Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Phoenix1969]

The problem here at forum is that some people fight with other people and not fight with the factories which had take our moneys
Nobody can roi with knc miners
If these miners deliveried at end of September the good scenario

Why would I want to "Fight" a factory that's holding to every promise & spec they uttered to customers?
What do you mean when you say...
"Nobody can ROI with KNC miners"?
Show us the data you came up with please, because with every calc, I see KNC miners better than the rest.
Site your claim, or go have a long message by a beautiful woman or something.
Simply stating something so obviously contrary to current calcs & information doesn't convince anybody, you gotta site a reason, and show it.... So PLEASE do so.
I don't like calling people retards & other names because it just spreads anger. Of course October isn't as good as September, a Caveman can see that, but I'm seeing everything is okay, even if I got all my machines dead last in October.
So Please...Just Man-up... Show us the DATA.

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[soy]

an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

[JoelKatz]

You don't know that, you have no idea what the BTC price will be at the end of September, nobody does.

The BTC price doesn't matter very much. It only affects the price of electricity in Bitcoins. Otherwise, everything else stays the same. You do the ROI calculation in Bitcoins and you compare buying a miner to buying Bitcoins directly.

[erk]

You don't know that, you have no idea what the BTC price will be at the end of September, nobody does.

The BTC price doesn't matter very much. It only affects the price of electricity in Bitcoins. Otherwise, everything else stays the same. You do the ROI calculation in Bitcoins you compare buying a miner to buying Bitcoins directly.

Only if you want to distort the calculation, KCNminer price their products in $USD not BTC therefore the ROI must also be calculated in USD.

[greenbtc]

i will make also a company
i will take your money with pre-order
and then i will go for holidays to vegas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

come on guys
does any good lawyer here at forum
to stop all these companies
THEY HAD TAKE OUR MONEYS

[Phoenix1969]

an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

aaaah, I see the light. We need 802.11 on the miner side for it to work... like being plugged into a laptop to access the router thru wi-fi, but It would indeed be better to native on the miner. Hmm, or even if we could plug a wi-fi dongle into the usb port of the miner, would be excellent added protection. Wonder if the linux device will do it... It is an OS after all, maybe we can...  This warrants further investigation...  

PS, I just PM'd KNC asking about it...

[soy]

an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

It's probably too late to add a mini-pci slot to the board.

[tolip_wen]

an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

This router does AP client mode.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006DEBYWU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

there are many similar inexpensive router/AP's available

[Kuroth]

Wow..  Just Freaking Wow..

So glad I got out just in the nick of time..



Market & Hardware Parameters
KnCMiner
Jupiter
1
Hardware Values
Hash Rate (GH/s)   
Power Use (W)   
Cost of Hardware
($)
 
Initial Mining Date   
2013
October
 
Additional Costs
Shipping Costs   
Misc Costs (psu, cables, etc)   
Pool Fee (%)   
Network Stats
Current Difficulty (MM)   
Difficulty Increase / Month
(%)
 
Conversion and Electricity
Conversion Rate ($/BTC)   
Conversion Increase / Month (%)   
Electricity Costs ($/kWh)   


Mining Payout Scheduleby The Genesis Block
USD
Display Currency

Share your analysis:   
Break Even Period:   140 days   Total Fixed Costs:   $7250
Max Profit:   $361 (May-14) - 4.97%   Monthly Power Costs:   $60.5
Month   Difficulty (MM)   Time per
Block (days)   Monthly Revenue   Monthly
Profit   Cumulative
Return
Oct-13   204   25   $3,530   $3,470   $(3,780)
Nov-13   358   45   $2,010   $1,950   $(1,830)
Dec-13   631   78   $1,140   $1,080   $(749)
Jan-14   1110   138   $648   $588   $(161)
Feb-14   1954   243   $368   $308   $146
Mar-14   3439   427   $209   $149   $295
Apr-14   6053   752   $119   $58   $353
May-14   10654   1324   $68   $7   $361
Jun-14   18751   2330   $38   $-22   $338
Jul-14   33002   4101   $22   $-39   $300
Aug-14   58083   7218   $12   $-48   $252
Sep-14   102226   12704   $7   $-53   $198

[soy]

an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

This router does AP client mode.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006DEBYWU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

there are many similar inexpensive router/AP's available

Okay, yes, something like this will work and protect against lightening damage via ethernet.

[Phoenix1969]

an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

This router does AP client mode.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006DEBYWU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

there are many similar inexpensive router/AP's available

Okay, yes, something like this will work and protect against lightening damage via ethernet.

yes IF the miner is designed for it.

[DeathAndTaxes]

yes IF the miner is designed for it.

What do you mean "designed for it"?  As far as the miner is concerned it is Ethernet (100BaseTX).  There is nothing special the miner has to do or be "designed for".  The miner has no idea (nor does it care) that downstream of the bridge packets are traveling over a wireless link, a copper link, a sonar link, a tin can link, or smoke signal link.  It sends Ethernet (100BaseTX) packets and gets back Ethernet packets.  That is the whole point.

[soy]

an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

This router does AP client mode.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006DEBYWU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

there are many similar inexpensive router/AP's available

Okay, yes, something like this will work and protect against lightening damage via ethernet.

yes IF the miner is designed for it.

I'm sure the AP is DHCP capable as will be the miner.

[Phoenix1969]

yes IF the miner is designed for it.

What do you mean designed for it?  As far as the miner is concerned it is Ethernet.  Nothing special that it has to be designed for.  The miner has no idea (nor does it care) that downstream packets are traveling over a wireless link, a copper link, a sonar link, a tin can link, or smoke signal link.  It sends Ethernet (100BaseTX) packets and gets back Ethernet packets.  That is the whole point.

Hmm, after a momentary lapse of reason... I think you'r absolutely correct.. If it can navigate to the web on an RJ45 connection, it shouldn't care if there is a wireless connection downstream or not.
So, with that in mind, I think we'll need a wifi router on each side? The cable/internet provider gives you one with the service, which doesnt care what wifi device is connecting, but in our case, it will be another wifi router, hardwired to the miner, instead of a dongle or built in wifi...  
Am I on the same page now?

[DeathAndTaxes]

yes IF the miner is designed for it.

What do you mean designed for it?  As far as the miner is concerned it is Ethernet.  Nothing special that it has to be designed for.  The miner has no idea (nor does it care) that downstream packets are traveling over a wireless link, a copper link, a sonar link, a tin can link, or smoke signal link.  It sends Ethernet (100BaseTX) packets and gets back Ethernet packets.  That is the whole point.

Hmm, after a momentary lapse of reason... I think you'r absolutely correct.. If it can navigate to the web on an RJ45 connection, it shouldn't care if there is a wireless connection downstream or not.
So, with that in mind, I think we'll need a wifi router on each side? The cable/internet provider gives you one with the service, which doesnt care what wifi device is connecting, but in our case, it will be another wifi router, hardwired to the miner, instead of a dongle or built in wifi... 
Am I on the same page now?

I think so but the way you worded it I am not sure.  Assuming the user already has a wifi router (and who doesn't) they just need to buy a bridge router and then they can plug their miner into that.


ASCII Art for the Winz

==== [Cable Modem] ---- [Existing Wifi Router] ^^^^^^ [Bridge Router] ----- [Miner]

==== Coax Cable
----- RJ-45
^^^ Wireless Link

[Phoenix1969]

yes IF the miner is designed for it.

What do you mean designed for it?  As far as the miner is concerned it is Ethernet.  Nothing special that it has to be designed for.  The miner has no idea (nor does it care) that downstream packets are traveling over a wireless link, a copper link, a sonar link, a tin can link, or smoke signal link.  It sends Ethernet (100BaseTX) packets and gets back Ethernet packets.  That is the whole point.

Hmm, after a momentary lapse of reason... I think you'r absolutely correct.. If it can navigate to the web on an RJ45 connection, it shouldn't care if there is a wireless connection downstream or not.
So, with that in mind, I think we'll need a wifi router on each side? The cable/internet provider gives you one with the service, which doesnt care what wifi device is connecting, but in our case, it will be another wifi router, hardwired to the miner, instead of a dongle or built in wifi...  
Am I on the same page now?

I think so but the way you worded it I am not sure.  Assuming the user already has a wifi router (and who doesn't) they just need to buy a bridge router and then they can plug their miner into that.


ASCII Art for the Winz

==== [Cable Modem] ---- [Existing Wifi Router] ^^^^^^ [Bridge Router] ----- [Miner]

==== Coax Cable
----- RJ-45
^^^ Wireless Link

Got it... yes just what I meant... Thanks for clarifying.

[arousedrhino]

Ok I will ask for refund and I will see

yay! get lost, better for me!

I doubt he even has an order...Why would someone cancel out being so close to delivery? Not a single delay...With such fabulous confirmation? Seems downright suspicious to me. Maybe he just needs the money, ... or a bit tight on cash at home maybe.

I agree, anybody with an order knows their refund policy.

[timmmers]

Just a thought for people doubting KnC refunds policy.
Imagine you are in their shoes. You funded the manufacture already and are weeks from having a batch delivered...then in an extreme scenario half the orders cancel and want a refund. You're "stuck" with all those fully completed machines ready to rock and roll that cost you nowhere near the price you sell them to customers for...so ROI for them if set to work hashing would be a breeze. So you set them to work.

Deliver on time...no problem, no refunds to speak of.
Deliver last minute or a little late, more refunds but the rigs will make you some handsome returns mining alongside the hosted ones (with their juice bill probably subsidised by the hosting fees). They are in a great position as far as difficulty and ROI are concerned compared to us.

I don't know the cost to KnC of a Jupiter, but it's safe to say that them being left with a few won't hurt their bottom line too much so they haven't much to lose by refunding anyone who bottles it.

[Kuroth]

Wow..  Just Freaking Wow..

So glad I got out just in the nick of time..



Market & Hardware Parameters
KnCMiner
Jupiter
1
Hardware Values
Hash Rate (GH/s)   
Power Use (W)   
Cost of Hardware
($)
 
Initial Mining Date   
2013
October
 
Additional Costs
Shipping Costs   
Misc Costs (psu, cables, etc)   
Pool Fee (%)   
Network Stats
Current Difficulty (MM)   
Difficulty Increase / Month
(%)
 
Conversion and Electricity
Conversion Rate ($/BTC)   
Conversion Increase / Month (%)   
Electricity Costs ($/kWh)   


Mining Payout Scheduleby The Genesis Block
USD
Display Currency

Share your analysis:   
Break Even Period:   140 days   Total Fixed Costs:   $7250
Max Profit:   $361 (May-14) - 4.97%   Monthly Power Costs:   $60.5
Month   Difficulty (MM)   Time per
Block (days)   Monthly Revenue   Monthly
Profit   Cumulative
Return
Oct-13   204   25   $3,530   $3,470   $(3,780)
Nov-13   358   45   $2,010   $1,950   $(1,830)
Dec-13   631   78   $1,140   $1,080   $(749)
Jan-14   1110   138   $648   $588   $(161)
Feb-14   1954   243   $368   $308   $146
Mar-14   3439   427   $209   $149   $295
Apr-14   6053   752   $119   $58   $353
May-14   10654   1324   $68   $7   $361
Jun-14   18751   2330   $38   $-22   $338
Jul-14   33002   4101   $22   $-39   $300
Aug-14   58083   7218   $12   $-48   $252
Sep-14   102226   12704   $7   $-53   $198

Just to put your absurd calculations to reality.

January Difficulty of 1110M would be 7 Petahash (7000TH)

You're next calculation of February shows that close to doubling at 13 Petahash (13,000TH)

Then if we move on to the next absurd calculation of March at around 25 Petahash (25,000TH) you start to see how retarded using a % calculation becomes.

Now for some more perspective!

7 Petahash = 17,500 Jupiters = 70,000 Packages = 280,000 ASIC Chips (Remember each one of KnC's Packages has 4 "Chips" inside)

Are you starting to see how unbelievable your calculations are now?

If for some reason it did get to 7 Petahashes with all the other vendors coming online, do you honestly think it will go to 13 in a Month? and then 25 the next month?

Do you think anyone will buy a machine for $5,000 in January when it is making $300/month and dropping?

*Mind Blown*

Not my Calculation Bro..  But yes I can see how the truth can be painful..  Dont hate..  It will make a great paper weight.

[Phoenix1969]

Seems more like someone doesn't know how to use the genesis calculator. If It's not your calc, why did you post it?
You know there is a share link at the top of the calc window on genesis?

Or you could do what I just did.
It's fairly distinct wouldn't you say?
This is with a ridiculously high % per month increase in Diff (76%), and no increase in BTC value/dollar,  which I consider worst case scenario.