ASIC Chip P0rn: How many A1's to BitFury's you might ask?  |
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No not at all.
Not too useful buddy. I'm trying to collect realistic concerns and opinions from the community to decide whether or not to make an investment, and hopefully the discussion will be useful to other posters as well. Despite the long wait time, the BFL hardware runs fine and makes me a good $250/month. It panned out. I want to hear some perspectives on whether it might pan out again. For the same money you can get much more power efficient miners that are faster.
I'm aware of Butterfly Labs and Avalon as ASIC providers and I've been looking into some of the Black Arrow line more recently. Any advice on what's good right now? No offense....you're lazy. I just gave your lazy question a lazy answer. Mining.thegenisisblock, the fact that this is the 3rd year of BS repeating itself from bfl, the whole petahashes of late Gen 2 hf and cterra hw, the whole deal with difficulty punching your so-called 250 revenue per month squarely in the crotch. Look at my post history, you won't see lazy, "is this worth it?" Posts anywhere - the fact that you grasp for straws of credibility despite the NUMEROUS complaints here and on bfls own forum, yes you ARE LAZY!!! If you want how right now there are are antminer s1s available on the USA reseller website for 3 btc those ship this week...not in 6-14 months. I found this from...wait for it...this forum! Hate to pile on... More than enough complaints right on BFL's own forum to beg the question are you really seriously considering BFL? |
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I converted my order to Monarch within about half an hour of it being available, so I am in no position to demand a refund, and I really don't expect anyone angrily bashing away on their keyboards to actually initiate a legal suit, but even if they did I wouldn't be party to it. If I get my Monarch in Dec/Jan I'll be delighted, but if BFL were to offer me a refund in the meantime I'd take it.
How'd that Monarch work out for you? |
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Hi, I have a question: If I buy some of (for example) these chips: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=411848.0What should I do with them? What is the look of this hardware? Is it only microprocesor or some desk? What else should I have to make them mine?  How to assembly them? No tutorial no google found  Sorry, I am newbie in non-grafic card mining... Thanks. Ps. do not laught please ! <-- Go here lots of good information compiled there for DIY'ers. |
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Can't be bought off. Won't be bought off.
As long as others keep posting about BFL product failures and under performance it is clearly helpful to get that message out to this community so that fewer and fewer people are saddled with BFL product. There is nothing in what he says that adds to the discussion so for me I just have him on ignore along with his the shills and multiple accounts he uses to post with. After he threatened to get me fired and posted that I was threat to children, of course untrue given the 16+ years of work I have had in education will prove, I am now in the right mindset to simply carry on as if he doesn't exist I only wish that community would do the same so that BFL is a tarnished bookmark a warning post if you will and their customer base continues to dwindle and fade like the hopes of those who order Monarchs will be delivered sometime before the Summer 2014.
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Having watched this thread from the beginning, I still pop in to see how progress is going on the k16 mk2. Come on Lads, This was a great project that died, mostly due to Avalon. Progress is being made for next gen and this is where people come. pages of bickering, Could you guys just leave this thread for discussion on the K16 and start a new one.  Yes that is where all his comments belong in a new thread the accusations area not here. I have no issue with people asking and questioning but why is it necessary to smear someone's rep here especially when you are speculating? If you have evidence start a new thread. |
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We have introduced cryptomining to the kids at our school and they hashed away on some X6500's and earned some FRC then later last year we spent an afternoon at Pt. Katolec Indonesia http://www.katolec.com/english/elec/jigyosyo/indonesia.html seeing how PCB's were made and they are currently working on a Laser Light Plane Table. Not sure what sort of facade that is but it seems like character assassination is what this guys all about. The problem with smearing people, as jasinlee is doing to BKKCoins, is that you might want to actually post evidence. As for why he feels the need to make this about me one can only imagine. Suffice to say he has NO evidence to support his claims that Chris faked or lied about the motorcycle accident and he should again shut his mouth unless he can prove it. This isn't about my reputation it is about how he is continuing to slander Chris and he is not here to defend himself. Cowardly at best. There is a difference between "following logic" and out right slander. |
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I think the biggest question is how soon is "coming soon"
Within a week, or hopefully less. Bobsag3 can you contact me via PM or gtalk thanks. |
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The 2 - A1 samples got delivered today.
We will update you all on our progress.
Was hoping to have Zefir drop in our meeting next Saturday to discuss the firmware etc.
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Logo Competition:We will announce a winner this week. Membership:We are keen to find more firmware people to help develop a range of functions we have planned for the Wasp & Hive. If you have experience in this area please PM me with your skills set and experience. I will push that information to our EE and see if that is what we require. If he is good with that then we can expedite your membership on that basis. As for those without those skills sets at this time we are going to hold off any new members until at least February and all membership will be through the website at that point. See more information here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=299255.msg4499869#msg4499869A1, BitMain and BitFury ChipsThe 2 - A1 samples got delivered today. Our feeling is that a Metal-core PCB for the A1s and their buck controllers is necessary, and then cutting slots in the FR4 Wasp will allow us to attachment copper heatsinks to the metalcore, and Bergquist pads to the tops of the chips and the passives, filling the gap for an aluminum sink for the top. Hoping this initial prototype design keep the temps down in the 40s, with air. All this is necessary so as to increase the potential lifetime of these A1 first run prototype chips. This all takes time so the A1 prototype will be later than the prototype PCB's for the BitMain / BitFury Wasps. Soon as we have working prototypes we will release that information on our website. BitFury will be the first prototype to be built followed closely by the BitMain and then A1. We plan on a Minion Wasp prototype beyond these 3 initial chips. The members have put in all the funding required to pay for all the components, chips and fabrication so there is just time and sweat to give before we have soemthing to show. WPC Mining PoolLatest update is that the whole pool team now has access to the servers and that means it is only a matter of days before we have the pool up for testing.
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One man, one fucking person, one russian, now controls like 30%+ of the network (GHash.io/Cex.io) because he alone had an effective 65nm ASIC and HE ALONE had an essentially unlimited ability to make more money printing machines that only him and a dozen other people on the planet could compete with on terms of marginal cost/hash rate.
... I think that is what many of these ASIC fabricators want to do no? HF can just as easily now turn around and do that given all the "hard work" has been literally paid off by those who have invested. We need to work on a different paradigm something that puts the power to mine in more hands. Continually backing the HF's of the world basically weaken the ability of community to find alternatives. There is a power in collective mining and production just need to tap into it. |
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266945.msg3561804#msg3561804Quote from: Inaba on October 29, 2013, 13:40:01
Except... none of it ever happened. Cool story, though, bro!
Josh, be careful where you tread. I've warned you once before about spouting off to the wrong people. I am not PuertoLibre or some other BFL troll. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars with your company and have a solid BitcoinTalk reputation. I have resold and mined both your FPGA and ASIC lines, and have made quite a bit of coin doing so. On top of this, I have over $100,000 on the sidelines right now that I am waiting to put back into mining equipment once the difficulty becomes more predictable and your company is in consideration if you are able to actually deliver your 28nm products with a reasonable price, hashrate, and power consumption.
So watch your fucking "facts" when you attempt to call either me or my friend a liar. The fact of the matter is that I coached 1 family member and 4 friends into buying machines of different sizes from your company and on September 19th sent them an email saying to cancel their orders because we were crossing the point of no return on investment. The family member received their miners early enough to sell them for a good profit. Of the friends, one had no problems at all cancelling, one had a problem where after several weeks of harassing Paypal finally had the reversal approved, only to have the account Paypal was drawing on as empty, and the other two have not been able to get a refund, although they haven't been particularly aggressive with paypal either. As such, two of my friends had some amount of dollars sewn up with your company in an interest free loan for some time, and two of them are going to take a large loss, one of them at a time in his life where he really needs a win.
And I hold you responsible due to the complete and utter fabrications called timelines you've delivered to us in the past 17 months. In your quest to dominate the market, you have sucker punched people who are now literally homeless, causing fights between their spouse and them, and adding astounding stress to their lives. And so, I understand that you can easily sit there and type complete lies that ruin people, and as such you think it must be easy for everyone else to just lie.
But I'll tell you now, Josh, I'm no liar. My friend who had this bounced paypal issue is no liar. So, I would get your "cool story" straight before you respond to me again. I think we all know who can't be trusted.
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The purpose of the OP was to provide a warning to New customers thinking of buying mining rings from BFL that orders placed today are unlikely to obtain a satisfactory return on investment, and to give them some background so that they can better understand their expected return and make a more informed decision. What is relevant to New customers is whether they should part with their money today or not. At present Butterfly Labs are offering 5 GH/s, 25 GH/s and 50 GH/s units, at $274, $1,249, and $2,499 respectively plus shipping. New customers must face the prospect of any receiving products ordered today in January 2014. By this time it is unlikely that they will receive the expected return on their investment over the life of the product. As stated in the OP persons existing already in the BFL pre-order list, like you and I, and many others may make a lot of money. The reason there is much aggravation amongst early adopters that placed orders for BFL equipment in 2012 that a 5 GH/s machine would make around $2,000 profit and a 50 GH/s machine around $20,000 profit with Bitcoin prices at $120 if started today and mined 24/7 to end 2014, and a hell of a lot more had units shipped when promised.
New customers could be better off to wait and see whether BFL will ever become up-to-date with the deliveries of outstanding orders. If they do a new customers can make more sensible decisions based on the current difficulty levels and this would be an excellent and ideal situation. Congratulations, you made a good original investment. I hope you receive your two units very soon so that you can immediately start mining and make hay while the sun shines. As far as the viability of units ordered today and received in January 2014, here are the continuation of the difficulty levels at 15%: 2013 31-Dec 15.00% 222,095,805 2014 11-Jan 15.00% 255,410,176 22-Jan 15.00% 293,721,702 02-Feb 15.00% 337,779,958 13-Feb 15.00% 388,446,951 24-Feb 15.00% 446,713,994 07-Mar 15.00% 513,721,093 18-Mar 15.00% 590,779,257 29-Mar 15.00% 679,396,146 09-Apr 15.00% 781,305,568 20-Apr 15.00% 898,501,403 01-May 15.00% 1,033,276,613 12-May 15.00% 1,188,268,105 23-May 15.00% 1,366,508,321 03-Jun 15.00% 1,571,484,569 14-Jun 15.00% 1,807,207,255 25-Jun 15.00% 2,078,288,343 06-Jul 15.00% 2,390,031,595 17-Jul 15.00% 2,748,536,334 28-Jul 15.00% 3,160,816,784 08-Aug 15.00% 3,634,939,301 Unfortunately the "BitForce 25 GH/s SC" from Butterfly Labs priced at $1,249 plus shipping only hashes at 25 GH/s, not 60 GH/s. BFL products can be viewed on following pages: https://products.butterflylabs.com/New customers thinking of buying mining rigs from BFL are warned that orders placed today are unlikely to obtain their Return on Investment. At that diff. and current $/btc, a 60GH/s single priced $1299 will make $450/month, pays itself back in 13 weeks,
At that diff. and current $/btc, a 50GH/s single priced $2499 will make $373/month, pays itself back in 29 weeks,
good enough for me.
What has "Unfortunately the "BitForce 25 GH/s SC" from Butterfly Labs priced at $1,249 plus shipping only hashes at 25 GH/s, not 60 GH/s." to do with it? I'm was giving you the calculations for the 50GH/s and 60GH/s Single, not the LITTLE Single, at your own assumed 222mill. diff. for 12-2013, see what you quoted.... Besides that, the 25GH/s has the same payback time as the 50GH/s since it is half the price of a 50GH/s unit, so it would still be ~29 weeks, at your assumed 222mill. diff. [/quote] Update with the Monarch and current product under-performance and failures? |
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Late February or Early March for BA for those who have already ordered probably March or later if you order today?
Cointerra is late so not sure when if it all you would get a rig if you ordered today?
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That is the kicker you are ordering today or in the next week or so. So given that you need to check on when delivery for a new order would be and then check whether you think it is worth it to receive the product then as opposed to now. Neither are shipping this month if you order today if I am not mistaken.
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Logo Competition:We will announce a winner this week. A1, BitMain and BitFury ChipsThe 2 - A1 samples got delivered today. Our feeling is that a Metal-core PCB for the A1s and their buck controllers is necessary, and then cutting slots in the FR4 Wasp will allow us to attach copper heatsinks to the metalcore, and Bergquist pads to the tops of the chips and the passives, filling the gap for an aluminum sink for the top. Hoping this initial prototype design keep the temps down in the 40s, with air. All this is necessary so as to increase the potential lifetime of these A1 first run prototype chips. This all takes time so the A1 prototype will be later than the prototype PCB's for the BitMain / BitFury Wasps. Soon as we have working prototypes we will release that information on our website. BitFury will be the first prototype to be built followed closely by the BitMain and then A1. We plan on a Minion Wasp prototype beyond these 3 initial chips. The members have put in all the funding required to pay for all the components, chips and fabrication. WPC Mining PoolLatest update is that the whole pool team now has access to the servers and that means it is only a matter of days before we have the pool up for testing. Membership:We are keen to find more firmware people to help develop a range of functions we have planned for the Wasp & Hive. If you have experience in the following areas or are keen to learn and have some background in firmware please PM me with your skills set and experience. I will push that information to our EE and see if that is what we require. If he is good with that then we can expedite your membership on that basis. As for those without those skills sets at this time we are going to hold off any new members until at least February and all membership will be through the website at that point. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Firmware Objectives by SystemThis system has the following objectives:- provide initialization of MCU resources in a safe sequence, and configuration of pin assignments that connect processor resources to their off-chip nets as specified
- provide safely sequenced initialization of off-chip resources such as CPLD programming, bus-power distribution fail-safes, and regulator initial configuration
- provide safe access abstractions for use of on-chip and off-chip resources, once they have been initialized
- provide a launch service for tasks of both classes, allowing them to register for scheduling, and to perform any requisite initialization on their data structures prior to scheduling startup
- schedule real-time bounded tasks in a fixed priority rotation
- schedule background tasks in round-robin dispatch mode, whenever no real-time tasks are ready
- preserve non-real-time context when a background task is preempted , and restore that context after the real-time tasks have all been serviced
- provide a single-shot timed event service with a minimum interval approximating 256 uS, and allow those events to be cancelled before they occur
- provide a watchdog service that prevents firmware failures from rendering the device inaccessible
- provide a fail-safe power distribution system controller, and keep it running
- provide services for driving multi-color LEDs with on-board Pulse Width Modulators, both hardware and firmware implementations
- provide safe shutdown services that can rapidly bring the system to a known-safe operational state
Operating Environment Layer Subsystems- Initialization Subsystem
- Thread Launcher Subsystem
- Low Level I/O Subsystem
- Task Scheduler and Timer Subsystem
- Watchdog Subsystem
- Fail-safe Power Distribution Subsystem
- Shutdown Subsystem
- Registry Subsystem
Communications Layer Subsystems
ObjectivesThe communications layer has the following objectives for providing services to the application: - provide an API for sending and receiving SPI messages
- provide an API for sending and receiving TWI messages
- provide an API for sending and receiving PMBUS messages, using the TWI transport
- provide an API for using the USB client link, including device descriptors and multiple endpoints
- provide the necessary management of an endpoint for Device Firmware Update (DFU) protocols
Communication Subsystems - SPI Subsystem
- TWI Subsystem
- PMBUS Subsystem
- USB Subsystem
- DFU Subsystem
Firmware Development GuidelineDevelopers please note the following process for source code management. GIT Repository Guidelines To avoid chaos in the production and developer (a.k.a. examples) source repositories, please follow these guidelines: - code for Atmel dev boards or non-production hardware belongs in xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- code for production and pre-production hardware belongs in xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- your development code belongs in a personal branch of the appropriate repository. The master branch is used ONLY for polished bug-free code.
- the tip of the master branch of all repositories must always build and be as bug-free as possible. I.e. DO NOT check into the master branch development code with known bugs or that does not compile and run on device hardware. Again, development code belongs in a personal branch of the appropriate repository.
Following these guidelines will minimize the time wasted by developers chasing bugs that have been introduced into the source tree by another's unfinished code. They should easy be easy to follow since creating and managing code branches is what GIT is all about. How to Add a New App to the CodebaseIn the wasps repository there is an Atmel Studio solution with a library and two application projects. To add a new application that uses the library: - create new debug and release solution configurations in visual studio with the name of the application in the configuration; e.g. 'Debug_bitfury' and 'Release_bitfury'
- add a new application project to the solution with name that matches or can be identified with the new configuration names; e.g. 'bitfury' or 'bitfuryWasp'
- in Configuration Manager specify that only the library and new application project are built for each new build configuration
- modify library and application project settings:
- for library project in Toolchain >> Compiler >> Symbols add APPID=<new app name>; e.g. APPID=BITFURY
- for app project in Toolchain >> Linker >> Libraries >> 'Library search path' add path to directory where the linker will place the library built for this configuration
- add any other symbols needed to compile the library for the specific to the app. The number of these definitions should be few to none since every special case introduced into the library makes it more fragile and harder to maintain.
- in the library project compiler symbols define LIB_BUILD
APPID can be used in library code to build anything needed in the library for this specific app. Again, this should be done VERY sparingly and only when absolutely necessary. LIB_BUILD is used in the library header file so that the header can be included in both the library and app builds. Atmel Dev ToolsTo develop firmware and learn firmware development for AVR-based Wasps, we use the following tools: JTAGICE3UC3-A3 Xplained dev board XMEGA256-A3BU Xplained dev boardAtmel Studio (free download) Atmel tools and development kits are available from Atmel, Mouser, DigiKey and other sources. Mouser and Digikey are recommended over Atmel since they usually ship more quickly. The following videos provide a good introduction to the development process for Atmel parts and boards using Atmel Studio and Atmel Software Framework (ASF). A software design process for the ASF ASF Getting Started 1 ASF Getting Started 2These videos describe how to use Atmel Studio to create a customized ASF-based library for specific hardware and a single firmware application. Follow the described processes to learn how to write firmware for Atmel dev boards or non-wasp hardware. For production wasp firmware, we will need to modify the processes described in the video since we want to create a single ASF-based library customized for wasp hardware, but this library will be used by many firmware applications: namely, one application for each for type of wasp and probably (a) test/diagnostic application(s) for each wasp as well. MAX V CPLD Dev ToolsTools for CPLD firmware are a development board, downloadable development software and tutorial pdf and video. Downloads may require login to free Altera account: DK-DEV-5M570ZN" development board Quartus II Web Edition" development software (free download) "My First FPGA" Tutorial (login to free acct may be required) "Introduction to Quartus II" and the FPGA (or CPLD) design process
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You taking his word about being served?
Seems the court was ok with passing judgement.
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