Bitcoin Forum
May 28, 2024, 04:56:34 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: « 1 ... 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 [229] 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 ... 320 »
  Print  
Author Topic: Official Thread: AMT  (Read 678349 times)
MinerPro
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 45
Merit: 0


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:39:28 PM
 #4561


So, AMT_, no answer for us?
I mean, we've been polite, contained and observed all courtesy. Never did we use any coarse or inappropriate language. Never did we yell or cuss. Even when we demanded our refund, even when we reminded you of our refund even then we stayed cool, collected and polite.
Is not answering a mail (no, not answering 20 emails reminding you of our cancellation and due date of the refund) considered polite? No.

So, in short, i will repeat the question:
When is our refund due?
You are now 15 days late. Considering the penalty interest of 7% daily and the 25% Debt Collector's fee (payable by the debtor, I might stress) I would suggest you looked into your affairs and started acting on them. In stead of handing out miners to whoever happens to appear on your doorstep, customer or not.

J.

Again, AMT_, no answer? You're willfully ignoring us. If you would talk to us, I'm sure we could work out a deal to get us our refund (no, not miners, you're two months late for that) in stead of letting everything run its course. Ignoring bad stuff doesn't make bad stuff go away. It just makes it worse.

Chazaki
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 181
Merit: 100


The All-in-One Cryptocurrency Exchange


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:43:05 PM
 #4562

After I heard that they gave a miner away and let someone "jump the line" all bets were off. Who was the lawyer who showed up? I may need his services. I am doing everything in my power right now to get this resolved.

The man drove for a day and a half to prove we real.

Could've just ship that miner to a paying customer to prove that you were real!!!!

「   B e a x y   」   THE ALL-IN-ONE CRYPTOCURRENCY EXCHANGE
[ WHITEPAPER ]              Instant Deposit                   24/7 Support                    Referral Program              [ LIGHTPAPER ]
ANN THREAD     ●     BOUNTY THREAD     ●     FACEBOOK     ●   TWITTER     ●     TELEGRAM
FrictionlessCoin
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 868
Merit: 1000


Cryptotalk.org - Get paid for every post!


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:44:03 PM
 #4563


So, AMT_, no answer for us?
I mean, we've been polite, contained and observed all courtesy. Never did we use any coarse or inappropriate language. Never did we yell or cuss. Even when we demanded our refund, even when we reminded you of our refund even then we stayed cool, collected and polite.
Is not answering a mail (no, not answering 20 emails reminding you of our cancellation and due date of the refund) considered polite? No.

So, in short, i will repeat the question:
When is our refund due?
You are now 15 days late. Considering the penalty interest of 7% daily and the 25% Debt Collector's fee (payable by the debtor, I might stress) I would suggest you looked into your affairs and started acting on them. In stead of handing out miners to whoever happens to appear on your doorstep, customer or not.

J.

Again, AMT_, no answer? You're willfully ignoring us. If you would talk to us, I'm sure we could work out a deal to get us our refund (no, not miners, you're two months late for that) in stead of letting everything run its course. Ignoring bad stuff doesn't make bad stuff go away. It just makes it worse.


I think you first need to file a complaint with the Delaware county consumer affairs division to get their attention.

Then you need to talk to the lawyers who are building up their case.

Finally, you need to contact some local debt collectors to persistently knock on their door.

 
                                . ██████████.
                              .████████████████.
                           .██████████████████████.
                        -█████████████████████████████
                     .██████████████████████████████████.
                  -█████████████████████████████████████████
               -███████████████████████████████████████████████
           .-█████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       ..████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████..
       .   .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .      .████████████████████████████████████████████████.

       .       .██████████████████████████████████████████████
       .    ██████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .███████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
           .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████
              .████████████████████████████████████████████████
                   ████████████████████████████████████████
                      ██████████████████████████████████
                          ██████████████████████████
                             ████████████████████
                               ████████████████
                                   █████████
.CryptoTalk.org.|.MAKE POSTS AND EARN BTC!.🏆
l12
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 53
Merit: 0


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
 #4564

Amt_miner I want a refund the ad for the unit was 1.2t nothing was mention it had to be overclocked to reach 1.2t
So basically you lie on ur ad on the website  I WANT MY MONEY BACK
FrictionlessCoin
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 868
Merit: 1000


Cryptotalk.org - Get paid for every post!


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
 #4565

After I heard that they gave a miner away and let someone "jump the line" all bets were off. Who was the lawyer who showed up? I may need his services. I am doing everything in my power right now to get this resolved.

The man drove for a day and a half to prove we real.

Could've just ship that miner to a paying customer to prove that you were real!!!!

Lot's of dumb things going on here.

Could they not have shipped to at least one of those customers?
Could they have not taken a video of the miner hashing?


 
                                . ██████████.
                              .████████████████.
                           .██████████████████████.
                        -█████████████████████████████
                     .██████████████████████████████████.
                  -█████████████████████████████████████████
               -███████████████████████████████████████████████
           .-█████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       ..████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████..
       .   .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .      .████████████████████████████████████████████████.

       .       .██████████████████████████████████████████████
       .    ██████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .███████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
           .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████
              .████████████████████████████████████████████████
                   ████████████████████████████████████████
                      ██████████████████████████████████
                          ██████████████████████████
                             ████████████████████
                               ████████████████
                                   █████████
.CryptoTalk.org.|.MAKE POSTS AND EARN BTC!.🏆
MinerPro
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 45
Merit: 0


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:47:20 PM
 #4566

I think you first need to file a complaint with the Delaware county consumer affairs division to get their attention.

Then you need to talk to the lawyers who are building up their case.

Finally, you need to contact some local debt collectors to persistently knock on their door.

Little different for us here in our neck of the woods. We're in the old country  Grin
NotFuzzyWarm
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3640
Merit: 2578


Evil beware: We have waffles!


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:48:03 PM
 #4567

Ya know folks, with all this talk about ROI... Provided you are actually setup to Mine as a business:
2014 Tax Incentives for Manufacturing Companies
Section 179 Federal Income Tax Deduction: $25,000 Write-Off

This deduction allows a company to deduct the first $25,000 of equipment (Section 179 Property) purchased in 2014 from their taxable income. For companies purchasing (or leasing - with a $1 or $101 buyout) up to $200,000 of equipment in 2014, this deduction is available in full. It then phases out on a dollar-for-dollar basis for amounts over $200,000.

- For bitcoin to succeed the community must police itself -    My info useful? Donations welcome! 1FuzzyWc2J8TMqeUQZ8yjE43Rwr7K3cxs9
 -Sole remaining active developer of cgminer, Kano's repo is here
-Support Sidehacks miner development. Donations to:   1BURGERAXHH6Yi6LRybRJK7ybEm5m5HwTr
FrictionlessCoin
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 868
Merit: 1000


Cryptotalk.org - Get paid for every post!


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:48:28 PM
 #4568

Amt_miner I want a refund the ad for the unit was 1.2t nothing was mention it had to be overclocked to reach 1.2t
So basically you lie on ur ad on the website  I WANT MY MONEY BACK

Please file a complaint with the Delaware county consumer affairs division.

The refund line is getting longer and you'll need to start at the back of the line.  No line cutting please.

 
                                . ██████████.
                              .████████████████.
                           .██████████████████████.
                        -█████████████████████████████
                     .██████████████████████████████████.
                  -█████████████████████████████████████████
               -███████████████████████████████████████████████
           .-█████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       ..████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████..
       .   .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .      .████████████████████████████████████████████████.

       .       .██████████████████████████████████████████████
       .    ██████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .███████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
           .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████
              .████████████████████████████████████████████████
                   ████████████████████████████████████████
                      ██████████████████████████████████
                          ██████████████████████████
                             ████████████████████
                               ████████████████
                                   █████████
.CryptoTalk.org.|.MAKE POSTS AND EARN BTC!.🏆
FrictionlessCoin
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 868
Merit: 1000


Cryptotalk.org - Get paid for every post!


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:51:10 PM
 #4569

Ya know folks, with all this talk about ROI... Provided you are actually setup to Mine as a business:
2014 Tax Incentives for Manufacturing Companies
Section 179 Federal Income Tax Deduction: $25,000 Write-Off

This deduction allows a company to deduct the first $25,000 of equipment (Section 179 Property) purchased in 2014 from their taxable income. For companies purchasing (or leasing - with a $1 or $101 buyout) up to $200,000 of equipment in 2014, this deduction is available in full. It then phases out on a dollar-for-dollar basis for amounts over $200,000.

Well, with the IRS taxing Bitcoin at the time when it is minted,  you'll need every tax deduction you can get!   

Does Bitcoin mining classify under a 'manufacturing company'? 

 
                                . ██████████.
                              .████████████████.
                           .██████████████████████.
                        -█████████████████████████████
                     .██████████████████████████████████.
                  -█████████████████████████████████████████
               -███████████████████████████████████████████████
           .-█████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       ..████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████..
       .   .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .      .████████████████████████████████████████████████.

       .       .██████████████████████████████████████████████
       .    ██████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .███████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
           .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████
              .████████████████████████████████████████████████
                   ████████████████████████████████████████
                      ██████████████████████████████████
                          ██████████████████████████
                             ████████████████████
                               ████████████████
                                   █████████
.CryptoTalk.org.|.MAKE POSTS AND EARN BTC!.🏆
mellorbo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 620
Merit: 500


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:52:02 PM
 #4570

and still AMT you refuse to answer one of my recent posts i shall ask again for the THIRD time since e.mails are not your thing
I AM UP FOR YOU SHIPPING OUT THE BOARDS PSU AND EVERYTHING NEEDED TO BUILD THE MINER I WILL DO THE ASSEMBLY PROVIDING YOU SEND IT OUT SOON, AS IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SHIP MY BUILT MINER NEXT WEEK.
thats it. thats all i want and ill forget about the lies u told me saying it was going to be shipped and at e.u office e.t.c  
you either do the above or refund me $4199 which equates to 8.1852 in BTC now to 1DRK46NeDvk92naEdDPoy11S7T9yVSzCFN and we forget all about this mess
DEAL?
mellorbo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 620
Merit: 500


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:53:30 PM
 #4571

Something doesn't add up, they won't offer refunds, but they claim the miners cost them $5500+ in parts and do not make any money on them. If its true, why not issue refunds and be over with it?
+1
FrictionlessCoin
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 868
Merit: 1000


Cryptotalk.org - Get paid for every post!


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:54:32 PM
 #4572

I don't understand, you collected hundreds of thousands of dollars in pre-orders and you have no staff to put the things together?

Chips are expensive. Total cost per build is coming in at 4900-5400 as of now. We've sold several at between 4799-5399, almost 60% - so yes at this facility we are short staffed today.

Did anyone bother to run the numbers before they got into this business?  

 
                                . ██████████.
                              .████████████████.
                           .██████████████████████.
                        -█████████████████████████████
                     .██████████████████████████████████.
                  -█████████████████████████████████████████
               -███████████████████████████████████████████████
           .-█████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       ..████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████..
       .   .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .      .████████████████████████████████████████████████.

       .       .██████████████████████████████████████████████
       .    ██████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .███████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
           .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████
              .████████████████████████████████████████████████
                   ████████████████████████████████████████
                      ██████████████████████████████████
                          ██████████████████████████
                             ████████████████████
                               ████████████████
                                   █████████
.CryptoTalk.org.|.MAKE POSTS AND EARN BTC!.🏆
FrictionlessCoin
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 868
Merit: 1000


Cryptotalk.org - Get paid for every post!


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 02:58:29 PM
 #4573

Something doesn't add up, they won't offer refunds, but they claim the miners cost them $5500+ in parts and do not make any money on them. If its true, why not issue refunds and be over with it?
+1

They are using the list price of the coincraft A1 chips.   So it really depends on how much margin they have on the chips to make it a viable business.   It is around $86 per chip.   If they have a small margin,  then it's not a viable business to be in.

 
                                . ██████████.
                              .████████████████.
                           .██████████████████████.
                        -█████████████████████████████
                     .██████████████████████████████████.
                  -█████████████████████████████████████████
               -███████████████████████████████████████████████
           .-█████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       ..████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████..
       .   .██████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
       .      .████████████████████████████████████████████████.

       .       .██████████████████████████████████████████████
       .    ██████████████████████████████████████████████████████
       .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████.
        .███████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
           .█████████████████████████████████████████████████████
              .████████████████████████████████████████████████
                   ████████████████████████████████████████
                      ██████████████████████████████████
                          ██████████████████████████
                             ████████████████████
                               ████████████████
                                   █████████
.CryptoTalk.org.|.MAKE POSTS AND EARN BTC!.🏆
mellorbo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 620
Merit: 500


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 03:01:58 PM
 #4574

If anyone should be talking loss, it should be me. I was promised a miner in Feb, I am missing out on all that mining income.
same here i was promised a miner mid feb and was even told they was going to ship it out within the week. since that lie i have heard nothing else
rik_khaos
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 854
Merit: 500

Just a regular guy who likes his fiber.


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 03:02:38 PM
 #4575

Something doesn't add up, they won't offer refunds, but they claim the miners cost them $5500+ in parts and do not make any money on them. If its true, why not issue refunds and be over with it?

likely because the money is tied up in hardware.

Then if they give one refund then they will have to give everyone a refund.

Except that they don't seem to realize that they are required by law to issue refunds to anyone who requests it before their miner ships. And any fraud on their part means that declaring bankruptcy wouldn't do any good as our debts they owe us would be considered non-dischargeable. Advertising units for shipping dates they knew they couldn't meet is fraud as it was used to get people to make purchases.


Selling BTC for cash in Los Angeles. DM me!
rik_khaos
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 854
Merit: 500

Just a regular guy who likes his fiber.


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 03:07:17 PM
 #4576

Because of the speculative nature of BTC I don't think you'd have a leg to stand on if you were suing for lost revenue. I would be wrong though, I'm not a lawyer. Either way you made the purchase knowing that bitcoin could have gone up to $3,000 or down to $1.50.

That was a risk you took when purchasing the miner.

Selling BTC for cash in Los Angeles. DM me!
Puppet
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 980
Merit: 1040


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 03:11:38 PM
 #4577

That was a typo?  

ROFL. A "typo" that was pointed out time and again and sparked endless discussions since December.  Strangely every Coincraft based product had similar "typo's".  Oh and bitfury based products too, also consuming ~2x what you claimed on the website. Then at some point around February or so, you replaced that typo with another "typo" (600-900W IIRC), and even today its still showing less than what you are claiming today.

Typo my ass.


AMT_miners (OP)
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 392
Merit: 250


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 03:15:39 PM
 #4578

Ya know folks, with all this talk about ROI... Provided you are actually setup to Mine as a business:
2014 Tax Incentives for Manufacturing Companies
Section 179 Federal Income Tax Deduction: $25,000 Write-Off

This deduction allows a company to deduct the first $25,000 of equipment (Section 179 Property) purchased in 2014 from their taxable income. For companies purchasing (or leasing - with a $1 or $101 buyout) up to $200,000 of equipment in 2014, this deduction is available in full. It then phases out on a dollar-for-dollar basis for amounts over $200,000.

Really. Carlos.. you might be on to something there.
rik_khaos
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 854
Merit: 500

Just a regular guy who likes his fiber.


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 03:19:28 PM
 #4579

Sir: it is not speculative. Using a bitcoin calculator and putting in the 1.2Th/s hash rate, 1500W it gives you a definitive number of at least $1800 of income lost. It would be speculative if I was trying to figure out lost income for April. The clock keeps ticking.

If it would be speculative for april is was once speculative for march.  And it was in investment that when you made it anything from beyond he day of purchase was speculative.

The argument is about when you purchased you were not guaranteed any return in USD because of the speculative nature of bitcoin. You are however entitled to one cent over the cost of your mining hardware under the MPP.

If they were smart they'd refund people their money plus one cent and then they will have made good on your investment turning a profit within six months for what would have been the shipping date.

Selling BTC for cash in Los Angeles. DM me!
mellorbo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 620
Merit: 500


View Profile
March 28, 2014, 03:23:16 PM
 #4580

I don't understand, you collected hundreds of thousands of dollars in pre-orders and you have no staff to put the things together?

Chips are expensive. Total cost per build is coming in at 4900-5400 as of now. We've sold several at between 4799-5399, almost 60% - so yes at this facility we are short staffed today.

Yes, unfortunate that you are short staffed.

However, it doesn't not excempt you from your obligations.   If you made a bad business decision by pricing the miners incorrectly, then you might as well give us a refund.

A full refund is the cheapest way right now for you to exit your obligations.   There are lawsuits pilling up,   if you ship your units, you are obligated to MPP.   Your staff will need to start spending time in small claims court.  The debt collectors are also coming.



No actually you need to mine for 6 months before being upgraded, please read the MPP carefully. And maybe we can try and help you out here.


AM i missing something here ... where does it state you have to mine for 6 months?
all i see is if its not profitable by shipment date you upgrade free.


AMT knows that the SHA-256 coin mining space is somewhat volatile and coin miners can be somewhat concerned with hardware purchases these days. That’s why we guarantee enough hashing power to meet ROI and then some, when mining SHA-256 coin. If the networks increases to a point where your investment in our technology is no longer profitable, AMT will upgrade your Miner to the next level Miner absolutely free. We want our clientele to succeed and prosper together with.

Miner protection is automatically applied to all purchases from AMT and is valid from the date 09/26/2013. Although in the future, we may add this as an additional paid option during the purchase process. Purchases prior to this update are covered under the Miner protection plan automatically.
How it works:

AMT will receive your order, if the networks hash rate increases to the point where your miner can no longer meet ROI we will upgrade your miner to the next level of AMT miners.
Example:

If you purchase an AMT Steadfast 80ghs and the network hash rate increases to the point where your mining cannot meet ROI from the suggested shipment date for a six month time period, while mining SHA-256 coin, we will ship you a AMT 220ghs absolutely free.
It’s that simple.

Although, there maybe some clientele who would like to mine other SHA-256 coin because other SHA-256 coins are actually more profitable than Bitcoin in the moment. Those clients can opt to receive their miner as planned. If the networks increases to the point where the buyer cannot meet ROI, we will allow the buyer to decide if he/she would like to participate in the AMT miner protection program prior to their miner being shipped. When the buyer’s miner is ready to be shipped, we will give that buyer the option of shipping the original miner which they purchased, or to upgrade to the next AMT miner which will allow them to meet ROI and more. Although, the buyer will have to wait until that unit/model/miner is available for shipment of course. We will contact each buyer either by telephone or email with this option at the time of shipment.

If the network increases so much that the next level miner also can’t meet ROI, the product upgrade will continue to the next AMT product which is profitable. Therefore, no matter what happens, our clientele will be left a ROI either way. Plain and simple. We want our clientele to know that AMT cares about it’s clientele and AMT is a brand that consumers can rely on and trust.

ROI is defined as “a return on investment”.
Pages: « 1 ... 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 [229] 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 ... 320 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!