Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Vyper]

People is worrying about the late shipping with cause them loss.
but i think if they send you a Jupiter as they promise at the day you paid like 2 W/GH/s and 300 even 400gh/s
that is a absolutely loss for today difficulty.
so i think it is still fair even they ship late
when we look at the bfl buyer, we should be glad because KNC is not a company like that

PS : agree all ASIC companies has no customer service skills
PS : i have three  Jupiter working atm (preorder 2000 + order 250)
PS : sorry for my poor english

Well that's also true. After all most got more bang for the buck, problem is that the first people getting their KnC stuff is making diff raise higher for us left behind. Well well. 100GH for free isn't bad. And also it's not Oct 15th today either.. Think they are rushing as hell today.

[Tad3j]

People is worrying about the late shipping with cause them loss.
but i think if they send you a Jupiter as they promise at the day you paid like 2 W/GH/s and 300 even 400gh/s
that is a absolutely loss for today difficulty.
so i think it is still fair even they ship late
when we look at the bfl buyer, we should be glad because KNC is not a company like that

PS : agree all ASIC companies has no customer service skills
PS : i have three  Jupiter working atm (preorder 2000 + order 250)
PS : sorry for my poor english

Well that's also true. After all most got more bang for the buck, problem is that the first people getting their KnC stuff is making diff raise higher for us left behind. Well well. 100GH for free isn't bad. And also it's not Oct 15th today either.. Think they are rushing as hell today.

Well if you make a compare between the people who are first and later, what do you say about comparing the people who can (have money, exclude people who paid with BTC) buy ASIC miners and people who cannot afford this ?

This is our world. The money will anyway find a way, to more money

[btc_uzr]

(...)
This is our world. The money will anyway find a way, to more money

so it's ending up in rich man's pockets
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/10/09/creditsuisse-wealth-idINDEE9980ER20131009

"with the richest 10 percent owning 86 percent of the wealth"

[soy]

People is worrying about the late shipping with cause them loss.
but i think if they send you a Jupiter as they promise at the day you paid like 2 W/GH/s and 300 even 400gh/s
that is a absolutely loss for today difficulty.
so i think it is still fair even they ship late
when we look at the bfl buyer, we should be glad because KNC is not a company like that

PS : agree all ASIC companies has no customer service skills
PS : i have three  Jupiter working atm (preorder 2000 + order 250)
PS : sorry for my poor english

Well that's also true. After all most got more bang for the buck, problem is that the first people getting their KnC stuff is making diff raise higher for us left behind. Well well. 100GH for free isn't bad. And also it's not Oct 15th today either.. Think they are rushing as hell today.

Well if you make a compare between the people who are first and later, what do you say about comparing the people who can (have money, exclude people who paid with BTC) buy ASIC miners and people who cannot afford this ?

This is our world. The money will anyway find a way, to more money

An article the other day, perhaps on Hacker News, noted that the top US CEOs earn in the time it takes them to take a piss what a minimum a wage worker earns in 4 years.  So obviously over time, their income increases, more than keeps up with rising costs, while lowly workers lose.

[cognoscente]

Orama,
There is nothing that you or I can say that will change the truth.  It is what it is.  The truth is that this thread is the primary conduit for the expression and resolution of issues in the KNC community.  While OrSoc's contribution to this endeavor has been an extreme success, KNC's contributions have been almost exclusively failiures.

Some of these are:
Sam's misguided estimation that 100% of us can't find our asses with both hands.  He imagines a market for those who want a turnkey, idiot proof mining machine no matter how long it takes.  Very few of us fit that profile.
Total ignorance of repeated requests to 'just ship the boards'.  We'll join in and help make them work.  (That pesky open source thing).

Then, there are the one's he might admit:
Shipping assembled top-heavy fans despite strong warnings.
Light crushed boxes save the machine theory.
Underpromise means maintain radio silence.
Over deliver means whatever you want it to mean, subject to change at will.
The only real value that he has to sell is the asics and controller boards.  He would have nothing but elated customers if he would just sell and support them.  Forget the cases, assembly, hosting, especially the pool.  These have all created nothing but ill will.
Most of all, he doesn't realize that the people in this forum are the source of his millions.  We put him in that spot and we can take him out.

My 2 cents

[WastedLTC]

People is worrying about the late shipping with cause them loss.
but i think if they send you a Jupiter as they promise at the day you paid like 2 W/GH/s and 300 even 400gh/s
that is a absolutely loss for today difficulty.
so i think it is still fair even they ship late
when we look at the bfl buyer, we should be glad because KNC is not a company like that

PS : agree all ASIC companies has no customer service skills
PS : i have three  Jupiter working atm (preorder 2000 + order 250)
PS : sorry for my poor english

Well that's also true. After all most got more bang for the buck, problem is that the first people getting their KnC stuff is making diff raise higher for us left behind. Well well. 100GH for free isn't bad. And also it's not Oct 15th today either.. Think they are rushing as hell today.

Difficulty isn't going up that fast.  Original estimates was a 100% jump after KNC delivered but the graph only shows a slight increase over the 25-30% jumps.   I was upset when KNC did not deliver when they said and I paid an extra $4400 for hosting two units that were not hashing DAY 1.  Once KNC fixed the issue and continue to make improvements I became less upset and more appreciative to the company that has made it so far and has delivered.   I don't think you can name another ASIC company that compares.  (Not to take away from BitFury, but I just have not read much about them).  

I'm waiting for my 2nd hosted to hash above 350 and customer support said the next firmware goes out tonight or tomorrow morning.  This should fix the issue.  

Good luck.

[gnar1ta$]

still using btc guild and thinking should i change to Eligus
any idea?

idea - lets go to p2pool

Anyone mines on P2Pool?

many ones 

have i have some suggestion of P2pool? i have about 1500ghs atm

find some suggestion here - http://elizium.name/faq.html

KNC products don't work well with p2pool.  They didn't design work restarts properly, you will lose a lot of work and money.  If you have a KNC product, and want to use p2pool, contact them and ask them to fix it.

[Tad3j]

Yes, that is all true!


Our monetary system is designed to work that way in the circle of only one group of values. But! This is not with all human values, meaning, every day there is more and more people born who don't think that way. Some of them does and some of them does not!

Those who are born with values which are the same as in our monetary system, that is - expediency, methodicality, time management, punctuality, analyst, discovering connections, causes, good prediction, order and so on - those will have pretty good life and they won't need to do as much as others. They will easy gain education and will be in the center of activity. There also exists two more groups of values. The people who are born inside of those two groups, will be left behind. They will do as the first group decide, they will have to be "at that time on work, they will work as planed, they will be punished, for not respecting the rules, they will be living in the world full of rules, which create people who thinks with value from group one.

The most funny thing is, the people who are in the first group, they don't know that, they create rules only for themselves-like people

[timmmers]

Orama,
There is nothing that you or I can say that will change the truth.  It is what it is.  The truth is that this thread is the primary conduit for the expression and resolution of issues in the KNC community.  While OrSoc's contribution to this endeavor has been an extreme success, KNC's contributions have been almost exclusively failiures.

Some of these are:
Sam's misguided estimation that 100% of us can't find our asses with both hands.  He imagines a market for those who want a turnkey, idiot proof mining machine no matter how long it takes.  Very few of us fit that profile.
Total ignorance of repeated requests to 'just ship the boards'.  We'll join in and help make them work.  (That pesky open source thing).

Then, there are the one's he might admit:
Shipping assembled top-heavy fans despite strong warnings.
Light crushed boxes save the machine theory.
Underpromise means maintain radio silence.
Over deliver means whatever you want it to mean, subject to change at will.
The only real value that he has to sell is the asics and controller boards.  He would have nothing but elated customers if he would just sell and support them.  Forget the cases, assembly, hosting, especially the pool.  These have all created nothing but ill will.
Most of all, he doesn't realize that the people in this forum are the source of his millions.  We put him in that spot and we can take him out.

My 2 cents

Good 2 cents.
I imagine if they hadn't been standalone we'd have them by now.

[sickpig]

still using btc guild and thinking should i change to Eligus
any idea?

idea - lets go to p2pool

Anyone mines on P2Pool?

many ones 

have i have some suggestion of P2pool? i have about 1500ghs atm

find some suggestion here - http://elizium.name/faq.html

KNC products don't work well with p2pool.  They didn't design work restarts properly, you will lose a lot of work and money.  If you have a KNC product, and want to use p2pool, contact them and ask them to fix it.

you're referring to this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.msg3294238#msg3294238 right?

it is quite annoying also with normal pool that work with stratum. Everytime a block is found you got this on your cgminer:

Code:

 [2013-10-09 19:42:36] Stratum from pool 0 detected new block
 [2013-10-09 19:42:36] KnC running flushwork
 [2013-10-09 19:42:36] KnC: accepted by FPGA 1 works, but only 0 submitted
 [2013-10-09 19:42:36] Rejected 00815da7 Diff 506/326 KnC 0  (Job '26017' not found)

and your hashrate promptly decrease and it takes time to climb up again to normar rate.

[MrHempstock]

What's your order number Avenger?

667 - the neighbour of the beast

You gonna fast-track it Bitcoinorama, to keep me quiet?

With all those broken boards and fault chips you have lying around. Hashing at the speed of the KNC bork bork bork eruptor - 500MH/s?

No it's not, you're not a customer are you?

You don't work for them do you? Interesting how you have access to their order data.

I don't have access, but there are 4 customer service guys to the right hand side of me right now, and they do.

So you're just out to spread FUD pretending to be a customer. Nice.

And I'm gay for only having 25GH invested.

[dwdoc]

Yes, that is all true!


Our monetary system is designed to work that way in the circle of only one group of values. But! This is not with all human values, meaning, every day there is more and more people born who don't think that way. Some of them does and some of them does not!

Those who are born with values which are the same as in our monetary system, that is - expediency, methodicality, time management, punctuality, analyst, discovering connections, causes, good prediction, order and so on - those will have pretty good life and they won't need to do as much as others. They will easy gain education and will be in the center of activity. There also exists two more groups of values. The people who are born inside of those two groups, will be left behind. They will do as the first group decide, they will have to be "at that time on work, they will work as planed, they will be punished, for not respecting the rules, they will be living in the world full of rules, which create people who thinks with value from group one.

The most funny thing is, the people who are in the first group, they don't know that, they create rules only for themselves-like people

Off topic alert.

Most people are in the middle. If you have a system that rewards productivity (capitalism) then it pushes people in the middle to prosper. If you have a system that rewards laziness (socialism) then it encourages people in the middle to freeload.

[chrono030]

Orama,
There is nothing that you or I can say that will change the truth.  It is what it is.  The truth is that this thread is the primary conduit for the expression and resolution of issues in the KNC community.  While OrSoc's contribution to this endeavor has been an extreme success, KNC's contributions have been almost exclusively failiures.

Some of these are:
Sam's misguided estimation that 100% of us can't find our asses with both hands.  He imagines a market for those who want a turnkey, idiot proof mining machine no matter how long it takes.  Very few of us fit that profile.
Total ignorance of repeated requests to 'just ship the boards'.  We'll join in and help make them work.  (That pesky open source thing).

Then, there are the one's he might admit:
Shipping assembled top-heavy fans despite strong warnings.
Light crushed boxes save the machine theory.
Underpromise means maintain radio silence.
Over deliver means whatever you want it to mean, subject to change at will.
The only real value that he has to sell is the asics and controller boards.  He would have nothing but elated customers if he would just sell and support them.  Forget the cases, assembly, hosting, especially the pool.  These have all created nothing but ill will.
Most of all, he doesn't realize that the people in this forum are the source of his millions.  We put him in that spot and we can take him out.

My 2 cents

While I know this isn't the standard case, I did in fact receive my Jup on 10/4 and it has been running flawlessly ever since.  Right now, it is hashing at 540gh/s on average on bitminter.  Thats far over what I originally 'reserved' back in April...  Something like 2x the speed.  I would not hesitate to order from this company again in the future.  Mining is a zero sum game, any additional unit that is shipped results in me losing bitcoins.  Why do you think people aren't lining up to sing praise for the organization?

[cognoscente]

Orama,
There is nothing that you or I can say that will change the truth.  It is what it is.  The truth is that this thread is the primary conduit for the expression and resolution of issues in the KNC community.  While OrSoc's contribution to this endeavor has been an extreme success, KNC's contributions have been almost exclusively failiures.

Some of these are:
Sam's misguided estimation that 100% of us can't find our asses with both hands.  He imagines a market for those who want a turnkey, idiot proof mining machine no matter how long it takes.  Very few of us fit that profile.
Total ignorance of repeated requests to 'just ship the boards'.  We'll join in and help make them work.  (That pesky open source thing).

Then, there are the one's he might admit:
Shipping assembled top-heavy fans despite strong warnings.
Light crushed boxes save the machine theory.
Underpromise means maintain radio silence.
Over deliver means whatever you want it to mean, subject to change at will.
The only real value that he has to sell is the asics and controller boards.  He would have nothing but elated customers if he would just sell and support them.  Forget the cases, assembly, hosting, especially the pool.  These have all created nothing but ill will.
Most of all, he doesn't realize that the people in this forum are the source of his millions.  We put him in that spot and we can take him out.

My 2 cents

While I know this isn't the standard case, I did in fact receive my Jup on 10/4 and it has been running flawlessly ever since.  Right now, it is hashing at 540gh/s on average on bitminter.  Thats far over what I originally 'reserved' back in April...  Something like 2x the speed.  I would not hesitate to order from this company again in the future.  Mining is a zero sum game, any additional unit that is shipped results in me losing bitcoins.  Why do you think people aren't lining up to sing praise for the organization?

Thank you for asking.  I'm a little surprised that it's not obvious to you.  I would be perfectly happy to be in your shoes, but I'm not.  My hardware is sitting in a stack gathering dust while Sam et. al. feverishly work to solve all of the problems in the world.  All that I can do is sit on my hands or ask in every way imaginable that Sam just box up what he's got and SHIP IT.  I knew there would be bumps in the road, but never imagined that they would simply sit on the goods while they scratch their heads.

[Nemo1024]

Hush you, chrono030. Don't give new miners any ideas. Let Avenger do his job and protect us all from new purchases. 

[KS]

Orama,
There is nothing that you or I can say that will change the truth.  It is what it is.  The truth is that this thread is the primary conduit for the expression and resolution of issues in the KNC community.  While OrSoc's contribution to this endeavor has been an extreme success, KNC's contributions have been almost exclusively failiures.

Some of these are:
Sam's misguided estimation that 100% of us can't find our asses with both hands.  He imagines a market for those who want a turnkey, idiot proof mining machine no matter how long it takes.  Very few of us fit that profile.
Total ignorance of repeated requests to 'just ship the boards'.  We'll join in and help make them work.  (That pesky open source thing).

Then, there are the one's he might admit:
Shipping assembled top-heavy fans despite strong warnings.
Light crushed boxes save the machine theory.
Underpromise means maintain radio silence.
Over deliver means whatever you want it to mean, subject to change at will.
The only real value that he has to sell is the asics and controller boards.  He would have nothing but elated customers if he would just sell and support them.  Forget the cases, assembly, hosting, especially the pool.  These have all created nothing but ill will.
Most of all, he doesn't realize that the people in this forum are the source of his millions.  We put him in that spot and we can take him out.

My 2 cents

And there I was trying to warn ppl (over a few hundred pages) and being called a  troll...

On the bright side, you should have a miner that's 30% faster (OK, if they ever make it work consistently at 550GH/s, for everyone - even if the tardiness of delivery has very much cancelled out any speed advantage). ORSoC is having fun with their project (I wonder who owns the assembly plant), KNCMINER customers a bit less (to misquote Sam, it's a business to business contract, not a business to consumer contract, so F U).

OTOH, the ppl that complain that their miners haven't arrived yet and that difficulty is going through the roof can't really blame KNCMINER for the complete loss of revenue. No one knew what the difficulty would have looked like today and no one knows what it will look like a month from now.

[Mota]

Most people are in the middle. If you have a system that rewards productivity (capitalism) then it pushes people in the middle to prosper. If you have a system that rewards laziness (socialism) then it encourages people in the middle to freeload.

Come on, that is just not true. Capitalism does not reward productivity. Where did you learn that?
Capitalism in it's pure form maybe, but then Sozialism in it's pure form works pretty well to for everyone involved, since everyone is middleclass.

Capitalsim in reality creates inequality on a large scale. Don't trust me? Look at all countries operating under that system. Even in Germany, where we have a sort of social capitalism here are jobs that pay less than 3€ an hour, and that will not change despite you being more productive; Middleclass is the class that gets squeezed out of money the hardest since, like you mentioned, the middle class prospers. The rich are the real winners because it does not hurt them one bit to have to pay 10% more in taxes (What are 500k if you earn a Million plus Bonuses); The lower class has to pay nearly no taxes because they have nearly nothing.

You know what Capitalism creates? Old people having to work until they are 67, and people standing at festivals with garbage bags begging for your trown away beer cans so they have a little more to live.

[crumbs]

...
Off topic alert.

Most people are in the middle. If you have a system that rewards productivity greed (capitalism) then it pushes people in the middle to prosper the bottom. If you have a system that rewards laziness cooperation (socialism) then it encourages people in the middle to freeload not suck on a barrel of a gun.

FTFY.  

[Vagnavs]

they do have their own support forums. Which everybody has been real helpful. I've asked the bunch of questions and always got a good answer. I placed my order with the pre-order number of about 150 and order number of 1100. The Jupiter arrived on the 8th and has been working well. There have been some issues along the way. But they have been releasing newer firmware which has really helped with the energy usage and errors. At the same time not hurt the speed too much. I'm hashing at about 500 GH average and am using .95 firmware.

If you're not happy with your purchase, I would contact them and ask for a refund. Do not automatically file a charge back without first contacting them to resolve any issues you may have. As chargebacks can affect the merchant account negatively. It not only costs the company a chargeback fee but also it goes on your record.

[loktang1125]

still using btc guild and thinking should i change to Eligus
any idea?

idea - lets go to p2pool

Anyone mines on P2Pool?

many ones 

have i have some suggestion of P2pool? i have about 1500ghs atm

find some suggestion here - http://elizium.name/faq.html

KNC products don't work well with p2pool.  They didn't design work restarts properly, you will lose a lot of work and money.  If you have a KNC product, and want to use p2pool, contact them and ask them to fix it.

you're referring to this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.msg3294238#msg3294238 right?

it is quite annoying also with normal pool that work with stratum. Everytime a block is found you got this on your cgminer:

Code:

 [2013-10-09 19:42:36] Stratum from pool 0 detected new block
 [2013-10-09 19:42:36] KnC running flushwork
 [2013-10-09 19:42:36] KnC: accepted by FPGA 1 works, but only 0 submitted
 [2013-10-09 19:42:36] Rejected 00815da7 Diff 506/326 KnC 0  (Job '26017' not found)

and your hashrate promptly decrease and it takes time to climb up again to normar rate.

it also happen with i use btc guild
but it wasnt decrease too many work i think