Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[2112]

Thank you. I love reading posts that inform!

Thanks for the compliment.

Unfortunately sitting here in this thread and trying out to straighten out every bit of misinformation would be a full time job and a very boring one. So I was trying to come up with some sort of general help for the readers here. The advice of the type "get an EE degree" is completely impractical.

When "Who moved my cheese?" was published and became an instant hit I keept saying that the book is so exagerrated that it becomes an unintentional comedy. Now I know that this book was not an exagerration.

So my advice is go read that book. It is very short, a fast reader can read it while having a large coffe and a croissant in a bookstore. You can buy it or borrow from a library.

It is essentially a pop-psychology piece, but once you read it you'll understand that it is a perfect alegory for a person like kingcoin. For 10 to 20 years kingcoin knew where and how to get his cheese. First he had to slice it by hand; now he has an ATPG tool to slice it for him. But suddenly Bitcoin ASICs came and moved his cheese. That triggered a psychological defense mechanism and turned him to a concern troll.

Bitcoin had already moved the cheese for many professionals. It will move it for many others. So if you plan on being involved in Bitcoin go read that book. It will help you to recognize the people who suffer from the "moved-cheese syndrome" by the easily recognizable psychological symptoms.

[Tamerz]

Does anyone know where you can view your reseller info? Like stats on links or number sold? I emailed them but they never replied back.

[ASIC-K]

Does anyone know where you can view your reseller info? Like stats on links or number sold? I emailed them but they never replied back.

I don't think there is a stats page. But I could be wrong. Think you have to track it yourself?

I feel like nobody will successfully get a free unit. Just an excessive in futility.  Funny to watch though!

[rolling]

Has anyone found a Bitcoin friendly hosting company for these in the US at a reasonable price. I would like to see something around $150 per month for a Jupiter.

[Anenome5]

Has anyone found a Bitcoin friendly hosting company for these in the US at a reasonable price. I would like to see something around $150 per month for a Jupiter.

The one I talked to, admittedly the top hoster in my area, wanted $330 / month, some $2,000 setup fee, and a 3 year commitment >_>

Of all of those, it's the 3-year commitment that's particularly unrealistic.

[Phoenix1969]

I was actually thinking of starting a hosting service in NorthWest USA if there was enough interest. Would be miner friendly. 200/month, with a 3 month commitment for jupiters, and 150 for saturns, 100 for mercury.
Hosting would be available shortly after knc products start shipping, and would be exclusive to knc customers.  But would need be up-front to make it happen. ATX's available separate, or send own.

[ur0pl]

I'm still waiting for October to sell out, so I could buy a November unit at a cheaper price.

[erk]

I'm still waiting for October to sell out, so I could buy a November unit at a cheaper price.

You realize that an extra month of mining is worth more than the price difference?

[ur0pl]

I'm still waiting for October to sell out, so I could buy a November unit at a cheaper price.

You realize that an extra month of mining is worth more than the price difference?

ROTFLMAO.

How early in October do you think you could get a unit at this time? I am guessing that you would be cutting it close to November if you order now. Let's say you buy a Jupiter and get a October 25th date. You would never get ROI according to http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

All the better though. It is honestly better for them to sell out closer to November and not have to pre-order so soon. It is better to get it delivered as soon as you order, so, with luck, they will never sell out of October, and I could order it in November and get it in November.

[DPoS]

And, it would be much simpler to test the PCB then to test the chip.  The chip itself has a 1mm ball pitch and thousands of balls.  Aligning it might take time, and it will generate a lot of heat in the tester (I guess you could test one engine at a time, though)
(although I'm sure the low chip yeild would suck)

You do realise that the very same foundries making KNC's chips make other chips too? This is not rocket science (actually its far more high tech than that, but...), the industry is what 50 years old now? These problems were solved years ago (if BGA was untestable, it would never have made mainstream).

Just stop it please. The problem does not exist, people are doing this every day.

you mean like the warning 'this product was made in a facility that also processes peanuts..  be aware you allergic fools.'

so if a fab also made BFL stuff, there should be a warning label on the miner

[DPoS]

The whole reason they did this is time to market, and they said so several times

They could be generating SVF files now while waiting for the masks to be produced. A second on the tester will not increase the time to market. The time it takes an experienced DFT engineer to run the test tools and formal checkers is in the area of hours. I would even do this for the single purpose of having a higher confidence in the chip which is mounted on the board for the initial bring-up. One valid time to marked argument could be that the process is so new that the tool and library support would have to be developed first.

you sooooo want to be a part of the process but you aren't..   why?

change you life and chase your dreams man.. 

[ur0pl]

Anyone know when the chips finish fabrication or they get sample chips?

[DPoS]

Anyone know when the chips finish fabrication or they get sample chips?

tomorrow

[fcmatt]

I was actually thinking of starting a hosting service in NorthWest USA if there was enough interest. Would be miner friendly. 200/month, with a 3 month commitment for jupiters, and 150 for saturns, 100 for mercury.
Hosting would be available shortly after knc products start shipping, and would be exclusive to knc customers.  But would need be up-front to make it happen. ATX's available separate, or send own.

Elect is the biggest cost for colo. Colo places have to make money. Since you do not need much bandwidth there is no mark up there. So you need elect AND cooling. 200 a month is like breaking even for a colo place with a 3 month commit. 300 with a 12 month contract might do it but i am not sure i would want to make that deal unless it was in quantity. On top of that you would also want remote hands or remote reboot abilities and setup adding to the cost.

I work for a colo/isp.

[eve]

Does anyone know where you can view your reseller info? Like stats on links or number sold? I emailed them but they never replied back.

Try email them again. ATM the members are discussing about water cooling block, psu and power consumption and casing, But not looking at the chips release date.

You better off writing to them again and pray hard for a reply. Is sad I know, no updates for weeks and you don't know how is the chips production status and they plan to shipped on September 2013?

Today is already August 19th 2013 and No Updates.

Get Ready to do your Re...d Button. Hit it hard if really no news by August 31st 2013. Just HOPE is not another Avalon.

[Phoenix1969]

Does anyone know where you can view your reseller info? Like stats on links or number sold? I emailed them but they never replied back.

Try email them again. ATM the members are discussing about water cooling block, psu and power consumption and casing, But not looking at the chips release date.

You better off writing to them again and pray hard for a reply. Is sad I know, no updates for weeks and you don't know how is the chips production status and they plan to shipped on September 2013?

Today is already August 19th 2013 and No Updates.

Get Ready to do your Re...d Button. Hit it hard if really no news by August 31st 2013. Just HOPE is not another Avalon.

Please tell me you're not serious.

[-Redacted-]

Will you quit quoting eve?  Most of us have him on ignore.  Little Eddie can go screw himself for all most of us care.

[Ytterbium]

Is the word may in your sentence above an indication of that you think this is something they should do, or that you have heard somewhere that they might supply vectors and run test on the tester?

I have no idea what they're actually going to do. I assume they know what they're doing.

I would also think you'd still need to pay for the whole wafer space even if your chip doesn't work, right? So getting rid of defective chips wouldn't actually save them $200, right? I figured it would only save them the cost of the PCB, and possibly add more time to their schedule.

[AussieHash]

Email today from customerservice@kncminer.com

KnCMiner will not be offering a ROI guarantee.

Regards,
Liam

[Xialla]

Email today from customerservice@kncminer.com

KnCMiner will not be offering a ROI guarantee.

Regards,
Liam

as far as I know, they offering refund anytime before day of shipment. this is important for me, I can calculate ROI by myself.)