ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[romero121]

More suspicious activities have taken place during the match, and only one incident makes me not believe on the match fixing. Shardul Thakur doesn't need to score good and even if he have lost his wicket earlier no one gonna rise a question. During the 37th over he made good runs and brought momentum to India, then the consecutive wicket fall have caused India loss the match.

1. Slow start from Shikhar Dhawan and Shubman Gill
2. Poor strike rate from Ruturaj Gaikwad and Ishan Kishan
3. Samson's refusal to take strike during the final overs

There were a lot of red flags in this match, and I have pointed out just some of them. Anyway, Sri Lankans and the West Indians are not going to be happy about the outcome of this match. I am waiting for the reaction from them.

Going through each and every act of the players it is quite evident, but will a country fool it's people with these kind of acts. What you've mentioned have created some questions in me, Rabada conceded 10 runs in 5 overs and later Thakur batted good in his ball. When Thakur is able to bat, why can't the opening batsmen weren't able to perform well. Shame of the cricket boards.

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[fuguebtc]

More suspicious activities have taken place during the match, and only one incident makes me not believe on the match fixing. Shardul Thakur doesn't need to score good and even if he have lost his wicket earlier no one gonna rise a question. During the 37th over he made good runs and brought momentum to India, then the consecutive wicket fall have caused India loss the match.

1. Slow start from Shikhar Dhawan and Shubman Gill
2. Poor strike rate from Ruturaj Gaikwad and Ishan Kishan
3. Samson's refusal to take strike during the final overs
There were a lot of red flags in this match, and I have pointed out just some of them. Anyway, Sri Lankans and the West Indians are not going to be happy about the outcome of this match. I am waiting for the reaction from them.

Going through each and every act of the players it is quite evident, but will a country fool it's people with these kind of acts. What you've mentioned have created some questions in me, Rabada conceded 10 runs in 5 overs and later Thakur batted good in his ball. When Thakur is able to bat, why can't the opening batsmen weren't able to perform well. Shame of the cricket boards.

I didn't expect top order experienced batsmen like Shikhar Dhawan, Ishan Kishan and Gaikwad to bat so stupidly. They are talented players. So the team expects really good performance from them. But I didn't think they would bat that badly. If they perform like that stupid, they won't get a place in India squad. Because BCCI has a lot of talented players. So if the players are out of form for a few days, they will lose the chance to play with the Indian squad.

[Sithara007]

I would say the main reason for India's loss in this match is their poor fielding and very slow batting. India could have won the match if they had not batted slowly at the beginning of the innings. India scored only 24 runs in the first 10 overs. India would have won the match if Shikhar Dhawan, Gaikwad, and Ishan Kishan didn't waste a lot of balls.

Do you really think that it was unintentional?

If a team scores just 24 runs from the first 10 overs in a 40 over match, where the required run rate is more than 6 runs per over, then it raises a lot of questions. Also, during the last 10 overs in the South African innings, it looked as if the Indian bowlers were not even trying to stem the flow of runs. And India doesn't lose anything from the outcome. West Indies, Ireland and Sri Lanka are the teams that are going to be affected. And I am sure that these teams will closely analyze the match and do the required.

[wiss19]

BCCI wants SA to qualify for the ODIWC!
1. They dropped easy four catch.
2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.
3. Lower order throwing wickets by hitting shots which are nothing but lofted catches.
4. BCCI testing with new players in this series.

Even I agreed about these all points but here we were also waiting for response from few other boards as well as Sri Lanka and West Indies because this is useless series which held just for the help of South Africa and many other points are also showing how things are going to help visitors for winning this series and having their chance for qualifying into ODI WC which is surely no fair for all other qualifiers and this type gesture surely going to be brought many negative aspects in future as well because here a board is involved in this corruption.

Specially when all teams are heading for T20 world cup and South Africa which is good team refuse to play in Australia an ODI but now playing here a useless series which having not positive outcome for hostess as well just they want to give Super League points to visitors for direct qualification another negative tactics from BCCI in this game history.

[Sithara007]

Even I agreed about these all points but here we were also waiting for response from few other boards as well as Sri Lanka and West Indies because this is useless series which held just for the help of South Africa and many other points are also showing how things are going to help visitors for winning this series and having their chance for qualifying into ODI WC which is surely no fair for all other qualifiers and this type gesture surely going to be brought many negative aspects in future as well because here a board is involved in this corruption.

Specially when all teams are heading for T20 world cup and South Africa which is good team refuse to play in Australia an ODI but now playing here a useless series which having not positive outcome for hostess as well just they want to give Super League points to visitors for direct qualification another negative tactics from BCCI in this game history.

This entire world cup qualification scenario looks laughable. This is the issue when the ICC can't come up with a proper qualification process where each team has to play the global qualifiers. And I still don't know why South Africa decided to cancel the series against Australia. They could have simply postponed it. For example, they are rescheduling the remaining two matches against Netherlands to March 2023. Why can't they do the same with Australia. Anyway, the win against India will lift them to a very comfortable position within the ODI super league.

[SirLancelot]

India vs South Africa, ODI Series
The way they performed in the last T20 match, I must say that they will not go away from this series easily. But it is true that ODI cricket and T20 are not the same. In African cricket team there are 3 or 4 batsman are good enough to score more runs. Especially De Kock, Rossouw, Aiden Markram and David Miller are renowned batsman in the world cricket. I deserve that they will perform well in this ODI cricket.

South Africa bat first and gave an excellent target of 249 runs 4 wickets (40 overs) great batting by David Miller, Heinrich Klaseen and qunitin de kock. India on other hand is not performing well balling and batting both sides.
All of their important players are not playing in this match seems like they are not taking these ODI's seriously.

In a suspicious match which needed to be had investigation what the hell is going to on here Miller and Klaasen done good partnership which give them a good target of 249 runs in just 40 overs match, and they manage to win this match with the help of Indian batting line up which never been in this match for win top four batsmen done enough work for giving good chance of win to visitors and wasted too many deliveries for having their 51/4 in 17 overs is showing how things are going into this match.

Samson and Thakur done good job at the end and India fail to achieve this target in their 40 overs with lost this match by 9 runs Kagiso Rabada and Keshav Maharaj were economical in this chase with all others have some punishment from Indian specially Shamsi 89 from his 8 overs.

[ibuddy122505]

India vs South Africa, ODI Series
The way they performed in the last T20 match, I must say that they will not go away from this series easily. But it is true that ODI cricket and T20 are not the same. In African cricket team there are 3 or 4 batsman are good enough to score more runs. Especially De Kock, Rossouw, Aiden Markram and David Miller are renowned batsman in the world cricket. I deserve that they will perform well in this ODI cricket.

South Africa bat first and gave an excellent target of 249 runs 4 wickets (40 overs) great batting by David Miller, Heinrich Klaseen and qunitin de kock. India on other hand is not performing well balling and batting both sides.
All of their important players are not playing in this match seems like they are not taking these ODI's seriously.

In a suspicious match which needed to be had investigation what the hell is going to on here Miller and Klaasen done good partnership which give them a good target of 249 runs in just 40 overs match, and they manage to win this match with the help of Indian batting line up which never been in this match for win top four batsmen done enough work for giving good chance of win to visitors and wasted too many deliveries for having their 51/4 in 17 overs is showing how things are going into this match.

Samson and Thakur done good job at the end and India fail to achieve this target in their 40 overs with lost this match by 9 runs Kagiso Rabada and Keshav Maharaj were economical in this chase with all others have some punishment from Indian specially Shamsi 89 from his 8 overs.

The innings was good despite the pressure. In yesterday's match, they both should have won for India. In the beginning, Samson wasted too many deliveries but played a good innings in the end. It would have been better if he had taken more of the strike and won the match. In this match, there was no intention of winning though. It would be great if both batters got good game time. Sanju, a right-handed batsman and wicket keeper, heard was dropped from the world cup squad despite all these performances.

[JSRAW]

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2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.

I freaking hate his guts now, I used to give him benefit of doubts most of time but he fucked up tonight.

He was supposed to take a strike and not rely on a tailender, don't know why he let him play full over and that too crucial 39th over.

Guess he was just playing for records or securing his place in the playing XI.

Exactly the reason why the selectors are not very fond of him. Even as the captain of the Rajasthan Royals, he attracted a lot of criticism for his bias. He insisted on including Riyan Parag over Karun Nair, just because his relation with the latter was not good. Anyway, Samson is just another over-rated guy, just like Siraj and Saini. These guys don't have the capability to guide the team to a win. He really has an attitude problem and his inclusion in the playing XI doesn't do a lot of good to the team bonding.

Well, I still like him as a batter and agreed with the "his attitude" issue but not in context of IPL saga (Riyan Parag vs Karun Nair) as i didn't hear anything about this. I guess it came down to match awareness and you don't expect this sort of thing from any professional cricketer.

Having said that despite all fuckery in the last match I don't buy the notion of fixing, as few here in the thread implying.

[n0ne]

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2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.

I freaking hate his guts now, I used to give him benefit of doubts most of time but he fucked up tonight.

He was supposed to take a strike and not rely on a tailender, don't know why he let him play full over and that too crucial 39th over.

Guess he was just playing for records or securing his place in the playing XI.

Exactly the reason why the selectors are not very fond of him. Even as the captain of the Rajasthan Royals, he attracted a lot of criticism for his bias. He insisted on including Riyan Parag over Karun Nair, just because his relation with the latter was not good. Anyway, Samson is just another over-rated guy, just like Siraj and Saini. These guys don't have the capability to guide the team to a win. He really has an attitude problem and his inclusion in the playing XI doesn't do a lot of good to the team bonding.

Well, I still like him as a batter and agreed with the "his attitude" issue but not in context of IPL saga (Riyan Parag vs Karun Nair) as i didn't hear anything about this. I guess it came down to match awareness and you don't expect this sort of thing from any professional cricketer.

Having said that despite all fuckery in the last match I don't buy the notion of fixing, as few here in the thread implying.

Sanju Samson is a able cricketer. There is discussion going around that the previous ODI loss against South Africa is out of fixing. Being the Rajasthan Royals Captain didn't happen by recommendation, but he has been developed on his performance. Many people have personal connect as he resembles the attitude of a neighbour home person.

[Sithara007]

Well, I still like him as a batter and agreed with the "his attitude" issue but not in context of IPL saga (Riyan Parag vs Karun Nair) as i didn't hear anything about this. I guess it came down to match awareness and you don't expect this sort of thing from any professional cricketer.

Having said that despite all fuckery in the last match I don't buy the notion of fixing, as few here in the thread implying.

I am also not sure whether the match was fixed or not. But it definitely looked as if the Indians had no intent on winning the match. How can anyone justify the score of 24 runs after 10 runs, when a team is chasing and having a required run rate of more than 6 runs per over? The match was not important for India, but it was very significant for the South Africans, because right now they are not in a very comfortable position as far as the ODI World Cup Super League is concerned. Now their chances of remaining in top-8 have improved.

[coinerer]

India vs South Africa, ODI Series
The way they performed in the last T20 match, I must say that they will not go away from this series easily. But it is true that ODI cricket and T20 are not the same. In African cricket team there are 3 or 4 batsman are good enough to score more runs. Especially De Kock, Rossouw, Aiden Markram and David Miller are renowned batsman in the world cricket. I deserve that they will perform well in this ODI cricket.

South Africa bat first and gave an excellent target of 249 runs 4 wickets (40 overs) great batting by David Miller, Heinrich Klaseen and qunitin de kock. India on other hand is not performing well balling and batting both sides.
All of their important players are not playing in this match seems like they are not taking these ODI's seriously.

In a suspicious match which needed to be had investigation what the hell is going to on here Miller and Klaasen done good partnership which give them a good target of 249 runs in just 40 overs match, and they manage to win this match with the help of Indian batting line up which never been in this match for win top four batsmen done enough work for giving good chance of win to visitors and wasted too many deliveries for having their 51/4 in 17 overs is showing how things are going into this match.

Samson and Thakur done good job at the end and India fail to achieve this target in their 40 overs with lost this match by 9 runs Kagiso Rabada and Keshav Maharaj were economical in this chase with all others have some punishment from Indian specially Shamsi 89 from his 8 overs.

They were under pressure early in the innings especially as their early wicket fall proved to be a major obstacle in their game. Shikhar Dhawan did not perform well as captain. Shubman Gill's similar situation keep them in more danger. However, a big innings by Sanju Samson almost took India to victory but it was not possible at the end. The upcoming match is an important match for both the teams.

[Sithara007]

They were under pressure early in the innings especially as their early wicket fall proved to be a major obstacle in their game. Shikhar Dhawan did not perform well as captain. Shubman Gill's similar situation keep them in more danger. However, a big innings by Sanju Samson almost took India to victory but it was not possible at the end. The upcoming match is an important match for both the teams.

Shikhar Dhawan was pathetic. Shubman at least got out when it was clear that he couldn't keep up with the required rate. Samson did well with his individual performance. But in the end, he just refused to take the responsibility and asked the tail-end batsmen to score big hits. For me, it looked as if Samson was just playing for his individual record. A bit more composure and planning from the part of Samson would have changed the outcome of the match. But then we are talking about a match, where none of the Indian players were interested in winning.

[Ayers]

They were under pressure early in the innings especially as their early wicket fall proved to be a major obstacle in their game. Shikhar Dhawan did not perform well as captain. Shubman Gill's similar situation keep them in more danger. However, a big innings by Sanju Samson almost took India to victory but it was not possible at the end. The upcoming match is an important match for both the teams.

Shikhar Dhawan was pathetic. Shubman at least got out when it was clear that he couldn't keep up with the required rate. Samson did well with his individual performance. But in the end, he just refused to take the responsibility and asked the tail-end batsmen to score big hits. For me, it looked as if Samson was just playing for his individual record. A bit more composure and planning from the part of Samson would have changed the outcome of the match. But then we are talking about a match, where none of the Indian players were interested in winning.

One thing that I would like to point out is that I think the Indian bowlers should have been held more accountable for their discipline in this match. India conceded 22 extra runs (including one no-ball and 15 wides), which was a truly terrible showing of discipline by the bowlers. It is possible that India could have won the match if the extra runs had been a little less.

Moreover, in the second innings of the match, South Africa was also responsible for conceding a lot of extra runs (18, including two no-balls and 14 wides), and without the help of South Africa, I truly believe that India would not have been able to even get close to the target. There is no denying the fact that, in the end, it comes down mainly to the poor performance of the Indian openers and the top order as a whole.

[AnotherAlt]

Once again, Today, India Will play against the Visitors of South Africa. Even though India was the favorite in the last match, they had a bit of hard luck. Sanju Samson and Shreyas Iyer Played good cricket, but that wasn't enough for India to reach the target. All Africans Bowlers were doing tight bowling except Tabraiz Shamsi. He was too expensive. Klaasen and Miller Were outstanding with the bat. Klaasen was the man of the match for scoring 74 from 65 Balls. Let's see what happens today.

[n0ne]

2nd ODI toss won by South Africa and decided to bat. The pitch is reported to be dry and there is not much of air and chances for rain. Three player changes made to the South Africa team Hendricks, Nortje and Imaad Fortuin. Mohammad Siraj opens in the bowling spell for India. Malan and De cock have opened the innings for South Africa. De Cock have lost his wicket scoring five runs, bowled wicket by Mohammad Siraj on the third over.

[Naficopa]

Once again, Today, India Will play against the Visitors of South Africa. Even though India was the favorite in the last match, they had a bit of hard luck. Sanju Samson and Shreyas Iyer Played good cricket, but that wasn't enough for India to reach the target. All Africans Bowlers were doing tight bowling except Tabraiz Shamsi. He was too expensive. Klaasen and Miller Were outstanding with the bat. Klaasen was the man of the match for scoring 74 from 65 Balls. Let's see what happens today.

SA elected to bat after winning the toss and they have scored 7 runs and India got important wicket of de kock. No kohli today playing from India side, I don't know whether he is rested or he not playing becasue of some personal reasons. Can somebody please tell that

[Iranus]

2nd ODI toss won by South Africa and decided to bat. The pitch is reported to be dry and there is not much of air and chances for rain. Three player changes made to the South Africa team Hendricks, Nortje and Imaad Fortuin. Mohammad Siraj opens in the bowling spell for India. Malan and De cock have opened the innings for South Africa. De Cock have lost his wicket scoring five runs, bowled wicket by Mohammad Siraj on the third over.

South Africa stumbled after winning the toss and batting. Quinton de Kock lost the crucial wicket. They scored only 10 runs for South Africa in 4 overs. South Africa will have to play very carefully. If South Africa lose one more wicket in 10 overs of powerplay then it will be difficult for South Africa to collect big in this innings. However, even if South Africa wins the first match, I predict India to win today's match. But if they are able to give a target of more than 300, South Africa will have a chance to win. Let's enjoy the match.

[Naficopa]

2nd ODI toss won by South Africa and decided to bat. The pitch is reported to be dry and there is not much of air and chances for rain. Three player changes made to the South Africa team Hendricks, Nortje and Imaad Fortuin. Mohammad Siraj opens in the bowling spell for India. Malan and De cock have opened the innings for South Africa. De Cock have lost his wicket scoring five runs, bowled wicket by Mohammad Siraj on the third over.

South Africa stumbled after winning the toss and batting. Quinton de Kock lost the crucial wicket. They scored only 10 runs for South Africa in 4 overs. South Africa will have to play very carefully. If South Africa lose one more wicket in 10 overs of powerplay then it will be difficult for South Africa to collect big in this innings. However, even if South Africa wins the first match, I predict India to win today's match. But if they are able to give a target of more than 300, South Africa will have a chance to win. Let's enjoy the match.

In 8.3 overs SA are 36/1, I think they have got the momentum. India is too strong on there home ground so SA need to score 300 plus and then bowl really well. India is not playing with out of form Kohli but they have in form players like Dhawan and lyer. Let's see who wins today.

[pakhitheboss]

India VS South Africa

South Africa won the toss and decided to bat first. A good decision in case if it might rain in Ranchi today. However their current run rate is below 5 and they have already lost 2 wickets. The pitch doesn't seems to favour batter but more to bowlers. This is the last match of the bi lateral series and India needs to win it otherwise they will lose this series in their home ground. 

[coinerer]

India VS South Africa

South Africa won the toss and decided to bat first. A good decision in case if it might rain in Ranchi today. However their current run rate is below 5 and they have already lost 2 wickets. The pitch doesn't seems to favour batter but more to bowlers. This is the last match of the bi lateral series and India needs to win it otherwise they will lose this series in their home ground. 

In the second match, Africa is batting well. So far they have managed to score 138 runs in 27 overs losing 2 wickets. There are two great batsmen on the pitch Aiden Markram and Reeza Hendricks they have put on a partnership of 110 runs. Even in today's match, their chances of victory are very high. Let's see what happens at the end.