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1761  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: CYRious Technologies - CYR Jackhammer $599 / 1.4TH/s on: May 03, 2014, 08:34:06 AM
Questions:

1Why would you not use a reputable known escrow trusted in this forum?
2Where are the FPGA chips being fabricated / bought from?
3Who designed the FPGA chips?
4Who is currently designing your boards?
5Where will your boards be fabricated?
6How can you account for the lower prices given that board costs run nearly that much as your sales price no matter the chips you use?
7How will these units be cooled?




1: the "most reputable" escrows on this forum are crooks with nothing to lose but a forum reputation in which they can start over with
2: the FPGA's are atmel FPSLIC series
3: atmel
4: they were done in house
5: as with most major components they are manufactured in shenzhen china
6: lower cost is a result of better funds managment and more off the shelf components as well as higher production numbers
7: they have a picture of the cooling unit on the slideshow.

Ok you lost me there... at #1.

Good luck with that. I don't play with people simply trashing others reputations without any real discussion of who is and isn't reputable. Ignoring you and your "escrow".

Avoid this like the plague people. When you start trashing EVERYONE who is an escrow here in these forums then I suggest this guy doesn't understand what is happening here in Bitcointalk. He doesn't even name a single trustworthy escrow from this forum? Seriously? I guess the millions that are pushed back and forth monthly with little or no problems is not something he wants to admit? Seriously run don't walk away from this deal.

And if we turn that logic back on himself and this shady escrow he could just as easily be the crooks with nothing to lose but a pseudonym that currently has 0 reputation they both can and probably have numerous times started over with a variation on this scam.
1762  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: CYRious Technologies - CYR Jackhammer $599 / 1.4TH/s on: May 03, 2014, 06:18:22 AM
They should provide an identified and known escrow form this community anything less is worthy of ridicule and even then a proper escrow will resolve whether or not their claims are REAL or not before they would even take on this client. Spondoolies is a good example of how it should be done. Send out some working units to reputable people then start selling the product directly. It really begs the question why anyone comes here and gives this sort of presentation.

1. We will build X in the future and sell it at a really low price.
2. Trust us with this unknown escrow.

You don't get any passes in Bitcointalk even when you actually have a working product. No one is going to let anything slide especially when you are promising something that doesn't exist. See BFL Monarch for example.



1763  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: CYRious Technologies - CYR Jackhammer $599 / 1.4TH/s on: May 03, 2014, 06:09:32 AM
Questions:

Why would you not use a reputable known escrow trusted in this forum?
Where are the FPGA chips being fabricated / bought from?
Who designed the FPGA chips?
Who is currently designing your boards?
Where will your boards be fabricated?
How can you account for the lower prices given that board costs run nearly that much as your sales price no matter the chips you use?
How will these units be cooled?


1764  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch! on: May 03, 2014, 05:54:01 AM
And when you try and get a refund then have to go to court for compensation these are the excuses this private company is going to use:

Code:
Defendant BF Labs states the following for its affirmative defenses to Plaintiffs’ Complaint:

1. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as Plaintiffs accepted the terms of their pre-order and
understood that all sales were final and that there was a backlog of orders and production and
delivery of any order may take two months or longer.

2. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs “FAQ” website states it reserves
“the right to handle refund requests on a case by case basis” and pre-ordered products are nonrefundable
as is clearly stated at the time of purchase.

3. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs understood that deliveries may take
two months or more after order.

4. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs expressly agreed to a pre-order
arrangement, knowing delay would be two months or longer and BF Labs was unable to make
any representation regarding the length of delay.

5. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as the products in question are designed and
manufactured in accordance with the standards in the industry.

6. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because the products in question underwent burn
testing for a minimal amount of time and had not be assigned to a customer order at the time of
the burn testing.

7. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because untested products are not finished goods and
could not be customers’ equipment.

8. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred pursuant to K.S.A. 84-2-501, in that the products in
question were not identified in any contract at the time of the pre-order.

9. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because burn testing was done to warrant the product
as fit and suitable for the purposes for which it is sold.

10. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs exercised reasonable care to prevent
and promptly correct any delays that Plaintiffs complains of.

11. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages request cannot be sustained as unconscionable.

12. Each and every claim contained in Plaintiffs’ Complaint fails to state a claim upon
which relief can be granted.

13. Plaintiffs’ claims for damages are barred in whole or in part because Plaintiffs
have suffered no damages.

14. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred in whole or in part based on the doctrine of election
of remedies.

15. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ breaches or failures to perform
conditions precedent or subsequent.

16. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred for the reason that any actions or inactions of BF
Labs were economically justified.

17. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ unclean hands.

18. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages, which are denied, were caused by intervening and
superseding acts over which BF Labs had no control or right of control, thereby barring or
diminishing Plaintiffs’ alleged right of recovery.

19. The damages claimed by Plaintiffs are not recoverable, in whole or in part, under
Kansas or federal law.

20. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by a prior settlement and/or release of those claims or
are barred to the extent Plaintiffs have entered into an accord and satisfaction or otherwise
compromised their claims.

21. In further answer to Plaintiffs’ Complaint and by way of Affirmative Defense,
Defendant adopts all Affirmative Defenses available to it under the Kansas Uniform Commercial
Code or any other Uniform Commercial Code enacted by a state whose substantive law controls
in this action.

22. Defendant’s actions were neither the cause in fact nor the proximate cause of
Plaintiffs’ injuries, if any.

23. Defendant is entitled to the benefit of all defenses and presumptions contained in,
or arising from, any product liability act and/or Kansas Uniform Commercial Code.

24. The alleged damages sustained by Plaintiffs were the result of Plaintiffs’ own
comparative fault or any other “fault” pursuant to K.S.A. 60-258a and, accordingly, Plaintiffs are
barred from recovery or limited in their recovery.

25. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the equitable doctrines of
waiver and estoppel.

26. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of justification.

27. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the doctrine of ratification.

28. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by all applicable statutes of limitation.

29. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, pursuant to First Amendment of
the United States Constitution and similar applicable state constitutional provisions.

30. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of spoliation and the failure to
properly preserve evidence necessary to the proper and just determination of this action.

31. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs entered into an accord and
satisfaction or otherwise compromised their claims.

32. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrines of repudiation and anticipatory
breach.

33. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs prevented BF Labs from
performing.

34. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred based on Plaintiffs’ rejection of goods, as well as
Plaintiffs’ revocation of acceptance of goods.

35. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of mistake.

36. Plaintiffs have failed to mitigate their damages, if any, or otherwise take
reasonable steps to minimize or prevent the damages Plaintiffs claims to have suffered. Plaintiffs
also, once they realized a claim existed, were under an obligation to minimize their alleged loss,
if any. As a result, any recovery against Defendant should be barred, reduced, or offset
accordingly.

37. Plaintiffs’ damages should be reduced as an offset by any amount received by any
other payment to mitigate damages.
1765  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: May 03, 2014, 05:25:21 AM
Missed my edit.

You know what is going to happen...

How will they explain two-weeksTM of burn in or potentially MONTHS of burn-in?
How will they explain all the BTC they mined as only testing?
How will they explain delayed shipping of units when we all know that after a few hours of burn in they were "working"?
Where are all those Josh / Inaba posts where he claims not to be mining with customer units?
What is the test net for again?

There is a TX ID trail that is going to show what actually happened and when it does there will be 100s or potentially 1000's of units mining at Eclipse for BFL as "burn in" testing for weeks then being replaced at regular intervals with new machines. You know what they did. First they said they never mined anything now they admit they mined for burn in... what do you think really happened here? The scam will be proven at that instant and no one is going accept that as standard practice in Bitcoin as evidenced by other fabricators.

This is where they get demolished in court. If I had purchased a BFL unit I would be joining this class action suit asap to make sure I got a piece of that pie because those BITCOINS are the customers not BFL's. People should be pissed off and going to town on BFL. This shell game they played is going to be easy to discover and there is no way they can worm out of this. They may be doing it right now with the Monarch 28nm... the probation officer should be checking out Eclipse asap and do some forensics there to see what kind of chips are mining. Maybe a nice IRS audit is what BFL and Eclipse need eh?
1766  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: May 03, 2014, 04:54:46 AM
Here is what BFL will admit to in the claims made against them:

Code:
4. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 4 of the Complaint.

4. Defendant BF Labs, Inc. is a Wyoming corporation with its principal place
of business at 10770 El Monte St., #101, Leawood, Johnson County, Kansas.

5. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 5 of the Complaint.

5. Defendant is registered to do business in the State of Kansas and
maintains a registered agent at 112 SW 7th Street, Suite 3C, Topeka, Kansas.

8. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 8 of the Complaint.

8. Defendant advertises itself to the public as a manufacturer of specialized
computer equipment and processors for the task of mining bitcoins.


9. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 9 of the Complaint.

9. Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer payment system and digital currency created in
2009. Unlike traditional currency, bitcoins are not issued by a government or central
banking authority.
 

10. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 10 of the Complaint

10. Bitcoin is considered a “cryptocurrency” because cryptography is used to
control the creation and transfer of the currency, creating a distributed, decentralized,
and secure medium of exchange.


11. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 11 of the Complaint.

11. Bitcoins are regularly used to pay debts, purchase goods and services, and
are exchanged for other currencies such as the U.S. dollar, U.K. pound sterling, or euro.
For example on March 19, 2014, one bitcoin could be exchanged for an average of
$613.12.


12. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 12 of the Complaint.

12. Bitcoins are created by “mining”, a process where “miners” receive
transaction fees and newly minted bitcoins in return for verifying and recording
payments into a public ledger.


14. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 14 of the Complaint.

14. As the difficulty of Bitcoin mining has increased over time, the computer
hardware required to profitably mine has advanced from general purpose CPUs (found
in common desktop computers), high-end GPUs (often found in gaming computers),
FPGAs (field-programmable gate arrays), and ultimately to ASICs (application-specific
integrated circuits) purpose built for performing the calculations necessary for Bitcoin
mining.


16. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 16 of the Complaint.

16. At the time of the formation of Defendant through the present, Mr.
Vleisides was serving a term of supervised release for a felony conviction for Mail Fraud,
in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341, in the United States District Court for the Central
District of California.

17. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 17 of the Complaint.

17. Defendant using the name “Butterfly Labs” advertised for sale via the
Internet a variety of ASIC based Bitcoin mining hardware, stating “Butterfly Labs
manufactures a line of high speed encryption processors for use in bitcoin mining,
research, telecommunication and security applications”.


21. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 21 of the Complaint.

21. Defendant represented its Bitcoin mining products were “in production”
and “real”.

31. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 31 of the Complaint.

31. In or about 2012, Defendant purchased a business known as “Eclipse
Mining Consortium”, which operates as a Bitcoin mining pool, an organization which
permits the combination of Bitcoin mining efforts to offer participants faster, yet
smaller, bitcoin distributions than would be achievable if the participants conducted
mining operations on their own.


34. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 34 of the Complaint.

34. Defendant has collected millions of dollars from customers for pre-orders
of Bitcoin mining hardware.


35. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 35 of the Complaint.

35. Prior to discontinuing Defendant’s ability to accept payments through the
service, Paypal alone had processed over $11 million dollars in pre-payments for
Defendant’s hardware.

38. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 38 of the Complaint.

38. In June of 2013, Plaintiff Kyle Alexander ordered a Bitcoin mining
machine from Defendant.


39. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 39 of the Complaint.

39. Plaintiff Kyle Alexander paid $308.00 to Defendant via PayPal for this
equipment.

46. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 46 of the Complaint.

46. Since Plaintiff Kyle Alexander pre-paid for his order of mining equipment
from Defendant in June of 2013, numerous bitcoins have been mined by others, and the
difficulty of mining new bitcoins has substantially increased over such time.

47. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 47 of the Complaint.

47. On April 3, 2013, Plaintiff Dylan Symington ordered a Bitcoin mining
machine from Defendant.

48. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 48 of the Complaint.

48. Plaintiff Dylan Symington paid $1,333.00 to Defendant via PayPal for this
equipment.

51. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 51 of the Complaint.

51. Nearly seven months after receiving payment, on November 1, 2013,
Defendant shipped mining equipment to Plaintiff Dylan Symington.

59. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 59 of the Complaint.

59. In pertinent part, the Kansas Consumer Protection Act, K.S.A. § 50-626
provides:
No supplier shall engage in any deceptive act or practice in
connection with a consumer transaction[.]


60. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 60 of the Complaint.

60. In pertinent part, the Kansas Consumer Protection Act, K.S.A. § 50-627
provides:
No supplier shall engage in any unconscionable act or
practice in connection with a consumer transaction.


61. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 61 of the Complaint.

61. Defendant is a manufacturer, distributor, dealer, seller, lessor, assignor, or
other person who, in the ordinary course of business solicits, engages in or enforces
consumer transactions, and is therefore a “supplier” as defined in K.S.A. § 50-624(l).

64. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 64 of the Complaint.

64. The Kansas Consumer Protection Act, K.S.A. § 50-634 provides for a
private right of action for “a consumer who is aggrieved by a violation of this act.”


76. BF Labs admits the allegations contained in paragraph 76 of the Complaint.

76. A benefit was conferred on Defendant in that Plaintiffs paid money and/or
bitcoins to Defendant
1767  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: May 03, 2014, 04:43:07 AM
What kind of business is BFL?

Will they honor and refund your purchase?

Take a LONG HARD LOOK at what lengths they will go to NOT refund people.


AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES AKA "SOME VERY VERY GOOD REASONS NEVER TO BUY BFL AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS HOW THEY WILL SLIME OUT OF AGREEMENTS TO SHIP ON TIME AND NOT REFUND ACCORDING TO FTC REGULATIONS."

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Defendant BF Labs states the following for its affirmative defenses to Plaintiffs’ Complaint:

1. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as Plaintiffs accepted the terms of their pre-order and
understood that all sales were final and that there was a backlog of orders and production and
delivery of any order may take two months or longer.

2. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs “FAQ” website states it reserves
“the right to handle refund requests on a case by case basis” and pre-ordered products are nonrefundable
as is clearly stated at the time of purchase.

3. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs understood that deliveries may take
two months or more after order.

4. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs expressly agreed to a pre-order
arrangement, knowing delay would be two months or longer and BF Labs was unable to make
any representation regarding the length of delay.

5. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as the products in question are designed and
manufactured in accordance with the standards in the industry.

6. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because the products in question underwent burn
testing for a minimal amount of time and had not be assigned to a customer order at the time of
the burn testing.

7. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because untested products are not finished goods and
could not be customers’ equipment.

8. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred pursuant to K.S.A. 84-2-501, in that the products in
question were not identified in any contract at the time of the pre-order.

9. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because burn testing was done to warrant the product
as fit and suitable for the purposes for which it is sold.

10. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs exercised reasonable care to prevent
and promptly correct any delays that Plaintiffs complains of.

11. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages request cannot be sustained as unconscionable.

12. Each and every claim contained in Plaintiffs’ Complaint fails to state a claim upon
which relief can be granted.

13. Plaintiffs’ claims for damages are barred in whole or in part because Plaintiffs
have suffered no damages.

14. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred in whole or in part based on the doctrine of election
of remedies.

15. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ breaches or failures to perform
conditions precedent or subsequent.

16. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred for the reason that any actions or inactions of BF
Labs were economically justified.

17. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ unclean hands.

18. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages, which are denied, were caused by intervening and
superseding acts over which BF Labs had no control or right of control, thereby barring or
diminishing Plaintiffs’ alleged right of recovery.

19. The damages claimed by Plaintiffs are not recoverable, in whole or in part, under
Kansas or federal law.

20. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by a prior settlement and/or release of those claims or
are barred to the extent Plaintiffs have entered into an accord and satisfaction or otherwise
compromised their claims.

21. In further answer to Plaintiffs’ Complaint and by way of Affirmative Defense,
Defendant adopts all Affirmative Defenses available to it under the Kansas Uniform Commercial
Code or any other Uniform Commercial Code enacted by a state whose substantive law controls
in this action.

22. Defendant’s actions were neither the cause in fact nor the proximate cause of
Plaintiffs’ injuries, if any.

23. Defendant is entitled to the benefit of all defenses and presumptions contained in,
or arising from, any product liability act and/or Kansas Uniform Commercial Code.

24. The alleged damages sustained by Plaintiffs were the result of Plaintiffs’ own
comparative fault or any other “fault” pursuant to K.S.A. 60-258a and, accordingly, Plaintiffs are
barred from recovery or limited in their recovery.

25. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the equitable doctrines of
waiver and estoppel.

26. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of justification.

27. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the doctrine of ratification.

28. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by all applicable statutes of limitation.

29. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, pursuant to First Amendment of
the United States Constitution and similar applicable state constitutional provisions.

30. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of spoliation and the failure to
properly preserve evidence necessary to the proper and just determination of this action.

31. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs entered into an accord and
satisfaction or otherwise compromised their claims.

32. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrines of repudiation and anticipatory
breach.

33. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs prevented BF Labs from
performing.

34. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred based on Plaintiffs’ rejection of goods, as well as
Plaintiffs’ revocation of acceptance of goods.

35. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of mistake.

36. Plaintiffs have failed to mitigate their damages, if any, or otherwise take
reasonable steps to minimize or prevent the damages Plaintiffs claims to have suffered. Plaintiffs
also, once they realized a claim existed, were under an obligation to minimize their alleged loss,
if any. As a result, any recovery against Defendant should be barred, reduced, or offset
accordingly.

37. Plaintiffs’ damages should be reduced as an offset by any amount received by any
other payment to mitigate damages.

38. BF Labs reserves the right to amend its Answer to assert additional defenses,
affirmative or otherwise, that may arise or become known through the course of further
investigation or discovery.

1768  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: May 03, 2014, 03:55:27 AM
BCP is a paid advocate for BFL. He took dinner and a miner paid for by pre-orders which is customer money. Ethically he like BFL has no standing in this community and when asked a clear majority of people here understand that and will not BUY BFL based on the facts as posted 1000s of times here in these forums by 100s of dissatisfied customers. It is best to ignore him and keep pushing all avenues to have BFL brought to justice. Currently the class action and reporting BFL to the probation officer for current failures of the 28nm Monarch delivery would be the right move.

Here are my predictions.

Sonny V. gets jail time in 2014.
Check out claims 44, 52 and 55 (b) viii reagarding Eclipse mining.
28nm Monarch doesn't ship until later in 2014 after more delays.
BFL is forced to refund everyone or they go bankrupt in 2014.

There is nothing in what BCP has said or will say that is truthful and honest about the BFL scam. He is not an honest broker here in this community and when this is all finally put to rest in the courts there will be no where he can hide to twist the argument to suit his perverse need to debate what are known facts. In the end the truth will come out. Discovery will show they have used customer units to profit and then delayed shipping in order to profit further you can't hide the TX ID on what was mined. They are doing the same thing right now with the 28nm no doubt. Let us see this house of cards come down in 2014 and hopefully customers can get their money back.


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Please remember the submission of this form does not mean we can or will represent you in this matter. We can only represent you if both you and we agree, in writing, that we will serve as your attorney.
1769  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [CLOSED] Spondoolies-Tech SP30 pre-order - Specs: 0.69$/GH + 0.46W/GH on: May 03, 2014, 02:09:03 AM
Paid for the units we bought... now just wait.

Yes have to say that the donations we provided to hold our place in line was an inspired and generous idea from RoadStress.

Thanks to RoadStress and it is great to see CK get a piece of the pie. I have to say future group buys should take notice on how this was handled and think about spreading some of BTC back to those that keep our community going and help humanity.

S2's? Hmmmm might need a few of those before August.
1770  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: May 02, 2014, 09:52:50 AM
FGPA's delayed and under spec.
65nm delayed and under spec.
28nm delayed and under spec.

Who is at fault?
Who took 1 year to deliver 65nm?
Who took 15+ months and counting to deliver 28nm?

Seriously. Only BFL is to blame for their failure to deliver in a timely fashion and given that it has happened every time they have put out product including CLOUD HASHING you know that this isn't supply chain or production issues it is likely a dragging your feet tactic in order set up a nice little pyramid pump... which has been explain many times in many threads. You get pre-order money. Fake a delay. Mine on equipment that you fab for "yourself". Delay further and push more pre-orders as others ask for refunds. Rinse and repeat. This is a scam straight up.

No one in their right mind knowing the details of what has gone on here is going to buy BFL every again. Why would you? Antminer. Available now. You pay they ship. BFL is nothing more than a black hole where your pre-orders go in and refunds are stated as 30 to 45 days if ever but more like 12 months or longer in reality. That is a well managed scam and when the FTC does catch up with BFL it is going to be ugly.

It describes Cointerra too. They use the same "business" model Smiley

Unfortunately that describes HashFast and others as well. Sadly the small guy gets screwed.
1771  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: May 02, 2014, 05:29:54 AM
FGPA's delayed and under spec.
65nm delayed and under spec.
28nm delayed and under spec.

Who is at fault?
Who took 1 year to deliver 65nm?
Who took 15+ months and counting to deliver 28nm?

Seriously. Only BFL is to blame for their failure to deliver in a timely fashion and given that it has happened every time they have put out product including CLOUD HASHING you know that this isn't supply chain or production issues it is likely a dragging your feet tactic in order set up a nice little pyramid pump... which has been explain many times in many threads. You get pre-order money. Fake a delay. Mine on equipment that you fab for "yourself". Delay further and push more pre-orders as others ask for refunds. Rinse and repeat. This is a scam straight up.

No one in their right mind knowing the details of what has gone on here is going to buy BFL ever again. Why would you? Antminer. Available now. You pay they ship. BFL is nothing more than a black hole where your pre-orders go in and refunds are stated as 30 to 45 days if ever but more like 12 months or longer in reality. That is a well managed scam and when the FTC does catch up with BFL it is going to be ugly.
1772  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread. on: May 02, 2014, 04:03:24 AM
The EE's have had to refocus our efforts away from the BF2 and A1 chips as they are now less than desirable packages for development and this shift has allowed us the opportunity to look at even higher density and 2-phase cooling using the Hammer chips and then the BE200 chips as well as looking towards future chips like the RockerBox / PickAxe S-Tech chips and the Black Arrow Minion in what we call the Hornet and Whiteface boards.

We are singularly focused on pushing out the Hammer Whiteface and that will be tested at Allied Control in Hong Kong is a 2 phase Novec tank. The Hammer Whiteface is not going to be the end point or release point for our DIY design timeline as we are moving directly to BE200's and RockerBox chips after that. This will be in a standard form factor that can be housed in the DataTank configuration that Allied Control is coming up right now. That is our longer term goal on development. Coupled with this we are also working to develop a pool / hardware hosting & collocation / cloud mining / hardware sales that are housed in a single data center or beta test node configuration and will be available to customers both big and small. The nodes we are going to use are in the EU and US but we are also looking at Asia / Oceania for beta testing.

Ripped from our development hub...

Big Board Architecture - Hammer Chips

Hornets and Whitefaces - collectively the "Big Boards" - are sharing a common architecture, differing mostly in form-factor. They each have a power section, responsible for producing the voltages needed to drive hashers. They have four collections of 16 hashers each, called "quadrants" because they are positioned in the four corners of the board. Separating these quadrants horizontally are two microcontrollers (MCUs), along with two CPLDs per MCU. These CPLDs contain programmed logic to translate signal voltage levels, adapt the MCUs' SPI to the hashers' serial communications, and to assemble the hashers into eight serially connected groups, or "chains", each containing 8 hashers. This assembly process will allow the MCU to bypass any non-functional hasher, thereby rescuing the remaining hashers in each chain of 8, and allowing the remaining hashers to produce work.

The vertical gap between quadrants is filled with four dual voltage controllers, whose responsibility is to convert 12V DC at moderate current levels to the 0.7-0.9V at high current levels required by the hasher cores. These controllers will be programmable, and can adjust their outputs in small increments over the range of .... and the rest is on our development hub pages.



1773  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: May 02, 2014, 03:27:42 AM
Oh look BCP has funded a Sonny V's shopping spree. That is some smart investor right there.

1774  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Special Group Buy - Spondoolies-Tech SP30 pre-order] Specs: 0.69$/GH + 0.46W/GH on: May 01, 2014, 04:15:52 PM
Rather quote myself I am still trying to dig up more people to chip for a few more SP30's that we will be hosting in Norway. I am up for anything that gives the small guy a kick at the cat.

Can you send me any info?
Is your quote cheaper than 290$/month?

Quote as in using quotations around my words and agreeing to what was posted.

We have no pricing on the node in Norway yet.
1775  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Special Group Buy - Spondoolies-Tech SP30 pre-order] Specs: 0.69$/GH + 0.46W/GH on: May 01, 2014, 04:13:32 PM
Rather quote myself I am still trying to dig up more people to chip for a few more SP30's that we will be hosting in Norway. I am up for anything that gives the small guy a kick at the cat.

Can you send me any info?

Drop me an email we will be ready in late May for this but we are keen on beta testing soon.
1776  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide on: May 01, 2014, 09:59:03 AM
+1 I agree with that.

How is it possible that people don't realise that there is an economic incentive in creating and maintaining such a list?

Well there can be multiple lists. Websites and media for this. Too bad more people are not taking up what Dogie is doing here. We need more reviews and reviewers and more independent people like Dogie. I am sure we will see the community mature and HF and BFL and other like companies will disappear. We need to promote the good as much as we need to point out the bad. In fact pointing to the good companies is far more effective I think.
1777  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Special Group Buy - Spondoolies-Tech SP30 pre-order] Specs: 0.69$/GH + 0.46W/GH on: May 01, 2014, 09:00:43 AM
Rather quote myself I am still trying to dig up more people to chip for a few more SP30's that we will be hosting in Norway. I am up for anything that gives the small guy a kick at the cat.
1778  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Experience on: May 01, 2014, 08:54:26 AM
Like is said though how could we possibly prove that BFL is mining on EMC?

They've already admitted to it. It's in the court record, straight from BFL's lawyer.

Fair enough. I know they own EMC, that's pretty publicly known. I've not read any of the court stuff.

Seems like a huge mess to me! I feel sorry for everyone involved on both sides.

You feel sorry for the CUNTS who have created this living nightmare...who the fuck are you Mahatma Ghandi !!!

This is why you should not feel sorry for BFL.

Transcript Pages 89-92 of the Probation Hearing against Sonny V.

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Q. Okay. And so in both circumstances, of the house and the loan, it was customers' money that went to Mr. Vleisides buying his house that he lives in, and to loan him and other share holders money; right? Because of this prepaid model?

A. It was certainly money that customers deposited, you know, with the company to purchase their products. I'm not entirely sure at which point legal entitlement to the money passes from the customer to the -- to the company. But the -- the money that any company uses, if it's not borrowed or put in by investors comes from its customers. In this case it all came from the customers.


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Q. Now, should people who have company credit cards use themfor personal expenses?

A. They should not.

Q. All right. And so does that continue on, do you know,by -- by Mr. Vleisides?

A. I -- I will say that it probably has continued.

Q. All right. Are there other employees, in particular Mr. Vleisides' mother, who has a company credit card that makes personal purchases on?

A. There are other company emp -- there are other company employees who -- you know, the only one I've looked at closely is Mr. Vleisides because of this issue. There are other company employees who have company credit cards. I do notknow whether Mr. Vleisides' mother has a company credit card.

Maybe we should ask Josh how he uses his company Diner's Club card? Maybe they pay for meals for BCP and PG when they are in town I am sure that your pre-order money is well spend lavishing food and trinkets on those who would shill for BFL right? I don't think any BFL customers would be happy to learn personal expenses are the norm for employees with credit cards.
1779  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Special Group Buy - Spondoolies-Tech SP30 pre-order] Specs: 0.69$/GH + 0.46W/GH on: May 01, 2014, 05:23:23 AM
Nego 1 more week to 500 for the SP10s?

Do it do it do it!
1780  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: May 01, 2014, 05:21:40 AM
Are you really keeping you escrow fee for this one?

Might want to poll everyone on that Noitev... see if people are all demanding he return the fees.

What would you suggest is fair Noitev?

Note I sold off all my chips so I have no right to comment or give an opinion on the fees paid but I think the group should talk with John K about all this.
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