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August 20, 2014, 10:30:43 PM
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anyone care to summarize how big/important Amagi is in the pm space?  never dealt with them before...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130831.0

I have used them before.  Excellent service.


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August 20, 2014, 11:24:31 PM
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anyone care to summarize how big/important Amagi is in the pm space?  never dealt with them before...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130831.0

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thanks.

wow, a year and 9mo of Bitcoin acceptance experience.  they do understand Bitcoin then.  and it seems quite well.  it also must be treating them extremely well to make such a drastic switch away from USD and indirectly away from gold.  

if that's not a statement, i don't know what is.

edit:  btw, i love that logo
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August 21, 2014, 12:01:32 AM
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Amagi Metals to stop accepting dollars, only crypto!  That's friggin' bullish as hell! Cheesy

https://www.amagimetals.com/info/no-dollars-after-2016/

holy crap.  that is amazing!

I'm not sure I understand it. Don't people buy PMs primarily because they want to trade away a currency they perceive as being a poor store of value for the commodity with a proven record? If they believe bitcoin also has these properties, are they not just cutting themselves out of the equation, or are they planning on capitalizing on the fees they will inevitably charge to convert dollars to bitcoins before a user can make a purchase?

I'm all for the "Dollars not accepted here" movement, but not really from the people selling bitcoins and PMs.... That's where we want to dump our dollars.
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August 21, 2014, 12:18:39 AM
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Amagi Metals to stop accepting dollars, only crypto!  That's friggin' bullish as hell! Cheesy

https://www.amagimetals.com/info/no-dollars-after-2016/

holy crap.  that is amazing!

I'm not sure I understand it. Don't people buy PMs primarily because they want to trade away a currency they perceive as being a poor store of value for the commodity with a proven record? If they believe bitcoin also has these properties, are they not just cutting themselves out of the equation, or are they planning on capitalizing on the fees they will inevitably charge to convert dollars to bitcoins before a user can make a purchase?

I'm all for the "Dollars not accepted here" movement, but not really from the people selling bitcoins and PMs.... That's where we want to dump our dollars.

It does say "after 2106", which is a few years away. So in the meantime they get loads of free publicity from a bit of hot air. Let's check back in 2017 and see if Amagi are rejecting customers with dollars - I bet not!

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August 21, 2014, 12:37:46 AM
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Amagi Metals to stop accepting dollars, only crypto!  That's friggin' bullish as hell! Cheesy

https://www.amagimetals.com/info/no-dollars-after-2016/

holy crap.  that is amazing!

I'm not sure I understand it. Don't people buy PMs primarily because they want to trade away a currency they perceive as being a poor store of value for the commodity with a proven record? If they believe bitcoin also has these properties, are they not just cutting themselves out of the equation, or are they planning on capitalizing on the fees they will inevitably charge to convert dollars to bitcoins before a user can make a purchase?

I'm all for the "Dollars not accepted here" movement, but not really from the people selling bitcoins and PMs.... That's where we want to dump our dollars.

Amagi doesn't want your USD's, they want your BTC.  also, from the sounds of it, they like BTC better than gold.
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August 21, 2014, 01:03:35 AM
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Bitcoin UP, everything else DOWN.

Wrong: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcbtc  and https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcusd   Grin Grin Grin

Cypher you know better than to spread misinformation. Come on man.  Roll Eyes

GO smoothie GO!!!

Looks like you quoted it for you to preview before posting it. Thanks for clarifying what "everything" is and isn't. How can one assume it doesn't include Alts when you appear to discuss them on a daily basis in this very thread?  Roll Eyes


and as for "everything", i'd bet 10 USD that i used the term for just those assets as i defined them back when you were subbed to my letter.  there's no inconsistency.  i'll try to be clearer next time.

I can honestly say that I do not remember you defining "everything" to mean only those assets/investments.

I appreciate your willingness to be more clear in the future.

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August 21, 2014, 01:10:14 AM
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Amagi Metals to stop accepting dollars, only crypto!  That's friggin' bullish as hell! Cheesy

https://www.amagimetals.com/info/no-dollars-after-2016/

Something tells me that we may not have to wait that long for that to happen. Currently I don't accept USD for any of my products either. Makes things much simpler for payment processing.

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August 21, 2014, 01:24:54 AM
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Schiff agreed to the bet that will cost the loser 1 Bitcoin*, assuring our CEO that the price of Bitcoin will eventually plummet. In the background a familiar voice called out to Schiff saying, “You might be making a risky bet Peter.

Theres no doubt right away today thats a rubbish bet for Schiff.     If bitcoin fails and the amagi guy has to pay 3 dollars for a btc or less, then its hardly much of a penalty.  
If schiff loses and bitcoin is worth 100k then its going to sting a hell of a lot more

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*edit* Stephen Macaskill will receive 1 BTC if he wins, and Peter Schiff will win 1/2 Ozt. of gold if he wins.
edit just spotted that, makes alot more sense

The only extra point is that gold is also likely to rise if bitcoin did go up that much but its not certain. So schiff holding gold is not going bankrupt but its very true that bitcoin could rise significantly more.   Just in terms of supply, gold is likely to be mined to a greater degree and as the price rises then its supply increases as it becomes worthwhile.
Thats not a bet, we know today that is for certain.  If gold rises I know there are thousands of mines just ready to open and start returning ounces and they arent bothering now as its expensive but the gold is there.  Various reasons, could be the mine is flooded and needs alot of pumps.  
  Switch to bitcoin and again its not a bet, we know the supply is fixed and the price cannot increase the amount in fact there are less BTC mined every year.    
So his bet is more like one made as if the protocol will be broken, is he a crypto specialist? nope


So its a crap bet and really schiff is being absolute and a bit reckless on a subject he is not learned on.   Who is his tech advisor, never heard him mention one.  He is great on fundamentals but when he says BTC must fail because its not backed by anything, is he forgetting dollar is increasingly just a cotton rag with a promise on it and we been using it for decades in that state.  Even if btc were to fail, it might take twenty years to play out and price will rise meantime for five years; very possible

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August 21, 2014, 02:01:32 AM
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talk about ridiculous:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/20/u-s-military-bans-the-intercept/
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August 21, 2014, 02:45:46 AM
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shorts in full flight and the green little line still hasn't even turned up yet:

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August 21, 2014, 04:04:08 AM
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Paging traderCJ & Teebone!

oh noes!  gold commencing the plunge!:

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August 21, 2014, 04:07:46 AM
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up close and dirty.

tonite's futures:

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August 21, 2014, 04:11:24 AM
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traderCJ & Teebone,

i warned you about this.  and guess what?  Bitcoin unaffected!:

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August 21, 2014, 09:35:20 AM
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Just read the May '14 paper by Peter Surda The origin, classification and utility of Bitcoin (worth a read).

There's many quotes from austrian economics in there. Here's two I find especially notable:

Quote from: Mises
He who owns a stock of goods of a high degree of secondary
marketability is in a position to restrict his cash holding.

Quote from: Mises
Gold cannot be produced in a cheaper way by any governmental bureau, committee, institution, office, international agency, or so on.
This is the only justification for the gold standard. One has tried again and again to find some method to substitute these qualities of gold in some other way. But all these methods have failed, and will ever fail as long as governments are committed to the idea that it is all right for a government, which has not collected enough money to pay its expenses by taxing its citizens or by borrowing on the market, to increase the quantity of money simply by printing it.

I disagree with the bolded part. No, we will not fail to find a method to substitute these qualities (scarcity, cannot be produced at will by govt) of gold. In fact we already found it: the method is Bitcoin. I don't care what ideas the governments are commited to. We are the people and we decide what we use as money. Now all we have to do is elevate Bitcoin from status of a medium of exchange to the category of money by using it as a unit of account and make it be widely accepted for payment.

To quote some dude from the teaser (worth a watch, length 2:23) of documentary (or should I say "Bitcoin propaganda film"?) "crypto for the masses" (relevant thread by Meni Rosenfeld): "Money is not the property of the state, it belongs to the citizens. And the state knows it."

Bitcoin is a weapon... similar to a pitchfork regarding usage patterns, it might turn out in retrospect.

Quote from: crypto for the masses teaser
It's also a currency. You can buy a fallafel with it. So What?

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August 21, 2014, 11:34:14 AM
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Gold collapsing. Bitcoin up.
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August 21, 2014, 11:42:22 AM
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US collapsing.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x246nwe_%CE%B7-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%B3%CE%BC%CE%AE-%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%85-%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CE%B1%CF%83%CF%84%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%AF-%CE%B5%CE%BA%CF%84%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%8D%CE%BD-%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BD-25%CF%87%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%BF-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%BC%CE%B9%CE%B6%CE%BF%CF%8D%CF%81%CE%B9_news

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August 21, 2014, 12:05:19 PM
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Dear Shorts,

it's only going to get worse when that little green line turns UP.

Sincerely,

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calculated at current price, that "little green line" is still 5 times higher than the red one.


I wonder if that is the market pricing in the relative "danger" of borrowing bitcoin?
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August 21, 2014, 12:26:08 PM
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Gold has an up and coming date with Bitcoin. Satoshi won't be kind this time by putting his fist through the face of gold.

Although we can't be sure Satoshi isn't a woman who doesn't believe in violence. Even so, when it happens, you gotta believe there will be some sort of fireworks. 
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August 21, 2014, 12:58:47 PM
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Gold has an up and coming date with Bitcoin. Satoshi won't be kind this time by putting his fist through the face of gold.

Although we can't be sure Satoshi isn't a woman who doesn't believe in violence. Even so, when it happens, you gotta believe there will be some sort of fireworks. 

considering we are talking about two arbitrary units (1 bitcoin, and 1 oz) compared to a third party (usd), you must see how ridiculous this is. but i agree, it is exciting for some reason... go humans Smiley
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August 21, 2014, 01:04:38 PM
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Satoshi won't be kind this time by putting his fist through the face of gold.

maybe. Still, BTC is going down from 8 months+ almost no-stop and is less than 50% its ATH.
gold collapsed less atm.

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