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February 18, 2015, 08:12:39 PM
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Do we ever expect BTC to be above gold again?
If yes, then when?

Well, gold [as a store of value] is sorta an anachronism at this point, and Bitcoin's quickly becoming obsolete.  A race to the bottom.  But Bitcoin seems to be winning Undecided
Central banks surely didn't say their last word in terms of pushing gold further down, so I am sure we may come back to this discussion sooner than we expect.
Both assets seem to be on a verge of mining profitability with current prices, yet the constant down pressure checks whether the thin line can be moved further down. Indeed a race to the bottom.

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February 18, 2015, 08:28:47 PM
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Do we ever expect BTC to be above gold again?
If yes, then when?

Should cross at about $850  this year  :p
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February 18, 2015, 11:33:04 PM
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February 19, 2015, 06:21:15 AM
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February 19, 2015, 06:22:12 AM
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Finally capitulated and got a Trezor. Very cool.
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February 19, 2015, 06:46:52 AM
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Finally capitulated and got a Trezor. Very cool.

I think they are cool. It's just like a locked down tiny computer whose sole purpose is to keep private keys safe and sign things. The same technology that makes bitcoin security easy can be used for everything else where a private key needs to be kept secret. BitID, Password Manager app, pgp, encryption, and others. Perhaps the first "personal crypto-computer"? By having it's own secure display and a pin that can't be stolen by spyware, and with locked down firmware, you can be certain what message you are signing.

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February 19, 2015, 06:58:41 AM
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Do we ever expect BTC to be above gold again?
If yes, then when?

Don't know about we, but I expect BTC to tade above gold in 2016 (maybe even this year, but not very likely).

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February 19, 2015, 08:39:34 AM
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Do we ever expect BTC to be above gold again?
If yes, then when?

Should cross at about $850  this year  :p
don't see that happening. A short v-type break in gold towards $1000 may be in the cards, but $850 is a far off bet. Despite what many perma-bears say.
So gold-BTC cross would have to happen higher and very likely not in 2015.

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February 19, 2015, 08:43:15 AM
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Gold and silver are looking good at the moment, DXY looks toppish and EUR looks like it may recover. We'll see what happens but I have my fingers stuck order buttons with my btc. Cheesy

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February 19, 2015, 09:08:06 AM
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Gold and silver are looking good at the moment, DXY looks toppish and EUR looks like it may recover. We'll see what happens but I have my fingers stuck order buttons with my btc. Cheesy
gold and silver should hold a week or two more to give any hope for a retest of recent high (1307 in gold). taking into account historical charts (with 40+ years of data), there is still time for the upside movement until the end of April.

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February 19, 2015, 09:53:56 AM
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Gold and silver are looking good at the moment, DXY looks toppish and EUR looks like it may recover. We'll see what happens but I have my fingers stuck order buttons with my btc. Cheesy

You mean Today? It is a little bit better but in 2 weeks, Gold lost all its previous gains of the last 2 months.

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February 19, 2015, 10:29:36 AM
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Gold and silver are looking good at the moment, DXY looks toppish and EUR looks like it may recover. We'll see what happens but I have my fingers stuck order buttons with my btc. Cheesy

You mean Today? It is a little bit better but in 2 weeks, Gold lost all its previous gains of the last 2 months.
that is exactly my point. Gold failed to break 1320 level to the upside and then slipped down through all important 1250 level and MA in the 1220s area. The day before yesterday even 11 handle was seen for a moment, so that is quite a retrace from the most recent local high. As I already said the last two weeks of February are full of events that will have the influence on the gold price. Only, if gold at least holds above 1230 we may think about further move to the upside. In the opposite direction, the most important support sits at 1180 level. Breaking down there, means retesting the main low in the 1130 area once again.

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February 19, 2015, 01:01:42 PM
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Finally capitulated and got a Trezor. Very cool.

I think they are cool. It's just like a locked down tiny computer whose sole purpose is to keep private keys safe and sign things. The same technology that makes bitcoin security easy can be used for everything else where a private key needs to be kept secret. BitID, Password Manager app, pgp, encryption, and others. Perhaps the first "personal crypto-computer"? By having it's own secure display and a pin that can't be stolen by spyware, and with locked down firmware, you can be certain what message you are signing.

I can't wait to sign into a website with no password and be impossible for anyone to impersonate me! And the bonus is that websites who use key auth means there is no password to steal. All they get is the ID/public key.



I'm sure you're following Steve Gibson's SQRL  project.  There's also a Bitcoin variant of this also. 
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February 19, 2015, 02:01:38 PM
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http://newsbtc.com/2015/02/19/independent-investigators-find-fresh-details-mt-gox/
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February 19, 2015, 02:30:42 PM
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Significant short term reversal in gold fortunes overnight:

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Significant short term reversal in gold fortunes overnight:
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Well, we had exactly opposite movement  (of even bigger range) yesterday on the release of FOMC minutes. Gold is very volatile asset in the last 3+ years, and such daily swings are nothing weird, neither positive nor negative. As I wrote in this thread, I believe, we have to wait till the end of Febraury to have more clear picture on the mid-term trend, as the calendar is full of events that may affect the price of gold.

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February 19, 2015, 02:45:10 PM
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Interesting:

"Another interesting fact that caught Wizsec’s eyes was the Willy’s static nature during the Japanese sleeping hours. The Mt. Gox bot was supposed to be automatic, but as it turns out there was hardly any trading activity. This speculation multiplied the belief that the bot was actually being controlled manually — probably by Mark Karpeles."



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February 19, 2015, 04:01:17 PM
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Hive wallet is running a Bitcoin crowdfunding campaign on Lighthouse: https://mac.hivewallet.com/crowdfunding/

That's funny, cuz the CEO of Hive doesn't think Bitcoin should be valuable, nor considered money:

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I know that $1,000,000/BTC was an exit strategy for a handful of people, but there's nary a prayer of it playing out that way. We of Earth love our novelty, and I in particular find the idea of artificial digital scarcity so painfully fucking boring that I'm going to spend my time making your world view more difficult to sustain, as both a career and a hobby.

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February 19, 2015, 04:17:22 PM
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Interesting:

"Another interesting fact that caught Wizsec’s eyes was the Willy’s static nature during the Japanese sleeping hours. The Mt. Gox bot was supposed to be automatic, but as it turns out there was hardly any trading activity. This speculation multiplied the belief that the bot was actually being controlled manually — probably by Mark Karpeles."





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February 19, 2015, 04:36:34 PM
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Do we ever expect BTC to be above gold again?
If yes, then when?

Should cross at about $850  this year  :p
don't see that happening. A short v-type break in gold towards $1000 may be in the cards, but $850 is a far off bet. Despite what many perma-bears say.
So gold-BTC cross would have to happen higher and very likely not in 2015.

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