Merit & new rank requirements

[TheBeardedBaby]

There are many examples people, just check the top 1000 merit receivers and you'll see that receiving merit is not an isolated case.
Everyone can do it, takes time but it's not impossible.

BTW Happy 10th Anniversary Bitcoin’s White Paper

Also, the best way to get merit is to write about merit, not about cryptocurrencies

Some of the top receivers are forum statistics/analyzers and yeah, those are the ones getting merit but as the "merit" is still the hot topic, people still gonna discuss it.
There are many people getting merit on topics related to Bitcoin and altcoins. There are merit sources keeping an eye there.
If you go trough the statistics/tools (of those top merited posters) you can actually find a lot interesting information how the merit is distributed.

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[S_Therapist]

Also, the best way to get merit is to write about merit, not about cryptocurrencies

You are wrong at some point. Almost all of the posts about merit are posted on Others-->Meta

Based on Piggy's analysis, it's not too much if I evaluate based on your comment.
Also, if you compare the data of first 6 months and later, the ratio has also been decreased.

However, I think there should be some constructive analysis on merit data.

I have got 35 merits till now and out of those, none has come from a merit analysis. I would also do some merit analysis, not for having merits. I would love to analysis how merits are working on altcoin discussion. Altcoin discussion doesn't deserve to get huge merit because of the signature campaign's spam. I have seen OgNasty to give merit on altcoin discussion and after that I am willing to have a deep analysis on that board.

[Speculatoross]

look case they answered two full rank. your ranking system is not reliable. The escrow of the high rank is not sure and the forum is full of scammers.

I have started as a newbie right before the merit system was introduced. I thought it would be impossible to reach Member rank, but if you are a rightful contributer Merits flow in automatically and you will rank up.

A proven example -- and not from legendary or hero member. Thank you.

189 proven examples here
0 merit data analysis nor meta post

 

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>0 merit data analysis nor meta post<...>

Actually, you have 1 received sMerit on a Meta board on September 18th, on this same thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg45888390#msg45888390

Regardless, merit is to be used to award any decent post by subjective standards, not specifically crypto related. Analysis on merits happens to be an area that shows insights as to how things are going on the merit front. The alternative is to be completely in the dark about these facts, have no measure of how things are going, and therefore no idea of the repercussions it has on the whole. I normally prefer to have information available that an information blackout on a core forum feature …

[Speculatoross]

<...>0 merit data analysis nor meta post<...>

Actually, you have 1 received sMerit on a Meta board on September 18th, on this same thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg45888390#msg45888390

Regardless, merit is to be used to award any decent post by subjective standards, not specifically crypto related. Analysis on merits happens to be an area that shows insights as to how things are going on the merit front. The alternative is to be completely in the dark about these facts, have no measure of how things are going, and therefore no idea of the repercussions it has on the whole. I normally prefer to have information available that an information blackout on a core forum feature …

Lol. True indeed.

Anyway, totally agree with your statement. Never judged how people spend smerit and never said that merit shouldn’t go to merit data analysis, I’ve read whit interest all of them (coinlocket$’s, Piggy’s, your’s...) and also merited some of those stuff “meta-forum related”; just happens I’m more interested in other stuff and read and interact more on other 3ds, more crypto related.

As the comment you linked said, don’t like complains (all focused on “not fair I can’t earn money anymore” rather than the actual system)  and I’m just proud of being on the list of the few users who ranked up whit this system, nothing more:)

[Branko]

Also, the best way to get merit is to write about merit, not about cryptocurrencies

You are wrong at some point. Almost all of the posts about merit are posted on Others-->Meta

Based on Piggy's analysis, it's not too much if I evaluate based on your comment.
Also, if you compare the data of first 6 months and later, the ratio has also been decreased.

However, I think there should be some constructive analysis on merit data.

I have got 35 merits till now and out of those, none has come from a merit analysis. I would also do some merit analysis, not for having merits. I would love to analysis how merits are working on altcoin discussion. Altcoin discussion doesn't deserve to get huge merit because of the signature campaign's spam. I have seen OgNasty to give merit on altcoin discussion and after that I am willing to have a deep analysis on that board.

Check Lakai01 posts in german section
Not saying its right or wrong, just stating it as fact
I don't speek german, just see word "merit" there a lot

[S_Therapist]

Check Lakai01 posts in german section

You can't evaluate the whole system with a single or some user.
If we want to evaluate with one user's merit data, nullius can be a great example who didn't receive merit for analyzing merit data. S/he got almost all of his/her merits from bitcoin discussion.
So, if we want to evaluate the system, we need to compare all of the members. With the span of time, the system will work more greatly.

[Branko]

Check Lakai01 posts in german section

You can't evaluate the whole system with a single or some user.
If we want to evaluate with one user's merit data, nullius can be a great example who didn't receive merit for analyzing merit data. S/he got almost all of his/her merits from bitcoin discussion.
So, if we want to evaluate the system, we need to compare all of the members. With the span of time, the system will work more greatly.

I agree, I was just reacting about specific "look how easy it is" example 

When I look at my own account, I got many merit where I expected none, and zero
where I'm certain I helped a lot of people

[TheBeardedBaby]

I said it before, you need to build a repatriation, then the merit does not matter anymore..
I hate when I have to quote myself but here it is..

Congrats!
Everyone can rank up, but if you wrongly prioritize your goals, it may never happen.
People putting their priorities in the following order fail.
1. Get Merit
2. Rank up
3. Get more money.
4. Go to 1.

The right priorities are :

1. Be curious
2. Start reading
3. Learn
4. Be part of the community
5. Do something to help the others

The result will be exactly what the the guys from the first list are aiming for.

[Branko]

I said it before, you need to build a repatriation, then the merit does not matter anymore..
I hate when I have to quote myself but here it is..

Congrats!
Everyone can rank up, but if you wrongly prioritize your goals, it may never happen.
People putting their priorities in the following order fail.
1. Get Merit
2. Rank up
3. Get more money.
4. Go to 1.

The right priorities are :

1. Be curious
2. Start reading
3. Learn
4. Be part of the community
5. Do something to help the others

The result will be exactly what the the guys from the first list are aiming for.

Sadly, worked other way around for me...I was curious about mining, started reading about it, learned about modding bioses,
became part of altcoin mining community (dare to say, recognized one), made bioses that were downloaded thousands times, got 0 merit

then switched to your supposedly fail order of things, and got some

[TheBeardedBaby]

Sadly, worked other way around for me...I was curious about mining, started reading about it, learned about modding bioses,
became part of altcoin mining community (dare to say, recognized one), made bioses that were downloaded thousands times, got 0 merit

then switched to your supposedly fail order of things, and got some

Well, I can say you are doing faaar better than many others here >

Has received 91 merit 69 times, from 32 profiles

Thanks to BPIP and Vod for the stats.
I think when most of the forum problems are solved /the spam, bumping bots, account farmers, bounty/signature abusers, etc./ people will turn back to discussion stuff, and look away from Meta, but as long as there are problems /and we had quite serous ones solved lately/, the attention will be here.

[JayJuanGee]

I think when most of the forum problems are solved /the spam, bumping bots, account farmers, bounty/signature abusers, etc./ people will turn back to discussion stuff, and look away from Meta, but as long as there are problems /and we had quite serous ones solved lately/, the attention will be here.

What are the "quite serious" forum problems that were resolved that you are referring to? You mean things like account farming or something else?   Are they solved or just the incentives changed?

[Sectorcleaar]

the current system is very useful for avoiding account farmers and spammers, even though I'm still a newbie but I'm not shy. because my goal came in this forum to study not to pursue merit

[TheBeardedBaby]

What are the "quite serious" forum problems that were resolved that you are referring to? You mean things like account farming or something else?   Are they solved or just the incentives changed?

Think about it, the newbie signature campaign were causing a lot of spam because of the famed accounts and the 1 merit rule was a game changer for them. In addition, theymos was against such(any) restriction but at the end he surprised everyone and the impact was quite big.

[JayJuanGee]

the current system is very useful for avoiding account farmers and spammers, even though I'm still a newbie but I'm not shy. because my goal came in this forum to study not to pursue merit

Sounds like a great attitude. 

[Sectorcleaar]

Sounds like a great attitude. 

Hihi give me some merit sir    just kidding

[tranthidung]

Update for the last week, based on the given data from @coinlocket$
As the attached image shown, the means and medians of weekly distributed merits are nearly 4.8k and 4.4k, respectively.
As always, I strongly suggest to take a look at medians, which are almost true means of distributed merits, rather than means,
Using medians will help us to have more exact, neutral overview on merit distribution without significant effects of outliers (robust to outliers).

More interestingly, the interquartile range (from 25th quartile to 75th quartile) has been from 3978 to 4820.
What does it means?
It presents that 25% of observed weeks have less than 3978 merits distributed over week (below the 25th quartile), and 25% of them have more than 4820 merits distributed over week (above the 75th quartile).
In other words, 50% of those observed weeks have weekly distributed merits ranges from 3978 to 4820; and the median of weekly distributed merit has been somewhere around 4.4k per week.
Data interpretation used statistics in the last row of the attached table.

In addition, weeks which have total distributed merits above 6k should be consider as potential outliers [as red circles shown in the boxplot]

*Notes:
1. Interquartile range: The range from 25th quartile to 75th quartile.
2. Mean +/- sd: Mean +/- Standard deviation
3. Potential outliers: weeks which have total distributed merits outside the two whiskers (above and below).
Above whisker = Q3 + 1.5 IQR = 4820 + 1.5*842 = 6083 (Q3: the 75th quartile)
Below whisker = Q1 - 1.5 IQR = 3978 - 1.5*842 = 2715 (Q1: the 25th quartile).

[aloneboy]

After ~10 months I can say merit system (imho) is working fine, the level of spam lowered and more & more users are getting banned everyday (autoban at https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php).

You have rightly said that since the introduction of the merit system, this forum has improved greatly. Because there are many spamer, those who have increased their ranking without any good post, and since the system has become more aware of those spamer and for which all are going to give good post on this forum.

So will the useable smerit get destroy every month if we don't use them.

smerits do not get destroyed (or decay) for regular members unless the member is a merit source member. 

Currently, there are only 120 merit source members.  See this link:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Merit source members have to spend their source smerits every 30 days in order to regenerate more source smerits.  If they do not spend their source smerits within 30days, then the source merits will not regenerate until 30 days after they spend their smerits.   

I'm very glad to learn that if we get sMerit points, then we can keep it without any problems. My some friends said that if I receive any sMerit by  making high quality post or article, then I need to use it. Otherwise I will lost my all sMerits for ever. But after I see your reply regarding this, I understand properly.

Hello , I am unable to understand why people who have very high rank are getting merit for their reply , i am little curious.

Brothers, you know that sMerit is used for those who showcase many nice and helpful things before us. Those members of high rank who give sMerit if they do not see the quality of the newbie, then the next newbie will create spam for this forum by creating a small, unusual and helpless post, to earn sMerit. For this reason, higher rank members didn't like to give sMerits to newbie or lower rank members.

I think it would be better to have a KYC system to open a new account.Then you can not make spamming account. I think this is good comment for the site.

Cmon kyc for a forum? Do you give your data like that for free to anyone else?
Your data are money on the blackmarket, and if the forul will be hacked again?

Yes, I totally agree with you. If we submit our personal data on public then there have lot of risk with our personal security. So many negative persons have in crypto world and they will blackmail us for money or for others way. So, we need to focus on only quality post and spamless helpful post to make this forum more clean and good.

One of the most problem why people can't get merii it his own lazyness. Don't strive reading interisting information about cryptocurency world. But create many theart : how to get merit or give me one merit please. I don't accuse this people but if you really wont to recive merit , you should'n think about it and just be usefull and friendly for another members.

Absolutely right that so many peoples didn't get any merits because of their lazyness. There are many people who want to get more than just a little effort and they give wrong answers without seeing what others post because of laziness. In my opinion, this forum will not bring any good for them and they will not get any merits. So we have to avoid laziness and have to respond carefully to another post, so that others are beneficial.

The forum looks much cleaner when Newbies are unable to wear signatures, and forum users have to get 1 merit at least to be ranked up to Junior Member rank beside satisfying postcounts.

You are right, this forum has been very much improved since the changes in merit requirements .Those who always post low quality, they are now forced to post better quality and for which this forum has been spamless and clean and newbie become very careful about good quality post to get merits to rank up.

New ranking system is actually helpful for getting quality post form the new members ( Newbies). All Jr.Members who have been demoted to Newbies for their 0 merit, can now purchase Cooper Membership with small fees to participate in signature campaign.

I think it is better to post quality post to get merits and rank up again. As I know so many projects don't like to accept "copper member" for their signature campaign. So there have not so much bengits if they purchase "Copper membership".

If so. No matter what contribution I make, I will always be a novice if I do not have merit. And my account became useless. Because almost no one spends time giving merit to newbie.

Don't worry mate and don't lost your hopeless. Cause if you deserve any merit points then you will get it. But for this you need to make good and high quality helpful post. You know so many spammer trying to post smaller post to get activities to rank up their accounts. But after merit system they are not able to rank up their accounts by helpless low quality post. So work hard and don't lose your hope.

To get 1 merit this is really very difficult in this forum. i have join in this forum for 4 months, i take an active part in this forum but it's too difficult for me to get merit. pls kindly help me 

I can see your most post was on bounty thread and your others post was not so much good quality. That's why still you didn't receive any merits. If you really wanna get merits then you need to make good helpful post not only on bounty thread. Hopefully you will work hard in future.

As you may know, most of us are newbie in this field.
So we don't have too much experience to create some quality posts. We will try to contribute to the forum in our capacity. Wish you simphethise!

Yes you are right that the number of newbie in this forum is much more. Because they would post to participate in bounty without having a good post. So they could not earn any merits. You can try to create good and better posts, which will benefit everyone and that will obey all the rules of this forum. And you may know that there is nothing in this world that can not do people. So you have to work hard to make good quality post.

Good luck 

[Gloverwrt]

I'm very glad to learn that if we get sMerit points, then we can keep it without any problems. My some friends said that if I receive any sMerit by  making high quality post or article, then I need to use it. Otherwise I will lost my all sMerits for ever. But after I see your reply regarding this, I understand properly.

While there is no option to lose unused smerits yet (it could be implemented if necessary) there is absolutely no reason to keep smerits as it is useless to the holder.
This doesn't mean you should be under pressure to give it out, until you find highly meriting posts.

Brothers, you know that sMerit is used for those who showcase many nice and helpful things before us. Those members of high rank who give sMerit if they do not see the quality of the newbie, then the next newbie will create spam for this forum by creating a small, unusual and helpless post, to earn sMerit. For this reason, higher rank members didn't like to give sMerits to newbie or lower rank members.

Higher ranked members (or any member at all with smerits) does not merit irrelevant posts. Majority of these comes from newbies as such it looks like they are the target, buy lots of high ranked members who don't give out quality interaction also don't get merited.
No one likes spam, regardless who is posting it.

[S_Therapist]

~snip~

Simply one single sentence^[1] can express what you are looking for.
[1]- Please give me merit.