samson and Shardul are batting well enough. But the performance of India's top-order players was very disappointing. India collected only 45 runs in the first 15 overs. If the top-order players played well, India would have been able to win this match for sure.

[eaLiTy]

What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.

Guess Proteas has enough runs on the board.

It is a young team and may be ring rust as they are not playing much to get into the rhythm and hence leaking runs in the field and missing catches  . Looks like South Africa got enough runs on board as India need 44 runs from 18 balls even with Sanju Samson and Shardul Thakur in the crease it is a difficult target as one wicket here will expose the tail end players.

Edit: Shardul Thakur is gone.

Kuldeep Yadav is gone the next ball.

[pakhitheboss]

BCCI wants SA to qualify for the ODIWC!
1. They dropped easy four catch.
2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.
3. Lower order throwing wickets by hitting shots which are nothing but lofted catches.
4. BCCI testing with new players in this series.

[laurenB7742]

What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.
Guess Proteas has enough runs on the board.

It is a young team and may be ring rust as they are not playing much to get into the rhythm and hence leaking runs in the field and missing catches  . Looks like South Africa got enough runs on board as India need 44 runs from 18 balls even with Sanju Samson and Shardul Thakur in the crease it is a difficult target as one wicket here will expose the tail end players.

Edit: Shardul Thakur is gone.
Kuldeep Yadav is gone the next ball.

India lost by just 10 runs. I thought India couldn't score more than 200-210. But with the help of Sanju Samson and Shreyes Iyer's brilliant batting, India managed to collect 240 runs. Samson scored 86 runs off 63 balls and Iyer managed to score 50 runs off 37 balls. India lost the match due to a poor performance by the top order batsmen. At the same time, Indian players missed a lot of fielding in this match. If the Indian players had performed a little carefully, they would have been able to win this match quite easily. Because India's batsmen are talented enough.

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2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.

I freaking hate his guts now, I used to give him benefit of doubts most of time but he fucked up tonight.

He was supposed to take a strike and not rely on a tailender, don't know why he let him play full over and that too crucial 39th over.

Guess he was just playing for records or securing his place in the playing XI.

. Edit: Shardul Thakur is gone.

Virtually no beef with Lord Thakur.

[Sithara007]

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2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.

I freaking hate his guts now, I used to give him benefit of doubts most of time but he fucked up tonight.

He was supposed to take a strike and not rely on a tailender, don't know why he let him play full over and that too crucial 39th over.

Guess he was just playing for records or securing his place in the playing XI.

Exactly the reason why the selectors are not very fond of him. Even as the captain of the Rajasthan Royals, he attracted a lot of criticism for his bias. He insisted on including Riyan Parag over Karun Nair, just because his relation with the latter was not good. Anyway, Samson is just another over-rated guy, just like Siraj and Saini. These guys don't have the capability to guide the team to a win. He really has an attitude problem and his inclusion in the playing XI doesn't do a lot of good to the team bonding.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

India vs South Africa, ODI Series
The way they performed in the last T20 match, I must say that they will not go away from this series easily. But it is true that ODI cricket and T20 are not the same. In African cricket team there are 3 or 4 batsman are good enough to score more runs. Especially De Kock, Rossouw, Aiden Markram and David Miller are renowned batsman in the world cricket. I deserve that they will perform well in this ODI cricket.

South Africa bat first and gave an excellent target of 249 runs 4 wickets (40 overs) great batting by David Miller, Heinrich Klaseen and qunitin de kock. India on other hand is not performing well balling and batting both sides.
All of their important players are not playing in this match seems like they are not taking these ODI's seriously.

[Haunebu]

BCCI wants SA to qualify for the ODIWC!
1. They dropped easy four catch.
2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.
3. Lower order throwing wickets by hitting shots which are nothing but lofted catches.
4. BCCI testing with new players in this series.

Lol. Sure looks like it. I never expected India to get this close to the target when it looked like South Africa would win comfortably against them thanks to Dhawan and some other players playing like crap.

Samson relying on a tail-ender towards the end was so weird. Indian fielding seriously needs to improve across all formats.

[Sithara007]

Lol. Sure looks like it. I never expected India to get this close to the target when it looked like South Africa would win comfortably against them thanks to Dhawan and some other players playing like crap.

Samson relying on a tail-ender towards the end was so weird. Indian fielding seriously needs to improve across all formats.

LOL.. there seems to be some sort of a deal between South Africa and the BCCI. Maybe the BCCI will help South Africa to qualify for the world cup. In return, CSA can support the BCCI nominee (N Srinivasan) for the post of ICC chairman. Anyway, South Africa qualifying for the world cup will give more diversity to the tournament. We need at least one team from the African continent. If Sri Lanka fails to qualify, then I don't care much. We already have over-representation from the South-Asian region.

[Mahdirakib]

What is going on? Looks like a fixed match. In a match where the the required run rate is greater than 6 runs per over, Shikhar Dhawan made 4 runs from 16 balls. Shubman Gill made 3 runs from 7 balls. Ruturaj Gaikwad and Ishan Kishan both had strike rate of less than 50. This is not the way to play, if they actually wanted to win the match. And I perfectly understand if they want to help South Africa with the world cup qualification. Proteas desperately needed a win in this series, and now they got that.

Maybe the openers were trying to get set in batting with a slow start. Unfortunately, they lost their wickets quickly, then the new two batsmen were under pressure for that. Ruturaj Gaikwad and Ishan Kishan has played slowly so that India doesn't loss more wickets quickly. However, their slow batting style is a bit questionable. Their run rate was only 3 after 15 overs, where the required run rate was above 6 from the start of the match.

[romero121]

More suspicious activities have taken place during the match, and only one incident makes me not believe on the match fixing. Shardul Thakur doesn't need to score good and even if he have lost his wicket earlier no one gonna rise a question. During the 37th over he made good runs and brought momentum to India, then the consecutive wicket fall have caused India loss the match.

[Sithara007]

More suspicious activities have taken place during the match, and only one incident makes me not believe on the match fixing. Shardul Thakur doesn't need to score good and even if he have lost his wicket earlier no one gonna rise a question. During the 37th over he made good runs and brought momentum to India, then the consecutive wicket fall have caused India loss the match.

1. Slow start from Shikhar Dhawan and Shubman Gill
2. Poor strike rate from Ruturaj Gaikwad and Ishan Kishan
3. Samson's refusal to take strike during the final overs

There were a lot of red flags in this match, and I have pointed out just some of them. Anyway, Sri Lankans and the West Indians are not going to be happy about the outcome of this match. I am waiting for the reaction from them.

[kro55]

What is going on? Looks like a fixed match. In a match where the the required run rate is greater than 6 runs per over, Shikhar Dhawan made 4 runs from 16 balls. Shubman Gill made 3 runs from 7 balls. Ruturaj Gaikwad and Ishan Kishan both had strike rate of less than 50. This is not the way to play, if they actually wanted to win the match. And I perfectly understand if they want to help South Africa with the world cup qualification. Proteas desperately needed a win in this series, and now they got that.

Maybe the openers were trying to get set in batting with a slow start. Unfortunately, they lost their wickets quickly, then the new two batsmen were under pressure for that. Ruturaj Gaikwad and Ishan Kishan has played slowly so that India doesn't loss more wickets quickly. However, their slow batting style is a bit questionable. Their run rate was only 3 after 15 overs, where the required run rate was above 6 from the start of the match.

There is something I really don't understand about this. I get it was really hard for India to start. But the number of balls that they took to get set, the number of balls that each batsman wasted was unbelievable.

In the end, India did try to make up the run rate. However, it was too challenging for the later batsmen to handle.

Obviously, it would be a little too much to say that it was a fixed match. In spite of this, the Indian top order had a really poor performance.

But I have to give credit to South Africa. They set a target of 250 in 40 overs. Which is not bad at all. And combined with the bowling that they did at the start of the second innings to get a real grip on the match was really unbelievable. This was the first ODI and South Africa is leading 1-0.

[teosanru]

I really don't know about the fixing angle of the match but yes this could have been a win for India, start and middle order batting was slow but toward the last 5 overa match was obviously in India's pocket. When Sanju got out I thought match is over but when it was a no ball I thought now India is invincible but honestly Sanju couldn't do anything after that. The problem he doesn't gets highlighted to the selectors is because he plays such knocks but fails to take India to the win which is very necessary to become hero these days. You have to be a match winner to get attention.

[crunck]

More suspicious activities have taken place during the match, and only one incident makes me not believe on the match fixing. Shardul Thakur doesn't need to score good and even if he have lost his wicket earlier no one gonna rise a question. During the 37th over he made good runs and brought momentum to India, then the consecutive wicket fall have caused India loss the match.

1. Slow start from Shikhar Dhawan and Shubman Gill
2. Poor strike rate from Ruturaj Gaikwad and Ishan Kishan
3. Samson's refusal to take strike during the final overs
There were a lot of red flags in this match, and I have pointed out just some of them. Anyway, Sri Lankans and the West Indians are not going to be happy about the outcome of this match. I am waiting for the reaction from them.

I would say the main reason for India's loss in this match is their poor fielding and very slow batting. India could have won the match if they had not batted slowly at the beginning of the innings. India scored only 24 runs in the first 10 overs. India would have won the match if Shikhar Dhawan, Gaikwad, and Ishan Kishan didn't waste a lot of balls.