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August 21, 2013, 06:22:19 PM
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The over engineering reduces the need for costly delays. Had BFL done that even with all their other problems/lies customers would have gotten their rigs months earlier.
BFL's chips turned out 6 times worse than the estimated ratings. Nobody over engineers that much  True it provides some latitude but you can't fix stupid. BFL just "should" have known better (especially when FPGA were nearly 300% over power spec). Still it would have allowed them to launch reduced hashing power boards in 2012 while working on a new design. |
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Bitcoinorama
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August 21, 2013, 06:36:57 PM
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none of it matters, again, you either trust them, or you don't.
Kiss my ass. I'm glad when someone takes the time to explain things in detail. Understanding is better than trust. Although I'd never "Kiss your ass"(unless you are a beautiful woman), I can see your point.. But my point is simply that too many folks are analyzing stuff they know almost nothing about, then making definitive statements based on assumption & guesses, then spreading it as if it's gospel. Even Hashfast got it wrong in their "Why we're better than KNC" post. See my point? Ladies, chill...  Allowing the likes of D&T the freedom to express an iterative understanding of how and why certain design elements have been chosen just validates this project further. What I relayed was only one element from personal experience and having a sensible head upon my shoulders when approaching secured funding. What I relayed from the openday to be fair still required a leap of trust, which is why there has been all the BS unfounded speculation as to my assumed intentions, although less so if you undertook your own research in addition. Still cheesy, but what the hell, it'll annoy the crap out of the trolls; http://youtu.be/FPQlXNH36mI |
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DPoS
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August 21, 2013, 07:14:33 PM |
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Hey MODERATOR
if you want to ban my jokes about BFL on a KNCMINER thread then BAN all the BFL and other junk that filled up 340+ pages here! OK?
do your job right or stay out!!
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August 21, 2013, 08:41:01 PM |
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August 21, 2013, 08:43:34 PM |
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ah just let the man be happy!!! lol |
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August 21, 2013, 08:44:57 PM |
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The people who "Jumped ship" are probably regretting it now I'd imagine.
That's a super-sexy PCB... At first I was wanting to trade my Saturns for Jupiters (Not possible I was told by Liam today); but now, after today's announcement, I'm more than happy with choosing multiple Saturns over Jupiter, because of the very last line on the announcement reads: "( The controller board also has and expansion for additional linux devices for future upgrade/ second generation)"Which means (I think) that I'll be able to purchase the Gen2 boards, and mount them inside existing Saturns... Possibly turning a Gen1 Saturn into a Gen2 Jupiter.... or even a 50/50 split...2 gen1 & 2 gen2 boards..Am I right along this kind of thinking?
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August 21, 2013, 08:49:46 PM |
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The over engineering reduces the need for costly delays. Had BFL done that even with all their other problems/lies customers would have gotten their rigs months earlier.
BFL's chips turned out 6 times worse than the estimated ratings. Nobody over engineers that much True it provides some latitude but you can't fix stupid. BFL just "should" have known better (especially when FPGA were nearly 300% over power spec). Still it would have allowed them to launch reduced hashing power boards in 2012 while working on a new design. That is what I never got why they didn't just release back in Nov. Everyone body would have taken half their hash rate in a heartbeat. My guess is power the consumption was only a small part of the truth. |
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August 21, 2013, 10:16:14 PM |
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The people who "Jumped ship" are probably regretting it now I'd imagine.
That's a super-sexy PCB... At first I was wanting to trade my Saturns for Jupiters (Not possible I was told by Liam today); but now, after today's announcement, I'm more than happy with choosing multiple Saturns over Jupiter, because of the very last line on the announcement reads: "( The controller board also has and expansion for additional linux devices for future upgrade/ second generation)"Which means (I think) that I'll be able to purchase the Gen2 boards, and mount them inside existing Saturns... Possibly turning a Gen1 Saturn into a Gen2 Jupiter.... or even a 50/50 split...2 gen1 & 2 gen2 boards..Am I right along this kind of thinking?
You may be able to move 2 modules over yourself if you are so inclined. (exit warranty) One advantage with 2 units you'll have is onsite spares for everything except hashing modules. |
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August 21, 2013, 10:20:01 PM |
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I would love to see an episode of "how its made" on asics.
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August 21, 2013, 11:38:47 PM |
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ixxi
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August 21, 2013, 11:57:01 PM |
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It's positive they keep bringing some news. Just wish they would give more info on their expected delivery date, a month or two can make a huge difference.
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August 21, 2013, 11:59:14 PM |
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They already have. September.
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ixxi
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August 22, 2013, 12:01:59 AM |
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Just how realistic is that seeing it's nearly september already?
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klee
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August 22, 2013, 12:05:36 AM |
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Just how realistic is that seeing it's nearly september already?
If they ship last day of September then you will have it October and they will still be compliant on their promise. Maybe Bitcoinorama then will use his precious CC for refund...but wait! Hmmmm... |
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canth
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August 22, 2013, 12:08:17 AM |
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Just how realistic is that seeing it's nearly september already?
I haven't canceled my order. Not sure how many of these have, but from forum comments it seems like few have asked for refunds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=249065.0At this point, I'm going to stick with them through the end of Sept. |
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August 22, 2013, 12:10:04 AM |
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I'm going to make love to it when i get it
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canth
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August 22, 2013, 12:16:06 AM |
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I'm going to make love to it when i get it
Umm...have you seen the case? In that case, realdoll[dot]com is a better investment and has rounded corners. Hashrate sorta sucks though.   |
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Bitcoinorama
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August 22, 2013, 12:29:46 AM |
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Just how realistic is that seeing it's nearly september already?
If they ship last day of September then you will have it October and they will still be compliant on their promise. Maybe Bitcoinorama then will use his precious CC for refund...but wait! Hmmmm... Well considering they booked with the fab, whenever that was, they would have been given an estimate of when to expect the chips, and then following such assured statement been at the mercy of the fab. KnC then plays a waiting game, whilst ensuring all else runs smoothly. Once they have the chips in hand they have to build a prototype, test, and then manufacture the products. All they've said is they are on track, so I'd imagine it means what they have said it to mean; September. Just how unrealistic could that be? Klee what's the beef? |
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August 22, 2013, 12:37:21 AM |
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I hope they are NOT LATE for Chip Delivery. Now No News on Chips Progress. Why talk about the PCB when without the Asic Chips nothing will work. Bitfury delay delivery to October. By now end of August 2013 still No News on Chip Progress. Why? Critical is the Chip not the pcb board. |
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