People might want to contact the Judge and the Probation Officer for Sonny V? They would be very interested in accounts of BFL not paying a full refund as required by FTC regulation. U.S. Probation Officer Courtney N. Pierce Probation and Pretrial Services Office Charles Evan Whittaker Courthouse 400 East 9th Street Kansas City, MO 64106 David Gregory Kays, Chief District Judge Contact Information The judge's most damning comments, however, centered on his overall BFL observations: Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with you, if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's too close. I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying, and it assisted your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part, you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not be tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with. |
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There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
WOW he wouldn't even hang a black guy he hates you say? He's a fucking saint! Seriously your logic gave me a brain tumor. You know there is so much wrong here you just don't know where to start, not only are the comments from PG hate filled and prejudice but then the responses or justifications that seem to just reinforce that basic level ignorance is almost as bad and it really goes to the nature of how we divide humanity into unnecessary categories. There are a lot of bad people on this planet and skin tone has nothing to do with the propensity for evil. Sad but it seems we still live in a world where people think that races even exists and that somehow you can define or pigeonhole people into a specific 'culture' by the gradation of skin coloration of a specific segment of any given population. Very few cultures are distinct and homogeneous in our world today. Humanity no matter the culture has the same necessities, exhibits the same need for a moral code and although you may think we all live in a vacuum of individual rights we are a part of a greater whole that is humanity. You can't exist outside that reality and when you talk about humans in such a negative and hate filled way you say more about how you are outside the norms of humanity than being a member in good standing. Ethically that sort of speech and the defense of it is just wrong. |
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I have a habit of not really concerning myself with other peoples problems so from my own personal point of view I have only had positive experiences with BFL.
Well no one needs to be in the habit of concerning themselves with your reviews of BFL then do they. That pretty much sums up what you are doing. You are trying to whiteknight a company that has clearly, and with ample evidence you have read and are well aware of and still ignored the plight of hundreds of angry BFL customers, screwed people out of millions. Your reasoning is since you got 1 RMA on time they are worthy of praise to counter all the negativity? That is what a paid shill does. The reputation of this company is clearly reported on given the years of bad service your attempt to rehab a company that still is ripping people off with their gh/s offers and the Monarch is beyond me. The fact you think it is somehow necessary to "balance" out the bad with very weak and anecdotal experiences that are easily staged and have been staged in the past then post cut and paste emails with no headers etc? Please. If you want to do the community a service get to know the people you are not concerned with and their problems. BFL's continued scamming affects us all primarily it wastes all our time. If you want good service BFL is not the model check out Dogie's careful review of manufactures here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691Again you seem to think it is alright to live in a vacuum ignoring the reality of the situation. Why does anyone complain about unethical practices? Why do people take the time to read the court cases against BFL and their majority shareholder? Why would anyone be motivated to warn people off buying from BFL? I would respectfully submit there are 2 reasons. 1 they have conscious. 2 they were wronged by BFL. For me it is both. I don't buy your story, the reasons you have to whiteknight BFL do not add up. There is more to why you are doing what you are doing. Ethically you must see how reprehensible it is to ignore others suffering and to promote these crooks. 100's of FTC complaints are documented. I don't buy it for a second you are new to the whole BFL story and that you somehow happened on to the rig of your dreams. Photos of the water damaged unit and the RMA unit stuck somewhere in transmission? Weren't you going to provide some evidence? Unfortunately at this point you make some pretty uncharacteristic claims about BFL but we don't have any verifiable evidence. You need to provide verifiable proof of your claims. And in an effort to make sure any new people are considering BFL please read the article on the Stench at BFL here: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/Revenue and a growing rap sheet
But on September 3, 2013, Vleisides’ probation officer, Courtney Pierce, filed a violation report with the Missouri federal judge handling his case (just over two months after Ars published our first articles about Butterfly Labs and its mining machines). In her memo to the judge, Pierce wrote that Vleisides was now an employee of and the dominant shareholder in BFL, a company which "advertises all of its technology for purchase through pre-order... Vleisides did not seek the express approval of the probation officer prior to engaging in a business that involves the solicitation of funds through pre-orders."
She continued:
The Probation Office has been notified by the US Postal Inspection Service that hundreds of complaints have been filed against BFL from individuals who have placed pre-orders for hardware from BFL.
The seriousness of Vleisides' instant offense [the lottery scam], coupled with his current involvement in a somewhat similar business enterprise are cause for concern.
I am glad that there are people working to bring the rat bastards to justice. Apathy and turning a blind eye to obvious violations is something you might hold as a tenet in your moral make-up but many of us here are not going to ignore what these people have done. You are perpetuating suffering off this community in attempting to rehab BFL. They lost the moral high ground the day they took their first BTC and didn't truthfully have a product for sale and the fact that continues today with the Monarch and their cloud operations is just the tip of cesspool that BFL has created. BFL could have grown into a billion dollar enterprise if that had actually had the intent to sell miners. It is clear to most people who follow mining that is not their motivation. On the heels of Vleisides' probation, BFL now moves immediately to the new lawsuit. Kyle Alexander, and Dylan Symington et al. v. BF Labs (PDF) describes two attempted purchases made by the named plaintiffs. Alexander claims that he paid $308 to BFL in June 2013 for a low-end mining machine. However, despite repeated inquiries to BFL, Alexander was simply told “shipping had begun”—yet his box didn't arrive.
In March 2014, Alexander again asked about his order and was simply informed that it was changed to a “Mining by the GH” (gigahash) product, an as-yet-unreleased product from BFL.
“Plaintiff Kyle Alexander never changed or modified his order and never gave Defendant permission to use the equipment he ordered to mine bitcoins for itself or for anyone else,” says his complaint. “To date, Plaintiff Kyle Alexander has not received any mining equipment from Defendant. Since Plaintiff Kyle Alexander pre-paid for his order of mining equipment from Defendant in June of 2013, numerous bitcoins have been mined by others, and the difficulty of mining new bitcoins has substantially increased over such time.”
The other named plaintiff, Dylan Symington, paid $1,333.00 to BFL in April 2013 but did not receive his order for seven months.
Both men allege that BFL engaged in deception under the Kansas Consumer Protection Act, received unjust enrichment, and made negligent misrepresentation. BFL has yet to formally respond to the new charges. |
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Instead of getting told the rule or looking up the rules for grammar usage the best way to remember and use the word properly you need to do an analysis and figure it out on your own and then use it properly based on your understanding of the rule. That way you will internalize it and use properly. If you can see the pattern and understand the reasoning of the pattern you will then use it properly rather than just remembering the "rule".
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When you are ever in doubt about grammar in English it is best to do a collocation of the word or words you are trying to understand in relation to the other words in sentences. Basically you can do a search for sentences with the words and then copy and paste them in excel so that the word you are looking at is in the center cell. Then analyze the position and the words that are around them. From that you can clearly and quickly get the meaning and usage of the word. This is actually how modern dictionaries are created and a lot English language teaching materials and texts are based on this method as well. For example the Collins Cobuild series of dictionaries and http://www.amazon.co.uk/Collins-Cobuild-English-Grammar/dp/0007393644 grammar texts. So in future you can use Concordances, Collocations and Lexical-based Language Analysis to figure out anything in English you are questioning grammatically. http://corpus2.byu.edu/glowbe/ <--- World's Largest - Download 1.8 billion words of full-text data for GloWbE, or 440 million words of full-text data for COCA. With this data, you will have the corpora on your computer, rather than having to use the web interface. The data comes in three formats: tables for relational databases, word/lemma/PoS (vertical format), or text (linear format). What is a Collocation?
A collocation is made up of two or more words that are commonly used together in English. Think of collocations as words that usually go together. There are different kinds of collocations in English. Strong collocations are word pairings that are expected to come together. Good collocation examples of this type of word pairing are combinations with 'make' and 'do'. You make a cup of tea, but do your homework. Collocations are very common in business settings when certain nouns are routinely combined with certain verbs or adjectives. For example, draw up a contract, set a price, conduct negotiations, etc. http://esl.about.com/od/engilshvocabulary/a/collocations.htmToo  Be careful though. Errors are present... and that is how grammar actually changes. As more and more people use the word in the "wrong" way it becomes the standard. |
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not even any slight clue on what happened to the plane.
Of course we have clues. We dont have much evidence to support our hypotheses, but we have a 777 disappearing over the 3rd largest body of water on this pale blue dot.. Occam's Razor(if you want the paranoid version, it was disintegrated in midair, as it was used as a target for the anti-missile lasers Diego Garcia is equipped with. None of the passengers were harmed, they all were transferred to the dark side of the moon, and will be used as workers in the much-anticipated Mars Colony - Bitcoin Accepted  ) Reason is lost on those with overactive imaginations. |
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I just wanted to share something positive for once.
Meaning you have not shared positive things before? Or is it you know that they have been slammed hard for being scammers and are trying to defend them? Very interesting turn of phrase almost like you have been following this for years not weeks. It is clear you want to say something positive about BFL you have done it 3 times now but when are you going to comment about your thoughts on the negatives aspects? I'd like to hear you comment on those accusations leveled against BFL. The lawsuits? The fact the majority shareholder of BFL just received another 2 years on his probation for his activities related to BFL that Judge clearly thinks STINKS. We want to know what you think of the millions in lost revenue and hundreds if not thousands that have been injured and continue to be injured by BFL? You come across unsympathetic to the plight of those who have been seriously damaged by BFL and given their latest product the Monarch the problems continue to grow each day. People might listen if you balance things out and properly weigh in on those negative issues as well. You can't judge a company on one good review nor one bad review can you? What have you got to say about the millions lost? |
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Spondoolies: I've just stumbled upon this http://takemybitcoins.tvIt's a TV show about bitcoins and they are looking for sponsors. Cough -BFL - Cough - Scam. |
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bright side of my experience:
- good communication of custom service in the context of a delay situation
- fair (?) compensation (600 GH/s instead of 200 GH/s for 4 month delay)
- really easy installation and configuration
- stable hardware performance
dark side of my experience:
- 4 month delay (pre-ordered in October, and should be due in December)
- due to the compensation for a delay the price stated on the invoice trippled and so did the custom tax
- a loose connection on the RJ45 plug (can be fixed by putting a rolled piece of paper between the plug and the box)
How are the units running? |
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276 x $4500 = $1,242,000
Decent little group buy right?
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"It puts the hasher in the basket."
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I got fucked by KNCMINER, COINCRAFT, then Butterfly monarch. They took my money and did not deliver miners as promised. This is no longer acceptable... this is gang rape, not fuck anymore.
Bitmain, Spondoolies Tech, Onestringminers, Noncetech, Gridseed, Lightning/Dragon/Bit-Tech will all make passionate love to you then. Will they pull your hair gently if you ask? |
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Let me clear up a few points here real quick: - BFL stole nothing. Unless someone can provide some proof to the contrary, they are lying.
- BFL has scammed no one. Unless someone can provide proof to the contrary, they are lying. (Go on, ask for proof from the trolls claiming scams, you'll never get it.)
- BFL gave refund for over six months past the estimated shipping date. BFL only stopped giving refunds after shipping started. Anyone who tells you differently is lying.
- There was no promised shipping date for the Monarch line and in fact there were big bold text stating that it is a preorder and subject to delay. Anyone who tells you the Monarch is late and that BFL made promises on delivery time is lying.
- BFL has shipped over 50,000 products in the 65nm line. The failure rate is less than 1% (0.72%) not including power supplies. If you include power supplies, that goes to 1.65%. Far lower than industry average and a simply awesome (lack of) failure rate. Contrast to the other mining companies equipment, which has double digit failure rates and it's even better. Anyone who tells you differently is lying.
- OP's experience is the norm. People rarely come to a forum to post when they have a positive experience, they usually come and post to complain. After 50,000 units shipped and you look at the complaints, that should tell you something. Most people are not complaining, just a handful of disgruntled people and a whole lot of trolls who aren't even customers.
- The only people who get rude responses from me are people who initiate a conversation with rudeness or lies. Go on, ask one of the trolls to provide proof to the contrary, you won't find it. The secret is being respectful and polite and you get the same in return. Be an asshole and you get the same in return... funny how that works.
Inaba Trust: -1468: -12 / +5(5) Warning: Trade with extreme caution! and http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/STRONG SMELL OF FRAUD INDEED. Inaba -3338: -23 / +8(8 ) Who do you need in your trust circle K? I got him a lot further down on trust ratings than you. The probation officer in Sonny V.'s case needs to get a bitcoin consultant to help her find all the BTC that was " test - mined" at Eclipse. Bet you dollars to donuts that there is blockchain smoking gun for that. |
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Sorry to say this is good news to me. This guy in my opinion is a racist and deserves more than a temp ban.
This was long overdue.
Prove to me that I'm a racist and I will leave this forum forever. Ok. Ah, you must be talking about that NIGGER that also hit my niece's 10 month old son three times
Did he leave yet? |
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Let me clear up nothing real quick: - BFL stole nothing. Unless someone can provide some proof to the contrary, they are lying.
- BFL has scammed no one. Unless someone can provide proof to the contrary, they are lying. (Go on, ask for proof from the trolls claiming scams, you'll never get it.)
Delivering non-advertised product 6+ months later than advertised date along with no refunds = scamming. - There was no promised shipping date for the Monarch line and in fact there were big bold text stating that it is a preorder and subject to delay. Anyone who tells you the Monarch is late and that BFL made promises on delivery time is lying.
- BFL has shipped over 50,000 products in the 65nm line. The failure rate is less than 1% (0.72%) not including power supplies. If you include power supplies, that goes to 1.65%. Far lower than industry average and a simply awesome (lack of) failure rate. Contrast to the
other mining companies shittiest mining companies equipment, which has double digit failure rates and it's even better. Anyone who tells you differently is lying.
FTFY - OP's experience is the norm. People rarely come to a forum to post when they have a positive experience, they usually come and post to complain. After 50,000 units shipped and you look at the complaints, that should tell you something. Most people are not complaining, just a handful of disgruntled people and a whole lot of trolls who aren't even customers.
People rarely come to post positive experience? What about spondoolies/asicminer/bitfury/bitmain/chinese miners/all the non-shit companies? It is amazing that with only 50,000 units shipped you managed to rack up over 1,000 FTC/PP complaints. Must be some sort of record. The truth certainly will not change what Inaba says he is morally and ethically bankrupt Jimmothy. Soon he will be selling out Sonny V. for his own freedom. The end is coming for BFL and old Joshy better get his own lawyer before he gets thrown under the bus. And the OP can post his evidence here... he doesn't need to email me. Let the community decide whether his evidence passes muster. Again given the horrible treatment of customers that is well documented particularly the FTC complaints when BFL was NOT giving refunds when they were legally required to do so is something that the probation officer needs for Sonny V. needs to be made aware of. You can't ignore the reality. BFL are morally and ethically challenged and will do anything they can to keep this racket going for a long as they can. There will be plenty of evidence coming to light soon enough that will scatter the cockroaches. |
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