Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[DeathAndTaxes]

Power-consumption I read in here is now down to 0.85W => you can run your miner way longer than thought.

More like >1.1 J/GH.  Still that is a lot better than the original 2 J/GH estimate.

You pay for wattage at the wall, that is the number that matters.  I haven't seen a single report by end user of kill-a-watt showing <500W for system @ 500 GH/s.

no..it is 1w/GHs...
avg 545 gh/s in cgminer...530-540 Watt at kill-o-watt

You measured this yourself?  Others have reported higher consumption.  Can you let me know the power supply and AC voltage?  Also does your rig the 4 or 8 VRM version?

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[idee2013]

Power-consumption I read in here is now down to 0.85W => you can run your miner way longer than thought.

More like >1.1 J/GH.  Still that is a lot better than the original 2 J/GH estimate.

You pay for wattage at the wall, that is the number that matters.  I haven't seen a single report by end user of kill-a-watt showing <500W for system @ 500 GH/s.

no..it is 1w/GHs...
avg 545 gh/s in cgminer...530-540 Watt at kill-o-watt

You measured this yourself?  Others have reported higher consumption.  Can you let me know the power supply and AC voltage?

yes i have done it myself. PC&Cooling (OCZ) MK III 1200. 220 volt
see at the knc forum..there are more reports with about 530 watts.
8 VRMs but 4 are disabled since FW 0.91

[FUKT]

When I ordered and paid in July the KnC page said 400 for a Jup. It said October in huge letters for delivery.
That was what tipped me over to ordering. The fact that it would be early enough to have a chance of breaking even, and also that KnC understood that by their (back then quite frequent compared to now) statements about difficulty being important.

What has been delivered to others has not been double that, has on a lot of occasions not worked close to that spec even in hosting.

In any case, the speed is moot if you don't have the rig hashing. This is all non hardware related we hear, it's firmware. If so, what's the production delay? Why not churn them out and update the firmware ? If what we have been told is true about the production times and lines they could have finished them all days ago. 500 a day should be easily possible. 30 assembly benches..8 hours a day. Easy.

How can such magnificent engineers not know the production capacity of their own factory? It's fucking basic. In a real business it would be the deal breaker for funding in the business plan (pre-order avoids the need to actually know these basics for backing doesn't it?). The timing of the batch being all complete should be known for definite.

These facts simply don't go together. Rigs change status and nothing moves. KnC STFU completely.
Meanwhile we all know we are losing money and worry that we may take delivery of a malfunctioning machine after all this time.

Add to this the attitude that being pissed off about all this over promising and non delivering is somehow trolling? We don't look at this as some marvellous experiment that we can get into for free and make millions whatever happens..to us it's seeing a company and product, measuring their promises against what seems possible and investing our money based on those promises. The only pleasure we get is a box arriving and the rig working..then we breathe a sigh of relief. Even if it's a day or two late.

Right now, those of us who haven't seen that box, we're not having fun. We have no solid information and even though they know how things are, they don't have anyone working to even answer the phone. We're all losing the possibility of breaking even in return for putting our trust in KnC. They seem to think we're stupid for that. Or it simply doesn't matter.

Oh and forget that "we're all busy" crap...they have a hell of a lot of money to hire a few temps for a week like any other very busy business does. To assemble, answer the phone, send email updates, free up someone who can etc.

Taking the piss.

Dude, Ive already told KNC if my units are not shipped by October 15th I will be invoicing for everyday of lost mining. I suggest you do the same.

[danhu]

  I hope I will have my Jupiters getting online by October 15. Paid for miners and hosting in July.
  stress out by their delay and their excuses.

[pgbit]

I hope I will have my Jupiters getting online by October 15. Paid for miners and hosting in July.
  stress out by their delay and their excuses.

Take a look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=249065.0;topicseen
From this list, KnC are now hosting a minimum of 2 miners, but have shipped a larger number proportionally. It sure would be good to have some feedback about the hosting issues.

[sickpig]

Power-consumption I read in here is now down to 0.85W => you can run your miner way longer than thought.

More like >1.1 J/GH.  Still that is a lot better than the original 2 J/GH estimate.

You pay for wattage at the wall, that is the number that matters.  I haven't seen a single report by end user of kill-a-watt showing <500W for system @ 500 GH/s.

with 0.94 my two jups give me (5s):513.1G (avg):496.6Gh/s and they drained at the wall 4.4 Ampere @ 220 V --> 968 Watts.
(and this includes fans/controll board/BBB etc etc).

next time I'll go to the colo I'll redo the measure for 0.95.

if KnC will fix the flushwork implmentation I think I can squeeze the ramining GH/s to get 500 on avg,

edit: all my PCBs board have 8 VRMs

[soy]

KNC are shit hot Engineers (but engineers should not run companies) , there reputation as a company is what people will remember, how they treated their customers is what people will remember.

the 2 principals of KNC are not engineers.  they are businessmen.

which is why i went with HF.  Simon is a brilliant engineer along with his team of at least 4 asic engineers and now more.  i've lost track of the actual number.

Your hijacking this thread to tout hashfast is terrible and you should be ashamed.  That said, but, if you were to suggest to someone who knows nothing about hashfast what the best hashfast miner to put money in RIGHT NOW, what would you suggest?  At what website?  And in the future?

[soy]

My 2centz.....
To those thinking another BBB will help their Jupiter....... WRONG
The BBB is useless without the controller board it's mounted to.

So, the controller board won't mount on another BBB, one yet having a USB port, say for wifi?

[soy]

Hi,

is it safe to put some vent like this one on top of the rig and let it run 24/7?

http://www.amazon.com/Lasko-3723-20-Inch-Premium-3-SPEED/dp/B000HHJ2I2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381687873&sr=8-1&keywords=boxfan

I was considering that originally for my tests.

But....?

Edit: I dont wanna enter my garage the next morning and that thing started a little fire.

A capacitor exposed to excessive voltage, poping a short thru its diaelectric and outgassing, isn't a fire (even if there is soot expelled with the outgassing).

[soy]

Hi,

is it safe to put some vent like this one on top of the rig and let it run 24/7?

http://www.amazon.com/Lasko-3723-20-Inch-Premium-3-SPEED/dp/B000HHJ2I2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381687873&sr=8-1&keywords=boxfan

EXACTLY What I'm using..lol....works great!

Hashrate got better?

by about 20 gh/s, yes, and dropped temps 10 degrees Celcius
260 to 272gh/s, and 58-60C to 43-45C

20GH/s is two Blades almost!

[cypherdoc]

KNC are shit hot Engineers (but engineers should not run companies) , there reputation as a company is what people will remember, how they treated their customers is what people will remember.

the 2 principals of KNC are not engineers.  they are businessmen.

which is why i went with HF.  Simon is a brilliant engineer along with his team of at least 4 asic engineers and now more.  i've lost track of the actual number.

Your hijacking this thread to tout hashfast is terrible and you should be ashamed.  That said, but, if you were to suggest to someone who knows nothing about hashfast what the best hashfast miner to put money in RIGHT NOW, what would you suggest?  At what website?  And in the future?

i feel just as ashamed and terrible as all the KNC Warriors 

i thought i had left this thread?  but since you asked:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg3332044#msg3332044

[semaster]

KNC are shit hot Engineers (but engineers should not run companies) , there reputation as a company is what people will remember, how they treated their customers is what people will remember.

the 2 principals of KNC are not engineers.  they are businessmen.

which is why i went with HF.  Simon is a brilliant engineer along with his team of at least 4 asic engineers and now more.  i've lost track of the actual number.

Your hijacking this thread to tout hashfast is terrible and you should be ashamed.  That said, but, if you were to suggest to someone who knows nothing about hashfast what the best hashfast miner to put money in RIGHT NOW, what would you suggest?  At what website?  And in the future?

i feel just as ashamed and terrible as all the KNC Warriors 

i thought i had left this thread?  but since you asked:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg3332044#msg3332044

continue trolling - that is your way to hero member ... )

[soy]

At this point I'd like to have at least a couple of controller boards.
edit: And BeagleBoards, but I can get those quickly and easily.

Ah ha!  Somehow I came to understand a "controller" board, attached to the BBB, is something other than the main board that the ASIC modules are mounted on.

So, is it a simple matter to remove the KnC stock BBB and add a standard BBB having a 5v barrel connector, a USB port and the RJ45 connector?  I assume one can add to the apt source list and get programs for wifi if one has a mind to.

[soy]

ya... the units measure exactly 7" tall, so when you stack 3 of them, it will be 21", which is exactly how tall the boxfans are...   and I figure... removing the 6 case fans will certainly help offset the cost of running a single boxfan on low setting

you know, you can plug 4 of your ASICs into one saturn and feel the pain of a jupiter owner if you really care to keep making opinions on people who are trying to deal with our situation ..  ok?

huh?  looks like you post faster than u read.
I'm not arguing one bit with your assessment of the situation.
Seems spot-on
just wanted to be sure peeps didnt rush out to buy a BBB to cure a problem, only to find out it needed a controller board...thats all...

I'm tempted because the BBB has all the capabilities of a RPi and is faster.

[Paladin69]

o'rama,

It would be really nice if KnC could do some sort of miner protection for their customers like what HashFast is doing.  We have six total ASIC slots on our boards.  I'd think KnC could afford to do it with ORSoC so close by if HashFast is offering it.

If HashFast delivers up to 400% more hardware to their customers, that would destroy the difficulty for people invested anywhere else.  I would like to think KnC has plans to respond in some way if this happens.  Maybe they don't care and they already got theirs...

[soy]

My 2centz.....
To those thinking another BBB will help their Jupiter....... WRONG
The BBB is useless without the controller board it's mounted to.

Dude why do you not understand things?  Yes the request is for a controller board to split up a jupiter into saturns and mercurys?

if you had a jupiter you could engage in this discussion. saturns and mercurys will not have the same issues

Recall when that company decided on a single long board instead of two hot pepper boards for their unmarried miner?  I said then that if it failed and  the customer wanted to RMA they'd be fully up the creek without half a miner.

[erschiessen]

KNC are shit hot Engineers (but engineers should not run companies) , there reputation as a company is what people will remember, how they treated their customers is what people will remember.

the 2 principals of KNC are not engineers.  they are businessmen.

which is why i went with HF.  Simon is a brilliant engineer along with his team of at least 4 asic engineers and now more.  i've lost track of the actual number.

Your hijacking this thread to tout hashfast is terrible and you should be ashamed.  That said, but, if you were to suggest to someone who knows nothing about hashfast what the best hashfast miner to put money in RIGHT NOW, what would you suggest?  At what website?  And in the future?

Half-Fast is so shit, that cypherdouche has to troll in a competitors thread.
He's a zero member, not a hero by any stretch.
Meanwhile KnC and their shills are taking the high road in the battle between manufacturers.

While I am not happy that my KnC 1-500 miner is gimpy because of a flamed out board, I still have gear at my disposal.
I am in the minority, but I am proof that KnC makes gear. The parts that work, work like a mofo, for me.
Half-Fast has nothing that makes hashes.
Mierda.

Then, Half-fast pulls a BFL and hires some nobody cocksucker to denegrate anyone that isn't Half-Fast.

If they act like BFL in an internet forum (where there are only ideas floating about), would anyone wager that they will not do the same with people's money?

[The Avenger]

42 hours exactly (Swedish time) until all KNC pre-order units are shipped. What could go wrong?
(Edit: Rejigged to end 6pm on 15th)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309391

They obviously expect to meet the deadline they set, as they haven't given us an updated delivery schedule.

So that's fine, we'll hold them to it.

[erschiessen]

My gear was 8 days late.
No reason NOT to expect the same for the October orders.

[DeathAndTaxes]

So, the controller board won't mount on another BBB, one yet having a USB port, say for wifi?

That wasn't the issue.  

A Jupiter consists of:
1 case (easily replaced or exchanged)
1 BB (bought off the shelf)
1 custom controller board (can only be obtained from KNC or reverse engineered)
4 ASIC boards, data cables, power cables, and heatsinks (easily split into 2 smaller units)

To split a 4 board system into 2x two board systems would require 2 custom controller boards.  Getting an extra BB off the shelf is easy to do but it isn't going to do much unless you happen to have another customer controller board lying around.  If KNC had a "spare parts" website where one could buy an extra controller board then it would be very easy to reconfigure the design into multiple systems.