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1561  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman on: December 03, 2022, 03:55:31 PM
How many weeks have already passed with no new information? After being denied his chance a few years back, does Spence really not want to defend against Thurman?

When Crawford is finished dealing with Avanesyan, Spence will also be available. Spence must therefore need to pick a fight. He doesn't give updates to his fans and media on what will happen next. Will he stay or will he advance to another division? He is starting to irritate people. 

This is to answer your question.
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The Thurman fight has materialized after negotiations between Spence and WBO welterweight champion Terence Crawford (38-0) fell through. Coppinger explained what happened there.
Instead, Crawford will fight David Avanesyan on Dec. 10. Per Lance Pugmire of USA Today, February is the expected month for the Spence-Thurman fight.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10055263-errol-spence-ordered-to-defend-welterweight-title-vs-keith-thurman

There is no need for us to worry because Spence would really face Thurman as he doesn't have that much choice to deprive the latter because the consequence is heavy, especially now that the WBA has also joined the party and ordered Spence to defend his title against Keith Thurman. Moreover, both named boxers are in the same stable so it's really not that hard to make the fight happen.

Yes, it will be a shamed if they will not fight since it was ordered already. And Spence will have to find a decent boxer to face because of the fall out of his fight against Crawford who already had a schedule fight against David Avanesyan.

If this fight will not happen but Spence getting lesser name opponent, then for sure fans will see him as really avoiding Thurman just like what he said many years ago.

So the pressure on on Spence now, he has no choice but to face Thurman.
1562  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: December 03, 2022, 03:44:36 PM
Jazz is on a 3 winning streak, so I decided to ride on them.

Tomorrow we have Jazz vs Blazers, Jazz will be hosting Blazers and they are favored by 4 points, so I'm taking it without hesitation.
Also, I have a feeling that this game will easily go to over, so I'm taking the over as well.

GL everyone.
If the Blazers are playing without Lillard, that is a good bet. The Jazz is better even if they do not have Conley and the Blazers are worse without their star, Damian Lillard. And they are playing home so it is a big advantage for the Jazz. What is the odd of Jazz? If it has a good moneyline odds, maybe I will take some action too.

Moreover, I would like to add that I believe the Jazz have a better chance of winning this game. There is no doubt that they are on a good run right now. In addition to that, they will also be playing in front of a home crowd. All these things suggest only a win for them. But it is clear that it is not going to be an easy task. It is not an easy task to beat a team like the Blazers. In spite of the Jazz being on a good run, they cannot underestimate their opponents at all.

No Lillard, so it makes easy job for the Jazz since he is the leader of the team and his absence will have a huge impact on Portland, and obviously they will be missing like 20 points a game contribution from Dame.

And besides, as you have said, they have a good record at home and they are into the momentum right now. Starting handicap is -2.5 which I think the Jazz can easily cover. They are also the favorite, ML at 1.55.
1563  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin bottom prediction? on: December 02, 2022, 05:19:25 PM
I started investing in Bitcoin after the June crash this year and have been buying weekly since.

I now hold 0.07 Bitcoin which I know isn't much but hopefully by the peak of the next bull run I will be holding a lot more.

I think that is a lot already, as you have said, maybe in the next bull run we might see the price hitting 6 digits easy, so that will be x amount or profits already for you with that 0.07 BTC of yours.

I am wondering if I should be buying more at these lower prices or if should continue to just DCA weekly.

I think we will have one more crash personally to $12,000 before we start steadily going up again.

Would be interesting to hear everyone's prediction when it comes to how low Bitcoin will go before the next bull run?

Doesn't matter if we still have more crash in the future, what's important is that you continue to do DCA, accumulate and stack sats.

You also need to have a lot of mental toughness, for sure buying and then holding for the next 2-3 years might bring issues to some of us. But if you can get away with it and learn to be resilient and look for the longer term, then it will be worth when you see your portfolio growing. So just continue what you do and you will be good.
1564  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What happen to Bytecoin on: December 02, 2022, 05:04:57 PM
Some years ago, the most cheapest coins you can find is Dogecoin, Litecoin and Bytecoin, my question is what the heck happened to Bytecoin? I remember I piled up some and just lock them away, my expectation on this coin isn't big though, I was just learning then.
It must have been what is called "failing the test of time". This coin turned out to be useless and of no interest to anyone. Like so many others. Their fate is to sink into oblivion along with the money of investors who, by mistake or stupidity, invested in them. If you once bought such shitcoin as bytecoin , then you can just forget about it and not wait for your investment to return and the price to rise. You just have to accept it and deal with it. Your investment is gone forever.

True, and we all know that some reasons why coins are delisted are either (a) no volume at all - meaning traders are no longer interested on it for some reasons, (b) there are no development was so ever in the background, it could be the dev have abandoned the project itself, (c) it's a shitcoin and meme coin that failed the test of time.

I guess everyone here has lost some coins in our wallet just like you, so treat it as a learning experience from you and others who might be reading it.

And it's really hard to see which altcoin we should invest or hold for a long time, maybe just a few like ETH or BNB or ADA.
1565  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] Estrada vs Chocolatito - Trilogy - Dec 3, 2022 on: December 02, 2022, 04:36:03 PM
I'm not going to bet on his match, but I just want to see who this trilogy will end. Chocolatito was once thought that he is done with boxing when he lost to Estrada. But it seems that he got his second wind, and so after his lost, he was able to get back at his boxing career.

And yeah, this will settle once and for all, that's why I said that I don't like to bet and just want to see how this will end.

Because both are warriors and they will go at it with everything they got, that's for sure.
1566  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: December 02, 2022, 08:32:21 AM
The Lakers got themselves a nice win over the Damian Lillard-less Portland Trailblazers. LeBron James and Anthony Davis both had big nights.

The Cleveland Cavs got another win over 76ers. They beat them by 28 and have the 5th best record in the league now. Biggest surprise of the season for sure. I thought they’d be tanking for the draft.

I agree with you, the Cleveland Cavaliers are one of the most interesting teams this year. Their performance so far is very good, they have managed to win almost as many games as the Bucks. When we look at the Bucks' roster, we see that there are much better players, but I can't say that there are as many good players in the Cleveland Cavaliers.
This means that it is possible to be one of the best teams in the league without the big star players Smiley

Speaking of the Bucks roster, it looks like Khris Middleton will be back in the lineup for them this Friday against the Lakers. It’s been a long time since the Bucks have had their #2 player. It will certainly make them better.

How about DeAndre Ayton lately? He’s playing like a man possessed. Him and Devon Booker put on a show last night being the first Suns teammates to ever score 50 and 30 in the same game!

I guess DeAndre Ayton deserved the max contract he had, the management was right for giving him a big salary despite his young age. One thing I see that makes Ayton more productive is his chemistry with his teammates, they seemed to have great communication and Ayton knows how to position well that's why he can also grab some offensive rebounds.

He was denied a max contract because they think that he has not deserved it, while his co rookies has been offered, but Ayton was not so somewhat he might be bitter. However, it seems that he has done his share and really performing better this year.

So hopefully once his contract expires or maybe he will opt to get out so that he can test the market, that will be good.

But if the Suns management doesn't want to let go of Ayton, then for sure he might get his max contract extension.
1567  Economy / Speculation / Re: How fast will Bitcoin fall down? on: December 01, 2022, 02:16:48 PM
@OP, bitcoin is at the right path and every project that will make a new blockchain of their own and new token for which they think is better than bitcoin is going nowhere.

There have been gazillions of that type of projects in the past years of bitcoin's existence and most of them didn't survived at all. That's why many will tell you if it's bitcoin, it's like the assurance in this market but when it's about any other altcoin, you'll be not sure with most of them.
What many newbies do not understand is that they think of bitcoin as any other product and believe that if a new coin is developed then that is going to be enough to replace bitcoin, but we know this is not true, the growth of bitcoin is similar to what we see with social networks, a social network without people using it is completely useless, while a social network used by billions of people is worth a fortune, so this is why most altcoins are worth nothing while bitcoin is still incredibly valuable even during a bear market.
That era is about to be done.

We've seen too many projects thought that they're better than bitcoin and they're higher than it. But the reality speaks for itself that they've got no place in the market because the community knows what's better for each of us.

Bitcoin being the top of the crypto market is what makes it as the best investment and that's why no matter what people ask to themselves about its fall, that's highly unlikely to happen.

It's the first and so Bitcoin will have the support no matter what the condition of the market and how many projects are supposedly better that Bitcoin.

And we have a saying that it's too good to fall, and we have a lot of bitcoin maximalist as well who will continue to buy specially if the price is cheap because they know that it will bring for them in the future.

So with that, we should learn from this early and smart investors, that even if the price goes down very fast, let's see $10k, it will still not fall, and on the contrary, a good buying opportunity again.
1568  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez on: December 01, 2022, 01:56:55 PM
OK, this early it seems that everyone is looking for a Benavidez KO/TKO, thanks so far for those who voted.

I think Caleb Plant losing to Canelo plays a big reason why others are eyeing Benavidez to win in this match. Can't blame them though. However, if we look at the technical side, Benavidez is not on the same tier as Canelo "for now" that's why I'm seeing this fight won't be a landslide win to either Benavidez or Plant.

WBA (Regular) Super middleweight champion David Morrell Jr., who was waiting on the winner of this fight between Benavidez and Plant, gives a 50-50 prediction on this fight since both boxers do have their own advantages. The turning point of this match will now depend on how these boxers will execute successfully their respective strategies.

Probably because we don't want to see Canelo fight Plant a second time around, and probably Canelo is not going to be interested as well. So it's better for Benavidez to win in this fight so that he will be the next in line for Canelo's belt at 168 lbs.

Or how either will execute their game plan and if that doesn't work, adjust in the fight itself. And usually those that can adjust will win in any fight. So I do agree that it still 50/50 at this point as bot has strong side and good team behind to formulate strategies and what to in the middle of the fight itself.

For power, and volume punching, I will give a slight advantage to David Benavidez, as he usually throw power punches and it is in bunch.

But as far as experience goes specially that he has fought Canelo already, that is the top tier of this division and even if he lost that one, he gain a valuable lesson and probably it help him in his fight against Dirrell.

So yeah, it's hard to predict for now, I haven't check the sports bookies if there are odds though, but chances are their might not be one as this is not yet official as far as I know.
1569  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: December 01, 2022, 12:13:32 PM
The Lakers got themselves a nice win over the Damian Lillard-less Portland Trailblazers. LeBron James and Anthony Davis both had big nights.

The Cleveland Cavs got another win over 76ers. They beat them by 28 and have the 5th best record in the league now. Biggest surprise of the season for sure. I thought they’d be tanking for the draft.

They cannot do that unless they don't have the all-stars in their team playing this season because it will be obvious if they gonna do it that way. They can still catch up when they are winning like this because the other teams that were winning in the first phase of the season, are now losing and giving every low-rank team to catch up and have their chance to be in the playoff. If the Lakers can still win more games than lose the remaining games of the season, probably they can be in the top 5 or 6 in the NBA playoff tree.

Yes, I also thought that the Jazz is going to tank this year because of the trades that they have made. Not just for the players, but they changes their coach as well. But everyone is shock when the players they acquired when they trade Mitchell and Gobert is somewhat performing very well and blended instantly to the Jazz.

And then Clarkson having a good game as a Jazz and for sure they made the right decision not to trade him as probably he will turn out to be the leader of the team now. Lakers will be the Lakers though, they will have to find win again with Lebron leading them. And even without Lillard, still considered as a good win.
1570  Economy / Speculation / Re: December Has always Proved to Be a Good Month For Cryptocurrency industry on: December 01, 2022, 11:49:27 AM
I know I am not pro or old here but I know little bit. I was saying that Bitcoin is just had always proven good start in December month and in first Quarter of New year and If history repeats than this will also be like God start of crypto Rally and I hope in this timeframe btc might go Upto 36k dollars before May crash.
We know that we cannot speculate Bitcoin price But I can say that as history repeats we can get chance and also a better judgement and it can be very risky.
That's Why Do your own research before putting money.

I would say just small rally, specially weeks before Christmas, maybe it's because people are buying as they are getting their bonus check. Or just pure manipulation from behind because after a spike, the price will go down again specially in the bear market.

But right now, the surge could have been due to Jerome Powell who spoke from Washington regarding Fed's next plan, a self-imposed blackout period starting December 3.

You can reach his speech here.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/powell20221130a.htm
1571  Economy / Gambling / Re: Consider open live casino (street gambling games) on: December 01, 2022, 11:29:42 AM
There ia the big enorphona that allow live play roullete and black jack and more.

I consider bw the first one to open live casino street games.


The one that simple players play like 24 (alternatove to roullete)

Coin flip and more all broadcast from thr streets


What you think?

Of course, one way or another, we have played in the streets with this kind of games, coin flip or 3 card monte or others. However, it will be a challenge for you how you are going to stream this fight on the streets?

And probably this is the reason why online casinos are not doing live casino street games, maybe the profits is not there because like the coin flip, they will have to wait for players to bet so it might take some time to load and re load the game. And who is going to throw it? So again, more challenges for them and it might not be worth it, just saying.
1572  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC, more closer bullish days ahead. on: November 28, 2022, 10:55:07 AM
If we have assets with large values, of course we are always worried when we see prices, I suggest making bitcoin an alternative investment and never make it as a main investment, if the price drops like this it certainly makes us stress, limit the bitcoin balance so that it makes us enjoy enjoy life.

But bitcoin is already one of the biggest assets right now and will be in the future, so I will disagree to make him as a alternative investment. If there is, it should be the altcoin market, (hence alternative coin).

The thing is that there are investors that just put their hands on the proverbial cookie jar, and then when they are caught they don't know how to react.

Bitcoin again is the best asset, we just have to be mentally tough and hold and accumulate when they are cheap, specially in the bear market.
1573  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman on: November 28, 2022, 10:29:41 AM
This fight going to be big fight, both the participants are equal with their strength and strategy. Thurman had the reputation already in the championship. He had won three times of the game he played. Even Thurman not in the top 5 position, his game was impressive in the boxing league. His game and tactics helped them to score the points and with three championship. He is recovered from the injury and will make the good game for the upcoming matches.

Everyone is expecting that Spence will win, but we have Thurman who is not a champion but still fight like a Champion. I'm glad that Spence take this challenge although it's mandatory now, but the fact that Spence fighting a legit challenger, that will make this fight very interesting compared to the fight of Crawford.

It's also because most of the 147 lbs fighters are into the stable of Al Haymon in PBC that's why it's easy to made. As compare to Crawford which has to settle on Avanesyan on his next fight as he can't find a good dance partner.

And that is why he is still being criticized eventhough is no longer with Top Rank.

But as a I have said, PBC controls that division and they have Thurman and Spence to fight next and obviously the winner will all be in house money and belt for them.

Wait, is this fight already official? The last information that I know is that both camps are yet on the talks and trying to come up with the same goal. Did Spence already accepted it though? And it was rumored that this bout will happen somewhere around the 3rd week of the next month. Which got me thinking that the rumored date is quite near and practically almost impossible to make it happen as boxers need their time to study and prepare for it.
I'll be glad to hear more information about this bout.

I guess even if Spence will not agree with this fight but it's already ordered by WBC that Thurman will have to defend his title.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10055263-errol-spence-ordered-to-defend-welterweight-title-vs-keith-thurman
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The World Boxing Council (WBC) has ordered welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr. to defend his belt against Keith Thurman.

The order occurred during WBC's convention in Mexico, per ESPN's Mike Coppinger, who also noted that Spence could defend his unified welterweight championship.

That article was published NOVEMBER 10, 2022, and I think "bleacherreport.com" is a reputable website.

We should not doubt that this fight is not gonna happen, otherwise, we will again lose the opportunity to witness a very exciting fight.

Well there are fights that have been ordered but cannot be made because again, we have seen what boxing politics can do. Most of the times this boxers can't fight one another because of their network affiliations and promoters.

But this time, it's different, Spence and Thurman are both in the same umbrella and control of PBC. So this order if for formally, as maybe PBC is really want to match Spence and Thurman, in house money and the winner still with the belt and with their stable.
1574  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your Favorite Casino Games with a Buy-In feature on: November 28, 2022, 10:08:54 AM
Push Gaming bonus buy feature is the worst if you ask me, the worst here related to the possible outcome. I prefer to choose the games from Pragmatic/No Limit City or Relax Gaming than Push Gaming. If I have to mention specific games I like, here is my list:
1. Pragmatic: Fruit Party and Gates of Olympus
2. No Limit City: Tombstone and Book of Shadows
3. Relax Gaming: TNT Tumble and Money Train 2

Right, I love the Tombstone of No Limit City as far as buy-in feature. Everyone I try to 'take advantage' of this feature it seems to be giving me a good win. Next on the list is Book of Shadows already in regular games I've been extremely lucky with in.

Money Train 2 as well, good to have buy-in feature and it's worth to used it as per my experience.

Glad that you mentioned Pragmatic, but I haven't played with them for a long time like the Fruit party because I'm not a fan of that UI,  Grin
1575  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to earn 9-10% APY using USDT and a simple strategy on: November 27, 2022, 09:18:23 PM

How can this be low risk when it asks for users to deposit coins?

Crypto was rocked by FTX scam where people kept thier assets on exchanges. You have to be so dumb to not learn from the massive fraud happening this year to deposit to centralized Eonian.  We are already avoiding CEX, holders are already getting out of the exchanges to hold or stake coins in the wallets they own. You couldn't expect any new projects this time to do something good.

Very strange reaction... Why do you think Eonian is centralized? We are building Eonian - a decentralized yield farm. It is purely a smart contract protocol where you can check the code and see that no one except you has access to your money.

For me personally very heartbreaking to see such a position  Sad . We spend months researching all possible hacks and vulnerabilities in smart contract protocols, then designing them in a way that prevents anyone from stealing users' money, multiples times reviewing each line of code and cannot normally sleep while thinking what else can be done to save users which will trust us. We have already half a year postponing the release to implement all SecOps practices while spending personal money on development. I personally spend a month on an independent audit of ApeSwap (proof link: https://leovs09.notion.site/ApeSwap-Lending-Audit-Report-2c499edcbf0b432dbd94424268cf3a88) to only be sure, that if we will use this strategy we not will lose users money.

And then I heard that FTX was making whole money management in messenger, and thousands of users were trusting them millions of money Cry . And now you are saying that because of FTX, our project is also bad!

It's good that you have done your part, researching about the possible hacks because this is the first time that comes to my mind.

And hopefully this is not just a one done part, I mean you also need someone to monitor everything in a 24x7 basis? just to make sure that everything is running smoothly and if by chance there is a exploit in your system, you can simply react on it real time.

Also, need to be very active in looking for loopholes in your system. As obviously, hackers are smart and doing this as well. That's why it's better that you are one step ahead of the game, just saying.
1576  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gervonta Davis VS Hector Luis Garcia SAT, JAN 07, 2023 on: November 27, 2022, 08:53:40 PM


But as I have said, as long as him and Ryan will fight this year, then everything should be good on our part as boxing fans.


Do not believe it 100%, we've been taken a ride before by both Crawford and Spence and in the past, these two, are clowning to fight each other but never materialize, I don't know how serious these two fighters are, I will only believe if they sign a contract and there's already a final date.
If Tank's promoter is serious about this he should not let fight this Hector Garcia and go straight against the popular Garcia this is where big money is.

You seriously got a point there mate. This fight is still classified as speculation or an improved rumored fight even if they already said that there's an agreement for a catchweight bout because the final details on its whereabouts is not out yet, there are some reports that this fight will take place in Las Vegas somewhere in the month of April but like as you said, that is not yet final as long as both camps is not yet signing any contracts.

Also, what I'm curious about is why do they need any tune-up fights if they can always go head-to-head directly and make the schedule much earlier than what was reported. The risk is not that worthy because if one of them will sustain a serious injury or damage after that tune-up fight then they will be having troubles again because the fight will be delayed or worse, cancelled.

They've seen the fall out of the Crawford vs Spence, and I doubt that they will want to go on that route, and it's Oscar vs Floyd in the negotiation table because they are the promotional company here. This two is a business man so maybe they can sit and make the fight very easy unlike Crawford who doesn't have any manager so it's hard to negotiate against Al Haymon.

Maybe they are looking for a good venue because this is a huge fight and January is too early to make this fight.

And perhaps they decided to just have a tune up fight early, sort of to loose and prepare their body on this big fight.
1577  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 27, 2022, 08:35:28 PM
^^ I thought that Devin Haney or at least their team is looking for Loma next at 135 lbs?

If they are calling Teo then they needed to go up at 140 lbs, which I think Devin doesn't have a problem. In any case, there could be some personal reasons for this, father vs father, might be a interesting story line. They will do the talking here as both very lively in the media.

So let's see first, Haney has a difficult fight in front of him in Loma 2023.
1578  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2023 NBA Season on: November 27, 2022, 08:17:30 PM
Lakers have started to improve their stats recently. They won four of their last five games. Last night they played against Spurs and won by 143-138. This was another game in which Lebron showed a great performance - 39 points, 11 rebounds. It was a game Lebron tried to carry again and things weren't going very well for them mostly in such cases. But they managed to win this one.

They almost lead the whole game, but the Spurs didn't give up, it was just a 5 point win for them. Stat line for James really look impressive as if we are seeing a still prime Lebron in Cleveland with those number.

But he has do it since Davis set out in this game. But it turns out to be a blessing for the team as we have seen Lebron again at his best to carry the Lakers in his shoulder with a good numbers.

Westbrook wasn't in the forefront much but I remember a time he had a problem with Collins. Collins made a foul and Westbrook's face was suddenly covered with blood. There was a high tension after that between these players. Apart from that I remember a time he made a nice alley-oop with Lebron. Maybe this might be a proof that they are getting along these days.

Yes, elbows in the face of Russ from Collins, but they call a technical foul of Russ for over-reacting. But I guess that is just normal reaction if someone is trying to hurt you in the game. Was good that Pat Bev is already suspended, if not this could very well escalated again.
1579  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The market will come back bigger again on: November 26, 2022, 09:45:52 PM
After the pump in few days back, many think the price of bitcoin will cross the value of 20k dollars. But all was disappointed after the fall in price to 16,500$. When the price of bitcoin crossed the barrier, surely it will reach the 40k dollars.If the price of bitcoin crossed the limit,surely it will reflect in all other trusted coin.Most of the long term traders waiting for this position over a years.

Nah, I doubt that we will crossed $40k just because we have hit $20k and up in the late October or early November. The market is still bearish and the best that we can get this December is $25k.

But then again, the FTX news affected us, the sad thing is that it was not Bitcoin but this exchanges drag us down. But we can't do anything as we are somewhat correlated and so the price triggered a collapse of the whole crypto, including bitcoin that we are now in a lows of $16,500. On the other hard, this is a good position for smart investors or at least those who are here for the long term to invest because the price is cheap.
1580  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC is likely to head towards a price of $13,000 on: November 26, 2022, 09:19:04 PM
The recession understands people like you who are facing Investment and financial difficulties. Do you feel that a bear market in risk assets mimicking the global financial crisis, big losses are yet to come?

As per your title, bitcoin may or may not reach 13,000$. We cannot say with 100% conviction that bitcoin may reach 13K or below.
Yes, the recession is on its way, but we never know how bitcoin will react to it. Perhaps people may find the bitcoin to be a safe heaven especially when everyone knows that it is non inflationary.

It's not just bitcoin that will be affected by the recession, every one is, every financial market has somewhat feel the burn already, Nasdaq, Dow Jones, Nikkei in the Japan, etc. Probably it's a safe haven, but still though it's not being reflected on the price as everyone is afraid to where to put their money and wealth in this trying times.

I am optimistic about bitcoin and think that no matter what the world's economic and financial conditions is, Bitcoin will always have its value. Even if bitcoin dumps to 13K, it will be for a very short period due to the enormous demand of bitcoin BTC

We will see after the next bitcoin halving, hopefully we are all correct, we might see 6 digits and this could very well be a good sign that bitcoin will and going to stay and even at $13k right now, we have to look at the bigger picture in 2024/25.
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