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1741  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Minion ASIC - free samples and up to US$20000 discount on: May 07, 2014, 02:09:54 PM
The winner will be the community since the discounts require GPL designs going out that is the focus right? Just a note Marto you want to worry more about making your current customers happier as opposed to worrying about some sort of phony staged competition or race with us. We are not your competition.


Bick this here is a joke in return of you almost caling us scam in Zefir's coincraft tread.
Our problems with customers are in the past.
And our small team of 3 people for design hw sw and production did already 7 succesful mining board projects.
I'm  just inviting you EE team in a small competition for fun.
You chose to change the subject.... Why ?
Are you in or not

In the past? Your problems will be in the past when you refund my BTC1.34 that you stole from me.



Ya he has some gall eh?
1742  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide on: May 07, 2014, 01:09:05 PM
Anyway, back on topic now Tongue

Funny how Kano skews things off topic wherever he goes.
1743  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: May 07, 2014, 11:09:34 AM
Nothing to share as we have not started designing that iteration of the Whiteface / Wasp boards yet. BE200 is 2nd priority right now.
When we have we will share what we can.
1744  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: May 07, 2014, 10:13:10 AM
We are only getting / got 2 chips Grin.

More if we need them supposedly, that is what our EE said last meeting.

As we have already paid for our 1100 Hammer chips we are looking at those shipping today or tomorrow to Seattle from Israel. All those chips will be made into Hammer Whiteface boards most likely. The BE200's will be designed for Wasp and Whiteface. The difference between the Whiteface and Hornet is minimal so those looking for cooling like a standard air / heatsink or a 2 phase Novec system then you will have 2 possibly 3 options with our designs as they will come out at roughly the same time. Noting that the BE200's could be cheap and readily available we are also doing our original Wasp / Hive configuration for the DIY market or for density in smaller sized data center configurations or home use.

Minion and Rockerbox chips we will definitely need to look at water block or single or 2 phase cooling. We are hoping our meeting with Allied Control in at Inside Bitcoin HK in June will prove fruitful.
1745  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: May 07, 2014, 04:53:30 AM
Where did they get 1.5W/GH for KnCMiner from? Or 1.1 for AntMiner?

My October Jupiter is 1.2W/GH measured at the wall.
My AntMiner S2 is 1.0W/GH measured at the wall.

These are measurements I have made myself from equipment that I own and run.

Is BFL comparing estimated Monarch ASIC chip-level power draw in a low power mode (0.35W/GH), versus an exaggerated total-system draw at the wall for competitors?

Looks impressive on paper, but then I remember my Jalapeño was meant to run solely from a USB port, ie 2.5W, whereas the end product draws 35W (I own one and I measured it myself).

Perhaps we should save the power comparisons until some customers have their units and report back with real world at-the-wall power measurements.



And AntMiner uses the 55nm process node, not 28nm. BFL uses the 2 generation ahead process to win, it must be honorable.

Psst. AntMiner wins as it actually exists and ships tomorrow. (MAY 8th Shipping)

When comparing 28nm Rockerbox SP30s vs. 28nm BFL chips who wins then?

Who is shipping that 28nm first if you order today?  Spondoolies Tech.
Who will achieve their power numbers? Spondoolies Tech.
Who makes a cheaper $/gh unit? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has better on time delivery record? Spondoolies Tech.
Who is a more responsive company to question via email? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has a better in house design team? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has fewer lawsuits? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has a higher density unit? Spondoolies Tech.

1746  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: ***Spondoolies Tech SP10 - Shipping May 16 - 1.5Th/s - $3,200*** on: May 07, 2014, 02:51:57 AM
Flogging more units! Nice.

See if I can dig up more coins. Already got an S2 though for May 8th.
1747  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} WHAT THE:!( Butterfly Lads won't deliver the Monarch Till JUNE or JULY:( on: May 07, 2014, 02:28:13 AM
LOL!

In August I will be receiving 2 x 6.5 Th/s SP30s - 2U for under $4500 each DELIVERED. To get the same amount of hash from BFL I would spend over $51,000 USD based on their stated $/gh pricing and have 0 expectation on a delivery date as they have NOTHING working yet. I spent only $8991 USD with shipping to Norway for 13Th/s delivery in August 2014.

There is absolutely NO WAY anyone ordering BFL today or last week will get their units in August 2014. Game over BFL. You lost. I am taking shipment next week of Bitmain S2 for only $2100 USD that does 1 Th/s which is only $ 2.10 / Gh. Much much cheaper than the $ 3.66 / Gh post on BFL site. It is amazing that BFL thinks the competition cost $ 17.50 /GH. They are living in the past or lying on their website.

Power numbers as well. They don't have a working prototype and they are saying their power numbers are better? Please. Proof is in a real working item as we all know what BFL power numbers mean. Pfft. Game over BFL, game over.

1748  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: May 07, 2014, 01:56:56 AM



VS




Oh look a 4U that can't match the 2U SP30s that is air cooled. BFL just give up you lost the battle your product is irrelevant and non-existent. Even if you get it to market the game is over. August for SP30 delivery and they are moving to an even better chip after the Rockerbox. When are you going to deliver that BFL 4U untested 28nm chip, untested cooling, untested rack. Game over. You spend 15+ months developing a 28nm. Spondoolies has released a 65nm chip, miners and have completed design and are now fabricating miners for the 28nm they have and started design on the 3rd gen chips all in a period less than that. Oh my BFL you are toast.

1749  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: BFL Monarch - Delivery Dates on: May 05, 2014, 08:35:30 AM
Does anyone believe that they will deliver at all ?

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners <--- sue them even if they deliver. It is already 15+ months since they started development and over nearly 6 months late for those that initially ordered and you are entitled to an immediate refund according to FTC rules.The same thing with the 65nm and now the 28nm. Planned delays probably got Luke Jr. already working on the firmware so they can "BURN-IN" your unit for a few months more why you wait.
1750  Other / Off-topic / Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. WTF? on: May 05, 2014, 04:20:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqac7QLpm_k


May 2, 2014 - Bill Maher used his final New Rule Friday night to tell CNN it's time to stop obsessively covering MH370 already and just move on. He said to anyone still glued to CNN, "You're not a caring person unraveling a mystery, you're just a ghoul sitting on the remote." Maher exasperatedly explained that millions and millions are being spent on a search that could last for years, and beyond CNN caring about it, maybe the search for the plane just needs to end. He pointed out plane travel is statistically very safe now and said, "You know what's riskier? Everything. Driving. Walking. Taking a shower. Living in Chicago. Hunting with Dick Cheney. Dating Chris Brown."

He determined that the public's fascination with the missing plane is based on our "obsessive need for the magic of closure," and assured people that sometimes in life, we don't get the answers to everything. Sometimes "it's okay to quit looking."
1751  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs on: May 05, 2014, 04:14:36 AM
Wonder what sort of questions Josh will be asked at the class action lawsuit about Eclipse and BFL?
1752  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bfl march refund offer stat sheet. on: May 05, 2014, 03:56:47 AM
BFL had a black friday sale where they swore everything was in stock.

A week later people began posting that BFL was saying it was a preorder and it will ship when available,

Disgusting

Ponzi? or Pyramid?
1753  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: May 05, 2014, 03:49:18 AM
The point of BCP is to derail and obfuscate the reality of BFL.

Note that anytime there is a link posted that states damning facts against BFL he or other shills come out of the woodwork to bury the information.


1754  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide on: May 04, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
You are saying that "need" is something I am inventing, but you know as well as I do that without the support of the free miners, BFL would not be where they are today.
Except that while you claim to be inventing, you're forgetting that BFL support came from me, and you and Con only decided to fork it so that you could steal credit for it...

I overhauled Luke-jr's BFL code to make it more robust, but also slight more efficent (cpu usage wise).
P_Shep definitely did make notable contributions to the BFL driver. Smiley

Ya I wouldn't be throwing any stones Kano. Especially when ckolivas basically says you extort people for mining equipment. To paraphrase a pm he sent me September 17, 2013,: 'Just give him a miner and he will leave you alone.'
1755  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs on: May 04, 2014, 01:12:08 PM
And the story continues...

Did you mention that you sold Eclipse at this time anywhere to anyone?
1756  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: May 04, 2014, 01:09:18 PM
Sonny V. Gets 2 more years probation.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

Article outlines BFL "strong smell"
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/

Original Mail Fraud
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radDocs/PressRoom/nr110114.htm

Sonny Chris Vleisides, 39, previously of Kansas City, MO was arrested in 2007 and held two years in Italy before he was extradited to the United States. Vleisides was sentenced to 14 months in prison followed by three years supervised release after pleading to one count of mail fraud.

JUDGMENT AND PROBATION/COMMITMENT ORDER for Sonny V.
http://ia600500.us.archive.org/15/items/gov.uscourts.cacd.383557/gov.uscourts.cacd.383557.191.0.pdf

Current Class Action Against BFL
http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04%20Complaint.pdf

===============

In the past BFL_Josh and Inaba have lied... and if you are really looking for dirt go find any reference where he states they never mined with customers equipment or where he eludes to Eclipse mining being sold when he joined BFL. That could be useful in court.

I was trying to avoid calling you a liar, but the bottom line is you are lying.
Interesting.

I think the best response here is by using your words:
"please provide some evidence"

In this thread Inaba made a post which in context clearly 'shoulda' been made by BFL_Josh. When I pointed that out (which I thought was an attempt to be helpful) Inaba posted that 'It doesn't really matter since everyone knows I'm using two accounts'. (paraphrased from memory since the original post is deleted.)

My post where I pointed out the mistake, here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97269.msg1151000#msg1151000

The post I was responding to:

Deleted.

Post that I paraphrased above.

Deleted.

Which is when I referenced Orwells' "Memory Hole" here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97269.msg1151255#msg1151255

"The only post that was "deleted" was the one where you yourself bitched about which account I was posting with"
And the one where you stated that it didn't matter which account you posted with.
That is two. That is multiple.

In my capacity as a representative of BFL, I post as BFL_Josh, for other things, I post as Inaba.

I guess "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/1998/09/bill_clinton_and_the_meaning_of_is.html

In the post referenced above I pointed out to you where, IMO, you had mistakenly posted as Inaba when you meant to use the BFL_Josh account. Your response, now deleted, was that it didn't really matter.

Later, after this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97269.msg1151111#msg1151111
you deleted the post where you stated 'it doesn't matter', and the first one I pointed out. And, probably, reposted the contents of the first one erroneously made as Inaba as BFL_Josh. As you should have to begin with. (Which is a pretty damn trivial issue. But calling me a liar isn't.)

This is the sequence. These are facts.

You have escalated the tone here multiple times:
"those individuals lied and any accusations they made were completely fabricated"
"so please be careful what you accuse me of, because I can prove you wrong if you are just making things up"

So, please. Prove me wrong. Or apologize.
1757  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide on: May 04, 2014, 09:49:41 AM
+1 I agree with that.

How is it possible that people don't realise that there is an economic incentive in creating and maintaining such a list?

How is it possible that I post a question in your thread, and suddenly the list is corrupt and every company ever is paying me to rate them? Lul. I have made a total sum of -300 hours and $0 from this guide.
...
No, you have been sent hardware ... no idea why you would lie about that $0 since it is obvious and well known.

How is it that that slipped your mind?

(aside: I also receive hardware as cgminer donations)
Because that's an entirely entirely separate side of what I do and that's made very clear both before and after. A good portion of people who request a review actually pull out when they find that I've still given their company a 'bad' rating. You might not have ethics (if you're accusing me) but I do. If you want to accuse me of being biased then you can start a thread in meta or scam accusations.

So yes, the hours spent on this resource for the community nets me $0.

Again I would disagree with Dogie about Avalon but he has his reasons and puts them out for scrutiny of all and doesn't use this position to "pressure" people to give him units to review unlike some in this community who beg for units for any number of reasons. Not seen him once ask for a unit to review they have been given based on his reputation for being fairly neutral. If you are a reputable fab then you would give him a unit knowing you would get an unbiased and fair review. This is a needed service just need more people willing to do the same like Neil at minepeon. At this point in time there are no others reviewing companies in this way. If you don't like what he does then do your own reviews but we all should be thankful someone is doing it. It probably has saved some people financial ruin just by trusting his reviews.
1758  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: May 04, 2014, 04:22:20 AM
Being a shill, being a bad shill and being paid are not mutually exclusive. Being a shill implies you are being or have been compensated (I already linked the definition of shill which you did not read or did not understand). It is clear from the lawsuits and -9000 trust rating for BFL on these forums that you are doing a bad job. You have admitted many times to receiving mining equipment from BFL in exchange for proselytizing your review of their operations.
Really?  You're equating BFL to a religion and claim that I'm trying to convert people to it?  Wow.
No. But yet again you fail to understand the meaning of a word.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=proselytize
pros·e·lyt·ize
ˈpräsələˌtīz
verb
convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.

There is only 1 part of the definition of shill that applies to me, and that is "they have a close relationship with the person or organization".  
The part where you were given a 25GH/s Single by BFL for free in return for your positive review of their operations. You were not the first person they gave mining equipment to in return for misleading information posted on these forums.

As to the trust rating, that just goes to show how sad the trolls here are.  The whole point of that contest was to show the weakness of the trust system, and WHO was the first to jump on board?  The trolls.  Mar 30th the contest was whined about on here and that very same day the trolls jumped at the chance to post negative trust over and over and over again.  ANYONE who 'entered' the contest received negative trust ratings as well.  The trolls are going out of their way to prove the system is broken, which it is.  And since it is broken, then it means nothing other than the fact that a few people can cheat the system.  Hundreds of fake trust rating have been made in the last month and all it does is show that it's broken and abused.  Congrats guys, you made the trust system worthless and are patting yourselves on the back over it.
If the trust rating can be so easily manipulated, then why doesn't BFL have +9000? I guess that is the part where you are not doing your job.

In other news, Bitcoin difficulty is at 8,000,000 and you still don't have your monarch. Close race, who will win?

Take the time to give BCP some negative love. That is how the trust ratings work. BCP is a willing participant in BFL crimes against the community. He should be labelled as such in his trust ratings. bcp19 Give him the rating he deserves. BFL SHILL.

The trust ratings worked fine until Inaba in his infinite logic tried to prove how they were BROKEN by buying others trust with the BFL contest. It is only poetic justice that BFL gets -9000 for that effort. What was wrong with the trust rating is that BFL didn't have -9000 last year. If anything Inaba's gambit balanced out the system properly.
1759  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: May 03, 2014, 05:19:14 PM
HOWEVER, at the point in time that the  house was bought, BFL had a TRUE revenue of $2.5million, of which there had to be some profit. 

Why does there "have to be profit"? From BFL's own chief financial officer while testifying under oath:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

In terms of revenue, in 2012 the company did about $2 and a half million of revenue

I direct your attention that in the financial statement it was stated in 2012 there is a loss of approximately $139,000, whereas on the tax return it's $836,000.

BFL themselves said there was no profit. Their tax returns said they lost $839,000. Their financial statements said they lost $139,000. Yet they bought houses and cars with pre-order money when they knew they wouldn't be shipping product any time soon and they knew there were no profits.

It is very telling that you quote the revenue figure from the  USA v Vleisides 2014 transcript but leave out the part where there was no profit. Talk about cherry picking the data.


Getting much harder for BFL to lie openly here and even harder for BCP to actually come across as truthful. There is a level of ignorance that goes beyond just being unaware. He is purposefully misleading people for some sort of gain it is painfully obvious at this point. Guy can't find the truth let alone tell it.
1760  Other / Meta / Re: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! on: May 03, 2014, 09:28:32 AM
smVh50fsb NEW SPAMMER!

Quote
smVh50fsb -6: -1 / +0(0)   2014-05-03   500.00000000      Bad lang reported

The creativity here is lacking. Seems like the same person keeps making the same negative trust ratings and is finally running out of witty little barbs. Feel free to check the list of people abusing the trust system and give them what they deserve. Or if you want to help bury BFL at court report your story to Wood Law here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners


Here is BFL's list of legal arguments. Let us see what everyone thinks:


And when you try and get a refund then have to go to court for compensation these are the excuses this private company is going to use:

Code:
Defendant BF Labs states the following for its affirmative defenses to Plaintiffs’ Complaint:

1. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as Plaintiffs accepted the terms of their pre-order and
understood that all sales were final and that there was a backlog of orders and production and
delivery of any order may take two months or longer.

2. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs “FAQ” website states it reserves
“the right to handle refund requests on a case by case basis” and pre-ordered products are nonrefundable
as is clearly stated at the time of purchase.

3. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs understood that deliveries may take
two months or more after order.

4. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs expressly agreed to a pre-order
arrangement, knowing delay would be two months or longer and BF Labs was unable to make
any representation regarding the length of delay.

5. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as the products in question are designed and
manufactured in accordance with the standards in the industry.

6. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because the products in question underwent burn
testing for a minimal amount of time and had not be assigned to a customer order at the time of
the burn testing.

7. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because untested products are not finished goods and
could not be customers’ equipment.

8. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred pursuant to K.S.A. 84-2-501, in that the products in
question were not identified in any contract at the time of the pre-order.

9. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because burn testing was done to warrant the product
as fit and suitable for the purposes for which it is sold.

10. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs exercised reasonable care to prevent
and promptly correct any delays that Plaintiffs complains of.

11. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages request cannot be sustained as unconscionable.

12. Each and every claim contained in Plaintiffs’ Complaint fails to state a claim upon
which relief can be granted.

13. Plaintiffs’ claims for damages are barred in whole or in part because Plaintiffs
have suffered no damages.

14. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred in whole or in part based on the doctrine of election
of remedies.

15. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ breaches or failures to perform
conditions precedent or subsequent.

16. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred for the reason that any actions or inactions of BF
Labs were economically justified.

17. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ unclean hands.

18. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages, which are denied, were caused by intervening and
superseding acts over which BF Labs had no control or right of control, thereby barring or
diminishing Plaintiffs’ alleged right of recovery.

19. The damages claimed by Plaintiffs are not recoverable, in whole or in part, under
Kansas or federal law.

20. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by a prior settlement and/or release of those claims or
are barred to the extent Plaintiffs have entered into an accord and satisfaction or otherwise
compromised their claims.

21. In further answer to Plaintiffs’ Complaint and by way of Affirmative Defense,
Defendant adopts all Affirmative Defenses available to it under the Kansas Uniform Commercial
Code or any other Uniform Commercial Code enacted by a state whose substantive law controls
in this action.

22. Defendant’s actions were neither the cause in fact nor the proximate cause of
Plaintiffs’ injuries, if any.

23. Defendant is entitled to the benefit of all defenses and presumptions contained in,
or arising from, any product liability act and/or Kansas Uniform Commercial Code.

24. The alleged damages sustained by Plaintiffs were the result of Plaintiffs’ own
comparative fault or any other “fault” pursuant to K.S.A. 60-258a and, accordingly, Plaintiffs are
barred from recovery or limited in their recovery.

25. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the equitable doctrines of
waiver and estoppel.

26. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of justification.

27. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the doctrine of ratification.

28. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by all applicable statutes of limitation.

29. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, pursuant to First Amendment of
the United States Constitution and similar applicable state constitutional provisions.

30. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of spoliation and the failure to
properly preserve evidence necessary to the proper and just determination of this action.

31. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs entered into an accord and
satisfaction or otherwise compromised their claims.

32. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrines of repudiation and anticipatory
breach.

33. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs prevented BF Labs from
performing.

34. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred based on Plaintiffs’ rejection of goods, as well as
Plaintiffs’ revocation of acceptance of goods.

35. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of mistake.

36. Plaintiffs have failed to mitigate their damages, if any, or otherwise take
reasonable steps to minimize or prevent the damages Plaintiffs claims to have suffered. Plaintiffs
also, once they realized a claim existed, were under an obligation to minimize their alleged loss,
if any. As a result, any recovery against Defendant should be barred, reduced, or offset
accordingly.

37. Plaintiffs’ damages should be reduced as an offset by any amount received by any
other payment to mitigate damages.
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