Yes. Yes you do. Stop trying to find a rationale to not do the right thing. Doesn't look good on you, these forums, or the Bitcoin community.
No, I don't. And that simply isn't how this forum is run. So basically the forum is unmoderated and rules for posting are merely suggestions. Got it. Why are we even bothering discussing this then? I'll just go back to reporting Inaba on a regular basis as I come across his quotes in thread that are defamatory and continually hit BFL over the head with their own customers complaints as shaming them is the only thing that might save just one person from buying into BFL. I am sure you know what I mean. |
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But disclosing someone's name? I do not have a flyswatter big-enough to put a cork back in the genie.
Yes. Yes you do. Stop trying to find a rationale to not do the right thing. Doesn't look good on you, these forums, or the Bitcoin community. +1 Evidence is there. Repeated time and time again. You need to rectify this Gmax. |
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What do you want— if its active threats, sure— I'll remove them just to keep the tone more polite. But disclosing someone's name? I do not have a flyswatter big-enough to put a cork back in the genie.
There is clearly a PATTERN. If you can't moderate based on that what good is it having moderation. There is a concerted effort to defame people and lie and having had to report more than 20 to 30 of these alone from Inaba on my reputation at what point does a sanction get implemented? I get you are busy and have a life and all but at some point you know what is happening here right. I am just one person that has been lied about continuously by the "pro"BFL types and Inaba himself. What can you do? Warn em. Ban em. Right? It isn't about freedom of speech or openness it about people purposefully intending to derail every thread that negatively reflects the REALITY of the BFL situation. At some point you have to be an honest arbiter in this do you not? I do think you're being too hard on gmaxwell specifically. The problem is far above him. Hint: it would be the guy who profited by withdrawing all his funds from the pirate ponzi before it collapsed There are social and business networks driving activities on this site that simply aren't visible to the casual visitor. If he can't fix the fucking problem don't try and weigh in on HF and other scams. I get a bit pissed-off at the regularity of the BFL personal attacks without any repercussions. At some point you have to moderate or quit. I respect the Gmaxwell he is more than moderately intelligent and a fair minded person but at some point you have to do the job. All I am asking. seriously: just put josh on ignore. He never has anything constructive to contribute so you will miss absolutely nothing. You might not like his personal attacks, I certainly don't, but you should realize that absolutely no one gives the man any credibility here any longer. Have you ever asked yourself why he has so much rage? It's the knowledge that he has absolutely zero influence in this community. I have had him on Ignore as I have Slok and BCP19. But the pattern continues. Doesn't matter if we report it, ignore it or respond to it. The pattern remains and it is clear there is no excuse for allowing that sort of flagrant misuse of this forum. It is farce at best the guidelines imposed here if you continue to allow it to happen. I seriously want people to be WARNED off BFL and I think that is something that has VALUE in this community. It is our job to do that given that the Moderators are not doing this, they have basically said just in this thread you are "stupid" for buying BFL. I agree. BFL is not a good choice for your BTC or $ and that is proven time and time again by the posts in their own forums on reddit and here in this forum. |
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You've reported Inaba 27 times, Bicknellski. There is a pattern, indeed. But I suspect that pattern is you being far too easily trolled for the norms on Bitcointalk. Bringing up the moderator interface there are a bunch of reviewed and rejected reports from you (not just or even mostly ignored me, I believe)— apparently not me or MiningBuddy or any of the global mods who've seen these reports thought they were suitable to respond to (I think maybe removed a post or to here or there when they were flagrantly and completely off-topic—).
LOL.... easily trolled. My word how simplistic. You would think at 27 I would simply give up. Look through what I have posted and what he has posted you tell me who is being easily trolled. If you don't want to moderate then don't but don't come off like you don't see what this guy is doing purposefully every time he posts. It isn't just me. The doxxing of Xian01 repeatedly is something that is just beyond me. You can throw the blame back on those posting FACTS and EVIDENCE but really at what point do you jump in and sanction someone if ever? There is a pattern. We all see it. What will the moderators do to rectify this? |
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What do you want— if its active threats, sure— I'll remove them just to keep the tone more polite. But disclosing someone's name? I do not have a flyswatter big-enough to put a cork back in the genie.
There is clearly a PATTERN. If you can't moderate based on that what good is it having moderation. There is a concerted effort to defame people and lie and having had to report more than 20 to 30 of these alone from Inaba on my reputation at what point does a sanction get implemented? I get you are busy and have a life and all but at some point you know what is happening here right. I am just one person that has been lied about continuously by the "pro"BFL types and Inaba himself. What can you do? Warn em. Ban em. Right? It isn't about freedom of speech or openness it about people purposefully intending to derail every thread that negatively reflects the REALITY of the BFL situation. At some point you have to be an honest arbiter in this do you not? I do think you're being too hard on gmaxwell specifically. The problem is far above him. Hint: it would be the guy who profited by withdrawing all his funds from the pirate ponzi before it collapsed There are social and business networks driving activities on this site that simply aren't visible to the casual visitor. If he can't fix the fucking problem don't try and weigh in on HF and other scams. I get a bit pissed-off at the regularity of the BFL personal attacks without any repercussions. At some point you have to moderate or quit. I respect Gmaxwell he is more than moderately intelligent and a fair minded person but at some point you have to do the job. All I am asking. This is why I am astonished he doesn't do more considering what he knows of the situation. I find it hard to believe that Inaba is looking to help promote dialogue about BFL failures and looking for solutions. Every post he makes is an derogatory and not within any bounds of discussion. I think we can all see that right? |
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What do you want— if its active threats, sure— I'll remove them just to keep the tone more polite. But disclosing someone's name? I do not have a flyswatter big-enough to put a cork back in the genie.
There is clearly a PATTERN. If you can't moderate based on that what good is it having moderation. There is a concerted effort to defame people and lie and having had to report more than 20 to 30 of these alone from Inaba on my reputation at what point does a sanction get implemented? I get you are busy and have a life and all but at some point you know what is happening here right. I am just one person that has been lied about continuously by the "pro"BFL types and Inaba himself. What can you do? Warn em. Ban em. Right? It isn't about freedom of speech or openness it about people purposefully intending to derail every thread that negatively reflects the REALITY of the BFL situation. At some point you have to be an honest arbiter in this do you not? Doesn't matter if I stay on topic and post ONLY about the topic... at some point Inaba Slok or BCP19 and or others will come along and attack the person not the information. That has to stop no? You seem to think we all enjoy this constant negativity? We don't we want to have honest and open discussions about things that affect us all and to be honest you know and I know BFL has not been a willing participant here to being honest and open. They with almost every post try to derail the topics. |
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WRT offtopic, things which are not at all related to the buying and selling of hardware— including garbage like posting pictures of various peoples family member and other grade-school rubbish are offtopic and they're going to get moved. If you don't like it, stay the @#$@ out of the subforum.
But doxxing... Doxxing is OK. +1 Where are the mods on this? It is clear that has happened and NOTHING has been done. No warnings? No bans? That is just beyond belief. |
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Concerning yourself with the future actions of others is a waste of energy.
The future of others is also the future of Bitcoin. If small independent miners keep losing their shirts on deals like this we'll end up in a case where only huge consolidated operations with captive manufacturing will be profitable. The end result would be an enormous centralization of hash-power which would undermine the security assumptions in Bitcoin, and result in the ultimate failure of the cryptocurrency... which wouldn't be in the interest of anyone currently mining or holding coins. Besides, the future actions of others may include my friends and future friends. Not everything is about making a profit denominated in coins or dollars. You really didn't care when it was BFL ripping people off, so what makes this different? Is it that you are one of the people that were deceived? Don't get me wrong, I've been screaming about this for 18 months now. But I'm surprised to see this new attitude from you in particular. If you want to improve things, as a mod you can easily have a positive impact. Abolish all discussion of hardware that hasn't shipped in volume to mining speculation. +1 You think he would get the message. I don't think hypocrisy is a good thing intentional or not. No one could argue that BFL is somehow under the radar and it CLEAR without doubt even that BFL has done and is doing things are more or less 'illegal' and harmful to this community well beyond the current HF fiasco and it obviously begs the question why weigh in on HF and not BFL? That is simply a question that never seems to get answered. |
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Interesting. First I've heard of this... I wonder who they served (if anyone in BFL). You know you really screwed up your "win" when the defendant first hears about a case on an unrelated 3rd party internet forum, heh.
Should be an open and shut case to get this re-opened and dismissed.
Such words of wisdom from Josh. Shouldn't you be working on writing your next delay?? Insults have a way of working against people. How is that Internet Law Degree treating you now? Pfft the comedy. |
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I think ScamFast is using puppet accounts to downvote this.
Come people, let's get some more upvotes on this.
Now we're moving from scam accusations to conspiracy theories? That is not good for the Custom Hardware sub's signal/noise ratio. Which is why the rules say: If you feel you need to investigate a party that has scammed you, take it to the scam accusation sub-forum. Don't pull a Josh/BFL. Come clean and fix the problems you and your company have. That is the ONLY course of action to get people to trust your company. Do not go down this road. Take every challenge you are being presented and FIX it don't turn and lay blame or deflect. Fix it. |
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Hey... Bick has another 12 hours at least before he has to produce his product that he promised would be delivered in December! Give him the benefit of the doubt, I mean he's delivered befo... oh wait... no he hasn't. His last two projects were failures as well. Oops!
Are you referring to BFL's Monarch? http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/November / December Initial Shipping
+1 It is laughable if it weren't for the fact people are being screwed over in the millions of dollars. Unlike BFL anything I have been involved with has not taken a dime from the community. And when we do have our WASPs Open Source Hardware designs out well before the Monarch is shipped in any quantity we can then measure the size of our "Dick's". Given the EE's working on the WASP's I have little fear that in the end Monarch will not be able to compete against our Open Source Hardware design given you would have a variety of chip options. There is failure here in this thread and that is BFL products. Thankfully I have never been sued by anyone as a result of my efforts in the community and would hope that the 50+ members of our collective uphold our mission to bring an open source mining hardware solution to the community without ever having to take a single Satoshi let alone millions of dollars from others and then screw them over royally. We will bring to market something that you can build you can control the timeline and take out the weakest link companies like BFL. ---------- Back to the topic at hand it looks like someone has sued BFL and won. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u4v0o/i_sued_bfl_in_kansas_jurisdiction_and_won/ <--- Looks like the people are taking the fight to BFL and I am hopeful this will continue. People shouldn't have to take BFL bullshit any longer this looks like a nice way to put a dent in the BFL wall of ignorance. BFL has now failed to respond to their loss of the suit and we are looking for ways to collect via lien, direct bank account deduction, etc. In addition we will be shortly expanding a second lawsuit based upon the proof of fraud whereby our bitcoins will be returned to us via a court procedure known as 'recession' [where the court orders that you are returned to the same position today that existed before the fraud occurred] and will seek to secure our bitcoins by way of a replevin order...
...If anyone is interested in filing suit against BFL remotely, I have an EXCELLENT attorney-- and since he has already won the first suit, it is a foregone conclusion he can win yours.
Now the caveat: BFL is very skilled at moving its money and its accounts around the various banks in Leawood Kansas. Our investigator has determined that they had accounts in certain banks which are now closed, but we suspect that they are no longer using the registered corp-name BF Labs Inc as the corporate name on the account they use to pay their local employees-- and they DO have to pay their employees somehow. ... Slok? BCP19... Inaba care to comment on BFL being sued and losing? Thought not. CAVEAT EMPTORTacit warning to the buyers that the sellers are not bound to volunteer negative information about the items they are selling. It is assumed that (unless the seller gives express warranty) the buyer takes all risk of any loss due to defects in the goods or property being bought. Latin for, let the buyer beware. And in the case of BFL you would have to SUE to get your money back in most if not all cases. |
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RMAed 2 underperforming and DOA LSes already. One more of total 5 LSes slowing down to 15-20GH/s and dead after 4 days of work PSU is under RMA request ATM. And I keep losses on return and delays. Ban on support forums by SLok...
And that happy new year letter informing about 60% pricedrop after about 1 month after receiving the order... Just joke on customers.
No reply on warranty certificate request as it was demanded by Fedex for UK customs.
Josh there is a lot of work to do with BFL customer relations and service. Why you are spending the time on humble Bicknelski who is in fact supporing BFL in being reputable company?
I would love to see BFL become reputable. Unfortunately they have done very little given the mountains of evidence in their own forums and on here regarding the under performance and failures. Their attack and ban practices is clearly a sign they are not interested in the truth or in fixing the quality issues with their products. This is more in coming with 'scams' than any of the other reputable ASIC manufacturing companies who are shipping products and respond immediately to RMA issues. The competition has beaten BFL and there is little if anything BFL has that anyone should want to own at this point. They are way over priced, poorly built, given the numbers of complaints in this thread alone as evidence, they have not even provided evidence for the tape out of the Monarch yet and people are still holding out hope they will deliver? At this point the best solution is not to purchase BFL products and move to more reputable companies. I am sorry for your experiences with BFL Vayvanne, I suppose at some point the shame will finally hit BFL and it could turn things around or they will go under. |
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I would not buy from BFL. I have seen many blown up BFL products. Even if they deliver, then will deliver late. And even when you have this product 'Monarch', you do not want to put that in your precious computer.
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Num num.... looks delicious.
Can't wait to put these into the Wasps.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=392152.msg4238205#msg4238205I have spent A LOT with BFL, up until several weeks ago i was happy with BFL, DESPITE delays. I like the form factor, how they are plug and play ready to use devices etc. That all changed when one of the 65nm 60Gh units i received have 5% HW errors, no reply from BFL - ok it was hashing just fine tho, then my last order of 4x7Gh was received, 2 of which didn't perform even at 6Gh, 1 of which had 7-8% HW errors, and worst of all: NOT EVERYTHING in my order was received! No reply from BFL, no refund etc.and now this "Happy new year, F! YOU PREORDER PEOPLE" shit. They need to compensate that. All those who preordered got properly shafted. The same people who made sure they got the development funds. They are shafting the people who brings in the dough for them. I know i wont be making a new order with BFL - no matter what. I'm damn sure i'm not alone.Most likely most of the people who make big return orders, ie. big miners, like myself will not be making more orders with BFL unless they offer A BIG discount compared to the competition to compensate for the lack of customer care, delays in shipping and BS stunts like this. What BFL just did was 60% devaluation of your preorder - i don't believe for a moment there is a significant lead time for the 4700$ price tag items before the 2100$ ones ship. They shafted their most important customer base - those who "invest" into BFL, believe in them. The least they could do is even attempt to compensate for this. |
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Interesting... seems to work.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=387715.msg4174302#msg4174302
BFL Black Friday order arrived, thoughts and boosts....
Well, my BFL order came. Minus the $20 PCI-E cable, I guess it's on back order and I'm glad that they didn't wait for it. But it does mean I have to use the BFL cables for the moment....
Anyway, some thoughts: The miners do work, and seem to be working pretty well. There were three, well packed, clean, and new. Fans all blow down, they only have two drilled holes in the bottom of the back plate to see the LEDs, and they all use the newer style fan mounting which is much better than those stupid spacers of yore.
Put them all online and tried to read them with the BFL Commport tool. Well well well, they all do not respond, the tool thinks they are mining. Whatever the software load it looks to be different than normal. That's odd, I'll have to reflash them but I thought I would take a look at the statistics first.
Speeds are not bad. One is at 8, one at 7.7, one at 7.0. The two with green dots on the back are the fast ones, the red dot is a slower one. I can see how BFL is doing things.
Taking them apart they use the normal new style heat sink, which blocks the front vents somewhat. Yuck, I don't recall if my older ones do that, will have to check. Pulling a heat sink showed a thick pad of heat sink compound (ie: krud), I took that off and put on dabs of Radio Shack heat sink compound. Much better.
These things run hotter than my older jallies, not sure why. Temps were almost 50c, blowing down on the FTDI chip is probably a good way to fry it. Switched one of the fans, temp is at 45c. Bit better but still hot, odd.
Took one of the units and put it on the torture table for another chip from lentbt. Two chips came today, 4 more ordered today, guy is selling very good stuff. I recommend. Chip went on fine with the preheat to 350f for 5 mins, then 450c for 90 seconds this time after using a thin coating of flux and aligning the chip. Don't go by the markings, use a magnifying glass to look at the balls. They must be aligned perfectly, otherwise you're wasting a chip.
Put fan on pointing down and left sides off. Unit is at 48c, hashing 12gh, three lights on back. Nice. Will take another one to 12gh tonight, then when I get the extra chips will probably boost both to 16gh then do something else with my remaining chips.
Overall, good product, but running hotter. I'd recommend flipping the fan if you're running it with the sides on, otherwise take the sides off and look into replacing that crap on the bottom of the unit.
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Hi, Few days ago I ordered 2 Monarch cards from BFL. When I ordered they say delivery is estimated in October/November. Now I see the first batch is sold out ( http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/) But the delivery dates they publish for the sold out dates are... "November/December" Looks like they got another month delay just few days after they start taking orders... If they finish the "tape out" few few days ago and at that time they estimate 60-90 days what can change now to get an estimation of 90-120 days. With 60-90 days was a risky bet to buy... with 120 is a suicide. I know may I have been an idiot buying from them. Regards Tape out? Have they got that done yet? |
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This will earn about 0.1 BTC per day IF it ships on Dec 30 and will decline quickly to 0.025 BTC per day as HF and CT ship their backlog and everyone else continues shipping.
I would say they are worth around 2.5BTC or about $2400 IF you get them ON TIME.
exactly say no to these fucktards. Vote with your wallet. Think first and don't buy later. No. Just hope more people get the message. |
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