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I really can’t say what the problem is with the Super Eagles and why they keep disappointing us on the international stage. We have a great team and a worthy squad, could it be that we are yet to get a good coach is that the problem or is it that the boys are not giving everything for the nation. What really is the problem? I have given a lot of thought and still couldn’t find any answers.

I am not Nigerian, but from the many similar cases I have seen, in my opinion the problem lies in the organization. If the top Nigerian football managers had chosen a good coach early on, that coach would have started working very early and would have been able to choose players who are eager to work and who produce good results, and would have tested them in friendly matches.

But since the Nigerian managers chose the coach late, he is very limited. There are no major changes he can make to bring good results. In football, good results do not come overnight. The coach needs time to organize the team.

[knowngunman]

There are many things contributing to the team's poor performance and the main one is that the players aren't putting in their best performance for the country but you can't blame them because they have a job they have to get back to and when they put it all on the field without getting the same treatment back from the national side when they get injured or in wages, it affects their job.

Only players like Osimhen that's value highly at his club can take those risks as he does because no matter what happens to him , he has the backing of the club to make him recover fast to come score goals for them. You can see the results he give shis club when compared to that of the super eagles and that's because he isn't getting the quality he receives from his team players on club level.

They're not giving their best to their motherland and that's just the fact. The issue of having a job to get back to or not having a proper treatment if they get injured would not make sense to me as a convincing reason. There is home before abroad and their sacrifice for our dear nation will not go unnoticed or unappreciated. They were privilege but taking it for granted, people are out here ready to offer their best but they don't have that opportunity. They should consider themselves with their western counterparts and see how they play with their whole life while playing for their homeland. Let be sincere, no government or sponsor will be ready to invest where there is no positive result. Our super eagle performance has never been encouraging that'll warrant governments heavy intervention.

[Marykeller]

I really can’t say what the problem is with the Super Eagles and why they keep disappointing us on the international stage. We have a great team and a worthy squad, could it be that we are yet to get a good coach

We could have a great coach, but because of the stupid deadline set by the NFF and the limited time he has to build the team, he may never be able to prove himself.

The day the NFF comes to the realization that jumping from one coach to another is not always a solution to the failing performance of our Super Eagles but rather giving one coach enough time to build the team, that is the day that we will actually see progress in our national team side.

Jose Poseiro still would have been good. He should have had more time.

Jose Poseiro was the perfect coach made for the Super Eagles, but NFF allowed him to go because of the intentions they had, to have a coach that would abide by their bidding.

It is terrible that up to date, the Super Eagles are still finding it difficult to have a good coach that will last long with the team. Don't be surprised if Eric Chelle is let go if the Super Eagles don't make it up to the World Cup next year.

One of the major problems in the Super Eagles team I noticed is that NFF doesn't have a long-term plan of building the squad of Super Eagles with the coach. If the  coach doesn't go with the terms of the NFF at any time, he should get ready to be shown the exit door

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I really can’t say what the problem is with the Super Eagles and why they keep disappointing us on the international stage. We have a great team and a worthy squad, could it be that we are yet to get a good coach is that the problem or is it that the boys are not giving everything for the nation. What really is the problem? I have given a lot of thought and still couldn’t find any answers.

Last weekend Fulham won Liverpool in the Premier League where the best goal in that game was scored by Alex Iwobi a Super Eagle player. He is the only Nigerian to score 30 plus goals and 30 plus assist in the Premiere League competition. Now you see how this guys are perforning in their club side but when it comes to the international level they play the game anyhow they feel like. Honestly the level of effort they are putting in international games is not compared to what they put at their club side.

[Fiatless]

Last weekend Fulham won Liverpool in the Premier League where the best goal in that game was scored by Alex Iwobi a Super Eagle player. He is the only Nigerian to score 30 plus goals and 30 plus assist in the Premiere League competition. Now you see how this guys are perforning in their club side but when it comes to the international level they play the game anyhow they feel like. Honestly the level of effort they are putting in international games is not compared to what they put at their club side.

A few years ago I watched a match between a club and a country's national team. The football club beat the national team mercilessly.  Clubs are well organised and managed than most national teams.  players might find it difficult to play at the same level in the national team because for some reasons.

Firstly,  they spend more time in the club training and preparing for games on the club's side than the national team. In most cases international breaks last for a few days and this will not be enough to build a good side.

Secondly,  clubs have better coaches, training facilities and better remuneration  Some players might be exceptional like Victor Osimhen but other players struggle to maintain the same level in the national team.

[Doan9269]

No 3-point deductions have been made on the South Africa team yet; I believe before their next match on September 3rd against Lesotho, we will know what the final action of FIFA would be like against South Africa.

The 3-point deduction is not a good one on the South African team. It will seriously throw Group C wide open again, giving teams that are below the first spot that South Africa occupies to think of performing better than they have performed in their previous matches, maybe to appear at the top of the Group C table.

FIFA already awarded the 3 points to Lesotho with also the 3 goals scored by South Africa. So, it is 3 goals and 3 points straight to Lesotho. Anyway, the Bafana Bafana still remains unbeaten in the World Cup Qualifiers. They still maintain their positions as first in the table.

Also, Lesotho has withdrawn the complaint filed to FIFA immediately the announcement was made.

Source: world-cup-qualifiers-south-africa-to-lose.html

FIFA made the right decision, FIFA rules are laid down and this is the punishment to get for such kind of offense. Lucky enough South Africa are not going to feel the impact of the point deduction that much, they are still topping the group and are still very much likely to qualify than Lesotho. I believe this is a wake up call to south Africa and other African nations to always check at their records before featuring any player, as south Africa made this mistake without proper checking of their record book, because you cannot tell me that they consciously knew about the two yellow card that player has gotten and yet they went ahead in featuring him.
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Is this not why we also encourage the Super Eagle to always be at their top performance in case of anything like this, which may not have a significant effect on them if they experience point deduction through a player, South Africa is not going to feel the impact because they are already on the top of the table and this will have no any significant effect on them, this same performance speed is what we sought out from our own Nigerian Super Eagles, whereby the confidence will always be there for them to receive any challenge because they can withstand it either on the team or thier players.

[Pokapoka124]

Last weekend Fulham won Liverpool in the Premier League where the best goal in that game was scored by Alex Iwobi a Super Eagle player. He is the only Nigerian to score 30 plus goals and 30 plus assist in the Premiere League competition. Now you see how this guys are perforning in their club side but when it comes to the international level they play the game anyhow they feel like. Honestly the level of effort they are putting in international games is not compared to what they put at their club side.

A few years ago I watched a match between a club and a country's national team. The football club beat the national team mercilessly.  Clubs are well organised and managed than most national teams.  players might find it difficult to play at the same level in the national team because for some reasons.

Firstly,  they spend more time in the club training and preparing for games on the club's side than the national team. In most cases international breaks last for a few days and this will not be enough to build a good side.

Secondly,  clubs have better coaches, training facilities and better remuneration  Some players might be exceptional like Victor Osimhen but other players struggle to maintain the same level in the national team.

Players are more used to playing with their club teammates than in their national team hence the lack of synergy between players in the national team. I disagree with you on your second point, I think it differs from country to country and cannot be generalized. Some countries spend a lot of money to provide the best quality of care and facilities for their players.

[Roseline492]

A few years ago I watched a match between a club and a country's national team. The football club beat the national team mercilessly.  Clubs are well organised and managed than most national teams.  players might find it difficult to play at the same level in the national team because for some reasons.

Firstly,  they spend more time in the club training and preparing for games on the club's side than the national team. In most cases international breaks last for a few days and this will not be enough to build a good side.

For management, clubs are just the same as the country national team except that for clubs they are paid on weekly basis while for the country national team they are not paid that way, so the difference I saw between the two is the attachment because all the players on every clubs started growing together on the team for years, so they have every understand they needed as one but this is contrary to the country national team, so is obvious they can hardly win a club, as it is now the lowest club on the premier League cannot be won be the eagles because they will beat them, so that's the power clubs has over national team, however we have not been seeing national team against a clubs this days.

[Coyster]

Jose Poseiro still would have been good. He should have had more time.

Mind you that Jose Poseiro was not fired by the NFF. Jose Poseiro was actually offered a new contract after he led the Super Eagles to the final of the 2023 African Cup of Nations. That said, Poseiro turned down the offer and decided to leave the Super Eagles, thus you can see that it was no fault of the NFF, it was the sole decision of the Portuguese manager to go elsewhere.

[Fiatless]

For management, clubs are just the same as the country national team except that for clubs they are paid on weekly basis while for the country national team they are not paid that way, so the difference I saw between the two is the attachment because all the players on every clubs started growing together on the team for years, so they have every understand they needed as one but this is contrary to the country national team, so is obvious they can hardly win a club, as it is now the lowest club on the premier League cannot be won be the eagles because they will beat them, so that's the power clubs has over national team, however we have not been seeing national team against a clubs this days.

Clubs are better managed than national teams. National teams are mainly sponsored by the government, which is why corruption and tribal and religious sentiments can exist in its operations. But clubs are owned by individuals or organization whose aim it to maximize profits. It's like comparing privately run businesses and public corporations.

A recent example is the case of Alphonso Davies. He was injured while representing his country Canada. Even with a serious knee injury Canadian soccer federation sent him back to Germany without any medication assessment. The Bayern Munich player had to take a 12-hour intercontinental back to his club without necessary medical assistance. A club will not neglect its players in this manner.

[Slow death]

Clubs are better managed than national teams. National teams are mainly sponsored by the government, which is why corruption and tribal and religious sentiments can exist in its operations. But clubs are owned by individuals or organization whose aim it to maximize profits. It's like comparing privately run businesses and public corporations.

Here in Africa, corruption is not only in the football federations, it is also in the clubs and in the transfers of players to Europe and even in the hiring of national coaches and club coaches. This all gets worse because in Africa democracy is almost non-existent, so the political parties of liberation against colonialism took Africa as their private property. That's why Africa doesn't develop in terms of sports at the same pace as other continents

look at where the legendary players of the great African teams are. They were supposed to be leading African football, but no, they keep putting people in charge who belong to the political party that fought against the colonizers.

[Richbased]

Jose Poseiro still would have been good. He should have had more time.

Mind you that Jose Poseiro was not fired by the NFF. Jose Poseiro was actually offered a new contract after he led the Super Eagles to the final of the 2023 African Cup of Nations. That said, Poseiro turned down the offer and decided to leave the Super Eagles, thus you can see that it was no fault of the NFF, it was the sole decision of the Portuguese manager to go elsewhere.

We know that Jose Poseiro left upon the expiry of his contract with the Nigerian National team but if the coach was treated well he couldn't have left. He left because he wasn't getting the kind of supported he needed from the NFF, regardless that he performed greatly at the 2023 AFCON, the decision he took to leave the club at the end of his contract was a nice one because if he had continued, he could have witnessed more unfair situations from the NFF. The NFF is trying to kill football in Nigeria because i have heard a lot of cases where even the players who left their various clubs in Europe to perform on International duties, but they were not taken care of by the NFF.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Mind you that Jose Poseiro was not fired by the NFF. Jose Poseiro was actually offered a new contract after he led the Super Eagles to the final of the 2023 African Cup of Nations. That said, Poseiro turned down the offer and decided to leave the Super Eagles, thus you can see that it was no fault of the NFF, it was the sole decision of the Portuguese manager to go elsewhere.

Probably he saw that there wasn't anything he can do to better this super eagles team, looking at the players there are talents all round the field but yet they're underperforming. Initially his contract ended but was extended for him to get the super egales to the semi finals but he over performed and got us to the finals which he almost won. When things turn out like this, managers get another shot but I guess he didn't want to spoil things for himself because managers getting sacked isn't as nice as them resigning by themselves after achieving some success with the team. This present team can achieve so much if things begin to work well for the squad. A quality manager might just be our problem because I don't think we need additional players with what we have currently. Maybe just few subs that can change the game.

[Roseline492]

For management, clubs are just the same as the country national team except that for clubs they are paid on weekly basis while for the country national team they are not paid that way, so the difference I saw between the two is the attachment because all the players on every clubs started growing together on the team for years, so they have every understand they needed as one but this is contrary to the country national team, so is obvious they can hardly win a club, as it is now the lowest club on the premier League cannot be won be the eagles because they will beat them, so that's the power clubs has over national team, however we have not been seeing national team against a clubs this days.

Clubs are better managed than national teams. National teams are mainly sponsored by the government, which is why corruption and tribal and religious sentiments can exist in its operations. But clubs are owned by individuals or organization whose aim it to maximize profits. It's like comparing privately run businesses and public corporations.

A recent example is the case of Alphonso Davies. He was injured while representing his country Canada. Even with a serious knee injury Canadian soccer federation sent him back to Germany without any medication assessment. The Bayern Munich player had to take a 12-hour intercontinental back to his club without necessary medical assistance. A club will not neglect its players in this manner.

I never thought about the religious sentiments about country national team in comparison to a club, so you are right because so long is the federal government that usually fund it there must be tribal sentiment especially when the organizers belong to a particular region. So the sector I was talking about in terms of management was the arrangement of players and doing what management does better but however I get your point because I have seen how government and private owners treat their asset because government usually give it to other people who might not even have wheel to do it as their own but private they are their to oversees everything, so agree on this that clubs are better since they could be individual own. However about Alphonso Davies he could be the one that wants his club medical team to treat him because a kneel is a crucial part of the body and might not be good for different hands to be operating on it, so going back to his club then could be what I'm thinking of.

[Barikui1]

Is this not why we also encourage the Super Eagle to always be at their top performance in case of anything like this, which may not have a significant effect on them if they experience point deduction through a player, South Africa is not going to feel the impact because they are already on the top of the table and this will have no any significant effect on them, this same performance speed is what we sought out from our own Nigerian Super Eagles, whereby the confidence will always be there for them to receive any challenge because they can withstand it either on the team or thier players.

In as much as it's like a big relief for our super eagles ambition of qualiifying for next year world cup, but it's saddens me that things like this must happen for we to stand a chance to qualify, how can we be so helpless to the point that we must be hoping for bad thing to happen to our major rival before we can compete and qualify with the kind of calibre of players at our disposal.
It's a good news actually but can we beat the south Africans team on their own turf when we go against them in few months time?

Our super eagles team seriously needs to improve and step up their game because if they had won this immediate past game against Zimbabwe, by now it would have been just a point that the south Africans team will be leading us by now, but am not that happy yet still we beat the south Africans team on their soil, that's when I will be quite confident of our qualification to the world cup next year.

[SatoPrincess]

Jose Poseiro still would have been good. He should have had more time.

Mind you that Jose Poseiro was not fired by the NFF. Jose Poseiro was actually offered a new contract after he led the Super Eagles to the final of the 2023 African Cup of Nations. That said, Poseiro turned down the offer and decided to leave the Super Eagles, thus you can see that it was no fault of the NFF, it was the sole decision of the Portuguese manager to go elsewhere.

Jose Poseiro was not sacked but he didn’t get a lot of support from the NFF nor the fans, I believe that’s why he resigned. Jose Poseiro was under a lot of heat from everyone because he could not win the AFCON, I believe that if Poseiro had not left the Super Eagles at the time he would have been sacked by now.

[Coyster]

We know that Jose Poseiro left upon the expiry of his contract with the Nigerian National team but if the coach was treated well he couldn't have left. He left because he wasn't getting the kind of supported he needed from the NFF, regardless that he performed greatly at the 2023 AFCON

Jose Poseiro was not sacked but he didn’t get a lot of support from the NFF nor the fans, I believe that’s why he resigned. Jose Poseiro was under a lot of heat from everyone because he could not win the AFCON,

What the hell are some of you guys even talking about, what do you mean by the manager was not treated well or that he didn't get any support from the NFF. Jose Poseiro was paid an initial $70,000 monthly, before it was reduced to $50,000 monthly, plus other bonuses, you want to tell me a manager who was earning this high was treated unfairly, are you guys joking or something.

That said, you are talking about heat, which i take to mean pressure, which manager in the world isn't under pressure, Ruben Amorim at United is under pressure, Pep at City is under pressure, i can go on and on, the job of a manager comes with pressure. Sometimes i have a feeling you guys enjoy casting aspersions on the NFF for unfounded reasons.

[SatoPrincess]

We know that Jose Poseiro left upon the expiry of his contract with the Nigerian National team but if the coach was treated well he couldn't have left. He left because he wasn't getting the kind of supported he needed from the NFF, regardless that he performed greatly at the 2023 AFCON

Jose Poseiro was not sacked but he didn’t get a lot of support from the NFF nor the fans, I believe that’s why he resigned. Jose Poseiro was under a lot of heat from everyone because he could not win the AFCON,

What the hell are some of you guys even talking about, what do you mean by the manager was not treated well or that he didn't get any support from the NFF. Jose Poseiro was paid an initial $70,000 monthly, before it was reduced to $50,000 monthly, plus other bonuses, you want to tell me a manager who was earning this high was treated unfairly, are you guys joking or something.

That said, you are talking about heat, which i take to mean pressure, which manager in the world isn't under pressure, Ruben Amorim at United is under pressure, Pep at City is under pressure, i can go on and on, the job of a manager comes with pressure. Sometimes i have a feeling you guys enjoy casting aspersions on the NFF for unfounded reasons.

You tagged me so I’m going to respond. When I said that Jose Poseiro didn’t get a lot of support from the NFF, I wasn’t referring to his salary. I was referring to the how Nigerians blamed the manager any time the team lost a game, drawn or even won by a small goal margin. There wasn’t a lot of faith placed on Poseiro, that’s my point.

[Ndabagi01]

Our super eagles team seriously needs to improve and step up their game because if they had won this immediate past game against Zimbabwe, by now it would have been just a point that the south Africans team will be leading us by now, but am not that happy yet still we beat the south Africans team on their soil, that's when I will be quite confident of our qualification to the world cup next year.

We will be closer to South Africa in the table but not that close as you’ve said, just one point will not be what is dividing us now because they’re currently leading us with more than four points as it is now with equal number of matches played by all teams in the group. Super Eagles had their chances but I am most surprised that they failed to use them and are now looking for easy baits to get a qualifications, that’s if the point reduction on the South African teams gets reduced. Zimbabwe was not a team they could have drew the match with, they dominated the game and never would have allowed them to get that equaliser. Even if they beat South Africa in their home, what is their chances of still making it to the World Cup when only one team that tops the table has an automatic qualification for the title.

[Alpha Marine]

Jose Poseiro was not sacked but he didn’t get a lot of support from the NFF nor the fans, I believe that’s why he resigned. Jose Poseiro was under a lot of heat from everyone because he could not win the AFCON, I believe that if Poseiro had not left the Super Eagles at the time he would have been sacked by now.

He was too pragmatic. You don't win trophies playing that. You have to be extremely lucky to win a trophy playing like that, and Nigeria were lucky enough to get to the final. A team that had some of the finest talent in Africa couldn't dominate teams and win, they had to defend and rely on the counter. That's a very horrible way to play football.
I will understand if you're playing a team that is heads and shoulders better than you, but teams that you're better than you have to dominate, you have to be confident and make them scared of you, not the other way around.

The mistake the NFF made was not hiring a competent replacement when he left. Nigeria have the talent to win the AFCON and qualify easily for the World Cup, but the incompetence of the NFF wouldn't let them get their decisions right.