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Author Topic: PhoenixMiner 3.0c: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Windows)  (Read 82297 times)
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March 01, 2018, 06:20:23 PM
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I may look into it, just to check. While they have only a Win version, where I'm less practiced, I don't need nor want to go through the logic itself - location and extraction of the binary GPU kernel will tell me. Even if they based it on yours and made modifications - certain things in it stand out, so it shouldn't be ambiguous at all.
While I *know* it's quite possible to do better than Claymore's kernels - recently, he's made improvements resulting in them being quite a bit better, which cuts some of my own advantage. The optimizations in regards to core computations I've done result in me requiring far lower core clocks for the same hashrates, so I'll take the power savings. Despite this, I don't see Claymore blatantly lying about something so easily proved.

It would be nice if you can confirm my words. No modifications at all, the kernels are the same, taken from v10. I know you dumped my binaries for v10 so you can compare them easily.

It is also quite wrong of you to assume these things:
  • That you can't be fooled by our anti-reversing measures (really do you think that we can't detect dll-injection attacks?).
  • And that, if you do succeed in extracting our real/current kernels and leak them in the open, we can't do the same with yours. "We know" a guy that was part of the driver development team of AMD and he is itching to test its kernel-level emulator by trying to extract your current kernels. Heck, if he's successful, we can even put your kernels in our miner and let the users select them explicitly and see for themselves how they compare with ours.  Grin

1. Yes you cannot detect my runtime attacks, at least not all, and 100% you cannot detect driver level attacks. In fact, your protection is really weak, I spent some more time and now have three different ways to get kernels and they all return same binary. Of course you will state that your super-protection even detects my system driver, it's ridiculous.
2. My dumped kernels are on this forum already in public, so I don't care about your "kernel guy", "a guy from AMD" etc. The only thing I care is to prove that you are the liar.



I am also very active in the low level side of this, and have also dumped both kernels at a mock hardware level and can absolutely confirm Claymore’s post. Private kernels developed to match specific hardware can be developed that are faster than Claymore’s, but significant work has gone into those kernels. They are absolutely rights  of Claymore and stolen in this case. Never mind all originally stole from open source...

You can back up the accusation of being stolen from open source, I take it? I rewrote my Ethash over a dozen times. At least four of them was in pure GCN assembly without a starting template.

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March 01, 2018, 06:52:03 PM
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[quote author=Wolf0 link=topic=2647654.msg31357143#msg31357143 date=
You can back up the accusation of being stolen from open source, I take it? I rewrote my Ethash over a dozen times. At least four of them was in pure GCN assembly without a starting template.
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That was meant more anecdotally than accusitorily, in general I don’t think code or binaries were copied directly so much as techniques. Ethash isn’t that complicated so there are only so many ways to write it. I do believe I’ve seen higher level stratum and other code that very much looks like someone started with an ethminer fork though. I don’t necessarily think this is wrong as much as standing on shoulders of existing work.
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March 01, 2018, 07:22:08 PM
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how does one "steal" something that's opensource? lol. seems contradictory.
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March 01, 2018, 07:41:37 PM
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today huge stale numbers + ethermine.org disconect at eu1. not reporting current hashrate but showing average and effective one> wtf
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March 01, 2018, 08:20:26 PM
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how does one "steal" something that's opensource? lol. seems contradictory.

By using it in closed source project which is usually against open source license?

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March 01, 2018, 08:33:18 PM
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how does one "steal" something that's opensource? lol. seems contradictory.

By using it in closed source project which is usually against open source license?
Rarely. This is mostly only the case with the GPL and its derivatives. While I consider it a disease, I respect it. In my personal miner (from scratch) - I PM'd pooler, the original dev of the Stratum code in cpuminer, for his permission to use some of it. He took some time to consider, and then denied. But I thank him for it. I know it damn well now, and IMO, there's better ways to handle it than implemented in cpuminer derivatives, including cc/cg/sgminer.

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March 01, 2018, 08:42:28 PM
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3rd time ill ask u: when do u think we can dual mine on pheonix?
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March 01, 2018, 08:50:20 PM
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3rd time ill ask u: when do u think we can dual mine on pheonix?
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cant you fucking read? he already answered plenty of times.
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March 01, 2018, 08:51:16 PM
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3rd time ill ask u: when do u think we can dual mine on pheonix?
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He answered you in this msg. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2647654.msg31314200#msg31314200
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March 01, 2018, 09:28:44 PM
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3rd time ill ask u: when do u think we can dual mine on pheonix?
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He answered you in this msg. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2647654.msg31314200#msg31314200

Ma bad,sry.
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March 01, 2018, 10:10:50 PM
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lol guys, please dont turn this thread into an _SP thread.  IF you want to discuss open license abuse...then you know where to go now.

W0lf it sounds you are buying a boat.  Over here it goes like this : The two happiest days of your life are : The day you buy your boat, and the day you sell your boat Smiley

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March 01, 2018, 11:26:05 PM
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lol guys, please dont turn this thread into an _SP thread.  IF you want to discuss open license abuse...then you know where to go now.

W0lf it sounds you are buying a boat.  Over here it goes like this : The two happiest days of your life are : The day you buy your boat, and the day you sell your boat Smiley



I'm not buying a damn thing. I don't have the actual ties to AMD; I'm thankful for that. Working with someone who does, however... means I end up, a lot of times, on the "need to know" list.

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March 02, 2018, 12:58:53 AM
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lol guys, please dont turn this thread into an _SP thread.  IF you want to discuss open license abuse...then you know where to go now.

W0lf it sounds you are buying a boat.  Over here it goes like this : The two happiest days of your life are : The day you buy your boat, and the day you sell your boat Smiley


Working with someone who does, however... means I end up, a lot of times, on the "need to know" list.

I swear every time I see an update from her she's in a different goddamned country. like weekly!

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March 02, 2018, 06:51:45 AM
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lol guys, please dont turn this thread into an _SP thread.  IF you want to discuss open license abuse...then you know where to go now.

W0lf it sounds you are buying a boat.  Over here it goes like this : The two happiest days of your life are : The day you buy your boat, and the day you sell your boat Smiley


Working with someone who does, however... means I end up, a lot of times, on the "need to know" list.

I swear every time I see an update from her she's in a different goddamned country. like weekly!

That's not an exaggeration, actually...

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March 02, 2018, 06:53:48 AM
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Lmao, has anyone seen a dramatic increase of stale shares since yesterday? I’m constantly12-20?!?!
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March 02, 2018, 07:03:18 AM
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I did not understand if wolf0 and claymore are the same person Undecided Undecided

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March 02, 2018, 07:14:40 AM
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Lmao, has anyone seen a dramatic increase of stale shares since yesterday? I’m constantly12-20?!?!
10 1/2 hours, 1.56% stale shares.
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March 02, 2018, 10:53:49 AM
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If i got 1066 with hynix will this miner help me to rise hashrate from 18!!! mh/s or it would give the same result as claymore?
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March 02, 2018, 10:56:59 AM
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I did not understand if wolf0 and claymore are the same person Undecided Undecided

Yes, the secret is out.  Cheesy
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March 02, 2018, 12:27:57 PM
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If i got 1066 with hynix will this miner help me to rise hashrate from 18!!! mh/s or it would give the same result as claymore?

Both will do as demonstrated here:

http://www.legitreviews.com/silent-ethereum-mining-evga-geforce-gtx-1060-22-mhs_195529
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