I suppose it needs it's own thread as I suggested since it is quite valuable information about the current market vs. the past market purchases. That should play into your decision when making any NEW PURCHASES like the BFL Monarch... ergo this is maybe a good place to point out the failures of BFL delivery. Would it not? To protect people possibly making the wrong choice when purchasing? Or should we all ignore this analysis?
Haven't we analyzed this to death? There are dozens of threads about this very topic. Is it really necessary to ruin another thread with the same stuff we've been reading for months? I personally want to hear what others have to say about the Monarch. Nothing else. Such as...? Make an example It is not even a prototype correct? No gerbers? No BOM even? Just a drawing... what more can you say about it? Other than taking specifications they claim it will have and doing an analysis and then determining whether or not it is a good buy correct? Given what Death is saying in a comparison of the Asicminer Blades vs. 2012 BFL Products that have yet to ship... you might want to really rethink whether or not the Monarch has any value other than a thought experiment into a PCIe miner, seems to be hard to say anymore than that right? Forgive me but doesn't BFL have a forum for all this information. Why would anyone come here to get updated info on this product should you not go to the source? Almost what now 9 months later and the Monarch is still a thought experiment.
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Has history just repeated itself? Bitmain and Spondoolies Tech shipping off the shelf and BFL no Monarch to be seen anywhere. Look back and read the Inaba and BCP defense... sound familiar? GUT PUNCH.
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Hi guys, i try order SP10, Spondoolies-Tech send me invoice : recipient send to Israel ,but banks branch is in Czech Republic, did you get same invoices ?Thanks
See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg6640432#msg6640432How hard would it be for the lazy admin Thermos to create a "Search this thread only" feature? Also it amazes me that people are so careful about the bank thing even if SP-Tech is already known as a trust able company, but people had no problem in sending money to BFL who is run by a convicted felon for mail scamming and after failing so many times. Therein lies the answer. BFL has poisoned the well completely. In some respects that is a good thing if everyone has heard the news as that should make everyone much more "buyer beware" aware. Just sending an email to sales should clear up your issues I think gyntas right? Just have to wait a day they are becoming more successful so response times will slow accordingly. They might need more gremlins to answer the emails now.
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I'm not able to commit with end date @ the moment. As soon I'm able to do it I'll hold my word.
probably hold my word has a different meaning there ... Even his own words won't persuade him to pay off his debts to others.
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One of these cards won't make back more than 200$ of the purchase value.
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The difficulty keeps rising at fairly steady rate although it has slowed a little but BFL keeps under delivering on product and it isn't surprising it is being done on purpose. Things never change in the BFL shipping queue.
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I for one am lucky, free power at work and all the BFL gear I ordered was free. So for me personally I am not fussed with regard to ROI.
That been said, I wonder why people dont group together and sue/class action BFL, Or is it some misguided hope that miraculously they will receive their gear tomorrow . . I dont know.
They have... and it is clear that with the Monarch they are doing it all over again. Rinse and Repeat Scam.
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Marto still not paid off what he owes?
Amazing he can still do business here if he can't even refund properly from a failed group buy.
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haha im sorry to laugh its just when you said you had extra psu and so gently have : trade with extreme caution in you avatar. Made me roflmao That trust feedback is BS. Mostly received from SP-Tech haters. If you are so worried Ill sell to you on ebay where I have a 600+ 99.9% positive feedback. JHFK, yah, im gona rip you off for a $70 PDU. If you arent interested, STFU. Shipping is normally $170 I believe. Might want to start a sales thread for this not use ST thread. Just a thought.
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.7 or .8 jim wins 1 or 1.1 tzortz wins .9 break even - or both donate .1 to seans outpost If you don't want to wager with bitbet, I can escrow for free. I can escrow this if you want. If Dogie says the miner works as they claim, that's good enough for me. My only concern at that point would be that it was a one off miner and the others they make won't work at the same efficiently as the one that they sent to Dogie.
I would be more impressed if they managed to fake it or bin a single unit 35% more power efficient than normal. Its either going to be as they say, or it won't! K, sweet. Thanks for the clarification. I don't know a hell of a lot about these things and with all the scams I've seen, I'm leery when I see a new company make claims on their hardware. I'm in the market to upgrade, and this one does sound intriguing. Never buy anything if you're the "first" customer. Do not buy anything unless the company has proven physical/visual units. Do other customers already have units from this company? Are they happy? etc. All questions you ask/verify before you even THINK about sending money for a miner. +1 ... You are better not buying than buying anything "unproven" when there are companies that do ship from stock already.
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Involuntary Chapter 11.
BFL should be shaking in their boots. How long before the creditors come knocking?
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Another tin-foil-hat moment:
If BFL doesn't pull some sneaky plan to have "commenced shipments" in 4 days (so Black Friday orders can't be refunded), their refund turns allow them to "put the pre-order for purchase". What if their own Eclipse pool was to take all such orders? Easy way to ramp up their own mining operations at the expense of all the poor customers who stayed with them through every single set back.
Would a company with the morals demonstrated by BFL do such a thing?
They did that to protect their PayPal account last time. This time they won't do anything too obvious remember Sonny V. hangs on a thread for going back to jail. There seems to be only one direction BFL is headed in and that is ruin.
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So, here's a deal. If you caPokokohua!n prove that anyone, just one will do, is actually paid by BFL to shill for them here, than I will prove that you, <SEO shit deleted>, are a pedophile with a Montessori school in Djakarta. Fair deal?
This is in very poor taste and completely out of line on these forums. You are just parroting libel that Butterfly Labs has concocted to discredit those who bring attention to their deplorable business practices. For shame. This has been a favorite tactic before but now the lawyers have a gag on Inaba / Josh / Slok and others etc they have to use other accounts to get their shrill message out. Amazing he finally broke cover using an account. Doesn't take much to push his ego into comment. Just have to tell the truth and he finds a way to post. Slandering people is just par for the course. Again when Pokokohua! leaves daily spam and I do mean daily negative trust ratings on my name and others you wonder who the obsessive and twisted person is. These people need a mental health checkup and they need it right away. I worry for the their well being. Interestingly this account seems to sound as concerned about Marto as BFL hmmm wonder why? Why would this account point out Marto? Funny. Check out Pokokohua! go from grammar error filled ESL student to native speaker in less than one post early on in this "newbies" posts. Now back to misspellings and grammar errors. Like there are a few people using this account. Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-27 0.00000020 Addicted to BFL much? His only effort sofar seems spreading fud and lies
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-26 0.00000000 Read his trusted and untrusted feedback, and you know how people think about this failure of a human
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-25 10.00000000 So lost he declares the Monarch as being non-existent vapourware, and a couple of hours later is pretty sure BFL is mining with them stealing customers coins???? WTF, he's getting dumber by the hour!!!!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-24 0.00000000 Another fail, thinking anyone would trust him with their money? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/montessori-observation-montessori- secondary-albums
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-23 0.00000020 13 anti-bfl posts from the weaksauce of bitcointalk bicknellski, 2 blabla's on the wasp fail nexxxxtttttttt
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-22 0.00000000 dumb and a fool, can't stand other one's success, "gonna cry a bit more, then waist my time at the IRS"
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-21 0.00000020 So desperate for attention he's posting about houses bought by BFL personnel?? Jalousie because he lives of fees from the people still believing his wasp fantasies???
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-20 0.00000020 So desperate for attention he's posting in one year old topics now??? Wasp update in 12322001 - 12322000 - 12321099....???????
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-19 0.00000020 "Numerous bfl lawsuits", since when is 2 numerous? Numerous is the amount of lies spread everyday by Darin Bicknell, only 10 anti-bfl posts today, guess he's gotta do something to distract from that wasp fail he is filling his pockets with? Again?
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-18 0.00000020 quote bicknellski; "massive rma number for bfl" Truth: it's 0.7% lowest of all sha256 asic manufacturers
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-17 0.00000000 Monarch release countdown 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3........ Wasp release countdown 10022000012223 10022000012222 10022000012221.......
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-16 0.00000020 Wakes up thinking of BFL All day long he thinks of BFL Goes to bed thinking of BFL what a loser........
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-15 0.00000020 delivered units: BUTTERFLY LABS: >50,000 BICKNELLSKI: 0
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-14 0.00000000 Unfortunately Wasp and previous Bicknellski fails are a faith based industry. the only miracle is people still pay him for not producing anything except anti BFL propaganda, and attacking other project builders that do deliver, like Marto7.
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-13 0.00000000 Ohhhhhhhhhhh, loooooooooook, he has a render!!!!!!! a kid could make in in 2 minutes!!! After how long?????? A year????????? lol
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-12 0.00000020 Diverts from the issue he is paid from wasp fees paid by people he lied to, and buys from wasp competitors hardware he mines with into his own pockets. caveat emptor!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-11 0.00000020 Buys hardware from vendors and lets others pay for it through his wasp fantasy, are you all fools to fall for it?????
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-10 0.00000000 Aonther one that knows Bicknell, and how he fills his pockets, and brings nothing in return: "Wrong Bick Grin You are taking your developers time for free and on top they are paying you a member fee Grin However it is their will. You are not forcing them to donate their time and money to your project. We have a saying which in English sounds like The mad man is not the one who is eating the cake but the one who is giving it for free Buy the way how are your meetings going lately? No announcement no CSS designs and provisioning serves Are you still on track? Grin"
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-09 0.00000020 Completely lost person, thinks everybody is just one person, the BFL boss. Me too of course, so I am competing "in my own contest". The saddest part, it is to be believed this fool runs a montessori school??? Really????
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-08 0.00000000 Quote Marto7: @ Bick " How are your online meetings going , any progress ? Any working product ? Wink You always prefer to quote trolls like Joe and call us scam , instead showing a real mining board . You know the fact that we had some problems is not going to change the fact that after a years of "hard work" you got , what ? And since you are not familiar with Joe's case I assume you are just looking for a chance to make us look bad. Please , I'm really sorry that we managed to came out with working projects and you are still trying . Please try better and keep us on your ignore list. Good luck"
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-07 0.00000020 Darin Bicknell is the Joseph Goebbels of the internet: "just keep repeating the lie and it will become a truth eventually".
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-06 0.00000000 dropped the ball with Klondike, now they know too what a fail bicknell turned out to be.
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-05 0.00000000 9 anti-bfl posts today while not even a customer, from this self-proclaimed Jesus the righteous. Repaid everybody that stepped in to your dreamworld and lost big time???
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-04 0.00000000 Bicknellski's play with the WASP is clearly directed at noobs and those who are not aware of the minimums in hash power required today in mining, stay away before he steals your money too!!!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-03 0.00000020 Posted there are 7,000,000,000 billion (that's 7,000,000,000 X 7,000,000,000!!) people on this planet, and this genius teaches children??
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-02 0.00000000 "Who took 15+ months and counting to deliver 28nm?" You bicknelski? BFL did it in under 8 months. The 15 month one is you....still waiting on your 115nm product, waiting.........waiting........waiting.......
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-05-01 0.00000020 Already early 2013 advised people to get a refund from BFL and jump on Avalon's third batch bandwagon, which never was delivered, costing people thousands of dollars/btc
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-30 0.00000000 was provided a 0% loan from sheeple who believed in his fantasies, prison would fit this asshamster just fine
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-29 234.00000000 Avoid any project he is in, already stole thousands by gambling on wrong horses with customer money!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-28 0.00000020 Careful, made up most of his resumeeeeeeeee
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-27 0.00000020 Cough -Darin Bicknell- Cough - Scammer-. Cough-thief-Cough-liar distracting newbies-Cough-beware!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-26 0.00000000 Only 2 anti-BFL lies today, bicknellski who scammed people out of thousands of $ is losing it? "Reason is lost on those with overactive imaginations.", indeed
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-25 0.00000020 "I contacted that lawyer who won Mr. Lolli's case. After long silence he said that $2k deposit is required, his rate is something like $200/h and no guarantee he gives. Guess that story was just another scam cover operation." lollilollilolli
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-24 0.00000020 Want to see a comprehensive list of Bicknellski lies, just read all his posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action= profile;u=76550;sa=showPosts Remember: Bicknellski stole 1000s of peoples hard earned dollars and btc by failing not only to deliver a hardware product on time, he did not deliver at all! Millions of revenue from his customers could have mined went up in smoke!!!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-23 0.00000020 Started abusing trusted feedback system on 2013-08-21. Has been posting lies in the trust feedback since then, now posts walls of text on everybody's trust list even for disagreeing with him
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-22 0.00000000 "It's not enough to send you to prison today,' and it will never be, because a lying Darin Bicknell, and a bunch of stupid statements and rumors ("missed out on enrichment" "must be mining themselves" lolololol "bought a company car and house for visitors and employees to use" boooohoooohooo must be scam because Bickell jalousy") will never be enough
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-21 0.00000020 "It is a link to the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against BFL. Not a referral to shop with them."
There is no class action lawsuit, it is a request to open one, but as in most of his posts, it is an utter fail again.
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-19 0.00000020 Quote: "Eventually someone is going to rollover and provide evidence to avoid jail', is this when information from your former employers will come through and you will be dealt with? Bicknelski trust: -11: -2 / +0(0) Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-18 0.00000000 Doesn't know he difference between a request to update a filed case to a class action and an actual class action, priceless. Have a quarter!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-17 0.00000000 Although his group buy was refunded fully he failed to respond to many refund query's in a timely and professional manner. You should avoid doing business with him, his trust rating: -11: -2 / +0(0) Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-16 123.00000000 bumps up 16 months old threads, what a worthless life he must have.
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-15 0.00000020 cries about wanting a forum where only his likes would be welcome, a bfl abuse club, what a joke, how does it feel to be the joke of the forum bicknelski?
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-11 234.00000000 Bicknellski has been spamming the trust system for months without having any business with bfl or emc pool, clearly evidences this Don Quichotte as the weakest sauce on the shelf misusing a system for his own benefit. What happened is good people left this forum because of twats like this.
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-08 0.00000000 Bicknellski's lie for today: "Yes the hardware vaporware they are hawking and the fact some people misread the ASIC wave that flooded BTC." The only vaporware existing is anything Bicknell tries to pull off the ground, fail again!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-07 0.00000020 5 anti-BFL posts today = 5 lies, now (ftfy) altering quotes from other people's posts too?
1 "At what point do you really want to keep some one on the payroll that is that delusion / willing to lie? At some point that will be a liability legally." 2 "Remember there are hundreds of unfortunate BFL customers that got scammed" 3 "BFL Scammed millions over a long period" 4 "And most certainly 50% of them are multis created by BFL" 5 "They stipulated somewhere in the convoluted terms that you get a refund when / if they can resell your order to others after 30-45 otherwise they won't give a refund."
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-06 0.00000000 Today's Bicknell's delusion: "BFL is working on the monarch for 14 months now" What a joke, are you living in some sort of fantasy world where what you make up is true? Stay away of his wasp dream, it will never come true, like any of his former failed projects, he even admits it won't pay back it's purchase price!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-05 0.00000000 BICKNELL'S LIE FOR TODAY: "Stand in solidarity with the hundreds of customers that got scammed like......" AND THEN HE COMES UP WITH 1, REPEAT 1 NAME...... No wonder his life is so full of fail, don't trust this guy with a single satoshi! The only scammer around here keeping his customers on the line was Bicknellski and his avalon wet dream
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-04 0.00000000 Bicknellski's lie for today: "There are so many faux accounts on the forums at BFL I bet that fake accounts out number the real ones" Delusional to the max!
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-03 0.00000020 Watch out, 95% of his posts are anti-bfl rants, mentally disturbed person.
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-04-01 0.00000000 Does not understand contest rules, Pavlov effect makes him post without thinking, completely wrong or just a bit stupid?. Hint "registration date, on what site?" Blinded by hate?
Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1) 2014-03-30 0.00000000 Pathological liar. Cheats forum members repeatedly with false information over BFL, their employees and their products -all successful- while his business fails, has absolutely no technical knowledge, qualifies non working usb hubs as bfl product failures. Falsely rates people who are producing hardware and are an asset to the bitcoin community negative, and ridicules any forum member that confronts him on his lies. Too bad a lot of these types hang around on this forum, no orders but crying scam over legit companies, while they are never seen in the real scam topics.
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Unit arrived in Norway at datacenter. Intacted this time. Testing soon. Thanks.
05/27/2014 3:08 P.M. Delivered
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Ya he didn't take any coins from his customers for that did he. You still back BFL fraud?
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Wrong thread zackclark70.
that post is quoted from this thread Still wrong thread. Talking about the BFL aholes still posting negative trust and positive trust as spam ads for their products.
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Wrong thread zackclark70.
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/?comments=1&start=80Great response to the ARSTechnica article. What BFL did in the long term, is damage all of the other bitcoin mining companies by reputation and inaction.
Let's put that into perspective a bit.
BFL has a horrendous track record of customer service, and ethics aside, they put all of their customers, staff and their interests in a very tenuous position, and treated a great number of people badly in an attempt to douse fires and promote themselves.
And while any company can have setbacks, BFL failed by any standard to solve or help the customers they had in resolving disputes. The doubling of time from 6 months to 12 months to produce hardware, and the lack of communication with customers caused long-lasting damage
BFL during this time were uncontactable, customer service emails and phone calls took months to reply to requests or responses, they redefined the definition of terrible service. Their lack of ethics, unashamed and coercive communications, while being uncommunicative about their issues or faults.
Every standard of customer service you could imagine, BFL liaisons and employees unapologetically failed on every measurable level. in CS terms, they were doing everything wrong, fighting with customers, refusing refunds, ignoring customers, and denigrating their own products.
To be fair to BFL, they had a good position in 2012 almost ~30,000 people gave BFL between $150 to $30,000, often in bitcoins, to take advantage of ASIC preorder discounts, expecting hardware in 6 months.
BFL had a perfect opportunity and window of time for the release of ASIC hardware, but they also had competition from KnC and Avalon, and others, which was BFL's critical downfall, they completely ignored the public environment, and they utterly failed on every level to handle the customers.
Every month of delay after their promised release date, new ASIC competitors launched and released hardware to the market, and this caused exponential levels of panic. But, instead of launching hardware, or offering refunds, what BFL did, was publish and promote.
When the first ASICs from Avalon came out, BFL was unavailable. And then, the BFL date slipped. and slipped. and slipped, and slipped again. Preorders promising a 3-6 month release, eventually took 11+ months, people waited over a year for Jalapeno or SC/mini/single/mini-rig ASIC hardware, and people got fidgety.
By delaying and mishandling the customer base for over 6 months, every other competitor took advantage. Refunds were arranged, offered, refused. Some people panicked and lost their shit, abuse was taken and given, BFL scam warnings were everywhere, threats were veiled and launched, people were hostile.
There are generally speaking, no happy customers of BFL.
All in all, more than enough to be worthy of any awards you deem valid measures of awful, horrible, inept, etc. and any general failed attributes of business. Nobody trusts BFL and nobody would buy from BFL again willingly. BFL's ineptitude gave dozens of competitors a leg up in the marketplace.
Mining hardware is now compared in ROI, based upon how long it takes to get the hardware in days.
Butterfly Labs is the greatest reason for this fear and trepidation. They were not the only company to fail to produce hardware, but they failed on such a large scale that it shaped the industry.
ALL Mining Hardware is compared and calculated by how long it will take to arrive. A dollar to bitcoin return is more important than the price or the brand name, or GH/W power consumption, and if it can't make the standard, and few can, people won't invest or buy the hardware.
and while HashFast is also making the same mistakes, they really have shot themselves in the foot, the public press of "any day now" blog posts, forum updates and general alerts that were not balms for the enraged customer base, expecting progress, and getting delays is going to rile people.
Butterfly Labs absolutely deserve the reputation they have made for themselves. Full Stop.
As for bitcoin itself, it has hit the worst parts of the zeitgeist, and the downside of that is that several cultures and groups are using it to serve other interests, and that opens up speculation and opportunity for larceny, investment and fraud by contract. i.e. what everyone assumes is regular Business.
Yes, bitcoin is good for investment or transfer of goods, like holding gold, diamonds, stock, bonds or Amazon.com gift cards, etc. But the rampant speculation and volatility make it hard to really hold it as currency. And arguably, anyone asking you to believe that it holds integral or intrinsic value, is more than likely trying to scam you in order that they can profit from you, offering returns, holding BTC in storage or mining interests, by investing in their efforts or putting collateral into a sinking fund for production and early access. When the reality is, you're investing in their company without a share of the profit or getting into an early investment without any return.
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What an idiot. Making sausage isn't scary at all, neither is watching an engineered product come to life...
Of course depending on whose money is used to develop it there would be good reason to hide the facts or use analogies to make it seem like people do not want to know why the Monarch is now over 160 days late. How Late is the Monarch?Might be time to start BFL ANON program. You get a key chain for every month you don't order form BFL or mine at EMC. Anyone with a BFL refund and has not ordered or used BFL or EMC for 1 month can get this chip. You are one month sober from BFL. Congrats. Steps to Recoveryadmitting that one cannot control one's addiction or compulsion to buy BFL bullshit and pre-orders. recognizing that if you educate yourself with the facts you can have strength to choose better suppliers of ASIC miners and mining pools. examining past errors with the help of the forums (experienced member). making amends for these errors and seeing how your support of BFL has harmed others. learning to live a new life with a new code of behavior for example NEVER BUY PRE-ORDERS. helping others who suffer from the same addictions or compulsions so that they can break free of BFL and EMC.
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