If you are new to forums you might not know the sordid history of BFL and the number of shills they once had promoting their lies and bs. It really is amazing that even today knowing what we all know as fact that some employees of that company still try to defend this company. Steer very clear of BFL products either hardware or cloud mining they are not to be trusted in any capacity with anyones money or bitcoins.

You would think he would have resolved this weeks ago. But no it continues on and on.

Update?

Better than a BFL relationship.
Better than a KNC relationship.
Better than a Technobit relationship.
Better than an AMT relationship.
Better than a Black Arrow relationship.
Better than a Bitmine relationship.
Better than an Avalon relationship.
Better than pretty much all the others.

As a Bitmain customer as well shipping was slower the machines had issues particularly the cards came loose in shipping and lost a PSU in first 2 months.
Not heard as many complaints about SPTech machines as Bitmain. But they are on par in my book where SPtech has the edge is the miner and the chip quality. Where Bitmain wins is getting units out to customers in larger quantities however they are mining them hard as in "stock" means you get what you get. Let us be honest about that at least. Every good company shipping today has issues.

The only abusive thing in the GB to me was the lack of a proper shipping date window.

As for the loss of efficiency... is it still efficient enough? Yes I think it is.
As for the loss of 6th/s back to 4.5 Th/s was that bad? Sure was but they admitted to the problem as soon as it was discovered and compensated us beyond the actually GB purchase numbers... which I think was a trade off. What is the overall loss for lifetime on the efficiency loss? Anyone calculated it?

Do I as a GB customer feel abused? No not really. Am I extremely happy? No not really. Would it stop me buying again if the price was right no not at all given the alternatives Bitmain or SPTech are both reliable sellers.

There are levels of professionalism and SPTech are doing better than all the others at this point. They are building the best miners at price points that have literally forced the entire market to lower their prices. Now does that mean they are perfect? No but you know what I would rather deal with an "abusive" company like this one vs most if not all the others.

My units arrived in August as promised. I was calculating arrival between August 20th - 25th it shipped on the 27th and arrived on the 28th. Technically not late. When I ordered from Bitmain... shipping delays took an extra day possibly 2 given it had to be shipped cross country by truck instead of being shipped to a local airport where pick up was easier, in comparison to the SP30s being 24 hours basically factory to door to mining. Again crunchy with the smooth. Bottomline I got what I paid for in reasonable time at the price point I was happy with. It could have been better but I am not going to grumble too much given that this is all a pretty big risk to even order in May for August delivery. NEVER PREORDER is the mantra. If the BTC price had remained over 600 and more difficulty didn't hurdy gurdy up the way it did then I would have been much happier. Neither is SPTechs fault. You take a chance every time you lay out coin on miners clearly you are in better hands dealing with SPTech than most. I would buy again if I could find the same discounts I received last time.

Correct. Unless you have an experienced team and enough money you shouldn't even bother.

The Bitfury 20 MW farms and those farms I posted from China below are the standard  or benchmark. The ones in China and Thailand that I know about are dirt cheap for hydro, cooling and buildings. Think big chicken coop and cheap coal or hydroelectric.

You can't compete with them as they are the same people producing and sometimes selling the miners and chips so their economies of scale per Gh/s is the best and certainly better than their own largest customers. The game you would need to play is working something on a large scale operation say with Spondoolies units and direct ship to a site you have already prepared. Get a bunch of people together and pool your 30K buy ins.

A lot less bothersome? Buy BTC or even some Altcoins and sell off when they peak and then build a farm.

No.

To be honest if you are going with that sort of volume you will need the space and you will need better efficient miners and some damn fine cooling. SPTech puts out the best units on the market currently in terms of density, ease of application but you will have to wait until mid to late October potentially. This is not a game to just drop a $100K USD at the problem and expect some great return. At this point you would be better off partnering with people and pooling a larger amount and getting the greatest possible discount on hardware you can manage.

This is the sort of thing you compete with now...

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/08/01/bitfury-asic-maker-builds-20mw-bitcoin-mining-data-center/



and



or

http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-chinese-bitcoin-mine/



Are you thinking 20 mW or more?
Do you have millions?
Who are the members of your team?
Where will you locate?

This is the playing field... you want to jump in? Get your hip waders or maybe the floaty cause the waters get deep really fast.

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https://megabigpower.com/themine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CjldZLXiAU

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1367600/bitcoin-mining-operation-earning-8-million-month.png?w=720&h=383&l=50&t=40

Just one more warning.

How low will it go?

You are welcome.

Tread carefully down the mining road it is not for the faint of heart.

Stop. Read this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504530.msg5557195#msg5557195 then continue asking questions.

Then check out my thread will help narrow down your selection of places to look for miners in bulk, which cuts through all the BS and just gives you a Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down on the various sellers of mining equipment.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=734027.msg8291788#msg8291788

That was full payment. Not placeholder payment sorry I should have clarified.

Date: 22/04/2014 10:29 is when I put in my deposit you can check that in the GB thread. Which if I am not mistaken is when the order was set for shipping the GB not on full payment as it was a non-refundable deposit and acted as placeholder. Might want to check GB rules / op for that information as well I think it was specified or at least asked about in the thread.

My best guess... you will get an email today or tomorrow... when is the weekend in Israel again?

Edit: We were only a few days off and I bought during a lull or slowing down of sales if I remember correctly can't be that many orders between you and I Stevbenson. Send another email to SALES at sptech and ask again about shipping dates. See the SPTech post on the topic.

Edit 2: 1st miner up with new FW doing solid 4.5 to 4.7 TH/s range. 2nd miner going up soon.

Hmmm ya like I posted before be best if they provide a 2 or 3 day window to narrow down when things ship. Not just a before the 31st. When I originally paid I calculated it out based on the info RoadStress and SPtech provided in the thread and it was between the 20th to 25th range given the project production numbers they quoted then. Mine shipped 27th arrived 28th. They have the skills sets to set customers with a much more specific shipping date but I suspect they want to make sure of under promise over deliver.

My feeling is you will get refund notice in before the end of August and shipping will follow rapidly. Can always ask for more compensation if you get your unit in hand post August. That is well within our rights as customers and I dare say that SPTech given their record will listen and consider such a claim with professionalism.

Sorry not going to post my TXID here. I can give you the date: Date: 03/05/2014 08:13. Hope that info helps.

When you get the compensation letter shipping letter soon follows.

Wish you speed in reception of both.

Like all of these companies they often have a central hub. DHL = http://www.dpdhl.com/en/logistics_around_us/from_our_divisions/leipzig_hub.html

Suffice to say... they probably ship faster to you via the Lepzig hub than other hubs as per their sorting system. But of course they are going to save the most money if they route packages via the "cheapest" route within their system... or you will definitely pay more for something that doesn't ship through their normal hub routes. Remember most of these companies have a limited fleet so you can't expect perfect straight line coverage. Lots of hops typical.

Note if you are in Norway... EXCELLENT direct route almost from Israel.

My S2s from China to Norway via another company was abysmal nearly 4 days? Had to drive from Oslo to southern Norway and CUSTOMS was a bear as well.

DHL ... touched down in Norway few hours ago then popped over to closer airport.

Buddy picking up the SP30's as I post. Can't wait to see them hashing today!

Pretty fast shipping have to say.


EDIT:

Order   Date   Payment    Status   Fulfillment Status    Total
#1xxx   May 03, 2014   paid           fulfilled         Wouldn't you like to know.  

Look a couple of boxes fell off the back of the truck?



Unboxed #1. Resting quietly ears sticking out.



Unboxed #1 now mining. at 17:29 WIB. Roughly 2 days from leaving SPTech.

Too bad that is not the case for some in that gb with Marto. Problems seem to be growing and growing. As is the usual pattern. More than a few people get screwed over. Then a spate of people come to the forums and defend Technobit yet there are still outstanding issues with refunds going back nearly a year as well as some dirty deals with AMT that still need to be check out. Caveat emptor on all three. Do not buy from any of them you could be become the next person with a Customers Service complaint that goes on unresolved.

There are plenty of other options out there. Steer clear of these people.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Those participating in this raffle deserve absolutely nothing other than a negative trust rating along with BFL and BFL posers.

Might be time to check into these 2 jokers and where they have pulled this before. Seems to be a well rehearsed game they are playing here. Probably pull this crap on Ebay etc to get their mining for free.

Extortionists.

Got some 'free' electricity / hosting for a few months... works out well for me.

Glad to get tracking... My SP30s on the way to Norway just as the temps start cooling off.

Thanks SPTech for getting them out the door.

Hope to be mining in a few days.

Also shout out to RoadStress thanks for putting the GB together and getting us those discounted rates!

Very smoothly handled GB and the charity was definitely a PLUS to the whole experience.